Demographically Sobering Thoughts on US Employment in the Next Five Years

Civilian Noninstitutional Population from BLS, projections by the CBO, chart by Mish

Civilian Noninstitutional Population (CNIP) Definition

Persons 16 years of age and older residing in the 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are not inmates of institutions (e.g., penal and mental facilities, homes for the aged), and who are not on active duty in the Armed Forces.

CNIP Chart Notes 

  • Actual numbers from the BLS for years 2000 through 2022
  • December all years
  • Total is the sum of parts which induces small but irrelevant rounding errors

CNIP Projection Detail 2021-2030

Civilian Noninstitutional Population from BLS, projections by the CBO, chart by Mish

CNIP 2023 Projected Change From 2022

  • Total: +2 Million
  • Core 25-54 Age Group: +1 Million
  • 55-64 Age Group: No Change
  • Age 65+: +2 Million

Employment Level 2000-2030 December All Years as of 2022

Employment levels from the BLS through 2022, 2023-2030 Mish projections

Employment Level Chart Notes

  • I made projections by taking the percentage of people working in each  age group in December 2022 and assumed that percentage would be relatively stable going forward.  
  • Example: In 2022, for age group 25-54, there were 101.8 million people employed. The percentage of people employed in age group 25-54 was 101.8 (Employed) / 127.32 (CNIP)  = 80.0 percent. For projections, I assumed that number will hold for all subsequent years. 
  • These percentages likely will not hold if there is an employment decline due to recession.

Employment Level and Projections 2021-2030

Employment levels from the BLS through 2022, 2023-2030 Mish projections

Employment Level and Projections Assumptions

  • No decline in employment due to recession
  • The BLS employment levels as of December 2022 are accurate
  • The BLS CNIP projections are accurate
  • The percentage of people working will be relatively constant

Based on those assumptions, I project a mere rise in total employment for the year of about 300,000. 

Looking further ahead the total employment gain from 2022 to 2030 is a mere 4.1 million in 8 years.

Does this make any sense? Yes, it does. Let’s start with a look at participation rates. 

Labor Force Participation Rates, December All Years 2022

Labor force participation rates 2000-2022 from BLS

Participation Rate Chart Notes

  • The Labor Force Participation Rate is the calculated as the labor force divided by the working-age population.
  • The Labor force is the number of people working or actively looking for work. Unemployed persons are in the labor force.
  • Participation rates have generally been declining except for age group 60-64 and 65+ (the latter declining since 2019). 
  • In December 2019, the LFPR for age group 25-54 was 82.9%. It’s 82.4% as of December 2022.

Note that in my example above, I used an employment ratio of 80.0 percent. 

The unemployment rate for age group 25-54 in December of 2022 was 2.9%. Subtracting 2.9 from 82.4 yields 79.5 nearly spot on to the slightly higher number that I used. 

To understand why employment is so stagnant, let’s hone in on the demographic reason.

Civilian Noninstitutional Population 2000-2030 Detail 

Civilian Noninstitutional Population from BLS, projections by the CBO, chart by Mish

Civilian Noninstitutional Population Detail Notes

  • The number of people age 65+ is rising rapidly 
  • The number of people age 55-64 is in decline

The above chart fully explains my stagnant employment projections.

Key Participation Rates 

  • Age 55-59: 72.7
  • Age 60-64: 58.5
  • Age 65+: 19.3

People are rapidly shifting from high participation rates to much lower ones. 

For 2023, the CBO estimates a 2023 increase in the age 65+ population of 2 million and that 2 million accounts for the total rise in population. 

Final Thoughts

There is a big difference between participation rates of 55-59 (72.7)  and 60-64 (58.5). Unfortunately the CBO did not provide that breakdown.

Similarly, there is a big difference between participation rates of 16-19 (37.0) and 20-24 (71.3). Again the CBO did not provide that breakdown. 

My employment projections through 2030 are more likely to be off in one direction or another due to those missing numbers than any of the other assumptions. 

Again, the baseline assumption is no employment losses due to a recession!

Finally, by 2030, the CBO projects the 16+ population will grow by 14 million while I project employment based off demographic trends will only rise by 4.1 million.

Importantly, of the 14 million population increase, 13 million of it will be in age group 65+.

Think about that for a second including strains on Medicare and Social Security.

Understanding the Current Discrepancy Between Jobs and Employment

Payroll and employment data from the BLS, chart by Mish

Payrolls vs Employment Since March 2022

  • Nonfarm Payrolls: +2,887,000
  • Employment Level: +916,000
  • Full Time Employment: -288,000

Full time employment is down 288,000 since March and down by 444,000 since May!

For discussion, please see December Jobs: Employment Rises by 717,000 All of Them Part Time

Also note that The BLS Reports Employment in the Second Quarter Fell By 287 Thousand

In addition the average number of hours worked is declining. 

Average Work Week Has Peaked 

Data from BLS, chart by Mish 

For discussion, please see Average Work Week Has Peaked and Total Aggregate Hours Is Rolling Over

Demographics explain the alleged “noise” in falling full time employment while job growth allegedly growing by leaps and bounds. 

Job growth, if real (which I doubt), consists of people taking second part time jobs to make ends meet.

Given my charts assume no recession (or no significant  layoffs in recession), what happens if there is one?

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JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
I’ve really been enjoying your recent in-depth articles. Thank you.
As an aside, Chris Hamilton has been reporting on the topic in this specific article for years, and has analyzed it from many different angles for those who want more.
dtj
dtj
1 year ago
There’s a startup company that promises to take care of the older demographic problem while at the same time shoring up the food supply. The company is called “Soylent Green Corp”.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Demographics tell us that a shortage of labor will continue, particularly skilled labor. This will keep upward pressure on wages, and slow economic growth.
This means more problems for SS and will result is reduced benefits in the future, though I expect changes to be modest at first.
When planning for your retirement, it is best to assume SS will be unreliable, and build your wealth to the point where you don’t need SS.
Plan now. Then you won’t need to complain later.
The most practical way to shore up SS, and solve the labor shortage, is to start bringing in as many young skilled workers as possible and to incentivize those in school to achieve the highest levels of skills and education possible.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The higher the wages the more SS taxes you pay, but the bend points in the benefits calculation ensure that benefits go up slower than wages.
Also most wages get spent which would boost the economy too. Traditionally the wages not spent would get invested and form a pool of money for new businesses or expansion of existing ones, but the Fed now just firehoses free money everywhere and has sort of short circuited that system.
As Mish has been pointing out, wages are going up slower than inflation unless you are already making minimum wage AND live in a state that indexes minimum wages to inflation. If that trend continues long enough everyone will be making minimum wage.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
“If that trend continues long enough everyone will be making minimum wage.”
Disagree.
The trend in jobs and wages has been the same for hundreds of years. Those with the talents, skills and education that are in demand will command higher wages. So professional athletes, Doctors, and Programmers will do well.
Those without will trend towards minimum wage.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Well stated
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Over 35 hours/week = full time job/1 employee. 32 hours/ week, possibly two part time jobs/ 1 employee = lower full, higher temp.
Temp tossed out of the cliff : lower full, lower temp ==> higher unemployment. The flip flop will click fast.
tractionengine
tractionengine
1 year ago
The questions behind the article are why do we have reduced participation in a labor-shortage environment and should something be done about it? From one perspective, government services are paid from either taxes (in all forms) and debt. The math is simple and the outcome inevitable. I don’t know any numbers but it seems to me that if participation is declining, and government revenue is increasing to pay for its never-ending increases in spending, then the difference is coming from somewhere. How far does elastic stretch?
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Another point is that in almost all developed countries life-spans are either static or declining. Their health systems came under great strain under Covid but the underlying weaknesses were already there. Going forward we can expect not to see that many reach great age let alone in good condition unless of course they have the considerable resources to have the best and the quickest. Most Social Security projection assume longer and longer life-spans but that may not be a reasonable assumption.
tractionengine
tractionengine
1 year ago
No worries. Deeper involvement in Ukraine and regime change in Russia, Iran and China will add millions to the military & industrial payrolls to soak up the idle masses from the streets. Freedom and democracy for all! We have a huge hammer; time to bang some nails. Gotta keep my SS. coming. /s
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
The labor shortage will continue and probably get worse even with the high immigration that we have. The most salient point is that it is creating upward pressure in the low-wage sector leading to them getting a bigger part of the pie first of all and simultaneously increasing the size of the pie itself. That will help to fill the Social Security coffers if and only if the trend continues. The trend will likely continue because the demographics are already baked in.
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
1 year ago
Interesting no discussion of immigration which has long been a population source. It seems, now is the time to embrace immigration. While the situation at the border is a crisis, we have lost sight of the amazing energy immigrants can bring to this country. And entrepreneurial spirit they bring.
Mac Timred
Mac Timred
1 year ago
Reply to  Greenmountain
Not a fan of current crazy uncontrolled immigration but absolutely correct on all points. May well be the driver politically while the labor shortage and labor cost aspect keeps Chamber of Commerce on board.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
The prime age 25-54 is the most important parameter on the chart. It’s moving up, but real wages and the average hours/week
are moving down. More prime age for less. Old dentists, accountants, lawyers and other old small businesses owners are losing customers
because they are old, cannot get new younger ones and because of covid. After burning capital they just close and move on. After the recession Gen Z will takeover. They are much better technically, though they look different…
lamlawindy
lamlawindy
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
I’m an Xer, and “just do it” was our motto. We didn’t (don’t) really care too much about social convention. We like to do stuff our own way. If a system gets in our way, we just try to go around it. After all, we often didn’t have adults around to yell us what to do.
As the parent of 3 Gen Z kids (small sample size, I know), I question your premise that “Gen Z will take over.” Overall, my kids & their friends were more rule-abiding. They were more risk-averse. Any generation has outliers, and I know that Gen Z will produce its own Edisons and Musks, but — per capita — I see a lot more “playing it safe” from my kids’ generation.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  lamlawindy
After all we didn’t have adults around to tell us what to do. Gen Z aren’t hippies or Krishna. They will become more conservative after the
dbl recessions. They will pay 25-33 cents/dollar. Gen Z will own immigrant slaves
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  lamlawindy
I’ve noticed that kids are a lot kinder that they were when I was one. They go out of their way to include the ones that would have been considered freaks to torment in the past. They’re also agoraphobic. They haven’t walked to school, or ridden the bus, and you never see them roaming around on bikes. Took my nephew and his friends hiking, and they all started getting really anxious about a mile into the woods. They were wanting to go back until I showed them I was carrying….and for the rest of the hike the little monsters were trying to find critters for me to shoot. The old bloodlust is still under there.
Avery
Avery
1 year ago
I’m not Tom Brokaw, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once – The Silents are between the Greatest and the Boomers. The Xers came after the Boomers. They are the most interesting, they were the latch key generation, no parents or grandparents at home.
MikeC711
MikeC711
1 year ago
Lots of comments place the blame on Boomers and the Silent generation (I believe born 1961 to 64 which includes me). Look at the most activist folks in DC who are leaning the most socialist and they tend to be Bernie, Liz, and then a bunch of Millenials. So I believe it is going to get worse and there will be adequate blame to place on all generations. The fact that Boomers worked their axx off and saved money is not something we should hold against them (in % of wealth).
Question though … as the gov’t generates some of this core info … folks who have lost jobs and end up taking multiple part time jobs … do they skew employment #s (ie: 2 people unemployed, 1 person w/3 part time jobs … can that look like 3 people all employed?)?
Second question … I retired a few years ago from my W2 job (big corporation) and have continued to operate my SubChapter S corp which I set up many years ago. I buy trashed houses, rehab them, and rent them out (although new law will make that less appealing soon). Do these #s show me as employed? My taxes are joint with wife and they include SubChapter S revenue and expenses. Wondering how I show up. Did I show up as 2 jobs before (would be legit as I worked 50+ for corporate America and 20+ on my business) and 1 job now … or 1 job before and 0 jobs now … or something different. Having recently bit off more than I realized … I have been working 6 to 7 days a week for the past 7 months … so I certainly feel like I’m working at least one job.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeC711
“The fact that Boomers worked their axx off and saved money is not something we should hold against them (in % of wealth).”
202k is the average retirement savings among the boomers, after the largest stock market and housing runups in history.
So maybe they didn’t work and save quite so much as you think.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Is the $202k cash? Or inclusive of the equity in real estate and stocks?
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeC711
A person working two part-time jobs that total 35 hour or more is considered working full time.
But employment = 1
Employed can only be 0 or 1
Not employed and unemployed are NOT the same thing.
jhrodd
jhrodd
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
On the island where I live I would guess that at least 25% of the commerce is “off the books”. I don’t think we’re unique. I’ve also been self employed all my life, some years I have taxable income, some years I don’t, but I always make money. Sometimes accelerated depreciation zeros out my income, am I unemployed that year? I’m retired now and last year I sold a house that I built and lived in as my principle residence for 2 years. I had no taxable income that year even though I banked a net profit of $263,000. While I was living in that house I built another house next door that cost me about $375,000 (including the lot) the assessed value for property taxes on that house is $865,000. If I sell it next year I won’t have any taxable income. I’m not a business, I’m not employed or unemployed, am I captured by the labor data?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
A person working two part time jobs, for a total of 32 hours is not considered working full time. Employed = 1, part timers up, full time down, until the employed is unemployed, tossed out. // The prime age 25-54 is the most important on the chart, but the most oppressed after Nixon bridge to China, globalization and high tech in the salt water areas. Salt water can kill u. The crumb people in the flyover are for Trump. If we hit a recessions or two, the Trump movement might grow. Puke, puke !!
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
The vast majority of the country’s wealth (78.1%) belongs to the older generations with baby boomers owning a whopping 52.2% of the country’s wealth, while the silent generation owns 15.2%.
Roughly 80% of S&P 500 companies have baby boomer CEOs and approximately one-third of that group is 65 or older.
Almost 80 percent of U.S. senators are either Baby Boomers or members of the Silent Generation, meaning they were born before 1965.
Boomers make up 230 voting members (53%) in the House.
Many of the problems are what happens when you have a generation give away the farm.
The chicken has come home to roost. Lets hope they have a good relationship with their kids, they are going to need it.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
40% of small businesses are owned by boomers and most don’t have a succession plan in place nor can they all sell their businesses over the next decade to other entrepreneurs because there aren’t enough entrepreneurs to sell them to especially if they all try to do it at once.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
I am the first entrepreneur in my family tree. Those before me always worked for others. I tease my kids that I want to teach them the family business, but they are not interested. I don’t blame them. It has been a lot of work, but I get personal satisfaction from it. If I did not get personal satisfaction from it it would not be worth it.
There is always going to be an economy and given a chance, those younger than me will become entrepreneurs in other things that spark them.
jhrodd
jhrodd
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
As far as I know a lot of small businesses are not really “salable” . My CPA was very impressed by how profitable my trucking business was compared to the other truckers he prepared tax returns for. He thought it was something I could sell when I retired. In fact the only thing I had to sell was my truck. Anyone with the experience and reputation and that could be bonded for hundreds of millions of dollars could do what I did. Besides that much of my revenue accrued from my personal labor which had virtually no overhead unlike the operation of a class 8 truck with its capital cost, fuel, maintenance, etc. My building and design business is pretty much the same way, I can’t bottle and sell it, it’s just my personal labor.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  jhrodd
I could not sell my business either, it is so nuanced. I could teach them my bag of tricks but they would have to have an interest to do well.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  jhrodd
So it goes for all the high-tech “consultants” who earn a good living but have no “business” without themselves.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
The wealth percentage is misleading for a couple of reasons.
1) The .1% class (Billionaires) represent the majority of that wealth and that wealth is normally tied up in family trusts controlled by the oldest living person which will of course happen to be a Boomer. But the point is that it will always be the oldest generation that controls those vast family wealth funds even if most of them didn’t build it (they themselves inherited from someone who earned it long before).
2) Wealth has always been concentrated in this manner. Even 100 years ago it was the grandparents who owned the family farms and the kids and grand kids lived on those farms. When the grand parents died the kids just directly inherited it all. In other words that’s always been the model of wealth, the oldest generation controls the wealth and passes it down.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I thought of that as I was writing, but see a difference in that today’s wealth is concentrated in Wall Street rather than substance. Sure the top one percent own most of the shares but the psycology and holdings of the top 30% are who give the shares their value. So much actual capital has been off shored in the last 50 years, meaning many companies don’t even produce anything. Massive immigration has reclassified many middle class jobs into so called “entry level or unskilled jobs”. Being a boomer I hear how other boomers talk about many essential jobs and it is denigrating.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
I too have noticed that few of the young aspire to driving garbage trucks or sucking out porta-potties.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The King has the wealth and the Eldest gets the biggest castle if he wants it.
FDR
FDR
10 months ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Primogeniture laws are not in vogue anymore.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
The chickens have come home.
They built insufficient accommodations for roosting.
Sunriver
Sunriver
1 year ago
Get the popcorn ready!
The federal government politicians in office in 2028 (most through term limits should never have been there in the first place), will do a Draghi; ‘Whatever it takes’ D.C. style!
Run deficits we cant even imagine in 2023. $5 trillion+ per year is on the table by 2030 and the only way out of those large of deficits, will be to inflate our way out of them. By assuring negative interest rates and unimaginable QE, ala the FED.
This demographic setup will pit the young and the old against each other as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid for the old are ‘saved’?? by future generation. At what cost to the young?
Unimaginable and there is no way out.
Can debt destroy our Republic? Perhaps, and that is what I believe Mish’s blog is truly about.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver
This demographic setup will pit the young and the old against each other as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid for the old are ‘saved’?? by future generation. At what cost to the young?
I have actually been thinking about this question a long time now. Better way to phrase it, will young people continue to pay into social security & medicare knowing full well that they wont ever get any of it? Why bother working if your income is being taken for literally nothing except supporting boomers? There is already a mass revolt of quiet quitting and great resignation, will it become a full blown revolt?
The GOP wants to eliminate income tax and replace it with a 30% VAT. I assume they are conjuring this up as a way to tax non-working boomers on the money they spend and generate additional revenue.
jhrodd
jhrodd
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
That’s nonsense. Social Security may face some adjustments to benefits and contributions but a default will only occur if there is a complete collapse of the US economic/political system. The truly unsustainable segment of the US government is the astronomic military expenditures supporting its global hegemonic insanity.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  jhrodd
It doesn’t need to be a default. People aren’t stupid, if they see social security benefits being cut year after year they can do simple math and realize that what they might get out of it someday will be totally worthless. The younger generations vote too, they can simply vote to eliminate social security altogether. Don’t think it won’t happen, America isn’t exactly known for treating their elders well but feel free to plan for the best case scenario and I’ll plan for the worst and assume social security won’t be there at all.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
It will always be there. The question is how much it will buy when they run the printing presses to pay out the money once the fund runs out.
If they don’t pay out then millions of old people will simply descend on grocery stores/corner stores and simply take (steal) what they need to eat. You can’t jail millions because there isn’t a place to put them and even if you could jailing would cost even more than just letting them straight steal it.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Now you’re finally starting to get it.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
For safety’s sake they must first confiscate personal firearms.
For the children.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
This recession can happen as long as we all work together to encourage and nurture it.
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MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
  • he number of people age 65+ is rising rapidly
  • The number of people age 55-64 is in decline
That would be generation boomer vs gen X generation right there. I think the numbers will be worse because I don’t think you are factoring increasing disability as time goes on. The growing rate of diabetes alone should terrify people and the implications for healthcare costs, productivity and labor availability and that’s just one disease.
There is also a growing movement of “quiet quitting” and moving overseas by young people. These two things alone will exacerbate the labor shortage. The assumptions made here are that no one leaves America for other countries with lower costs of living and better opportunities. There are about 9 million Americans living abroad now and while most are retired, a growing number are digital nomads. Every country around the world wants young smart tech savvy people to come in and build a new future there.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Good article on the future of nursing home care for boomers. It is specific to the coming boomer crisis but the content of the article is easily applicable to any industry and profession from teachers, police officer, fire fighters, engineers, doctors, nurses, pilots, etc. There aren’t enough people being produced, trained and educated to fill the gaps.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
9 million out of 350 million people is about 2.5% of the population. It’s not large enough to be statistically significant. Yes, young people who can move for better paying jobs will always do so (I myself move to the US from Canada for this very reason almost 30 years ago). But that’s only a tiny minority of people.
For every tech savvy US person who moves abroad, they can get 10 H1B Visa holders from China or India to replace them. There is a reason the H1B visas run out very early every year.
Esclaro
Esclaro
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Nine million today, eighteen million tomorrow, 36 million next week. More and more people are wising up to the scam that is the US. Fewer and fewer people (except those with no prospects at all) even want to come here. I am Canadian and I have lived in the US for 47 years. It’s turned into a degenerate dystopia.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Where exactly are they going to go? How many countries are looking to import 36 million people? That’s the entire population of Canada.
Most of the ‘havens’ like Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Eastern European countries don’t even have an entire population of 36 million. They may welcome a few thousand people but they aren’t going to welcome millions.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Canada is trying to have 500,000 immigrants this year to help rebuild younger demographics. The great immigrant ramp up is just starting.
A lot of countries have much worse demographics than Canada (e.g., China, most of Europe, Russia) – 36 million will be easily welcomed and absorbed elsewhere.
Country demographics are crashing – will be first time in modern history this will be occuring.
Will be similar to great plagues of late middle ages when populations crashed, competition for workers began, and serfdom to disappear.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
Serfdom did not simply disappear.
It was replaced by wage slavery where the owners no longer have to supply food and shelter.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Good points, but I have a different slant.
First, the whole world is going through a change similar to the early industrial world movement of people from farm to city. Those “digital nomads” are the future of work. The key enabling tech will be cheaper machines that can be tele-operated and do much of their jobs autonomously. When you see roofing and plumbing done in suburbia by tele-operated systems, the fat lady will have already sung.
Second, that 10 to 1 ratio (great observation!) tells us that the US is an attractive place to live. Which is what countries will be competing to be in this century.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
they can get 10 H1B Visa holders from China or India to replace them.
That depends on which political party is in charge doesn’t it? Wasn’t Trump hell bent on eliminating H1B visa program? It will all come down to the GOP labor bigots or the DNC labor beggars. The fundamental problem is the cost of living in the US is becoming unbearable for most people, especially the young and once they start bailing it will be very hard to get them back, replacing them with Indians and Chinese will fundamentally change america if that is the route things go. Imagine the India caste system grow more and more in America, what an intriguing scenario.
shar
shar
11 months ago
Reply to  MPO45
Japan solved that with robots. I read an article a few years ago. Wonder how it has turned out for them.

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