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Biden’s $20,000 Student Debt Forgiveness Order Will Trigger More Inflation Next Year

Debt Forgiveness Details

Today, the White House announced details of Biden’s Student Loan Forgiveness Plan.

  • The Department of Education will provide up to $20,000 in debt cancellation to Pell Grant recipients with loans held by the Department of Education, and up to $10,000 in debt cancellation to non-Pell Grant recipients. Borrowers are eligible for this relief if their individual income is less than $125,000 ($250,000 for married couples). 
  • To ensure a smooth transition to repayment and prevent unnecessary defaults, the pause on federal student loan repayment will be extended one final time through December 31, 2022.
  • Fixing the broken Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) program by proposing a rule that borrowers who have worked at a nonprofit, in the military, or in federal, state, tribal, or local government, receive appropriate credit toward loan forgiveness. 
  • Caps monthly payments for undergraduate loans at 5% of a borrower’s discretionary income—half of the rate that borrowers must pay now under most existing plans. This means that the average annual student loan payment will be lowered by more than $1,000 for both current and future borrowers. 
  • To further reduce the cost of college, the President will continue to fight to double the maximum Pell Grant and make community college free.
  • The Department of Education estimates that roughly 27 million [Pell Grant] borrowers will be eligible to receive up to $20,000 in relief.
  • Provide relief to up to 43 million borrowers, including cancelling the full remaining balance for roughly 20 million borrowers.
  • A typical nurse (making $77,000 a year) who is married with two kids would pay only $61 a month on their undergraduate loans, compared to the $295 they pay now under the most recent income-driven repayment plan, for annual savings of more than $2,800.

Free Money, What Can Go Wrong?

None of this free money addresses the root cause of escalating tuition costs: The loan program itself, Pell Grants, administrative costs, massive pension plans for teachers, preposterous coaching salaries, and the 2005 bankruptcy reform act by President Bush that made student debt not dischargeable in bankruptcies. 

We have another free money announcement, no strings attached, and literally nothing to address the root cause of the problem.

Future caps at 5% of a borrower’s discretionary income will encourage still higher college education costs.

Conveniently, inflation will not kick in until after the mid-term election.  

If you paid off your student loan, consider yourself a sucker. 

Two Years Early But Right on Target

What’s Going On?

Legal Challenges Coming

Expect legal challenges to this announcement. Is the president Constitutionally authorized to give away an estimated $300 billion over 10 years?

Hopefully the Supreme Court takes the challenge pronto. 

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david halte
david halte
3 years ago
Over the next year and half, the Fed’s QT of $60B per month, $720B per year, will offset Biden’s two spending proposals. The Fed’s balance sheet reduction will have net zero influence on inflation.
The $437B allocation from the Inflation Reduction Act will be spent before the 2024 election, to boost the economy. Obamacare renews this January. Not until April 2024, will 10 percent of the total taxes be collected. In the year and half, public debt will increase.
The Center for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Biden’s loan scheme will cancel $525B of student debt, including Pell grants. Taxpayer responsibility will be slightly less, because some debts were forgiven under other programs or from borrower defaults. Goldman Sachs researchers estimated the loan relief will increase the deficit by $400B in two years.
GS researchers oddly stated “the relief won’t have much of an impact on Treasury issuance, since the government has already funded those loans”. Banks and the government do not fully fund reoccurring personal loans, otherwise there would not have been the liquidity crisis, which the Fed bailed out. The administration doesn’t have a plan for funding the relief, other than it’s an opportunity for MMT.
conservativeprof
conservativeprof
3 years ago

A major point missed by critics and supporters of student loans is the amount abuse in student loans. I am talking about abuse broadly because student loan laws essentially permit abuse. Students are well aware of the ability to misuse student loan funds. Unfortunately, Congress and the Administration do not care about abuse.

The amount borrowed that a student can borrow far exceeds direct education expenses. The amount borrowed (not really borrowed) subsidizes student lifestyles. After direct education expenses, funds can be spent on anything including rent, transportation, vacations, entertainment, food, clothing, investments, gambling, drugs, … There are no stated restrictions much less enforcement. You can borrow more as you age. Older students can borrow much more than younger students.

Here are some brief examples. A friend’s daughter needed reliable transportation. She used $15,000 in excess student loans to buy a good car. One friend started a master’s degree in education in his early 50s. Although he had very little direct education expenses (as a former employee of the university his tuition was paid), he borrowed $66,000 over several years. After graduation, he could not find a permanent teaching position. He never made a single loan payment so his debt has grown to $90,000. Now on Social Security, he was told that he will have the entire debt forgiven in several years. He told me that he used the loans to pay his mortgage. Another friend borrowed $100,000 to earn a doctorate in education in her 50s. At age 59, she graduated but could only find adjunct positions with low pay and difficult work. She only made token payments so her debt is now more than $125,000.

I could provide many more stories of abuse built into the law. About 5 years ago, the WSJ published a report about student loan repayments. The report indicated that more than 50% of loans were non performing. For private loans, non performance as documented would indicate default status. This study was done several years before Covid.

The student loan program is an unbelievable mess. The law invites abuse. The law has little to no accountability. The law promotes runaway government spending. The law promotes inflationary pressures in the economy.

Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
3 years ago
Kid, I’ve seen this tactic before, ask some innocuous question that requires that the other person have perfect and instant recall of specific details in order to answer definitively. Do some of your own research. It’s available in articles by Matt Taibbi on the 2008-9 crash, or in the books of Jack Rasmus. Read them.
Here’s a sample to get you rolling:
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Wow 201 comments – can’t take the time to go through everything but it seems as if Emperor Warren is indeed going to declare a Jubilee!
Columbo
Columbo
3 years ago
I have some questions. If the payment plan is being reduced to 5% of income for an undergraduate loan, is the term of the loan being extended or is the government picking up the difference?
Secondly, how long will the legal challenges take…well past the midterms?
And, even if your going to forgive part of the loan amount, a couple making $250k doesn’t need loan forgiveness do they? Even in the highest cost cities, your doing damn well. Cut it by at least a $100 grand, the limits are too generous.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Columbo
Clearly this has more to do with not wanting to pay instead of unable to pay.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Sort of like taxes in many cases?
Cocoa
Cocoa
3 years ago
The abject sloppiness of the student loan system is amazing. You could get a loan of up to 90,000 a year for some babysitter liberal arts college. 20k is a drop in the bucket. The Dept of Ed should only approve a limit of money for a limited set of degrees. It was always an indentured servitude racket anyways. Some debt is forgiveable if you can work in public sector in areas of need. Like a Doctor in the hills of hillbilly country. Or a lawyer as a court appointed servant in underserved community. That makes sense!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Frankly, I cannot understand why students keep paying tuition for degrees that do not result in jobs at their academic level.
Having seen first hand… Students who have graduated from cooperative education programs (academics and work experience combined) have the best of both worlds. I have no hesitation in saying they are the equal, and in some cases superior, to graduates of top professional degree-granting universities. The only problem is hiring them–typically they have numerous job offers, often around the world, and with major employers. Starting salaries are usually 10-20% higher, and they are often educated at the start of the art and capable of training others.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“Today was about getting the public comfortable with eventually cancelling much more (if not the majority) of private debts. Many, many more private debts will move to the public balance sheet over the next few years”
Klaus Schwab: you will own nothing and be happy.
“The issue is never the issue. The revolution is the issue.”
KyleW
KyleW
3 years ago
Like with every other bill, this bill has winners and losers. If you have student debt, you’re a winner here. Obviously if you don’t, you’ll be paying for this through taxes and inflation.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  KyleW
Value Walk
“Some 40% of small business owners could not pay their August rent on time and in full, up 6% from July”
This is on top of some 20 million people who are apparently behind on utility bills.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
A crisis will hit “all at once”. As always.
No one likes to be first. But once the first domino falls … cascade effect.
6 months ago I guessed Labor Dayish for things to “speed up” … maybe a little early in call … but I can smell smoke …
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Not that this a ‘good thing’ to like, but knowledge of this stat is VERY concerning.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
How about we double the value of the a dollar?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  KyleW
Yes. Any student loan debt cancelled immediately reappears in federal deficit. Higher taxes + inflation for everyone else Ie. those who were dumb enough to play by the rules. Yay!
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago

In July of 2021, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said President Joe Biden does not have the executive authority to issue “debt forgiveness,” arguing that such action would be illegal and that it has “to be an act of Congress.”

“People think that the President of the United States has the power for debt forgiveness. He does not. He can postpone. He can delay. But he does not have that power. That has to be an act of Congress,” Pelosi said July 28 at a press conference.

“The President can’t do it. So that’s not even a discussion. Not everybody realizes that. But the President can only postpone, delay, but not forgive,” she added.

She also mentioned how voters would be mad about student loan “forgiveness,”appearing to question whether such a policy would be “fair.”

KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Laws don’t apply to this administration.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The precedent was set by the last one. At least there are fewer tantrums from this one.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Can you give some examples?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Pelosi changed her mind on August 24th, 2022.
Cocoa
Cocoa
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The Dept of Ed is under exec department so I am guessing they do not have to enforce collection?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
the plumbers of the nation can declare bankrutpcy and default on all their business loans from autos to tools………….let’s not be dumb here folks. student debt is nothing special. let them default if they are bankrupt. sick society that folks don’t mind screwing the youngest folks.
wmjack50
wmjack50
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
They would have to change the law for Student loans to go bankrupt—the gov. took over the loans and exempted student loans from bankruptcy I believe
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  wmjack50
Specifically, Obama took over the loans, and caused the greatest increase in tuition ever.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
When you file for bankruptcy, you got to court and prove you can’t pay. This is a blanket reduction, regardless if you can pay or not. Completely different circumstances.
Cocoa
Cocoa
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Student debt is recourse debt so they will garnish wages whenever you show up on the employment roster. Unless you work for cash and do not file
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Clearly this is a desperate attempt to not lose the house in mid terms. If republicans claim the house they may launch investigations and expose the massive corruption done by democrats. I doubt they would since they have no leadership, but, democrats don’t want to take any chance.
And expect another round of debt forgiveness prior to the 2024 elections. Trump being elected would be a disaster for democrats. Trump made a huge mistake the first time in not firing those at or near the top of all government agencies. He underestimated how the government would turn against him. He won’t make that mistake again. And DeSantis may not make the mistake either.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
imagine if Rump could not have defaulted on his loans for decades in bankruptcies. come on jack. get real.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
And your point is?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I have no problem with a student declaring bankruptcy, and I think Trump would agree.
More importantly, debt forgiveness or bankruptcy does not fix the problem.
Universities need a major wake-up call. Just as students must be responsible for their decisions, universities must be held responsible for their decisions. Fill the faculty with woke faculty, deny freedom of speech on campus, reward everything except academic performance, offer degrees without value and no employment opportunities, spend vast funds of non-academics…
It is a LONG LIST OF FAILURES in both public and private universities.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
i agree it’s political. big surprise. history of politicians buying votes is as old as dirt.
wmjack50
wmjack50
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
There are hundreds of Federal Agencies employing 3 million civil servants 90% Democrat . These agencies have evolved into their own self serving Administrative State and Branch of Government that controls the actual spending that Congress creates. They are protected from the spoils system by the civil service rules and are virtually employed for life with all the benefits. Many of their Children come into this Administrative State as they graduate from Ivy League Schools.
Trump refused to hire and fill all the opening in these agencies. Trump also through his executive order created a Schedule F which would remove any agency employee that had power to create fund or enforce agency rules out of the civil service system and would be subject to removal (firing) by the spoils system. There are 50,000 employees in this position. Biden canceled this executive order
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  wmjack50
“Biden canceled this executive order”
The Rubicon is begging to be crossed.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  wmjack50
There is a reason why mindless liberals hate history.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The abortion thing sank the republicans for this midterm. … but they still have the loyalty of the apocalyptic death cult.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
as you stated, the real story is college debts cannot be extinguished in bankruptcy. if they did NOT do this, then all this other stuff wouldn’t need to happen. makes no sense that folks cannot be forgiven debts in a bankruptcy. every other debt can. the bush crime family had no qualms about suckering our youngest pigeons to take on debt. amerika is a nation of grifters.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
The problem is student loans are non secured. If you default on a mortgage, the bank takes your home. What do they take if you default on a student loan?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
nothing. just like many other loans unsecured, and thus, defaulted in bankruptcy. simple stuff. next question.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Credit cards have absurdly high rates because of this. Do you think they should charge double digit interest on student loans?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
They almost do. It’s a pretty predatory setup.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
i have no clue what rates a lender would charge. i’m currently getting 20% for a small business loan to a friend. his rate decision. risky new start up.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Great point.
I can use my Chase credit card at McDonalds and Jamie Dimon can pump out my septic tank to recover the collateral.
Reader11
Reader11
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The law was only changed in 2005 to prevent student debt from being discharged in bankruptcy. How was the system able to function for all those decades before then? Coincidentally you might notice the explosion in useless degree programs and influx of students who had no business going to college right around, oh, 2005.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Easy. Student loans are indentured obligations.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
If you had limited your college debt to only $20,000 K or a bit above then you are a prudent borrower so you have been rewarded for your good practices. If you are in debt for much more then $20,000 off will help but you are not out of the woods by a long shot. The real kicker is limiting monthly loan repayments to 5% of a borrower’s discretionary income. Now that is revolutionary! It means that the government will be getting an additional 5% of what you make for what probably will be the rest of your working life and if by retirement the balance hadn’t been paid off then the government will take 5% of your retirement income as well which leads me to wonder if those debts will be annulled by death or will they take all or a part of what you leave for your descendants?
I worked during college to pay for it but that was at a time when that was possible. Even state schools which give a very good education are expensive enough to make that way much more difficult than before. I was fortunate enough to have been able to pay for my kids’ college 100% and they choose those stuck-up East coast schools so it cost me a lot so one could say that I was a sucker but I agreed to pay for it knowing full well that some people would game the system to pull money out of it whether they be students or college administrators. My objective was fulfilled in that my kids were able to start work without any debts. Others are not so fortunate.
From a practical point of view this will not solve the problem of colleges overcharging for their degrees because that is the real problem here and it is not as easy as that to solve. STEM students cost much more to educate than English majors for example but it does help solve the immediate problem of debt quasi-slavery many young people had fallen into. That 5% limit brings back to them a degree of financial predictability that they didn’t have till then. The 5% is the real story here. The next phase has to be to tackle the college inflationary spiral. College enrolments are down and that means colleges will have to cut something sooner of later. What will they cut?
For those who are against all debt forgiveness by principle please let me point out that if you own stocks in companies you already have government-given debt forgiveness because as a stockholder you are legally a owner of the company but you are not responsible for the debts the company takes on and if the company goes under like an Enron you are not legally responsible for those debts and nobody is going to knock on your door looking for repayment. If you want to play the debt purist then maybe you should look at what government given debt forgiveness’ you already receive but overlook because you take them for granted.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Bad decisions without consequences seems to be the only thing colleges produce these days.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
There was a small story by a columnist in our local free paper Wednesday about tuitions at local private high schools. Yes, the rich are different from you and me…
———–
Private tuitions steadily soaring
For many San Mateo County youngsters, if not most of them, the 2022-23 academic year has commenced.
Nearly 110,000 youngsters, in all forms of public and private education, are heading back to their classes. For the majority of pupils, learning is free. For the rest in nonpublic entities, not so much. For most of them, inflation never stops.
So, not surprisingly, the trajectory of tuition costs for private and parochial schools has been steadily rising throughout the county. It’s a fiscal reality along the pricey Peninsula.
The affluence abounding in many of the precincts in our high-tech/biotech bubble, where some of the nation’s more expensive ZIP codes exist, is staggering.
Private school tuitions reflect that reality, and then some. A few of them have been climbing toward the $60,000 figure for years. That number appears to be inevitable. And soon.
Here are the listed current tuition/fee rates for the five most expensive high schools in the county, based on their websites:

Nueva, $57,450-$59,750 (based on grade level);
Crystal Springs Uplands, $56,620;
Woodside Priory, $56,040;
Menlo, $55,900; and
Sacred Heart Prep, $50,220.
It’s worth noting that a boarding pupil at Woodside Priory will be charged a total of $81,240 in 2022-23. That daunting number includes tuition, fees, room, board and all other add-ons for the full academic year. The comparable undergraduate cost at Stanford University is $77,034.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Not fair! Can I get my $7k I paid in tuition 45 years ago reimbursed?
Reader11
Reader11
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
A quick look at an inflation calculator shows $7k 45 years ago is almost $40k today. Thanks for that massive inflation by the way.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reducing household debt is deflationary. Falling households assets – like real estate, stocks and bonds – is deflationary. State colleges provide
employment. It’s a big business. Budget deficit will force states to cut high education funding before anything else.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
interesting take. i need to contemplate.
RedQueenRace
RedQueenRace
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Reducing household debt by REPAYING loans is deflationary as money is destroyed by the amount of principal paid.
Not so with forgiveness of student debt. Nothing happens to the money supply and dollars that otherwise would be directed to debt service are freed up for consumption.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Greggg
He can declare an emergency like his predecessor did for that moronic, unfinished wall.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
It seems the only people ripping off the students are the colleges. Education has outstripped inflation for years. Most people in academia could not get as cushy jobs elsewhere.
Agave
Agave
3 years ago
Hey, the crime boss trump declared bankruptcy SIX times (how’s that for forgiving debt, while student borrowers AREN’T ALLOWED TO), and he shafted hundreds of his contractors that he owed by not paying them and daring them to sue him. Knowing that they didn’t have the money to pay endless legal fees the way he did.
Bankruptcy SIX TIMES!!! Wiped out millions in debt just like that. That’s one guy. JUST. ONE. GUY.
Dark Brandon’s giving the little guy a break for a change. The people who had to pay 10 times as much for the same college education that I did, just a few decades later. Way above what the inflation rate would have calculated.
I get no personal benefit from this act, but I’m glad that the people who got hosed get at least a portion of their screwage repaid. Now they can use a little extra pocket money to benefit the economy and not just scrape by from month to month. Instead of another massive tax cut going to the wealthy oligarchs or an excessively low tax rate to multimillionaire hedge fund managers who do little more than make millions by hosing other people and shifting money around.
It used to be that states helped fund higher education to a much greater extent. All the tax cuts for the wealthy since Reagan led to massive cuts in that. An educated population that can create and produce rather than live in poverty trying to pay back huge school loads is a desirable thing. Unless you’re a right wing extremist who loves the uneducated because they can fool and control them with their nonsense propaganda and big lies.
I love it. The average guy gets a break for a change.
WE DON’T CARE WHAT THE RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS WILL SAY ABOUT THIS. WE.DO.NOT.CARE.
This lunatic SCOTUS has gotten lots of new young people angry and motivated to register to vote with its ridiculous anti-freedom, antediluvian rulings.
And just guess who they’re going to vote for, heh heh heh.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
“This lunatic SCOTUS has gotten lots of new young people angry and
motivated to register to vote with its ridiculous anti-freedom,
antediluvian rulings.”
At least the young people were not aborted by their mothers. Tomorrows young people will thank the current Supreme Court.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
100% agree. these knuckleheads who are mad, don’t get the history of debt forgiveness in modernity and ancient times.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
You don’t get it. There’s a difference between having debts extinguished due to inability to pay and having them extinguished when they can be easily paid.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
called bankruptcy court. judges decide.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
Hey, hey
Everything you say may be true, but I’m not into the fake wrestling whataboutism politics, no offense.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave

You’re gonna trigger trumpletantrums with that sort of rhetoric.

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
This should allow the Fed to keep hiking. Banks will be happy because they will have access to a larger pool of future borrowers. What could possibly go wrong?
Jackula
Jackula
3 years ago
Should simply have allowed discharge in bankruptcy and moved on…I think adding to inflation is the gonna be the more correct way to put it.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Harp III is coming in a couple years when month after month $3,000 mortgage payments plus electricity causes a huge foreclosure rates.
This time however, expect not just forbearance, but debt forgiveness.
QE infinity coming right up.
I’m a Moron. I paid off my house!
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Lets look at it from an international perspective.
Many of the US geopolitical competitors and allies have very low student tuitions. Students aren’t drowning in debt after university if at all.
Now, lets assume that wasn’t the case. They would still look at how the degrees contribute to the competitiveness of their economy.
No way would they have a blanket forgiveness for party animals who want to extend their studying years earning degress in history or gasp – economics.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reflections on Paying off Student Loans
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Corporate debt is higher than government debt or consumer debt. And corporations, especially financial corporations, keep getting bailed out, and subsidized by FED programs. Yet we hear little or nothing about them paying it back, causing inflation, devaluing the currency, or creating messes that damage the economy. Many countries have free education to the graduate level, and it’s not the parasitic mess that the enormous for-profit education system is in the US.
Was the G.I. Bill following WW2 a disaster for the US economy, or was it a boon that helped set the path for the biggest boom in US econimc history?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Bbbbbbb
What financial corporations keep getting bailed out?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Every one that only continues to exist because of cheap money.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Which ones are those?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
ever heard of the discount window? those banks are getting paid to borrow money. guess who’s paying Kid.
Yooper
Yooper
3 years ago
Seriously, though, the solution is to allow student loan discharge in bankruptcy. That whole exception was driven by the banks, and yes, all those donors in Delaware at the time. Agreed with the the time limits suggested earlier to help prevent fraud, but throwing out money is just wrong.

People screaming about oil company price gouging – where’s the outrage about schools and their padding of the pockets with useless classes?

hmk
hmk
3 years ago
This loan forgiveness is only for federal student loans. What is the breakdown of the percentages of students with private loans vs federal loans.
hmk
hmk
3 years ago
Reply to  hmk
per google 92% federal. So the 8% can just go f themselves. Perfect. These aholes are doing all they can to ruin the country. Its like they are doing this crap on purpose. They know its wrong.
Curious Cat
Curious Cat
3 years ago
If SCOTUS kills the program expect another flood of democratic votes.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Curious Cat
People with student debt are a small pct of the population. I think it’s less than 20%.
TLinFL
TLinFL
3 years ago
Republicans should propose bankruptcy reform for student loans and let the democrats shoot it down
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  TLinFL
Well, that is kinda like saying the DONORcrats should propose single-payer health insurance and let the Republicans shoot it down.

Fuggedaboutit! Won’t happen when BOTH the parties are owned by big corps.

Reader11
Reader11
3 years ago
Reply to  TLinFL
The bankers who buy politicians are non-partisan.
goldguy
goldguy
3 years ago
The people that paid once will be paying twice, think 🤔 about that
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
have worked at a nonprofit, in the military, or in federal, state, tribal, or local government
Short form: “Democrats”.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Huh? I thought libertarians run a lot of these non-profit charities. Which is why they tell people to go to those when they need any help.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Would be interesting to run the numbers on non-profs. Church-run orgs might factor in there, too, even excepting the church, itself, which isn’t what people normally think of when thinking non-prof.
Military is traditionally Repub. But that may be changing as the parties re-align.
It’ll be interesting in 2024 to look at the employment info on those who go to the party national conventions.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Military is mostly Republicans.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Used to be true. Not any more.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago

Austin, Milly and that Rear Admiral?

Reader11
Reader11
3 years ago
Not since 2008 when the mass purges began. That’s why our military is no longer feared by anyone.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Reader11
if your still hung up on D v R, you have been HAD. the us military has NOT won a just war since ww2. grenada was a rare win since then, and a joke and unjust. just a diversion after Raygun retreated out of lebanon after beirut marine corp barracks bombings. raygun was a great huckster and waved a white flag in reality, but invade grenada to pick up the spirits of the military who was humiliated. i am pissed our military has been wasted on losing wars from indochina to afghanistan. a waste of blood of our fellow citizens and other humans, and waste of trillions of treasure.
goldguy
goldguy
3 years ago
It’s fraud, coming from Biden, what would one expect?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
“I bought a $50,000 pickup truck and can’t pay the loan. Help me!”
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
This is a discriminatory giveaway, grossly benefitting a minority (1/6th) of Amercans at the expense of the majority. No way in hell the Supreme Court can rubber stamp this. It takes “taxation without representation” to a new level. And on top of this, the most money goes to those who got tens of thousands of dollars free through Pell grants, adding insult to injury for the 5/6th of the population paying for this, who got nothing but the bill.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Maybe, but by the time this goes to the SC, it may have already been enacted.
inonothing
inonothing
3 years ago
I could really use a $20k free loan right about now.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
30Y of Ukraine democracy. Today Putin struck Ukraine. The Cossacks are fiercely independent people, excellent soldiers like the Nepalese Gurkha in The British army. They served the white army. After the Bolshevik won in 1918 they suffered starvation. Today Putin struck the heart of the Cossacks region again….
Reader11
Reader11
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Sorry, go sell that bullshit somewhere else, people here aren’t buying it any more.
inonothing
inonothing
3 years ago
Hey, Biden, I want $20,000 too.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
I always said: democracy is the best system, except all other systems.
MarcSaver
MarcSaver
3 years ago

Forgiving or canceling Debt is Debt Destruction, which is Deflationary.

8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reply to  MarcSaver
yes!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  MarcSaver
No, if they don’t pay the gov’t loans, they’ll have more to spend. Inflationary.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  MarcSaver
“Forgiving or canceling Debt is Debt Destruction, which is Deflationary.”
Absurd
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Six percent x $1.6T = $100B
To prevent Cossacks rebellion in 2022.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Cash for Flunkers
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago

Cash for Clunkers

8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Before the poor and the lower middle class rise on an oppressive gov, give them puppuchino in order to collect $1.7T minus $100B
regressive student loans jubilee, UP to $10K or $20K, UP to $120K income, down on them with IRS agents, after Nov election.
Higher interest and penalties on $1.6T will cost them more.
billybobjr
billybobjr
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Yea , we can hopefully supply them with Starbuck gift cards that will keep them happy for a while .
Naphtali
Naphtali
3 years ago
Using the taxpayers to fund the November election sweetening for the Democrats. More credit (or credit forgiveness) = more inflation.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali
I wonder if he’ll insist on his signature being on the checks like his predecessor did.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
This won’t involve the gov’t sending checks.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali
Doesn’t make sense though.
If you meet a women in a bar and take her home, do you then buy her dinner the next day? Doubtful since you already got what you wanted. On the other hand if she says take me for dinner tomorrow and then I’ll spend the night you’ll likely take her for dinner the next day.
So if you wanted election sweetening, you need to put it out there that you’ll can do the debt reduction after the election if you still hold the house and senate.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
I hope it’s challenged and struck down quickly by the court.
Just randomly forgiving 10 or 20K is putting a band aid on the problem. Any forgiveness needs to come with an overhaul to the entire system and be approved by Congress/Senate.
My proposal in a prior thread is that instead of forgiving 10/20K for only some people is to:
1) Set the interest rate on government student loans being set to 0%
for all government student loans so no one sinks further into student
loan debt.
2) To balance this, all future tax returns
(assuming you get any) are immediately applied to your loans until paid
in full so if someone decides to never pay, they can also never get a
tax return. The government gets a first rights lien against the person
so if they never pay, when they die, the government gets first crack at
their estate.
3) The government exits the student loan
business over the course of say the next 5 or 10 years. During that time
they are allowed to make decreasing amounts of loans each year till it
reaches 0 (so if this year they make 50 billion, next year 40, then 30,
then 20, then 10, then 0).
4) Change the bankruptcy code to make it
dischargeable. To prevent abuse (ie declaring
bankruptcy right after graduation) they’d need a simple rule that such
loans can’t be discharged for 10 years after graduation. That encourages
legit repayment of the loans and means you can’t get rid of them for at
least 10 years.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
For a libertarian blog, I see the word “government” in your solution far too many times.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Nobody with a mental age over 16 thinks libertarianism is viable. Been there, done that.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Libertarianism is a tendency, and a valuable one. It doesn’t work well as a governing philosophy. Neither does socialism, but the Dems are full socialists.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
small local government can work. see switzerland. see USA 100 years ago. libertarians like myself are called classical liberals in EU. i vote in EU and USA. it’s not dumb. it’s brilliant.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Maybe that’s b/c it’s govt behavior which needs to be modified.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I think it is brilliant. I proposed 1 and 4 before. I would do #3 much faster (4-5 years) and I never thought about #2 before but endorse it.
Need more points (minimum payment amount) and liability on universities for BS degrees and promises.
That college skin in the game period needs to be faster. 6 years instead of 10 might help. Otherwise hard to put into words. Care to take a stab at those?
I will write these ideas up and credit my readers.
Ahab commented and I agree
Universities and colleges receiving student loan funds become the guarantor for the full amount of the loan. Simply by holding a university financially responsible for what it produces will improve quality.
Need to stop fraudulent bankruptcies as well.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Isn’t there already a minimum payment amount now on government student loans? With interest rate at 0, even a small payment gradually reduces the balance over your lifetime with the lien on the persons estate getting what ever else is unpaid (unless they die dead broke).
As far as college skin in the game, there are 2 parts here:
1) Private for profit schools (Harvard, Yale, University of Phoenix etc) should be expected to make the loans themselves (this essentially guaranteeing them as you, me and many others would like) from their endowments (Harvard has over 100 billion, most schools have a few hundred million which can start the loan process in 5 years time given the head start). This is essentially the model that normal businesses use (GMAC for example financing GM cars, or your local appliance store extending credit to buy big ticket items) so there are plenty of risk models out there to draw on for universities. They can for example demand parents co-sign or whatever else they need since they are private for profit schools.
2) State schools (Florida State, Penn State etc) which are owned and run by the state governments. In theory they are already subsidizing the costs (lower tuition at state vs private school) of attending them. If they have to make guaranteed loans on top of that, it means that essentially what’s happening at the federal level with student loans would just happen at the state level and that’s why we are trying to get rid of. So I don’t think the state schools can 100% guarantee all the loans. That means the loans have to come from banks / other private entities and those loans will work essentially like the private school loans above only done by banks instead of the school itself. To get some skin in the game the State schools could still be required to underwrite some percentage of those loans but that’s going to be tricky to figure out how much given they are subsidizing costs of tuition already.
Useless degrees and promises would disappear really quickly from private schools given they have to do the loans themselves. State schools don’t have to care quite as much since they aren’t 100% on the hook but you know banks and private businesses making loans would quickly stop loaning money for useless degrees if they were being discharged 10 years later in bankruptcy.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
If government no longer gives loans in 6 years then all other points become irrelevant.
Reader11
Reader11
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
It seems too easy to just adjust your withholding so there won’t be any tax refund. Everybody should already be doing this since it makes no sense to be giving an interest-free loan to the gov’t.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Reader11
The unpaid loan stays forever on your credit report etc dragging down your score making all credit including mortgages more expensive for your whole life!
Then consider the first lien against your estate when you die and imagine the affect of that on your mortgage / business or anything else you want to own.
The idea is to encourage people to pay down the loan that’s why tax refunds taken automatically.
jhrodd
jhrodd
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Do you mean “tax refund” not tax return? Aren’t these college educated people? Only an idiot gets a tax refund, that’s an interest free loan to the Government.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  jhrodd
Yeah I meant refund, not return – LOL.
You’d be surprised how many get refunds (esp lower income who get deducted automatically by paycheck but get 100% back every year). Lots of people use it as a yearly savings method so they get a check for a few K in April. There is a reason that tax refund season is the primary time people buy cars and other big ticket items.
jhrodd
jhrodd
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
You only have to pay estimated tax equal to 90% of your final tax bill or an amount equal to your prior year tax liability to avoid any penalty. I consider it a personal failure to get a tax refund.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  jhrodd
That’s you. But the average wage slave just puts down his deductions when he fills out the withholding paperwork at their job and then at the end of the year they do their taxes online in under 5 minutes when all you have is a W2.
If you have a low income (say <30K) and have kids (or a spouse) you’ll get pretty much 100% back of what you paid in because of all the deductions and credits etc. There is no way to have your job withhold ZERO dollars from your paycheck. These are the people with student loan debt.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
In #2, do you mean by “tax returns” money that people who over-pay taxes during the year get back in April? If so, this seems like a real goodies payout to tax professionals. Are tax professionals mostly of one political party?
Anyway, with all these proposals, you gotta look at the long term effect. Impressionable youth are not the people you want to train to think of taxes as being things to avoid by hook or by crook.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Not sure how this is a payout to tax pros. What do they get out of it?
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Work. I’m thinking any extra complexity in the tax code helps make work.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
1) Good that you no longer pay for interest but if you go to point 3) then students will be back to paying interest in a few years this time from private banks so we are back to pre-2010 days when the loans were given via banks.
4) If the government in 5-10 years is out of the student loan business then they will have to go to banks for a loan and if the bankruptcy code makes it much easier to escape the student loan debt then the banks will take that additional risk into account and charge a much high interest rate for loans. The result would be that they would end up loaning money only to those who can provide parental guarantees for example. Those who can’t provide that guarantee would be paying a much higher interest rate because it would be an unsecured loan. It would be a return to a pre-WW II system of college education. Basically you needed have the bucks to go to college. The GI Bill changed that and helped a lot to keep us on top.
A better way is to break the positive feedback loop on both ends. Obviously we do need to have a lot of well educated students. That education is expensive especially in the STEM majors. Looking at the figures the inflation in education doesn’t come from professor salaries or investment in equipment directly tied to education but the inflation comes from the vast increase in administrative functions plus equipment that has nothing to do with education itself. That is the elephant in the room.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You are correct about 1 & 4. The whole idea is to get the government entirely out of the loan business which it should never ever have been in.
Private businesses loan money all the time to customers here in America. TV, Radio and print ads are full of loan offers from furniture stores, appliance stores etc where you can finance furniture, appliances etc. The private schools themselves should be doing the loaning from endowments (they have millions and billions). There are lots of risk models available now that show how much interest to charge and how much co-signing needed and so on and what the failure rate to repay is (which for those businesses is a write-off since you don’t repo a mattress).
State schools (the public ones) can rely on banks as you noted. Yes, rates will be higher and maybe you need a co-signer. This will drive down prices of college or reduce the number of people going or get more people on the GI bill or working for a couple years to pay for going to college etc.
The whole reason costs have skyrocketed is because governments handed out loans to anyone and schools were happy to charge ever more money and rake it in.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Private businesses do loan money for things they can repossess if the monthly payments are not met but you cannot repossess an education which makes making those loans already riskier than making car loans. Student loans are more in the category of unsecured infrastructure loans where if the project succeeds you get your money back with interest but if it fails you lose your money.
Now if only banks make the loans then put yourself in the loan officer’s shoes. You have two kids that want to borrow for school. One has great grades but no collateral nor someone who can co-sign and you have another who has mediocre grades but has collateral and good co-signers. Since your job depends on you not making the bank take a loss you would choose the mediocre one over the smart one simply because you do not want to risk losing your job and your job is to make money for the bank and not to give a smart student a chance neither make loans that would improve society as a whole. State schools were one of the first things new states set up when they became states precisely for the reason that they knew that banks do not, never did and never will look beyond their own very narrow interests and are therefore not the proper conduit to do things that will benefit society as a whole. It’s the New England Puritan influence that took that thinking to the new states in the North. In the Pre-Civil South they had the more pure Libertarian view on education which is what you are proposing. The result in this case would be education for those with money but since that education depends on who has the money for it and not on worth we would end up as the old South did with less educated and those who are educated being not the sharpest but the most arrogant. My philosophy tends toward the New England Puritan style rather than the Southern planter style.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
It would be a big improvement, but it will never happen. Universities are huge democratic donors. No way the dems would do anything to stop their gravy train.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Just a quick research shows that the monthly payment on a student loan for 20,000, 20 years, at 6 percent is $143.29 a month. It is really not a big payment for the so called perceived benefits. These same people who complain about student loan costs, will also be the same people who will drive up other loan amounts, and their financial position will be no better off.
Mathew 12 double dot 43-45
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then
he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when
he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then
goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than
himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that
man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked
generation.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Could you please explain because I really don’t understand this?
Why dry places? If the unclean spirit is gone, and the poor guy is tired, why does he findeth none? Then, the poor bugger goes home, “and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished..” Seriously? This is important enough to quote? Garnished why? With what? Why is housekeeping so important?
Moving right along… he goeths and takeths seven other spirits… But Mathew (sic) just said the unclean spirit is ‘gone out’. Did it come back? Why are there seven more wicked? Not six. or eight?…
To be honest, green science is more believable.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
It is a parable. He that has ears let him hear.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Nonsensical writing is now parable! No wonder I am a climate denier.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Jesus was referring to the spiritual condition of the heart, and wanting the heart to tabernacle with the Almighty and not remain vacant. We are not to say all is well because we got rid of one offense, but also to have a change of heart.
The same could apply to finances. When someone is a terrible steward of money, they can have one loan discharged and seven more will take it’s place, and the last state of their finances will be worse than the first.
inonothing
inonothing
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
I don’t think Jesus was talking about student loans. He was probably referring to ICBMs and the nuclear arms race.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
I’m fine with the Bible, or a lot of it. But it’s not a blueprint for government.
Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
20 years is a long time to pay for a student loan, is that the going term these days?
I suppose at one time 30 years for a home loan or 7 years for a car loan were hard to believe.
Call_Me_Al
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
It is what it is. Some people pay in 10 years. Many collegiate types have bought new cars; cars are $30k and depreciate in value; yet these same people claim to be a victim for having financed a $30k education which should appreciate in value.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
There is a simple solution to falling academic standards, students who cannot get jobs to repay their loan obligations, and ever-increasing tuition bills.
Universities and colleges receiving student loan funds become the guarantor for the full amount of the loan. Simply by holding a university financially responsible for what it produces will improve quality.
If a university wants to accept students with substandard qualifications (and a low probability of graduation), it must do so on the back of its other students.
If a university wants to offer a degree in ‘gender alternatives’ (with few job opportunities) it does so on the back of its other degrees.
If a university wants to hire woke faculty….
If a university wants to pass its poor decisions on students by increasing tuition, students go elsewhere….
You get the idea.
Naphtali
Naphtali
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Perhaps a better solution in this so-called time of democracy would be for the voting public to establish pay grades, maximum remuneration and benefits through the ballot box. To have government employees decide these things has been a total disaster.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali
Democracy and capitalism go hand in hand. You get to decide what is best for you by voting with your purse. However, it requires responsibility and accountability. Holding a university financially accountable for its decisions is the best way to fix the ‘total disaster’.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab

… you can’t vote with your purse of monopolies exist.

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
What’s fun about this suggestion is that it requires nothing to be done. Putting schools on the hook effectively makes them the loaner. And already, schools can sell their product on timed payments as well as any car dealership or jewelry store can.
Reader11
Reader11
3 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
The problem with this is that most universities are already state institutions funded by taxpayers. You will always be made to accept less so long as they can take your money for themselves.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
The reason “forgiveness” even exists or is being asked is because the bankruptcy code was changed years ago. Before the code was changed, if people were hopelessly unable to ever repay the loan, a bankruptcy judge would discharge the loans. The banksters got together with the politicians to make borrowers debt slaves. People warned that this would snowball into a huge problem at some point when the code was changed but greed speaks louder than reason and here we are…
The simplest solution is to allow borrowers to file bankruptcy and discharge the loans through the bankruptcy court. This would also make banks be more prudent lending money out.
billybobjr
billybobjr
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Not going to happen the liberals get major support and money from the universities . Professors make 200 k for 20
hours of work they get major taxpayer grants and a lot of the dems donations come from the teachers unions and college universities
faculty ect. A 4 year degree could be nearly free if we wanted it to with technology the way it is but the politicians would
lose big time and that’s why it won’t change .
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
Those $200K 20-hour professor getting major grants often do crucial research that benefits society.
Yes, courses can be given en masse using technology. MIT offers some for free, no degrees that I know of. However, the U of Southern New Hampshire offers 200 accredited degrees online.
Reader11
Reader11
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
How was all the crucial research that benefited society done before those professors were earning $200k? The largesse of the university system is a rather recent development. I would also argue that the number of awful professors in that pay category who offer nothing of substance or value far outnumber those who do and that all of this is ignoring the administration side of things where the truly obscene waste occurs. There is no reason for a college to be paying chancellors seven figure salaries yet it happens all over.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
And all this time, I thought universities were STATE entities and not federal ones. I guess all those red states really do love those liberal colleges or they love being dependent on federal money.
billybobjr
billybobjr
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
The feds are handing out loans for anybody to go to schools that distorts the cost in STATE universities Would
you loan and 18 year old 200k with the promise they would pay you back in the future with no collateral
the real possibility they could get out and declare bankruptcy . That’s why the government is in it
Banks weren’t going to do it . The feds have been responsible for the outrageous inflation in college education
just like fannie and freddie everything they get involved in they have to bail out .
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
My 4 years at a top land grant college cost $50,000 in today’s money. The price now is about three times that. All this does is continue the inflation of college costs.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I agree, the bankruptcy code needs to change to make it dischargeable. But there are 2 types of loans, government and private. Banks only make private loans and aren’t responsible for the government ones.
To prevent abuse (ie declaring bankruptcy right after graduation) they’d need a simple rule that such loans can’t be discharged for 10 years after graduation. That encourages legit repayment of the loans and means you can’t get rid of them for at least 10 years.
BTW, even with the 10 year rule, there is still no collateral for the loan, so expect rates to be VERY high and loans to be very hard to obtain (ie pretty much only for guaranteed income professions like doctors, lawyers, accountants etc).
billybobjr
billybobjr
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Who do you think made the law or requirement that the loans couldn’t be discharged in bankruptcy ?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
THIS IS THE ANSWER. mish and most of the commenters seem to not get this.
IB6
IB6
3 years ago
Expect new tuition increases and more Associate Vice Provosts for Diversity at Universities.
dwkeller
dwkeller
3 years ago
So what is the real message – how easy it will be to walk away from debt with no consequences?
How about the real elephant in the room – teacher salaries and pensions. Don’t look there Johnny.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  dwkeller
Maybe if debt were easier to walk away from, not so much would be created in the first place.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
3 years ago
Reply to  dwkeller
Hey now, I’m a teacher, and I used my salary to pay off my student loans a long time ago!
As for my pension, yes, you have an argument there…

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