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EU Declares Energy Crisis ‘Emergency’, the US Will Not Be Immune

EC President Seeks ‘Emergency Intervention’ in Electricity Market

Please note Ursula von der Leyen Calls for ‘Emergency Intervention’ in Electricity Market.

“The skyrocketing electricity prices are now exposing, for different reasons, the limitations of our current electricity market design,” the European Commission president said on Monday while addressing the Bled Strategic Forum in Slovenia. “[The market] was developed under completely different circumstances and for completely different purposes. It is no longer fit for purpose.

“That is why we, the Commission, are now working on an emergency intervention and a structural reform of the electricity market. We need a new market model for electricity that really functions and brings us back into balance.”

Under this system, all electricity producers – from fossil fuels to wind and solar – bid into the market and offer power according to their production costs. The bidding starts from the cheapest resources – the renewables – and finishes with the most expensive ones, usually gas.

Since most EU countries still rely on fossil fuels to meet all their energy demands, the final price of electricity is often set by the price of gas. If gas becomes more expensive, electricity bills inevitably go up, even if clean, cheaper sources also contribute to the total energy supply.

What a hoot. If clean energy was really cheaper and easier to produce, without subsidies, it would have won out long ago. 

Clean may be cheaper now, but that is thanks to the EU’s sanctions on Russia. 

Non-Solutions

Spain, Portugal, Greece, France, Italy and Belgium seek a “decoupling” of gas and electricity prices to put an end to the contagion effect.

How can that possibly help? 

Say you pay $X for clean energy and $Y for natural gas produced electricity. The total price paid is based on the percentage use of both. There is not enough X to go around. 

 European Power Prices Shatter Records as Energy Crisis Intensifies

CNN Reports European Power Prices Shatter Records as Energy Crisis Intensifies

German power prices for next year, which are considered Europe’s benchmark, briefly jumped above €1,000 ($999.80) per megawatt hour on Monday before falling back to €840 ($839.69) per megawatt hour.

“This is not normal at all. It’s incredibly volatile,” said Fabian Rønningen, a senior analyst at Rystad Energy. “These prices are reaching levels now that we thought we would never see.”

The World Will Bear the Cost

Time Magazine reports Europe’s Energy Crisis Is Going to Get Worse. The World Will Bear the Cost

Until blackouts begin or pump prices make driving actually unaffordable, most people generally think no more often of energy than of air. For this reason, Americans have mostly been sheltered from the energy crisis unfolding urgently and in some cases lethally in countries around the world. In many other places, especially Europe, the escalating situation is impossible to ignore, and it’s going to get a lot worse.

To be clear, the energy crisis is already here, and Russia is fully to blame. Natural gas prices topped $3100 per 1000 cubic meters in mid-August, a 610% increase over the same time last year as measured by the Dutch TTF market. At this price, many power stations cannot afford to operate for long. As a consequence of the rising cost of input fuels, benchmark electricity prices in Europe have surged almost 300% in 2022, breaking records. Taken together, energy prices are ten times higher than the five-year average.

Not only do average households struggle to pay for power and heating at such a cost, but governments are coming up short, too. The $279 billion European governments have recently allocated to help small consumers is already not enough.

The worst has yet to come. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev threatened on August 28 that gas prices will hit $5000/1000m3 by the end of 2022. With Europe dependent on Russian imports for over 40% of its gas needs, and 46% for coal and 27% for oil, Putin has a lot of leverage. And this year, he is not playing nice.

If Russia cuts off the gas—perhaps when, not if—the European consequences will be massive and the global economic consequences could be tragic. The IMF calculated in mid-July that for Hungary, Slovakia, and the Czech Republic a full cut off of natural gas from Russia could drop GDPs by up to 6%. Global economic growth would drop by 2.6% in 2022 and another 2% in 2023. On a human level, some people will not have heating, others will have to choose between warmth and food. 

You Have No Idea How Bad Europe’s Energy Crisis Is

Foreign Policy says You Have No Idea How Bad Europe’s Energy Crisis Is

European natural gas prices are now around 10 times higher than they were on average over the last decade and about 10 times pricier than in the United States. Alex Munton, an expert on global gas markets at Rapidan Energy Group, a consultancy, said European natural gas is so expensive it’s like paying $500 for a barrel of oil. And these are the good months.

“Things are [at] a crisis point,” said Munton. “We have astronomic gas prices, and we’re still a few months away from when gas demand really peaks during the winter. There’s genuine uncertainty whether there will be sufficient gas to meet demand throughout the winter.”

It’s unclear how long industries and households can hold together. The United Kingdom, for instance, is looking at double-digit inflation in large part due to skyrocketing energy prices and a sharp downward revision to GDP estimates, according to Oxford Economics. 

Businesses Closing

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Spotlight UK

Spotlight Germany

US Production

A Word About Scale

https://twitter.com/ResearchRonin/status/1564701092465856513

What About Aluminum?

A UK Gym

Ursula von der Leyen Emergency Declaration Speech

No Details of Emergency Plan

The EC president declared an emergency but released no details.

Q: Why?
A: There are only bad choices.

Five Bad Choices

  1. The EU can subsidize the price of energy increasing deficits in treaty violation
  2. The EU can do nothing and let businesses go under
  3. The EU can remove sanctions on Russia and pray that Russia will go along
  4. The EU can set price controls that will force producers out of business
  5. The EU can ration energy 

The best solution is number 3, hoping that Russia will go along. But that will not even be considered.

I suspect the EU nannycrats will opt for door number 4, the absolute worst choice. Perhaps they will go with a combination of #1, #4, and #5. 

But businesses will go under no matter what the EU does.

Bonus Tweet Option

6. Don’t pay the bill. 

In the US that would likely lead to liens in red states and some other weird actions in blue one perhaps with Biden declaring an energy moratorium. 

Good Luck to Europe, Biden Threatens Energy Exporters With Stop Exporting Mandate!

Meanwhile, the Biden administration is so concerned about inflation here it is considering a ban on US energy exports.

For discussion, please see Good Luck to Europe, Biden Threatens Energy Exporters With Stop Exporting Mandate!

The European crisis is a direct result of sanction madness. 

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Melquist
Melquist
3 years ago
Problem: Our education system has not only made ordinary folks dumber but it has really shown us how stupid our politicians have got! All the President has to do in ensure cheap energy. That is it. The rest is window dressing. Say what you want. I learn a lot reading this guys post. I do not understand some of the articles. What have I learned lately? Job/workers retirements will keep job loss lower than expected. I see that now. Sanctions are a farce. I understand that now. I mean really, criminal states will always find ways to buy and sell. You better off to flood the market with energy drive price down. Wait, is that not a strategy used by business to kill off small competitors? I don’t know. Sad state of our world. So how do we fix it? Fail and fail often. Yes failing will hopefully help us learn. But hmm no politician wants to fail. So we get a anti Maga speech in prime time with evil red background LOL weird people. Desperate people.
Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
Perhaps the top has blown off for now. If crude can briefly go negative last year, then its derivatives can go very long the other way. Some reversion to the mean will happen because there is no way individuals, businesses, nations, or the EU can afford 10x or greater increases in energy prices.
Call_Me_Al
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
Al, as I found out in my youth, if you can’t pay for it you either do without or take it by force.
Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Can’t hold very much electricity in one’s hands — those free electrons are slippery little devils!
Suspect there are few Western Europeans who have experience illegally tapping into fuel or electric lines, but perhaps they can import some people skilled in that trade. Your personal experience may be correct, however in this circumstance too many would be takers and far too few would be able to pay the bills coming due. The tap would be turned off and then nothing would be left to take. I’m inclined to believe that prices will normalize and things won’t go that far.
Call_Me_Al
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Of course this does not apply only to the problems of gas and Ukraine
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
“Reality, what a concept!”
Lauri
Lauri
3 years ago
Hi. Just to inform you, in EU renewable/clean energy has been cheaper than fossil energy already before Russian crisis. Producing energy from fossile sources has been taxed through CO2 taxes, that makes it expensive. New wind and solar projects are not subsidized already for a while (at least in my region) and subsidies of the old projects are reducing. Problem is the availability. Most of the consumption is at high lattitudes, where there is not enough room for solar installations and they are inefficient 6 months of the year. Wind is also unreliable, and building sea-parks is slow, because of engineering, suitable areas and permits, not so much of missing capital…. and hydro capacity is insufficient. If there were sufficient energy storage facilities that would allow to buffer peaks in production and consumption the use of fossil energy would be minimized quite quickly. There are some hydro-storages built, but reliable cost-effective battery parks are the actual necessity.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Lauri
Thank you for that information ☻
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Lauri
And if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
Too many wishes in politics and economics these days.
William Janes
William Janes
3 years ago
Europeans are tough, all they have to do is read their history. Turn the thermostat down. Drive less. Assist each other. I am old enough to remember when most people did not have central heat or air conditioning.
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Reply to  William Janes
The history of Europeans has been cancelled. Sorry…
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
there are some corners of rich world that require no a/c and no heat. coastal CA in us. and MED coast in much of southern europe.
FooFooFed
FooFooFed
3 years ago
At 1000euro megw/hr how many poverty line children won’t make thru the winter.
Humanity=fking joke
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  FooFooFed
Humans survived ice ages. We will survive this.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
“The European crisis is a direct result of sanction madness.”
I would say it is madness to not to take measures to remove your energy dependence on a country that just invaded your neighbor. I would say that doing so is a proof of sanity.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Sanity would have been McCain not meddling in Ukraine in the first place.
The proxy war against Assad, resulted in some 5,000,000 refugees, a number of which have gone to Europe as a result, creating a mess in the EU.
McCain was photographed with some of the Syrian proxy warriors, as he was in Maidan Square, with the protesters.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Whataboutism at its best. What about if Ukraine had not given up their nuclear weapons for a signed guarantee that Russia would respect its borders, a guarantee that Russia did not respect? Moscow and Saint Petersburg would radioactive craters now.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
What whataboutism?
McCain meddled in Syria and Ukraine.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
And Russia did not?
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
What would the U.S. government do if the elected president of Mexico was overthrown and the replacement invited China and Russia to build military bases within 100 miles of the U.S. border?
I just read that Gorbechev died. He was told that NATO would not take one step east.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Now you have entered into the realm speculative fiction in an attempt to prove your point.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Is what is happening in Ukraine now, speculation?
There was no Russian takeover of Crimea, until Yanukovich was overthrown. Action, reaction. The U.S. government would not sit idly by if the Mexican president was overthrown and his replacement invited the Russian and Chinese governments in to build military bases within 100 miles of the U.S. border.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
That line of reasoning was played at the beginning of the Russian invasion as a justification but since people in the West didn’t swallow what the Russians were serving the Russians dropped it. I see you are trying to revive it. That may work for the domestic Russian scene but nowhere else. You are wasting your time.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
They never had nuclear weapons, they were just stationed there.
They had no launch codes and could not actually use them.
Otherwise they would have kept them.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Sheesh Doug, very little craters, airburst are much more effective and less fallout.
William Janes
William Janes
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Ron: Putin and Assad are responsible carpet bombing Syrians and destroying the country. McCain and US had and has very little to do with it. The Ukrainian wanted Putin puppet government out, again US had little to do with it other than encouragement.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Where else are you going to get the required energy?
The US has already proven to be more unreliable in 6 months than Russia was in decades. The US export market is always going to be subject to political whims of the party in power and their need to manipulate their approval rating. So the US is not going to be a reliable replacement.
100% green transition is not possible unless Nuclear is involved.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
“Where else are you going to get the required energy?”
More from the North Sea for example. There are still plenty of places to drill there and the countries involved are doing it. Much more nuclear. Gas from the US and other places in plus there is a lot of oil shale itself in Europe. Under the upper half of France we have a basin of oil shale that could and probably will be exploited now that the technology is mature and much cleaner. There is a lot under my house. The objective is to have a wide range of new sources and not be dependent on one country. Those sources that are on the continent itself will be prioritized. It’s not a flash-in-the-pan plan. It’s a concerted effort to make Europe free of outside sources for energy. Being blackmailed by a piece of s…t country like Russia really pisses the Europeans off.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Understand that while the below article focuses on Europe, the USA, China, Japan and other countries are all doing some work in this area. It’s not just a European effort and the development costs aren’t all on their shoulders alone.
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Europe Is Getting Serious About Making Space-Based Solar Power a Reality
August 29, 2022
Proposals for beaming solar power down from space have been around since the 1970s, but the idea has long been seen as little more than science fiction. Now, though, Europe seems to be getting serious about making it a reality.
Space-based solar power (SBSP) involves building massive arrays of solar panels in orbit to collect sunlight and then beaming the collected energy back down to Earth via microwaves or high-powered lasers. The approach has several advantages over terrestrial solar power, including the absence of night and inclement weather and the lack of an atmosphere to attenuate the light from the sun.
But the engineering challenge involved in building such large structures in space, and the complexities of the technologies involved, have meant the idea has remained on the drawing board so far. The director general of the European Space Agency, Josef Aschbacher, wants to change that.
A long-time advocate of the technology, Aschbacher recently announced plans for a new research and development program called Solaris, which will lay the groundwork for a full-scale rollout of the technology later this century. The proposal will be put to the ESA Council, which makes funding decisions for the agency, at a meeting in November.
“Space-based solar power would be an important step towards carbon neutrality and energy independence for Europe,” he tweeted. “We have the main building blocks already, but let me be clear: for the project to succeed, much technology development and funding is still needed.”
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Europe is really wanting to get serious about space. They see the Russians out of the running now and the US dominating with China coming up. They want to be at least number two in the pack.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The advantage of beaming power down from space is that whoever controls the beaming controls where and how it lands. Moscow for instance or perhaps Beijing?
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
They would have been better cultivating a relationship with the Russians, starting in 2001 when Putin tried to join NAtO.
It is the American presence in all the key organs and decision-making that leads from one disaster to the next (Kosovo; Libya; Iraq; Ukraine).
William Janes
William Janes
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Do you bother to read? Read Putin’s speeches from that era. He was already planning to reinvade parts of the defunct Soviet Union. The only reason that he would join Nato is to destroy it internally. The breakup of Yugoslavia was always a disaster waiting to occur. The US had little to do with it or to ameliorate it. Libyans revolted against the most bizarre dictator of the late twentieth century. Again the US role minor. Iraq, we will own that one. Good idea to rid the world of Saddam, but a bridge to far. Ukraine, here is where you fall off the deep end right into the lap of Putin. Ukraine was no threat to Russia. Nato was no threat to Russia. Russia invaded Crimea and the Western Regions of Ukraine in 2014. Rather than having good relationships with Ukraine, trade and travel, which would have benefited both Russia and Unkraine. Putin in his paranoid delusions of Russian Grandeur started a brutal invasion which we should do everything in our power to assist him in losing.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
TIME: “To be clear, the energy crisis is already here, and Russia is fully to blame.”
TIME is gaslighting its readers.
Okienomics
Okienomics
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Blaming Russia for the energy crisis is akin to blaming economic and supply-chain collapse in 2020 to a low-fatality illness created with their money grants, that had readily available therapeutic medicines that were outright banned. It was government RESPONSE to these events that caused crisis. Politicians have gotten exceedingly good at causing crisis, then positioning themselves as the solution while pretending to *care* about the hardship and death they themselves cause. Gaslighting indeed.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“EC President Seeks ‘Emergency Intervention’ in Electricity Market”
EC president seeks to create unintended consequences in the electricity market.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
There is a misconception that everyone in Europe is paying spot prices for electricity. That is not the case. If your furnisher actually produces the stuff your price will not be the spot price but the price that is probably capped lower. I am all electric and my furnisher is EDF which produces most of France’s electricity mainly from nuclear. The price rise is capped at 4% this year and I pay around 18.5 cents per kilowatt-hour. Of that 38% consists of taxes. The variable will not be the price, or not by much, but by quantity. Some although are in a bad way because they have contracts with companies that don’t produce electricity but buy it on the market and use their “trading expertise” to furnish their clients. They are actually just financial companies masquerading as utilities. Most are bankrupt now and their clients are the ones paying the spot price.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
That’s part of it for sure.
The other part is that many countries use gas (France for the most part does not) and now there is not enough gas to make the required amount of electricity. So there is going to be less power than countries need which is going to mean rationing/blackouts.
Governments can paper over the spot price market by nationalizing it and socializing the losses on everyone so that people don’t get those 5000 dollar bills. But they can’t make gas appear and prevent the rationing/blackouts.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
You cannot make gas appear but you can cut out unnecessary uses for it.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
How much unnecessary use do you estimate there is? A few people may be burning gas fireplaces for looks rather than heat but for the most part people don’t unnecessarily use things they pay money for.
Priority order of course will be heating / cooking in homes over businesses but once businesses don’t get gas (or the electric power from the gas generators) then those businesses cease to exist and those employees get to be unemployed and they can’t pay for their car, mortgage/rent, food etc. It’s a vicious cycle.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
How much you can save depends on how much you waste. Perhaps as much as 30% could be saved from things like not lighting streets, store fronts ant night, lower thermostats, turning off machines not in use and so forth. Companies are on the warpath now to cut all the unnecessary energy use and they are doing it to an almost ridiculous level some would say but that is how you squeeze the excess out of the system. That is for companies. Take yourself as an example if you had to cut your energy use by 30% you could find ways to do it if your financial existence depended on you doing it and companies are the same. The economic damage is there. One can’t deny that and the damage does spread but remember we have just gone through a similar experience with covid causing businesses to fail and survived. This is another instance of an emergency and having got through the last one gives confidence that we can get through this one as well. Basically the choice is to adapt or to capitulate to Russia’s demands and even if the next winter will be rough the next ones will not because alternative sources will be tapped. Most people know that and accept the hardship because there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The biggest savings would be to move the population into all the office space, which represents a huge pool of heated, poorly utilized space. Homes tend to use much much more gas to heat because of the often poorly insulated surface area … heh, it’s gonna be a matter of survival, or not.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
That’s an idea for a cold snap. Some people would be sheltered that way.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You make your bed, you lie in it. This crisis didn’t just happen because of Covid or Russia invading Ukraine. It has been building for decades. Slow motion train wreck up ahead.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I guess we can thank the Governments for speeding up the train.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
But EVERYONE will be paying in the near future, unless they have long-term contracts with firms that don’t go belly up, like Gas Prom, and hopefully my own provider, with who I have a 4 year contract.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
My experience has been that long term contracts providing something at below market prices have an unpleasant surprise ending.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Ya think price fixing might affect energy stox.?
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
“Europe’s Economic And Social Suicide – Provoked by The U.S. And Helped Along By Europe’s Leaders”
A good description of the situation.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
The Moon of Alabama where barflyies get together. 95% of their articles are about how Ukraine will lose the war and how great Russia is so frankly I think they might be a tad bit biased.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
On the other hand, Russia (and Putin) is always (99%) painted as the bad guy . You think the rest of the media might also be biased?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Depends on what you read. You could equate everyone as the same and using that logic you end up excusing those with even the most reprehensible behavior in the name of equivalence which obviously breaks down when the said behavior becomes too extreme for most people to excuse or explain away. At some point most people make a decision and chose a side. Normally the further away you are from the conflict the easier it is to fall into the false equivalence trap. Those closer do not have that luxury.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
You Have No Idea How Bad Europe’s Energy Crisis Is”
People have no idea how stupid green energy mandates were + how stupid it was for McCain to meddle in Ukraine.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Government is the cause of this energy mess, just as government is the cause of the Covid mess.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
When are government people going to be held accountable?
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
They just raided trump’s house seized some documents. Might be something happening as a start.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
That is not even close to a start when the people currently in power are corrupt as hell.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Do not disagree, however I believe leadership is more weak and lacking vision than corrupt.
Another problem is politicians often pander to the lowest common denominator to get votes which does not bode well.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago

Ursula declaring an Energy Emergency is not a surprise. She just stated the obvious
and announced the implementation of already agreed upon measures to manage the penury.
In the quasi-war situation that we are in here means that relying on a totally
free market in energy will not solve the problem in the short-term and that to
keep countries, companies and speculators from bidding against each other an
imposition on the market of price caps plus rationing has to be put in place
and now officially will be. Now putting together an energy program for
countries with widely different sources of energy and needs is going to be
complicated no matter how you look at it. It demands cooperation between the
respective governments and that cooperation has already been negotiated and
agreed which by itself something of a milestone.

The core is that the sources of energy are mutualized with
price caps plus rationing. To the free market purists this is the supreme
heresy but Europe sees itself as in an economic and financial war with Russia
(the leaders do actually use that term) so to keep the economy running until alternate
non-Russian energy sources are in place that is the logical solution. In the
meantime there are plenty of incentives and plenty of money for private
companies to in the medium-term solve the continent’s energy-provision problems.
For the cap and ration they will use a flexible stick and carrot approach that will
concern principally companies where if they cut electricity consumption by the
good amount they will be paid but if they exceed the amount they will be fined.
The flexibility part comes from what the overall economy needs are that
particular day. Now with modern information processing that can be calculated
and applied in real-time which for a continent-wide economy is something new.
Obviously industries that are very energy-intensive will have to curtail their
operations and some close temporarily until better days. Since Germany is the
most exposed and the most needs this coming year it will probably suffer the
most but the current meme that people will be freezing to death is exaggerated.
By putting down the thermostat by a few degrees will save enough to keep people
warm enough. The problem is more on the industrial side because industry is in
competition with the people for energy so in a pinch you can guess who will get
cut in a cold snap. Germany will be owing a lot of favors to other members when
this is done. It probably will stimulate a more tight union.

Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
As more and more people in France and in other European countries, I think that we could quit UE and NATO. Maybe Frexit will be easier after this winter.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Don’t bet on it. Everyone complains about the EU but like the Euro and Nato no one likes the alternative of being outside.
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The alternative of being outside, it is the 60’s and 70’s in France. It was much better. The time after that is a continuous decadence. For example the European rule has almost destroyed EDF.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
How old were you in the 60’s and 70’s to know how much better it was?
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I was exactly 25 in 1981 when the descent began (the election of Mitterrand)
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
We are the same age. Mitterrand really did a number on France for sure. I remember how it was. C’était folklorique.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It would be good if the UK and EU could emphasise our unity by not continuing to make like difficult for each other.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Yes. The EU wanted to punish the UK for leaving. That is no longer the case fortunately. They need each other now.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
If all this is true, Europe would be well-advised to treat Russia as a partner.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
No. There are already millions who could not afford the old prices, and survived the winter by staying in bed with blankets and moving through the house with 3 blankets. Especially the old, with poorly insulated housing (cannot move without tripling their rent) and meagre pensions.
These people are being killed by rent & food inflation, and will all be disconnected from the grid for arrears.
Many are poorly connected socially, and there will be a huge peak in the number of people found dead in their homes (already occurs but on a rather modest scale … 6000/year in England, if I’m remembering correctly)
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Agreed Doug.
Stalin and Mao used the same techniques to great effect.
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
If I was a Russian citizen I would want to forbid to sell anything to (or buy anything from) any country that give weapons to kill Russian soldiers. I think that most Russians have the same idea.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
I think that is a great idea! Hopefully Putin will declare such a law. Doing so will accelerate Russia’s decline into an NK economy.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
I read Russia is selling gas to China. China compresses it into LNG and ships it to Europe. With a huge markup. Europe knows what’s going on and is OK with it. So, standing up to Russia is just a political front to not embarrass politicians.
I thought global warming was by far the biggest threat. A bigger threat than even Putin. I’m not an expert on energy usage required to move nat gas, but I wouldn’t be surprised if shipping to China, compressing and refrigerating it while shipping around Eurasia, and then decompressing it for use in Europe didn’t produce 1000x more CO2 than just piping it via Nordstream.
Anon1970
Anon1970
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I read the same thing, on ZeroHedge.com, yesterday. It sounds like the largest black market in history. if you were planning a vacation to Europe in the coming year, maybe you should just stay a lot closer to home. Palm Springs is very nice in the winter.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The hypocrisy of the left has no limits.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
US has received 3600 Russian cargo ships so far since Feb 24.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Unfortunately it’s not limited to the Left.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“I thought global warming was by far the biggest threat.”
It’s not. Unsure where you read that. Can you provide a cite?
Putin is an existential threat to world order and must be neutralized at ANY cost.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
If you hadn’t noticed, Putin keeps getting older.
It’s self-limiting.
BDR45
BDR45
3 years ago
The Western world is driven by nonsensical political agendas. These blind our “leaders” to rational thought. Who could possibly have
thought that Russia might reduce NG exports to the West when sanctions were put in place?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
Wasn’t that the point of the sanctions?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Ah, so the EU has what it wanted all along.
An emerging crisis.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
3 years ago
The West seems intent on suicide. First wars in the Middle East. Next mass immigration of the resulting war refugees spreading to economic refugees. Now picking a war with Russia, and then slapping on sanctions. Our leaders are clowns. The important question is: who’s pulling their strings? Follow the neocon bread crumbs.
BDR45
BDR45
3 years ago
Suicide is the perfect description.
William Janes
William Janes
3 years ago
The question is who is pulling your strings with such propagandic nonsense.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
3 years ago
“To be clear, the energy crisis is already here, and Russia is fully to blame.”
Nope. The sanctions of the US and the EU are to blame.
In our home we call it the “Biden Boomerang.”
To paraphrase Victor Orbán, “Europe hasn’t shot itself in the foot, It has shot itself in the lung.”
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Not to mention green energy reform greatly increased their reliance on Russian energy.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Absolutely correct.
If Europe had let Ukraine go on day 1, the war would have been over in a couple weeks time, gas and food prices in Europe would be about where they were last year and Russia would have done whatever it was going to do in Ukraine with far less bloodshed.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
If Biden had a brain, upon hearing the first rumors/intelligence, he would’ve met with Putin, brought him into western alignment, opened trade, stopped the Russia-China alliance, and made Ukraine a neutral state…
William Janes
William Janes
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Munich!
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The Americans would not permit an independent Ukraine under any conditions.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Russia has nothing to do with it.
The capital city of the Netherlands (the Hague) and many others are asking for a sanctions exemption.
They are receiving zero bids on their tenders, at any price.
They want to avoid breaking their long term contract for cheap gas with Gas Prom !
No, It is the Europeans cutting themselves off, boomeranging themselves.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
1) Natgas futures weekly close < last week low (Wed morning). 2) Brent weekly : down from 139.13 in Mar 7 2022 to 91.51 in Aug 15. The current bar is a trigger. In order to move lower there must be a close < July 11 low @94.50. 3) Western Canadian Select weekly futures is selling at $20 discount to WTIC. Since WTIC is selling at $91.64 ==> 20/92 = 22% discount.
Putin gets about the same price from China and India. When Canada’s Trans Mountain pipeline will be completed next year WCS will compete with OPEC. // If Europe, China and US enter a prolong recession WTIC might drop in stepping stones. First to the low 60’s – 70’s, thereafter to the 40’s – 50’s, while natgas and DX popup. Taking Kherson will cost Europe. .
Steve_R
Steve_R
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Interesting post, I am amazed the on how low Alberta Natural Gas is compare to US natural gas. https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/
It makes you wonder if hedge funds are taking advantage of this in US. 2.38 vs 9.01 ????
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Its going to be a very tough winter in Europe. Very thankful I don’t live there.
I’ve suggested for a few months now that there will be multiple regime changes in Western Europe over the sanctions. More than ever I think that’s going to come true only now I’m wondering if they will be peaceful or violent. That’s what we really will be watching and talking about in this blog and elsewhere in the coming months because violent regime changes quite often have bad long term outcomes.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Praying for peaceful, but I don’t see that happening. This easily has the potential to make the French Revolution look like a church social. Those energy prices are only going to get worse. The only way out is for the West to stop poking the bear. What’s the odds of that happening before it’s too late? I’d say zero given the way things have unfolded to date.
William Janes
William Janes
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Poor little bear. We have been through much worse. We will get through it.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  William Janes
Must be nice to not know what’s going on. Glad I learned about the ignore function. Thanks papa forget the rest.
William Janes
William Janes
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Is Russia included in your musings?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Probably won’t be very serious.
In general, the Europeans are not allowed to have firearms.
danis
danis
3 years ago
“What a hoot. If clean energy was really cheaper and easier to produce, without subsidies, it would have won out long ago.”
Mish, in this respect you don’t understand how electricity market dispatch works. Dispatch (what the quoted paragraph is discussing) is based on SHORT-RUN production costs, of which wind and solar are – and have always been – cheaper than natural gas, coal. Something which is easily observable based on how GenCos actually offer into such markets.
You are confusing short-run costs with long-run costs – the latter don’t matter when the capital stock is fixed which is obviously the case when making dispatch decisions.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  danis
Unfortunately, we are all prone to jumping to conclusions based on certain biases, without doing the proper research.
When I make that mistake with an investment, I usually lose money. Which is why I like to thoroughly research my investments, before pulling the trigger.
Sadly, within this comments section I find a lot of people who make ridiculous statements that are heavily biased with politics, or just sheer stupidity. Fortunately, I have discovered the “Ignore” feature so I can avoid seeing the comments from the heavily biased folks.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Where is that feature?
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Tap (on phone, tablet), or mouse click (computer) on the commenters name. The IGNORE feature appears. Once you ignore someone, they will appear in a list in your profile (under preferences) .So you can still choose to remove them from your Ignore list, and see their comments again.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Awesome! Thanks.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
My pleasure. I really like the blog and sometimes there are some great investment ideas in the comments section. But I hate having to read through all the garbage posts to find them. So I IGNORE the folks who tend to only post the garbage. I hate wasting valuable time on nonsense. The downside, is that if any of the folks I am ignoring have something worthwhile to say occasionally, I will miss it.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
What little the ignorant have to say that’s worth listening to is far outweighed by their nonsense. However, politics does play a much bigger role than it should. After all, most of Mish’s postings are rants about what some aspect of politics are doing to the economy. And the rants are not only well-deserved, but absolutely essential to understanding why we’re so screwed.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I find the actual economic analysis that Mish does to be very useful. The political rants, less useful. But its his blog. He can rant as much as he wants.
So, I will carefully read his analysis, and just skim the political rants.
There are some occasional nuggets of wisdom in the comments section as well. Some very bright folks here.
Its why I keep coming back. Sadly, a few of the brightest folks are no longer commenting. But I learned a lot from them when they did.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yes, mish does a good job breaking down the data. Most economists will make everything unnecessarily complex so they’ll feel smart, but he is practically giving an unstructured economics class. And a much better one than I took about 30 years ago. We actually had to chant stupid kensian sayings like we were children. Which is why I switched my major from economics to history. And still got a job as a stockbroker! Unfortunately, what I learned from history is that this present situation is quite probably worse than anything we’ve ever seen. Unless you’ve read Atlas Shrugged. Except we have no John Galt.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Agree with much of what you say. Though I am always looking for opportunities, no matter what the situation appears to be.
You are brave to mention your History major in this comment section. There seems to be a bias among many here against any non-STEM education. They would make all sorts assumptions about you and label you a libtard or some other derogatory name.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It’s not bravery; I just don’t care about the opinions of the ignorant. When someone tells me something like that, all they’re telling me is they’re not worth my time. The lessons I learned have more than paid for my education. To really tick them off, I’ll let them all know now that it was a graduate degree with a minor in law! It’s not what you get a degree in that counts anyway. It’s what you get out of it that counts. And I got a lot.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Well said.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Well, you know those liberal arts do teach people to communicate better! lol
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Thanks Papa.
Most of the time I find stupidity and politics almost interchangeable.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
3 years ago
Reply to  danis
Danis, you dont understand how the world works. Fix capital cost must be included in the overall cost.
But, with the current gas prices in Europe, the renewable may actually be cheaper. Of course this assumes the renewables were manufactured with cheap fossile fuels and not the current, expensive fossile fuels. Most likely they were produced using cheap, highly polluting coal in a Chinese factory.
danis
danis
3 years ago
Lol yes I do. Go and look up what electricity dispatch means and then tell me why my decision about whether to run a gas plant or a wind plant THAT ARE BOTH ALREADY BUILT to meet electricity demand in the next 5-minutes should depend on anything other than the short-run costs of energy production (and power system physics). Capital costs are obviously irrelevant in that timescale, which is what you (and Mish) are missing.
This is economics 101.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  danis
Duh.
Capital/maintenance costs are ALWAYS included in the SPOT price of electricity.
I bet you believe money comes from the Tooth Fairy.
danis
danis
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
They are reflected in prices on average over the long term. They are absolutely not ALWAYS included in the spot price – that’s so wrong and inefficient that you obviously are clueless about electricity. Duh.
Maybe I believe in the tooth fairy but you must believe the Aussie’s have invented generating technologies with negative capital costs, because their spot price is negative up to 20% of the time – yes even with coal/gas running.
Roy
Roy
3 years ago
If you go back and listen to Dr Mearsheimer’s speech in 2015 at the University of Chicago, you get a good understanding of the causes of the Ukraine – Russia war.
We (US and EU) could resolve this by declaring that Ukraine is forever banned from NATO and force Ukraine into discussions with Russia. Instead, we have Biden declaring ongoing hostilities (support of war) toward Russia until Russia unilaterally surrenders. Note that the invasion was precipitated by Kamala Harris’ trip to Ukraine, at which she encouraged their admission to NATO.
Stopping the war would be a big help, but not sufficient.
The prices of energy are being artificially increased here in the US, by the Biden Administration deliberately impeding any resource (gas/oil) production. The lack of supply is affecting the entire world. Our own government is largely to blame.
The truth is stranger than fiction. Our own governments (EU and US) are waging war on us, the citizens. It took me a long time to submit to this reality. All of this stress is deliberate. I would state that bad choice number 2 will be implemented. However that is too benign. Our governments will add to the problem and make it worse. I just don’t know how yet.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Roy
The people only want to not be abused by the great, while the great only want to abuse the people. The Prince by Machiavelli.
Some things never change.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Sanctions are permeable. Europe will still be getting the gas they need. They will just have to pay more.
———-
China Is Aggressively Reselling Russian Gas To Europe
Tuesday, Aug 30, 2022 – 06:00 PM
One month ago, we were surprised to read how, despite a suppressed appetite for energy amid its housing crash and economic downturn (for which “zero covid” has emerged as a convenient scapegoat for emperor Xi), China has been soaking up more Russian natural gas so far this year, while imports from most other sources declined.
In July, the SCMP reported that according to Chinese customs data, in the first six months of the year, China bought a total of 2.35 million tonnes of liquefied natural gas (LNG) – valued at US$2.16 billion. The import volume increased by 28.7% year on year, with the value surging by 182%. It meant Russia has surpassed Indonesia and the United States to become China’s fourth-largest supplier of LNG so far this year!
This, of course, is not to be confused with pipeline gas, where Russian producer Gazprom recently announced that its daily supplies to China via the Power of Siberia pipeline had reached a new all-time high (Russia is China’s second-largest pipeline natural gas supplier after Turkmenistan), and earlier revealed that the supply of Russian pipeline gas to China had increased by 63.4% in the first half of 2022.
What was behind this bizarre surge in Russian LNG imports, analysts speculated? After all, while China imports over half of the natural gas it consumes, with around two-thirds in the form of LNG, demand this year had fallen sharply amid economic headwinds and widespread shutdowns. In other words, why the surge in Russian LNG when i) domestic demand is just not there and ii) at the expense of everyone else?
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Paying more for the same gas?! What a great victory for these dingbats! LOL
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
In support of Europe’s most corrupt regime…..Like you said ‘dingbats’…..never heard the word before but I am sure you are right …..
Anon1970
Anon1970
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Dingbat: American slang for a stupid person. The term was made popular on the American TV show “All in the Family”.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
A quote from the American philosopher Archie Bunker.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The real question is will the EU earn the money to pay, or will they borrow it (from whom?) or simply “create” it?
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Norway Displaces Russia As Europe’s Biggest NatGas Supplier
Tuesday, Aug 30, 2022 – 10:55 AM
The European Union is reducing its dependence on Russian natural gas and has made some progress. Norway has displaced Russia as the top supplier of NatGas to the EU as energy supply chains are rejiggered, reported Reuters, as Moscow reduces flows to EU countries via the Nord Stream 1 pipeline.
According to government data in May, Norway ramped up NatGas production by at least 8% versus last year. This means the Scandinavian country could produce upwards of 122 billion cubic meters (bcm) of NatGas this year.
Refinitiv Eikon data show Norway is now the largest supplier of NatGas to Europe, surpassing Russia, which has slashed Nord Stream capacity to just 20%. By Wednesday, the pipeline will undergo a surprise three-day shutdown for ‘maintenance’ work.
Norwegian petroleum & energy minister Terje Aasland expects production levels can be sustained through the decade as new projects are coming online. This is undoubtedly a relief for the energy-stricken continent.
“I expect that we can maintain the production levels we are at now until 2030.
….
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

LOL. Europe was getting 2X the amount of gas from Russia as it was getting from Norway. Good luck getting all 3X from Norway now! What a bunch of incorrigible morons!

Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
So the Vikings are going to do the rest of Europe again, just like a thousand years ago? Norwegian, the language of diplomacy in the Europe of the future. What a thought.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
The best solution is to exponentially increase the pressure on Russia and force them to capitulate sooner rather than later.
——–
‘Slower burn.’ Russia dodges economic collapse but the decline has started
Analysis by Clare Sebastian, CNN
Mon August 29, 2022
London(CNN Business) Six months after invading Ukraine, Russia is bogged down in a war of attrition it didn’t anticipate but it is having success on another front — its oil-dependent economy is in a deep recession but proving far more resilient than expected.
“I’m driving through Moscow and the same traffic jams are there as before,” says Andrey Nechaev, who was Russia’s economy minister in the early 1990s.
The readiness of China and India to snap up cheap Russian oil has helped, but Nechaev and other analysts say Russia’s economy has started to decline and is likely facing a prolonged period of stagnation as a consequence of Western sanctions.
On the surface, not much has changed, bar a few empty storefronts that once housed Western brands that have fled the country in their hundreds. McDonalds (MCD) is now called “Vkusno i tochka”, or “Tasty, and that’s it” and Starbucks (SBUX) cafes are now gradually reopening under the barely disguised brand Stars Coffee.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

LOL. This reminds me of the bullcrap that Tom Friedman was selling about the Iraq war. He kept saying that victory was “just six months away”. He did that for 10 years. So much so that people coined the term “Friedman Unit” (FU for short!) – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_Unit

KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
It’s from CNN. So it’s likely the opposite is true.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
You can’t force thme to capitulate … the economic war has proved a boomerang, Russia will adapt and slowly develop industry to replace former imports. They have their own aerospace, airplane, machine, military, electronics sectors, etc. Why were American astronauts hitch-hiking rides with Russian rockets? Their missile technology is at least a decade ahead of anybody.
Militarily they are the stronger party. Nato and even USA is being depleted of stocks.
Russia may even move from a special operation to more full-blown version of war, if necessary.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
So some companies abandoned Russian businesses and the Russians stepped in and are successfully running the same businesses?
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Option 6 courtesy of Twitter
Added to the post
Don’t Pay the Bill
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Funny, if I did that I’d be in the dark pretty quick. And I’d pay extra to get it back as well. However historically, far milder events have caused royal heads to become separated from their bodies. I imagine all the western powers that cower are thinking of just that. Except for Biden, he’s too busy with nap time.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Are you saying the British are “quiet quitting” their electric bills? Oh no! It’s spreading…
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
So the EU has gone full blown Marxist!!!
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Not yet, not yet.
Be patient.
FooFooFed
FooFooFed
3 years ago
Gerard Schroeder sold Europe to Russia for a few million dollars. His government guaranteed $1 billion in Nordstream One just weeks before he was voted out and days before he joined NS1 as their CEO. He then became Chair of the Board of Russia’s largest oil producer Rosneft 1/3
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  FooFooFed
nothing wrong with it !
FooFooFed
FooFooFed
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
?
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  FooFooFed
Hunter Biden is at the board of Burisma …..
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  FooFooFed
Germany could open NS2 tomorrow and sign a 30 year contract for discounted gas, but they have to learn the hard way.
Schroeder was visionary, securing a future for low natural resources Europe.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Wow, this is the first major Ukraine chicken coming home to roost. Heaven knows how many more will follow 🙁
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
At least 2 more by the end of the year:
Food (when there is no harvest)
Refugees (continuing daily)
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Got oil and gas stocks?
Today was a great day to buy, if you have missed out so far.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
  • Subsidies are BS. No matter how much money you give to consumers, there will not be more gas, so you are just putting a fire under the bidding process. Politicians reveal themselves to be the most obtuse Econ 101 students ever.
  • Capping prices at something close to production costs can work and alleviate short-term dislocations, but of course, can only be implemented with rationing, which is another form of poverty. Such a scheme would be an emergency measure to avert even worse outcomes, but obviously can only be short-term, since nothing will be happening to the underlying conditions.
  • Models forecasting slight drops in GDP are, like the politicians, unrealistic. Energy, steel, fertilizer (completely off line), aluminum, chips, palladium, chemical precursors, asphalt, food … they might all seem like lowly bulk materials with little added value, but heh, just see how much added-value you can produce without drinking water and eating once in a while. The economy will absolutely fall apart. Supply chain problems are nothing compare to missing basic raw materials.
  • Dropping the sanctions & signing long-term contracts is the only viable course of action, but the EU elites are, well, too elitist.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
I wanted to write about long-term contracts, but you pre-emptied me.
The regime of competitive spot price was invented by the Brussels brain trust to counter Gasprom even before the current open hostilities. So the idea of cutting the dependence on Russian gas is not new, and coming from the institution that can with justification be called the invention of CIA and state department to rule over European vassals.
The mechanisms are certainly subtle than that and can be analysed at length, but the results speak for themselves.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
The EU can’t go against the US. Not with our bases in their countries. But yeah, they are a bunch of clowns.
phil
phil
3 years ago
some of the world’s biggest economies, and companies in those those economies, are being torpedoed. Listing ships. How can they put in orders for goods from US companies, like all the big tech and medium tech. Write the list: Microsoft, adobe, oracle, autodesk, ad infinitum. This will not be on the five o’clock news, guaranteed.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Meanwhile, the Biden administration is so concerned about inflation here it is considering a ban on US energy exports.
So finally America has reached it’s goal, making Europe dependent on US energy instead of Russian energy, and within the year, the Americans are proving they are infinitely less reliable than the Russians, who supposedly cannot be trusted, but have never in 50 years reneged on contracts. Who would have known?
Obviously the Putin model is superior to the neoliberal market model: Putin has been saying for years that Europeans can get gas at double discounts if they sign long-term contracts. Now Europe is finding out that the US or Qatar, or the UAE are also demanding longer term contracts: How else can they amortize the billions in infrastructure investments with significant time ramps to production? Of course you are better locking in prices for future delivery … that is why things like leases exist, so that parties are not subject to daily market fluctuations which often do not produce more supply.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
So finally America has reached it’s goal, making Europe dependent on US
energy instead of Russian energy, and within the year, the Americans are
proving they are infinitely less reliable than the Russians, who
supposedly cannot be trusted, but have never in 50 years reneged on
contracts. Who would have known?

Very, very, VERY good point!

8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Brent, down from 140 to 90, Natgas up tenfold. F*ck the Green & EV. Murphy law : new exogenous causes might start in Sept/ Oct to
put Europe on it’s knees, bleed US
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
where you getting your prices???
Brent 100+
Its WTI oil hanging in the 90’s range
JFYI not all oil is sold at WTI oil prices in the USA!!!!
WTI = West Texas Institute, ie oil coming out of the ground in Texas!!!
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Intermediate.
West Texas Intermediate.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Hey Europeans, a question. This will be a bit long, but hopefully worthwhile.

I look at wholesale futures at 84 cents (euro and USD for the moment) per kWh ($840/MWh divided by 1,000) and wonder how that translates into residential retail rates. In the United States, you can multiply the wholesale power price (either self-generated by the utility or purchased by 2 to 2.5 to reflect the cost of maintaining local distribution networks and utility operations.

Example: Where we live, the rate is $20/month for a connection + 9.63 cents/kWh. Most Americans don’t know what their electric rates are, mainly because the bills are so complicated. Not so where we are. No time of day rates (a three-card monte scheme) or various other add-ins.

So back to that $840 perMWh / 84 cents per kWh in Germany. This implies $2.10 per kWh next year, but I can’t imagine it. So, kids on the other side of the Atlantic, would you care to tell us how much you pay for electricity, how it’s calculated, and how much it changes? I cannot believe that you’ll pay $2.10/kWh. Last time I looked at Germany before this situation, the typical rates there were about $0.35/kWh. But I have low confidence in that number.

Can anyone explain, and this one time do so without any editorializing? I would really appreciate unadorned facts on this. Thanks.

Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
My current electricity rate is 27.5pence per KWH plus a standing charge if that helps. It’ll be going up a lot next month, 80% supposedly. Haven’t got my gas to hand.
It’s currently capped which is reviewed every 3 months so there’s a lag in the price rises.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Thanks for the answer. I appreciate it. Okay, that would be $0.32/kWh. An 80% increase would be $0.576/kWh. Is that “standing charge” the same as a connection fee, i.e., a flat rate no matter how much you use? How much is that charge? In any case, if that’s what it goes to, I predict that plenty of Brits will freeze to death this winter. You folks are in for a bumpy ride.
How are dwellings heated there? In the U.S., it’s a combination of things, with the mix depending on where you are. Lots of natural gas, lots of heating oil (same as diesel), a fair amount of electric heat pumps. In the countryside, lots of propane and some people burn wood. There are probably still some people who burn coal, but they’d be rarities nowadays. Coal was much more common 100 years ago.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
My standing charge for electric is a flat 36p per day.
Just looked at the gas, that’s 7p per KWH plus a 25p per day standing charge.
Most households use gas to heat homes. Electric and gas for cooking.
It’s going up in October and then another massive rise in January if something doesn’t change. As you say there’s going to be a lot of strife and businesses will be hit badly. I think it’s worse on the.continent though, particularly Germany.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
I was trying to do the numbers, but I gave up after realizing that I’ve just had two Manhattans and a cannabis cookie. I’ll try tomorrow. LOL
TheBigRoastBeefFrog
TheBigRoastBeefFrog
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Some prices are over 1€ a kWh. But people need to chillout. Habeck (Fundamentalist Green Party) want to shut down the last three nuclear powerplants end of this year. 🤣 Explanation: it is only 4% of total production. Nobody can grasp how incompetent our government is.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It depends on your provider, mine is ENGI : electricity costs 0,35(day tarif), night tarif s 0,25 euro/kwh, Gas costs 0,13 euro /kwh Looks like engi is quite economic , other providers like Totalenergy seem to charge 30% or 40% more check ” Prijs elektriciteit kwh in Belgie 2022″ the same for gas .
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It’s complicated by government schemes, so there are extra tax charges on gas, there are a bunch of taxes in there, you pay for the connection and for network maintenance. Then you get a temporary rebate for the extra gas taxes (which is supposed to encourage people to get off gas), applied against electricity costs.
Most people here use gas for heating, hot water, cooking, but washing machines use electricity for hot water (quite a draw, along with the refrigerator).
  • I am paying about €0.32 /KWh, but because of the rebates and my solar panels, I’m paying less than zero for electricity.
  • For gas I’m paying €0,76/m³ (plus taxes).
  • I am on a long term contract (4 years from 2020).
  • I only use about 40% as much gas as they say I should (600m³); the kids have moved out.
  • My variable cost gas/electricity is actually less than half the bill.
  • I’m paying about €60/month for 120m² house, suitable for 5-6 person household by norms here, and I get money back each year.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Looks like Europe is on the precipice of a depression.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Two German Greens ministers get together…
“Putin thinks he can cripple our economy.
Tough luck.
We were faster.”
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
One Russian to another: “The sanctions don’t seem to be working.”
Other Russian: “But they are. Only as a boomerang.”
ohno
ohno
3 years ago
Idiots in charge=you pay more.
Or you don’t pay at all because you can’t. People are going to die over this. Pretty sure there will be mass uprisings.
Things in the US are getting better by the day. I noticed our county treasurers office is now under security lock down. Those dam taxes I curse them all the time I’m sure they’ve heard many complaints.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  ohno
The next deaths will be on account of vigilantism, caused by what the “progressives” in the cities have done to the police. Every day, it’s becoming clearer that there simply aren’t enough cops to respond to even emergencies. Kyle Rittenhouse was the pebble in front of a landslide.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Plenty of cops were in ulvade. Cops have no obligation to protect the people. They are there to (selectively) enforce the law and to collect revenue for the state. Who says such nonsense? The Supreme Court of Injustice.
I put selectively in parentheses because they are allowed to be selective, that just wasn’t in the ruling.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Cops exist to find out what happened.
After it has happened.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Around here that’s a pretty easy job since it’s them a lot of the time. The joys of Florida!
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
What a completely WORTHLESS, SHAMEFUL bunch of USELESS bungling IDIOTS we ”enjoy” within the perimeters of our makeshift FAIRWEATHER CIRCUS called THE FCKN EU !! Thank gowd, the way things are, it defiinitely won t last forever , each country is about to defend its own interests, taking into account its respective national constituency … To begin with the fckn US OF A should get its immensely bloated fat a$$ out of our european territory for fckn once and for fckn all…. PLEASE ! ?..if Russia wants to invade us , so be it, at least we ll have plenty of gas and oil …The US of A fcked up the Middle East and big parts of Africa, look at what s going on in Iraq, LIbya, Syria these days, to mention just a few……FCK OFF USA ! … is all I got to say ….it rhimes ….doesn t it ?
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Your government was complicit. All of them were.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
The Biden price hike!
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Sadr in the green zone.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Are you drunk again? LOL
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
wouldn t you drink under the circumstances ? We are 10 hours later now, a cup of coffeee so far, I think I expressed myself quite well, Brussels style , but quite OK ….. Now I go for a run in the nearby forest ….Wish you a nice day too …
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
They should put Orban in charge. And let him do whatever he wants. Problem would be solved within 6 months.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Europe would be a much happier & better place if NAtO disbanded and the American military presence were ended, along with their politics.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
So Russia invades the Ukraine and conquers the world. Things will go to hell in a handbasket, but at least the idiotic governments will collapse. And then things will get better. Especially once you consider that none of this crap would have been possible without government. It’s most definitely not a necessary evil. It’s just evil.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
The Russians cant even beat the Ukranian army. How the heck are they going to go toe to toe with the armies of Germany and/or France which are MUCH better armed than are the Ukranians?
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
They don’t need an army. They’re destroying them with a pipeline. What good are their weapons if they can’t get the fuel to transport the troops? Europe has already been defeated. War is far more complicated than you think.
Denver1
Denver1
3 years ago
Where are those famous young Americans (hint they are related to John Kerry and Joe Biden) who served as Board Members of Ukraine’s Burisma Gas Co during the Obama years? Who would have thought gas would be so important to Brussels and Ukraine then (except maybe Hunter Biden), when US and Euro overthrew the Ukraine Russia leaning, elected President and went with the US Ambassador Nuland pick? But now, Gas is really important.
Maybe in the end a Trade War of sanctions, boycotts and trade and currency destruction is better than calling up US and Euro young to give their lives for a war against the Russians, Chinese, etc. But, the present path of causalities may create even more dead and wounded for Brussels and London. They use to be called friendly fire incidents, but never before totally made up of civilians.
Draftee, US Army, 1969.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago

Maybe we’ll nationalise the North Sea Gas fields and ramp up production, would that work/help? -:)

HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
No. How could a government run operation ever be an improvement? Government causes problems, it never solves them. At least not to the benefit of the people.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I’d generally agree, but they could restrict the supply to the local population at a price they can afford rather than sell it to the highest bidder couldn’t they? And they could increase production if possible and necessary?
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
That would only hide the costs. The state would be paying more for less due to incompetence and graft. The difference in the price overtly charged would be offset by the rise in taxes to pay for that discount. Make no mistake; the system that created the problem is not going to resolve it in a way that benefits the people. Also, government is never more efficient than the market. It doesn’t understand business. It will not make it easier in any way at all. To make it as simple as possible, the best case scenario with government running the show is just an extra step in the process. A step filled with endless reams of useless paperwork. And I’m being kind to the state with this explanation.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
All true but would the more for less it’d pay due to incompetence outweigh the savings it’s people would make by buying at say 2019 prices. They made a profit at those prices?
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
The people won’t save Jack. Nationalizing it will only increase the costs. Period. And collapse your government even faster. Socialism is the ultimate monopoly. Giving the government absolute monopoly in anything is a recipe for disaster.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Our railways used to be better when they were nationalised. -:)
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot

And your taxes were enormous piles of graft. Thinking like you are thinking is why your country is completely screwed. Your trains cost a lot more to operate as well. Government just hides the costs in taxes. As I explained earlier. Please, I’m typing on a cellphone, asking the same question twice is both rude and stupid. Learn some basic economics. I’m done.

Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I was just being the Devils Advocate.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
It worked in Venezuela, so why wouldn’t it work here? LOL
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
The work of Government is to take from the people.
Charge a fee for Administrative costs.
Then give to specially selected people.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
The first question is, why do you think the private sector doesn’t do it?
In UK, you receive natural gas from Norway which is a deep sea extraction, i.e. the rig is on the sea bottom.
Why do you think you have cheaper, more accessible gas?
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
The current sale price can’t be anywhere near the cost of extraction otherwise it would have been this high before Russia invaded Ukraine wouldn’t it?
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
There is a lot of natural gas on Europe. Problem is the stupid greens there along with their Russian supporters got drilling (what they call fracking) banned.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Would take years to ramp up, and not enough for decades.
Pete Venkman
Pete Venkman
3 years ago
They should close a few more nuclear plants. Idiots.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
One of my beefs with this site is I cannot read the history of posters. One post that I would like to dig up would be a post of Dougs saying that all this energy stuff in Europe is exagerated. He also sees the US as the saviour in bringing its limited natural gas supplies to save Europe.
I see a complete meltdown in Europe and I think Ive questioned Doug before on I fail to understand how he comes to his conclusions?
Anyway for anyone interested just google pubs shutting down in the UK and you get a jist of whats happening and representative of energy costs going through the roof.
I also read somewhere that if US energy costs were the same as France, it would cost you $100 to charge your EV, not sure if thats true or not.
Anyway I also follow a UK blog turbulententtimes and that blog certainly does not paint a pretty picture of whats going on in the UK.
Like I said, winter is coming, grab the popcorn and watch Europe disintegrate and a great deal of it is self inflicted for right wing ultranationalists,( I call them something else) in Ukraine.
The US may also be facing some gas issues this winter depending on how things play out and the call to limit gas exports will increase. And again Australia is looking at limiting LNG exports to ensure supply at home.
Interestingly enough dont know about what people think about the farmers almanac but their calling for an above than usual colder winter. Also La Nina is supposedly to bring about an colder winter than normal. Many will no doubt be watching the weather this year.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
You should copying down everything I write. Furthermore you should be verifying on your own what I say. It will make your life easier.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Im having difficulty verifying when you said that all this energy crisis talks in Europe is exagerated. Any reply to what Mish has posted above?
And to top it off, a lot of this could have been prevented just by putting Nord Stream II on line.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
It is one o’clock in the morning here so I prefer to take this up tomorrow.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Yeah, the impending collapse of the EU is hardly a matter of concern. Not that the US will survive either. Energy is the foundation of our civilization, how could exponential rises in its cost be a problem? I can’t believe I even felt the need to write this.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
THE END IS NIGH! THE END IS NIGH! PAY HEED SINNERS!
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
I posted this comment in the last post but worth repeating. Goldman projects 22% UK inflation next year. Oh you Brexit bimble.
“In a research note dated Monday, Goldman said headline inflation could peak at 22.4% and gross domestic product could drop by 3.4% if energy costs keep rising at their current pace.”
As I mentioned a while back the next stage is rationing. I don’t know if it will be food or energy first but it will come. I won’t be surprised if there is labor conscription at some point a year or two from now. It seems to be happening in Canada now.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Nothing surprises me about this clown world anymore.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I boldly predict EU inflation will be near on their inflation too!!!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
That comment isn’t even coherent. Get thee to Facebook or Reddit. LOL
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
How would remaining in the EU help the UK.
Does the EU have energy to spare?
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
I was always under the impression that brexit would solve all of the UK’s problems. Wasn’t BoJo going to negotiate the ultimate trade deals with the US, just throw in cheap energy into the mix…oh wait BoJo is gone now. Too bad.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
You may it sound like Brexit was claimed to be a unicorn – LOL.
Neither remaining nor leaving would have made 1 iota of difference with regards to energy. The only thing that mattered was the decision to sanction Russia.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
This is terrible as I am dependent upon the export (at reasonable prices) of Marmite, HP Sauce and Branston Pickle.

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