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Delivery by Horse is Faster Than Delivery by Internet in Much of Germany

On Horseback in Deepest Germany

A local photographer in the town of Schmallenberg-Oberkirchen set himself the ultimate challenge of trying to send a 4.5 gigabyte data file via the internet to a printer 10km [6.2 miles] away. Rather than accepting the inevitable fate, this photographer had a brilliant idea. He organised a backup, a friend on horseback who delivered a DVD with the images to the printer. The data transfer and the horse set off at the same time. The horse arrived first. 

Germany is wealthy but it has one of the worst telecommunication infrastructures in the EU, and the absolute worst mobile telecom infrastructure. There are many places with no connectivity whatsoever.

This is why, in 2021, digitalisation is still a thing in German politics. Politicians list digital alongside green investment in their order of priorities. Germany, as a country, collectively underestimated the implications of several important technologies, such as the electric car and the mobile telephone. Most households are connected to the internet through copper cables. Only 1.4m households use fibre optic cables, compared to 5m in the UK.

When German governments auctioned off telecoms licences, they maximised revenue, rather than maximising service. Half a trillion euros of underinvestment later, horses have become competitive again.

The above amusing story is courtesy of Eurointelligence. It seems Germany needs at least parts of the US bipartisan infrastructure plan.

Can anyone tell me what decent internet service costs in Germany?

Mish

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MrGrummpy-
MrGrummpy-
4 years ago
To answer Mish’s question “Can anyone tell me what decent internet service costs in Germany?”
It’s a bit of a hit or miss depending on one’s location.  In a densely populated area the service can be much better than in less populated areas.  Prices vary considerably.   
I do note a quote from the link below:
Customer service generally sucks: Dealing with telecommunication companies in Germany is sometimes a real pain. Sometimes they hang up on you, leave you waiting for a long time, ask you to call other numbers, and it might sometimes feel that they don’t want to help you out. “
Sounds like my internet provider. 
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
I remember reading in a text book in the 80’s (Tanenbaum) that the quickest way to get your data from NY to LA is a truck load of tapes.
There will always be a data set that you can get somewhere more quickly  by surface transport.
Try uploading your multi-Terabyte NAS backup while tethered to your iPhone on a 4G connection.
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
This is a false equivalence.I could mail my next door neighbor a letter and it would take 4 days to get there.  Or, I could walk it over in less than 30 sec.  Obviously, the mail system is so slow walking has now become competitive again!

If you cherry pick data of course you’ll arrive at whatever conclusion you want. In the analogy above try creating a scenario where you are sending 5 gigs of data from Germany to Australia.  I’m pretty sure horses aren’t competitive.  It would take at least several months of fast riding, swimming, ferry riding etc, to get that horse to Australia with your data.  No, horses are not competitive with the internet.  They get tired.  They have to eat.  They have to rest.  etc.  A cable needs none of those things. 

German internet services may be slow, but if it really wasn’t competitive with horses we’d see horses delivering data.  Capitalism would guarantee that result.

thimk
thimk
4 years ago
Wasn’t Musk’s  Starlink endeavor supposed to mitigate some availability/speed  issues ?? just throwing that out there into the conversation  mix. .
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  thimk

Musk’s Starlink offers speeds of around 139.4 Mbps in
France which is quite well. It should increase as they plan to put up 12,000 satellites
in couple of years. With volume the price should decline from it’s now $99.

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
I have a 1.2Gbps fiber connection at home. My parents have a 1G FTTC connection here in Texas. Of course upload speeds are still limited. They don’t want you running a data center out of your house.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Or doing a lot of file sharing on the torrent networks 🙂
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
The key to the problem is most likely that he has a old style asymmetrical ADSL service. For example, say he has 10 Mb down, 256k Up, which used to be a normal service in the US (and probably is, in some places). Sending the file was an upload, meaning he was sending it at 256 KB. If my quick math is correct, that would take about 48 hours, assuming it didn’t get a disruption, and have to start over. Now, had he been downloading it, instead of uploading it, the file transfer would have taken a bit over an hour. 
By contrast, at my office, I have a wonderful provider, whose standard service is about $80/month for 1G up/1 G down,  and who also has unbelievable tech support, if you ever need it, with real humans answering the phone who actually know what they are doing, and who care. That’s more than I need, so I pay about $50/mo for 50mb up/50mb down. With my connection, it would take about 15 minutes. With their standard 1G service, it would send in about 45 seconds, if I did the math right. Keep in mind that to send that fast, you would also need a 1G card in your computer, and a 1G LAN inside your home or office.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
It’s exceptionally hard to get 1G sustained upload from your PC unless you have incredibly high end hardware (very fast SSD, top end CPU + 64 or more Gigs of RAM, high end LAN card, 1 Gig LAN router etc). So many potential bottlenecks including your provider throttling your bandwidth usage too.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I don’t disagree. I don’t need that speed anyway, so I only have the 50mbs service. I just ran an ookla speed test, and it came in at 53.14 down, 54.87 up, ping of 2. I’m getting every bit that I’m paying for, and a shade more. The US average is higher, at 199 down, 72 up, and latency of 24, but those tests are probably mostly run by people paying for premium connections. My connection is more than I need, and would easily beat the horse for a 4.5 GB file.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I tried the same connection from an ADSL connection on a different ISP. Ping is 77, Download 25.45, Up 1.35. The horse might beat this connection, which would take about 12 hours. And, this  is why ADSL is dead/dying.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
There are places in rural US, where you have no internet service at all…… Even in the lower 48. Ditto Spain. As for mobile connectivity in the US, coverage is far below spotty in huge areas. It will take you from now until forever, to transmit 4.5 gigs over Iridium….. I can’t imagine Germany standing out as some sort of unusually sore thumb, although North Western Europe in general is pretty spoiled for access, so it may be worse than those it likes to compare itself to. 4.5 Gigabytes worth of files, is also quite an amount of data. And 10km isn’t that far to travel, hence goes pretty quick, even by horseback.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
In France I pay 52 Euros for 500 Mb/s with no max with Orange but I live in a suburb of Paris.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
We have Spectrum now, home and office…after firing ATT after years of declining speed and lots of connectivity issues. Spectrum is only marginally better……at the office we have bandwidth issues every day just after lunch when usage is high. I have no idea what I pay.
At the lake I get by with 4G..which sucks when lots of people show up on weekends and holidays…the rest of the time it’s good. I have intended to get a land line there, but mostly because I don’t have a cell plan with unlimited data.
My impression is that our internet could be much better than it is. Parts of Austin have 5G, but not us folks out on the fringes of the burbs.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

They installed optical fiber in my neighborhood in 2016. A technician
came to our door and asked if we wanted the upgrade. I asked how much it would
cost and he said it’s the same price as we pay now but your internet would be
50 times faster. My wife said we have to think about it first. I immediately
took over and told him to take my money now. He installed the box in my home
the next day. I never had problems with Orange come to think of it but I use
them only for the home. 

WarpartySerf
WarpartySerf
4 years ago
The US has the most rip-off internet access fees in the developed world.  Spectrum went from $40 to $75 a month in 2 years – still with absolute contempt for their hostage monopoly “customers”.
USA      exceptional
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Reply to  WarpartySerf
Time to get yourself a horse
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  WarpartySerf
Spectrum routinely offers me  service in the $19-29 range. Of course, they have competition here, and if you sign with them, after a short while the rate hikes begin. I avoid them.
Marc737
Marc737
4 years ago
Around 37 dollars a month 100 mbit/s (max) copper/telekom. Or 43 dollar a month 4 G LTE (real 100 mbit/s), not everywhere and 350 gb max/month
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
In the past (and probably today also), for the post office,  sometimes the speed of a letter was the same as that of a snail.
anoop
anoop
4 years ago
the better and more pervasive the internet service is, the better and more pervasive the surveillance is. 🙂
anoop
anoop
4 years ago
if you make the data big enough, the horse  will a l w a y s  win.  even in the usa.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Hiyo, Silver, away!
Nothing and nobody beats the Lone Ranger! (Cue the William Tell Overture, like I need to say that). 
LostNOregon
LostNOregon
4 years ago
Just being fair, I had to download a 5 GB file last spring and it took over an hour. I have a 100 mbs speed connection.  It could also be throttling by your internet provider. 
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
So, millions of households with copper wire internet connections???  I see vast opportunities for AOL!
Vast.
Opportunities.
They probably still have a hundred million coasters, I mean, CDs, in boxes under peoples’ desks somewhere, ready to be mailed out. 
And I thought that old modem connection sound was gone forever. Be still my beating heart. 
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Reply to  astroboy
Seriously, in some ways those were the good old days, when there were 100K people on the web, and “150 MB of memory should be enough for anyone” as Bill Gates put it and it took 20 minutes to download a picture. Of what type, I need not say…. Good times, good times. 
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Cue the famous, old quote about the bandwidth of a car filled with mag tape.
More seriously, the US benefited for some decades having a telephone/telecommunications system far superior to the rest of the world. No more. The other people got on the deregulation train (helped by the advent of cellular and by the fear of AT&T’s various parts) and never looked back.
That said, the Euros did use their penchant for state mandates to mandate GSM for all. (And, much more recently, standards for such things as charging and USB for handsets.)
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
“Cue the famous, old quote about the bandwidth of a car filled with mag tape.”
Still true.
18TB on one LTO tape cartridge.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
18TB on a tape? Good lord, how big were the tape spools? If I recall correctly it faster, in the early 2000s, to send a couple gig on tapes, which I thought filled a couple of suitcases, via 747 to the other side of the planet, as opposed to the internet. I should be specific, these were tapes. In the late 1990s (exact year/month escapes me) a 1 gig hard drive ran two grand. But the time the paper work at my college got done for the purchase (a month, maybe?) the price was down to $1000. If I’d only known what I know now about futures and making leveraged purchases…. As I said above, good days, good days. 
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
4 years ago
Reply to  astroboy
Cartridge Dimensions: 102 x 105.4 x 21.5 mm (or in archaic terms 4x4x1 inches)
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Serious question. It was my impression that the Euro-mandated GSM standard was inferior to what won out in the US demolition derby. Wouldn’t that be a  serious handicap? It’s my understanding that the Nordic countries, and Finland (and Korea, for that matter) are far ahead of the the US telecommunications but I had the notion the rest of Europe was substantially far behind. I can well believe I’m mistaken since I’m pretty ignorant about all this…..   I’d like to hear more about this as I’m sure a lot of readers would. 
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  astroboy
Well, CDMA (a cellular standard like GSM) in the US (think Verizon) is of the underlying tech that was superior to GSM (in the US, think AT&T). Superior in the sense that modern cellular is based more on CDMA radio tech than GSM’s.
But, to put it in to perspective, in the early days, CDMA phones could not send text messages! Bi-directional texts (with the 140 character limit) were built in to GSM. But only paging was designed in to CDMS. This had an effect. A Japanese GSM-ish carrier was going broke, so they said, “Screw it, we’ll make texts free to attract customers.” A Japanese cultural quirk overloaded the carrier, so they set a low price on texts. And made money hand over fist. A German carrier, also dying, disparately copied the Japanese carrier. And suddenly were buried under money. And the rest was history. Fun times. Fun times. [ Yeah, that’s the Cliff Notes of the Cliff Notes, and in one telling the Germans were English, but it makes a good story. 🙂 ]
The Nordic countries were way ahead in cellular saturation because of the Finnish/Nordic company, Nokia, which rode to glory on the back of a “10-key” phone, one-thumb, user interface design and software. Nokia could never quite get right a graphical user interface and also missed the importance of what’s now called an “app store”. And the rest was history.

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