Cost of Building a Home Headed Back Up as Lumber Rips Higher to Finish 2021
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2 years ago
Didn’t Biden just double down on Trump’s lumber tariffs? I am sure that’s going to show them… LOL
2 years ago
Definitely need to consider food, housing, healthcare, childcare and education costs as the bedrock of inflation estimates. All of these are really resistant to price decreases because they are domestic services, and we always want the best-of-the-best for these. While the stuff we offshore goes down in price, the services provided locally keep going up.
The issue for inflation in my mind, taking the lumber example, is that inflation should not be figured on spot price, but on the expected price after exogenous events have run their course. The expected price for next year. Good luck with that. Best we can do is trend the data, but that is backward looking. The issue is about expectations for next year.
2 years ago
Lumbar is not in CPI? Maybe just indirectly as part of some finished products?
2 years ago
Quoting Jerome Powell, “Houses are an asset.”
2 years ago
They indeed are. Especially for landlords.
Rents are on a tear and this is starting to show in CPI now. This will show up more in CPI in the next six months.
2 years ago
Owners equivalent rent is a very poor metric imho. It’s just one more way to keep inflation numbers skewed low. I know rents are going up. I own rental units and a boat storage business.
2 years ago
I own rentals as well and rents are definitely going higher.
OER may be a flawed metric but I am not sure what is a good metric. Monthly mortgage payment? What about appreciation? e.g. I lived in a home for three years and paid low mortgage because of the low APR. On top of that I made more money in appreciation on sale (after costs associated in selling) than I had paid in mortgage during the three years of ownership/residence. Should my OER (or its equivalent) be zero or negative? What happens when housing goes down in value? Housing is a mix of asset and utility for owner occupied properties. I don’t believe there is an easy way to figure this out.
2 years ago
As are socks, if people are banned from knitting new ones.
In reality, houses are a roof over ones head. The rest, is 100% pure theft. By the likes of Powell. For the benefit of idle leeches. From productive, competent people. Without any exception, whatsoever.
2 years ago
I think the real odds of a 2022 recession are easing, and unless I’m wrong about that and unemployment spikes, I think the housing market will keep climbing for some time. Not even modest interest rate increases will put out the fire. Especially not in the hot markets where the best job prospects are.
2 years ago
Agreed.
White collar salaries are on a tear. Will probably continue for some time unless the bottom falls out of the economy.
These are the folks who buy houses especially in expensive markets. Poor and lower middle class rent.
So home prices will either continue to rise in desirable locations or at best stagnate if the rates on the long end actually rise modestly.
2 years ago
The biggest reason housing hasn’t collapsed is the buyers at the top in expensive markers. Most of those buyers are not even people living in the house. Cut off that flow and housing is toast even with a normal economy. Few have ever looked at if the buyers at the top are actually doing anything with the houses they buy other than laundering money. Housing is the biggest money laundering vehicle there is. I think more of the higher end housing markets are turning into what happen in Vancouver after the Chinese government said anything above 50k in a Chinese bank will be taken by the government.
2 years ago
Biden doubled tariffs on Canadian lumber back in November . “trade war are easy to win” – good one orange man .
link to cbc.ca
Tariffs on Chinese Imports Have Accomplished Approximately Nothing .
link to reason.com
2 years ago
This is absolutely inflationary and it’s definitely going to push home prices and rents higher – it already has.
Buyers in competitive markets will just pay more if they can, and if they can’t they’ll have to stay put or rent. Either way housing is getting more expensive before it gets cheaper … Not a pretty picture
2 years ago
Agreed. Another aspect is that salaries of white collar workers is on a tear. These are the people who actually buy.
Rent is on a tear as well. This puts a lot of young people in a position of either paying high (and increasing) rents or lock a reasonable payment (30 yr fixed rate). Even if they pay a higher price for the house, they will still pay per month less than the rent and the payment will more or less remain stable.
This does hinder mobility and may hurt career growth and mobility for some.
Some will of course choose to just pay high rent which will continue to go even higher.
2 years ago
Just as falling oil causes job losses in the oil industry, rising lumber prices can cause job loses in construction. Home owners will get sticker shock and change their tune to, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
2 years ago
Plenty of profit left… what people will pay in borrowed money for it, and how much they can borrow, are the only fundamentals driving sale price.
2 years ago
Most people buy a house looking at their monthly payment. They are not really looking at the purchase price.
When and if interest rates rise significantly, it will be a shock to many that they can’t sell without taking a loss. FWIW, long term interest rates may not rise significantly for years.