Egypt proposes a comprehensive three-step plan, but there is resistance on both sides. I discuss the beauty of the proposal. 
Israeli War Cabinet Set to Consider Egyptian Proposal to End War in Gaza
The Wall Street Journal reports Israeli War Cabinet Set to Consider Egyptian Proposal to End War in Gaza
Israel’s war cabinet plans to meet on Monday night to discuss a three-step plan put forward by Egypt for ending the war in Gaza, Israeli officials said.
The deal calls for an initial pause in fighting to allow for the release of Israeli hostages including children, women and elderly in need of urgent medical attention, in exchange for the release of around 140 Palestinian prisoners. It would be followed by the formation of a transitional government for the Gaza Strip and the West Bank made up of various Palestinian factions, including Hamas.
Including Hamas in any transitional government would run up against Israel’s overarching war aim of eradicating Hamas, while the release of senior Palestinian prisoners would meet resistance from Israel’s right-wing government.
Three-Step Deal
- The first phase calls for Israel and Hamas to agree to a roughly 10-day pause in fighting, during which all civilian hostages being held in Gaza would be released in exchange for Israel releasing around 140 Palestinian prisoners.
- In the second and third phases, Israel and Hamas would negotiate the release of female Israeli soldiers, followed by male Israeli soldiers, in return for large numbers of Palestinian prisoners. Those hostage-prisoner exchanges, along with the formation of the transitional, technocratic government, pose a thicket of negotiating challenges for both sides.
- The transitional government plans would require rivals Hamas and Fatah to reconcile and work together. Once the transitional government took over, elections would be held in which Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who is 88, would be succeeded by a younger leader accepted by a majority of Palestinians.
A Starting Point
“This deal is really a victory for Hamas and it’s really difficult for me to see the Israelis agreeing to that,” said Gershon Baskin, who previously negotiated a hostage-release deal on Israel’s behalf.
Hamas’s leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, is unlikely to accept a deal that would see him relinquish power in Gaza and release Israeli hostages.
If both side genuinely dislike the deal, we have a starting point for negotiation.
It’s clear that Israel would dislike this proposal for several reasons. Does Hamas dislike the deal?
If Hamas has to give up power, and that can somehow be enforced, they probably do hate this proposal. But what’s the enforcement mechanism to keep Hamas out of power?
Meanwhile …
Evacuation Zone Problem
Israel tells Palestinians where not to be and what roads not to use, but not how to get anyplace else.
I commented on evacuation issues on December 5, in There Is No Safe Place in Gaza, But No Place for Palestinians to Go
In that post, I also commented on a December 3 WSJ article regarding “Trump’s Vision for Israeli-Palestinian Peace”
What About Trump’s Plan?
Did you even remember he had one? The Wall Street Journal writes Revive Trump’s ‘Vision’ for Israeli-Palestinian Peace
Trump Releases Mideast Peace Plan That Strongly Favors Israel
On January 28, 2020, the New York Times wrote Trump Releases Mideast Peace Plan That Strongly Favors Israel
One-State Solution
The huge problem with Trump’s proposal was that it was outrageously one sided.
“Path to a Dignified National Life”
Large portions of the West Bank would become Israel. Palestine would have no right of self-determination and no territorial rights.
Trump and Netanyahu promised a “path to a dignified national life“, whatever the hell that means.
Mr. Netanyahu agreed that Mr. Trump had devised a “realistic path to a durable peace” .
In practice, there was not a damn thing realistic about it and it was immediately rejected by the Palestinians.
No Future in One-Sided Proposals
There is no future in one-sided proposals. The beauty of the Egyptian proposal is that everyone hates it.
I do not expect Israel to accept that deal now.
However, after Hamas is weakened further, especially if Israel can take out all or most of Hamas leaders, we have a genuine starting point for discussion.
The alternative is endless war.
Merry Christmas.
“transitional government for the Gaza Strip and the West Bank made up of various Palestinian factions, including Hamas.”
This is laughable. Bibi did not purposefully martyr several thousand of his citizens only to let gaza reform under Palestinian rule of any kind, with or without Hamas. That region now belongs to the Israelis. That is what happens in war. To the victor go the spoils. It serves as an example for others not to FAFO.
Anyone who thinks Palestinians of any kind will be allowed back into Gaza is an idiot.
War is hell and when they get sick of it they will go back to there corners and lick there wounds, only to start again at a later date. stay tune folks
Most problems in the world will be solved by the implosion of USG debt.
No. The problem is that they bomb the areas where they have told people to go to.
Just saw a map in the Guardian detailing at least 300 strikes in areas where people had been told to go.
They are basically terrorizing the population to get them to leave Gaza. Despicable war criminals!
Mousa Abu Marzouk, some hamas leader worth billions, was interviewed and said, 75% of the people in the Gaza Strip are refugees” October 27, 2023).
AWRAD conducted a study of Palestinian attitudes. 75% support hamas. 89% support the mutilating, beheading, burning alive, and otherwise murdering 1200+ babies, children, teens, and adult civilians who were Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Bedouin, Druze. Hindu, and Buddhist. They also supported the raping of girls and women.
FYI: those are war crimes. So is taking hostages, torturing hostages, and murdering hostages. Launching rockets from hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, and residential areas is also a war crime. Launching rockets at civilian areas in Israel is a war crime. Stealing aid is also a war crime.
Oh, when hamas shot at civilians trying to get aid, that’s a war crime. So is shooting and killing a child who was trying to get aid.
And yet, Mish’s forum is littered with Hamas sympathizers / apologist who think the entire situation is the fault of Israel & America. Go figure?
Hopefully, Marzouk’s days are numbered as are the other 89% who think 10/7 was justified. If true, that’s just a crazy poll and shows how f’ed up the whole situation is.
There’s no negotiating with these dogs. They voted Hamas in back in 2006, so they have to live with the consequences.
Gloves off, IDF!
The Guardian isn’t biased at all. sic
The Guardian is your source? Lol. Why not just go straight to hamas for hour “news”?
How many articles has the Guardian had that condemned hamas?
Why didn’t Palestinians seek shelter in hamas’ tunnels? If the tunnels are safe enough to protect hamas and their weapons, they should be safe enough for civilians.
“How many articles has the Guardian had that condemned hamas?”
ZERO!!! It wouldn’t even occur to them to report the new unbiased.
They literally have no idea what unbiased reporting looks like.
With Hamas it makes sense to ask-Is it possible for a man to become so evil that he ceases to be human? Maybe not but Hamas is close. Hamas does not want peace at any cost. If you could transport all 8 million Jews to another place in the world and give all of Israel, the whole damn country to Hamas, this would not bring peace, satisfy Hamas. Most n the world obviously don’t understand this.
You are so far from the truth it’s hard to believe you seek it.
Hamas are less than dogs. They have no interest in recognizing Israel’s right to exist. They are a proxy of Iran, THE MOST PROLIFIC TERRORIST SUPPORTERS ON EARTH. And that’s where FJB comes in. He came into office and immediately pissed off Saudi Arabia. Now, they are turning to BRICS and have established diplomatic relations with Iran. The region was really moving towards normalizing relations with Israel, and FJB cocked it up. There’s no telling the bad that will come from the Sunni’s & Shia’s putting aside past differences to fight with Russia & China over endless scenarios that leave the US hanging out to dry. Between the no southern border, massive deficit spending, inflation, & the looming geopolitical crisis, there’s no telling what 2024 is going to bring home to roost. And for the most part, it’s all FJB’s fault.
I stand with Israel & Truthseeker. Hamas are less than pond scum.
Hasn’t Netanyahu said some pretty crappy stuff about the US? And we support that?
All of this is getting really old. I’m sure all the IRS celebrations over record collections this year are well deserved since every penny of it will be heading overseas from one bs situation to another while we rot. What a joke.
NETANYAHU, AMERICA & THE ROAD TO WAR IN GAZA
December 19, 2023 / 1h 25m
Season 2023: Episode 7
As the war in Gaza continues with devastating consequences, a major 90-minute documentary offers a sweeping examination of the critical moments leading up to this crisis over the course of the past three decades, and the pivotal role of a central player: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Starting with the Oslo peace accords and continuing through the Oct. 7 Hamas attack and the ongoing war in Gaza, the documentary draws on years of reporting and is an incisive look at the long history of failed peace efforts and violent conflict in the region — and the increasing tensions between Israel and its ally, the U.S., over the war’s catastrophic toll and what comes next.
Also premiering Dec. 19: Failure at the Fence, a groundbreaking visual investigation in collaboration with The Washington Post that features a detailed examination of how Hamas was able to breach Israel’s vaunted security barrier on Oct. 7 and carry out its attack.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/netanyahu-america-the-road-to-war-in-gaza/
PBS, yeah they’re totally unbiased. FJB probably paid them to put together this crap.
Certainly, Israel needs to get it’s crap together in terms of intelligence. And, I’m glad to see they’re relaxing their guns ownership laws. That one thing alone would have made a massive difference.
Yup, shoot the messenger because you don’t like the message. So lame.
Where is Godzilla when you really need him the most.
Fukushima finished him off. It was no accident.
Bottom line is Egypt and Jordan need to cough up some land for peace.
Wouldn’t they just see that as a concession and victory for Israeli barbarism?
Hamas doesn’t want peace. They want to destroy Israel. We’re simply marching towards a nuke going off in Tel Aviv one day. That’s the reality.
It seems like you’ve forgotten what started all of this back on 10/7, no?
Give them your house.
No, that’s not happening.
Better to carve off a piece of the bottom of Syria so they can have their “state”.
Think for yourself. Of course that’s asking a lot for some.
Jordan is 80% of historic Judea / Palestine. Israel is the other 20%. Israel needs to raze all of Gaza, making it unlivable then and force the Palestinians to move to Jordan. As you well know, Hamas, Hezbollah & Iran have no interest in peace. They want the destruction of Israel. You can’t reason or negotiate with that sort of mindset.
Don’t listen to the proganda coming out of Israel. They’ve been caught multiple times making stuff up. They capture a bunch of shop keepers, strip them down, and parade them in front of a camera saying they were Hamas. Why is Israel targeted journalists? They want to control the narrative. Israel set an unattainable goal (eliminate Hamas) and they are failing. Their real objective is to totally destroy the civilian infrastructure of Gaza so the Palestinians have nothing to return to. Their plan is to ethnically cleans Gaza and expand Israel’s borders. Oct 7 was just an excuse for their evil designs.
Judge Napolitano provides good coverage of what’s happening.
https://youtu.be/edj3anGbwyQ?si=xQ6fB_alE1nVkBqz
Judge Nap had guest a few days ago connecting dots from Taylor Swift rights and residuals to the Carlyle Group. Get Generation Idiot to rally ‘round the flag for MIC. Her Boyfriend brought to you by Pfizer!
I was a big Travis fan since Im from KC. Until the pfizer crap. Honestly I think hes just a stupid football player.
But believe random internet poster calling itself “Alex”?
Sounds like a great idea to me. What else do you with a bunch of dogs who want to destroy your entire country?
It must be nice to be psychic.
Why haven’t you condemned the call Palestinians and prohamas proPalestinian supporters to commit genocide against Israelis? Don’t they matter?
Where’s your condemnation of hamas and Palestinians ethnically cleasing Gaza of Christians? Since hamas was elected, the Christian community in Gaza had decreased by two-thirds. Don’t they matter?
On the propaganda note, have you seen the videos of civilians mourning in Gaza next to body bags, and the body bags move? What about those memorable photos of Turkey bombing the Kurds that are posted as happening in Gaza?
My ex-wife’s parents are from Lebanon. They immigrated to the US via the maternal grandfather being American (KY). They remember seeing Christians thrown off tall buildings. Radical Islam is like the physical reality of all the things society fears could go wrong with AI.
Merry Christmas, Mish, always delightful to read you.
Thanks!
Trump is the biggest stooge for Israel that has ever held the office.
But at least he wants to secure the US border and restore energy independence. These are two important national security issues.
Israel is a foreign country.
Biden calls himself a Zionist.
Kenndey calls himself “Isreal’s biggest defender”.
Trump, Obama, Clinton, and the rest are all bought and sold by Israel.
The USA loses, and Israel wins.
The whole world is watching.
Very sad indeed.
Congress has not passed major immigration reform since 1984. There have been many times when either the dems or repubs have had the majority and could have passed something. Or even compromise at any time. But neither want to because its one of the topics elections are won on. Immigration/ guns/ god/ abortion.
Look at where winning abortion got the republicans.
In the 70s during the energy crisis congress passed laws keeping oil produced in the us at home. Then came the saying fracking for American energy independence. . Well once prices started started to fall the producers got congress to allow exports. Prices rose. Oil is a global market. Even if we produced all our own oil. The price would still reflect the global price and producers would just make more profit.
I dont have a problem with immigration reform or oil to some degree. I just feel as though were all being conned.
Al Sisi problems are mounting. Before Gaza and the Suez canal Ethiopia dissected
the Nile river and completed the “Grand Renaissance” dam that provides 500MW
to 120 million Ethiopians. Egypt supports the starving Palestinians, but they might starve themselves. Al Sisi might strikes Ethiopia, before Libya, after colonizing Gaza, Israel and the west bank. Option #2 : three whore states connected by a tunnel. Option #3 : all three under an Israeli umbrella. Option #4 : eradicate the Zionist state. Starve 3M/5M Jews to death, more than in Bengal famine 1943 that killed 2 million Muslim, after Japan dissected the rice supply. Churchill didn’t care. The pro Palestinian in UK are mostly Bangladeshi.
There are no pro Palestinian protests in Syria. Bashar al Assad is worse than Bibi.
The Islamic Jihad : kill all the infidels, the Christians, the Jews and especially the Alawite. Expand Islam in the ME, Europe and the US.
Erdogan blames the Zionist state war crimes, but he is killing Kurdish people for decades.
Worst Houseguests Ever: The Palestinians
December 20, 2023
David Anderson, J.D.
“Why don’t the other Arabs take them in?” – ask many in the West about the Palestinians. After all, even the poorer Arab countries aren’t stingy accepting refugees. Egypt hosts millions, mainly from Sudan and Lebanon’s entire population currently comprises 20% Syrian refugees.
So why won’t any of the Arab states give shelter to Palestinians?
There are reasons for Palestinians being so unwanted, some historical. In 1967, after yet another Arab initiated war to destroy Israel, the “West Bank” fell under Israeli control. Palestinian fedayeen – fighters – left with their families.
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https://themoderatevoice.com/worst-houseguests-ever-the-palestinians/
All good questions. Here’s an answer. They’re infested with a bunch of Iran loving dogs who want to destroy Israel. Israel could literally raze all of Gaza, making it inhospitable. All that would happen is these Hamas terrorist dogs would go somewhere else to live, presumably the Arab areas you speak of. And then what would happen? They would continue plotting attacks against Israel which would force Israel to turn their military towards those countries.
There really is no solution to this problem. We’re simply waiting until that the day comes when Iran sets off suitcase nukes in all sorts of western cities beginning WWII.
The civil solution is to return the land, property, and businesses stolen from the native Semites of Israel who have been held in the Jewish Gaza concentration camp for seventy five years. Pay reparations for those murdered, raped, and tortured. Seventy five years late is not too soon to correct an horrific injustice.
Agreed. The end of WW2 was longer ago and still they are chasing then-18-year-olds who committed war crimes, so no reason to let the nakba age either.
Where’s your evidence the ancestors of the Palestinians ever owned land? Their word?
The British kept detailed records when they controlled the area. Their 1948 landownership records show Arabs living in the area owned 3.3% of the land allotted to Israel by the UN. Almost all the Arabs were tenants.
Check the landownership records of Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. Maybe the ancestors of Palestinians owned land there.
But if you’re giving other people’s land away, I’d like the tallest hotel in Dubai.
As we all know, the Palestinians / Arabs have said “No Deal” at least six times over the last 100 years. The Jews & Arabs lived peacefully throughout the millennia until Zionism became a big deal in the late 1800’s. Then all hell broke loose once about 50K Jews returned to Israel over the course of 40 years.
Let’s add the land area of JUST Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran & Saudi Arabia (6.395M km^2) vs Israel (21K km^2). Just those 7 countries but’s Israel at .00033 of the Arab / Persian countries land mass.
The chances of Israel agreeing to this deal is zero.
Read this article and you’ll understand why the Palestinians are in the quagmire they are today. A mass invasion that kills 1200 Israelis, takes children & babies as hostages and brutalizes many more is not “an act of defiance”. Anyone who embraces such a belief is simple-minded.
Given that, based on this article, the Palestinians will clearly never fully renounce their support of radicals and terrorists, Netanyahu MUST continue the war to its bitter end, which is what he announced that he will do today. All Palestinians must be sent to other countries, by force if necessary.
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As Israel fights to destroy Hamas, the group’s popularity surges among Palestinians
By Brian Mann | NPR
December 21, 2023
RAMALLAH, West Bank — More than two months into Israel’s war against Hamas, the militant group’s popularity among Palestinians appears to be rising dramatically.
“Hamas made the most important action against Israel since its existence,” says Nihad Abughosh, a Palestinian journalist and political analyst, who describes himself as a secular moderate.
“To me it’s something like a miracle, the 7th of October,” he tells NPR in an interview in Ramallah, in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.
The Oct. 7 attack by Hamas that Israeli officials say killed more than 1,200 people is viewed in Israel and much of the West as an act of terrorism, that included the killing of women and children. The United States has long designated Hamas a terrorist organization.
But many Palestinians view Oct. 7 very differently — as a legitimate act of defiance.
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https://www.npr.org/2023/12/21/1217758546/hamas-support-palestinians-west-bank
“Anyone who embraces such a belief is simple-minded.”
Well I embrace that belief, and would be willing to discuss it for hours to make you see the other side. Earlier in life I was actually simple-minded, being brought up with strict reformed values including the concept of “chosen ones”. And that idea of the “little God-supported David nation surrounded by Goliaths”. Knew more about the Jewish history than Dutch history at the age of 12. Took years to find out what actually happened in 1948. But hey… You’re American, right… Brainwashed since birth. Going to be tough for me I’m sure.
Don’t blame Americans. Our media is owned by Jewish billionaires and our politicians are bought and paid for by the Israeli Lobby. Most people are brought up from birth listening to extremely lopsided media. Fortunately alternative media is breaking this monopoly and other perspectives are getting through. But it’s an uphill battle. Hopefully the blant use of Jewish power and the ridiculous statements being made by media goons is waking people up to the truth.
Damn, you really hate Jews don’t you, Alex.
What gives?
He’s probably a Palestinian and is upset that his people are getting their a**es kicked. Ranting on the internet provides blood pressure relief.
He seems to hate Jews because of their wealth. Would love for Alex to unpack this a little. I’m always interested in understanding why non-Arab (assumption on my part with a name like Alex) people hate Jew money so much.
As I said, simple-minded.
Says the dumbass Dumbocrat simpleton! LOL
Lol I guess talking to Jojo is like talking to an 8-year old with a sugar rush willing to repeat “no you are naughty” until dusk.
I hope they put them up in your house and transfer the deed.
“Killed” just doesn’t capture mutilation, beheading, burning alive, shooting, raping, and taking and murdering hostages.
National Palestinan Radio strikes again.
The lunatics will fight while the children are bombed and starved, and as usual, we Americans will pay for it
50% of the population of Gaza were children under the age of 15. How is this possible in a land where the overall unemployment rate is north of 50%?
It happens because of all the free “aid” that was being shipped into Gaza daily prior to Oct 7th, over 500 truckloads EVERY SINGLE DAY and because Hamas paid woman for producing babies.
Why would a country produce an excess of children when they can only support themselves via free aid from the UN and other agencies and via camel loads of money from Arab countries like Qatar?
I haven’t come across any articles examine the reasons behind the prolificacy of Gazan children production but perhaps the eventual plan by Hamas was to produce so many Palestinians because they believed this would help them eventually overcome Israel by sheer numbers.
Regardless, there is nothing special about children. It is easy to make more.
Sex is the poor man’s opera.
Hey, at least the Palestinian women are not frigid like so many other cultures.
There are several reasons for that. People only point to the high fertility rates but never consider the non-existent healthcare system which would have provided family planning facilities. The absence of healthcare also means many people die young, which skews the average age much lower.
Also, the lack of opportunities in the open-air prison that Gaza is, results in many adults working elsewhere in the world. There is a reason why the Palestinian diaspora is one of the largest in the world in relation to the population back “home”. Many children live in one-parent families and some live with cousins because both parents are trying to earn a living in foreign countries.
As always, you continue to be delusional. You should get help with that issue. I normally won’t waste my time replying to you but to set the record straight for everyone else:
There were at least 36 working hospitals in Gaza pre-Oct 7th. The Gaza strip is only 25 miles long and 7.5 miles at its widest.
As to lack of opportunities, that is because the Gazans let Hamas steal all the money and use it to build tunnels, buy weapons and live the high life, instead of building a functional economy..
Fool, even National Pentagon Radio admits to the same things I said – https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1206479861/israel-gaza-hamas-children-population-war-palestinians
Israel controls EVERYTHING in Gaza, from how much water the Gazans get (or whether they get any water at all) and how many calories and what food items they can access to how many fishing boats they can have and on and on and on.
“Once the transitional government took over, elections would be held in which Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who is 88, would be succeeded by a younger leader accepted by a majority of Palestinians.”
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Mahmoud Abbas Must Go
Dec. 21, 2023
By Samer Sinijlawi – Mr. Sinijlawi is a political activist and chairman of the Jerusalem Development Fund.
I got into politics when I was 15, joining Fatah Youth in Jerusalem during the first intifada in 1987. Several years later, and with other young Fatah leaders, I met Mahmoud Abbas in his office in Ramallah, West Bank. He was the No. 2 in the Palestine Liberation Organization back then. He was in his 50s; we were in our 20s. Despite the age gap, we always enjoyed spending time with him. “You are tomorrow’s leaders,” he would tell us.
Today, Mr. Abbas is in his late 80s, we are in our 50s, and that tomorrow never came.
Thirty years after the Oslo Accords, the Palestinians who led the first intifada — and helped bring some of their exiled leaders back from Tunisia — feel they have been betrayed. Mr. Abbas’s leadership as president of the Palestinian Authority has failed to deliver democracy to his people, failed to keep them safe, failed to manage a viable economy and failed to ensure they can live a dignified life. Sometimes it seems as if all we get from Mr. Abbas these days is an embarrassing speech once a year at the United Nations General Assembly meetings in New York.
The Palestinian Authority’s leadership has lost its moral conviction and grown increasingly detached from what Palestinians need and want. Over the past decade, several public opinion polls have shown that between 70 percent and 90 percent of Palestinians want Mr. Abbas, who is 88, to resign. The last Palestinian elections, held in 2006, resulted in a deep political rift that left the Islamist party Hamas governing Gaza and Mr. Abbas and his Fatah party leading the authority in the West Bank. Today, most Palestinians want to choose new leaders in a free, fair and safe vote.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/opinion/palestine-leadership-war-israel.html
I worked in the West Bank and Gaza just after the Oslo Accords. The extremists on the Israeli and the Palestinian side were hellbent to torpedo a compromise solution. Sadly, the US never used its leverage to force a solution in line with US interests, and the extremists got their way until this day.
It’s not about land. It’s a religious war in which each side uses truces to prepare for the next war. Both sides understand this which is why they hate it. This the Middle East and not a civilized contract negotiation.
Not about land?
Contract negotiation?
What are you talking about?
With respect to civilized, have you ever spent any time there, compared the conduct of the people you meet to, say, an American inner city?
I have worked years in Arab countries. I was taught Arabic and learned Islam from Muslim fundamentalists back in the early ’80s so I could work with the common people more effectively. Since then I have continued working with them in business. I know more about it than most people here. What I gave is their view of Israel.
All we need to know is the Islamic radicals want to destroy Israel. And their power growers greater every day. Saudi Arabia has re-established diplomatic relations with Iran. Both of these countries are joining forced with China, Russia and at least 40 other countries to weaken the US economically & militarily. I assume you get this, but it seems like Mish attracts a lot of America / Israel haters.
This would be like the Mexican cartels having a radicalized religious conversion and wanting to destroy America.
I would hope that America would not sit back and watch our people get slaughtered like what happened to Israelis on 10/7.
Good points, Doug!
Iran has enriched uranium to 84%. They’ve gotten their bomb designs from NK who has tested their designs six times. Iran has already built nukes and has the long-range missiles to put them on. What they’re working on now is to perfect a suitcase bomb and probably already have that worked out. This means Iran has nukes and can sit back and enjoy the same nuclear ambiguity that Israel has enjoyed since the 1960s.
Any viable peace plan will involve Egypt annexing Gaza and Jordan annexing the West Bank. It would take nation to control Hamas or Hezbollah, and minimize Iran’s influence in the region. Palestineans would still get to vote for their local leaders and rebuild their homes.
That is an interesting thought. Not sure Egypt or Jordan would like the idea for many reasons. First and foremost might be that any attacks by folks in Gaza or the West Bank would be seen as attacks on Israel by Egypt or Jordan.
You do realize that Jordan is 80% of historic Judea / Palestine, right? How would Jordan and Egypt not be part of the solution? If this is one to be had, they’re literally at the center of it all.
Egypt should oversee it, not annex. I have said this many times and for many reasons.
I am glad to see Egypt stepping forward in some way here.
Agreed! But it’s not going to happen. Pie in the sky.
Endless war is the goal. It keeps the peasants occupied and focused on something other than soverign debt crisis, fraudulently propped up “markets”, double digit inflation with ZERO plans or interest in deflating prices back to 2019 levels, anger over rigged elections and ballot stuffing of tens of thousands of votes by dead people, FJB and his deadbeat sons money grift, epsteins list, ATF and FBI insane criminal actions against law abiding citizens, daily border invasion and a whole host of intentional chaos creating bullshit that elected and unelected criminals are behind
The political oligarchs, the *media* and 3% know bastille 2.0 is coming so divide, divert and distract is on the menu DAILY
I have tried to say this but your words are better put. The entire “game plan” is MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX spending. Period!
If I had a kid now, I would say “get a job in the defense industry. It’s virtually guaranteed lifetime employment”.
I agree, but Israel is very different. That should be evident when all the Jewish billionaires, who were fine with BLM burning down American cities, clamped down on any protest in support of the Palestinian cause. Israel is the Jewish oligarchs most precious pet project.
The Trump-Netanyahu plan would guarantee that Hamas and the Israeli Right remain in the driver seats with their maximalist positions, which in turn would guarantee a continued cycle of bloodshed. One more reason to hope that Trump doesn’t win the White House.
Well, it’s indeed beyond terrible that the only other practical alternative is Genocide Joe.
I would take my chance with Trump.
I wouldn’t. OK, I wish there would be an amendment that excludes persons older than 75 from running at all. But given where we are, I prefer Biden. Given their age, both Biden and Trump show their diminished cognitive skills. But Biden at least realizes it when he says something dumb. Trump is so dumb he doesn’t even notice it when he says something completely dumb.
Rest assured, Albert. 2024 will see FJB replaced with someone a whole lot younger. Time will tell with what happens with Trump.
But, here’s the key takeaway. 2024 is the last time for a while an old geezer is going to be elected president. After this, the next generation from both sides are younger.
He is bought and paid for by the Isreali lobby. Moved the embassy to Jerusalem and said he was for a one state solution. Basically giving the finger to the Palestinians.
More of a finger to the Hamas dogs.
Trump was bought and paid for by the Israeli Lobby.
Sorry added that after It appeared in my post Wasn’t added I guess nevertheless it does bear repeating
You mean like every politician is bought & paid for by some lobby, 2 or three?