Germany’s Climate Protection Minister Mandates More Coal to Produce Electricity

German Press Release 

Please note Habeck’s Press Release on Reducing Natural Gas Consumption.

Gas Reduction in Electricity Sector

“The situation on the gas market has deteriorated in recent days. The missing quantities can still be replaced, and the gas storage tanks are still being filled, albeit at high prices. Security of supply is currently guaranteed. But the situation is serious. We are therefore further strengthening precautions and taking additional measures to reduce gas consumption. This means that gas consumption must continue to fall, so more gas must be stored in storage, otherwise things will get really tight in winter. We will now take the next steps. For months we have been in the process of sharpening tools, creating new ones and removing existing obstacles. We are accelerating the expansion of renewable energies in an unprecedented way, we are pushing through the storage of gas and driving the expansion of LNG terminals and energy efficiency measures. The urgency of these tasks determines our ongoing work. Now we’re going to pull out and use another set of tools. We will reduce gas consumption in the electricity sector and in industry and force storage tanks to be filled. Depending on the situation, we will take further measures.”

“With the law, we are setting up a gas replacement reserve on demand. And I can already say: We will call off the gas replacement reserve as soon as the law comes into force. That means, to be honest, more coal-fired power plants for a transitional period. That’s bitter, but in this situation it’s almost necessary to reduce gas consumption. We must and we will do everything we can to store as much gas as possible in summer and autumn. The gas storage tanks must be full in winter. That has top priority,” said Habeck.

Rapid Expansion of LNG Infrastructure

Germany has not yet had a port where liquid gas can be landed. However, this is necessary in order to strengthen the gas supply from non-Russian sources and thus become independent of Russian imports. The federal government is therefore pushing ahead with the construction of so-called floating LNG terminals. First, it has secured four special ships, so-called FSRU , on which liquid gas is converted back into gas. Secondly, with onLNGAcceleration Act, it has created the legal prerequisites to accelerate the construction of the necessary connections on land so that two of the four FSRU ships can go into operation in winter and thusLNGcan be fed into the German gas supply network. Everyone involved is working hard on this.

Only Temporary?!

Those are two of seven points of Habeck’s plan. He notes storage tanks are only 56% full. 

Not to worry, that’s ahead of a year ago. But a year ago Germany was getting 100% of the gas it wanted from Russia. Now it’s only getting 40% of the gas it was getting a year ago.

That means it will take 2.5 times as long to fill up the tanks, thus the need to ration natural gas and use coal.

Transitional to What and When?

Well, don’t worry. This is only temporary. 

Heaven only knows until when. Meanwhile, Germany is rushing to build floating LNG terminals. 

That gas will come from where? 

20% of US LNG Capacity Went Offline on June 8

On June 8, an explosion at the Freeport LNG facility in Texas knocked out 20% of US LNG production.

The outage sent US gas futures down 18% from the price a day before the fire.  European gas prices shot up by over 60%.

US Natural Gas Futures on June 14 courtesy of Trading Economics.

Since then, US prices have fallen nearly 60 cents to $6.71.

Spotlight on Sanctions

No Parts, No Gas

Global Natural Gas Flow

Yet again, I keep returning to the following picture. 

Global map from Nations Online Project, annotations by Mish

Instead of getting natural gas from hundreds of miles away over existing pipelines we compress natural gas in the US then ship it 4,700 miles away Europe.

Meanwhile, Russia fearing eventual European cutoff is building new pipelines to China.

De-globalization is underway. A key ramification is higher inflation.

For further discussion, please see De-Globalization: New Supply Chains Are Inefficient and Will Drive Up Inflation

We have economic illiterates running the country and running the Fed. The average Joe is getting killed.

Dear President Biden, the above charts speak for themselves. If you want to lower inflation, stop the sanctions.

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effendi
effendi
1 year ago

A couple of years ago Belgium, Poland and Germany held the 11th, 12th and 16th spot worldwide for nitrogen fertiliser production.Over 5 million tons. Bet those plants are mothballed and will never reopen. Meanwhile Russia will take the gas they used to sell to those countries and either export it to other countries or continue to value add and convert it to fertiliser itself. So the EU can pretend they can import less Russian gas as they import more fertiliser from Russia made with that same gas and adjust the balance of payments even more in Russias favour.

Wonder if the laid off workers in the EU fertiliser plants are cheering on the sanctions?
kewtiepie
kewtiepie
1 year ago
You are poor in spirit: you’re poor in your conscience, and you think by trashing the planet it’s going to make your shale oil Business boom, when all that did was crash! You don’t get to have it both ways! You don’t get to be so selfish like you are and then deny climate change because you’re invested in a horrible industry that destroys clean drinking water for indigenous people on their sovereign land. You get your come uppance from stuff like that, and you know it, and you already are getting your comeuppance!
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
We all know “temporary” is an Orwellian word.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
….the same in the Netherlands and Austria, even Italy considering this ‘climate friendly’ alternative…..LOL !!! The brain death EU is now drowning in the US created cesspool….Well, not surprising actually, with reptiles for leaders only thinking about the next elections and/or the next overpaid cushy job….oh yeah before I forget ….France has mostly nuclear power, which is fn great of course, if it weren’ t for the fact that 50% of uranium rods come from ….RUSSIA ! LOL again
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
It must be frustrating for you that many European countries are finding alternatives to Russian oil and gas. Now you are clutching on the straw of Russian uranium to save Russia. You forget that uranium can be found in other countries and that uranium fuel stocks are high giving lots of time to find alternative sources.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Forget Russia for a second. Europe does not have “lots of time,” and the Germans know it. LNG is a weak sister in supply terms, and those other alternatives cannot come on anywhere close to fast enough to be viable substitutes. Next winter is going to be quite grim in Europe, and it won’t just be one winter either.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
“Next winter is going to be quite grim in Europe, and it won’t just be one winter either.”
Agreed x 1000. It will be quite grim this winter, next winter, the winter after that and the winter after that and the winter after that, and on and on.
Europe is done.
They do have Nordstream 2 at their doorstep ready to provide natural gas right now. European politics will be interesting. They could have easily signed a 25 year natural gas contract with Russia and enabled their citizens to prosper into the future. Instead the political elite have chosen to let their populace freeze and economy implode. On top of that, the natural gas in Nordstream 2 would not have been subject to transit fees.
I believe the Russians are done with the Europeans and will let them implode.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Don’t forget that Russia is imploding too. If I had to pick between Europe and Russia, it wouldn’t be Russia, that’s for sure.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Really ? Russia is a debt free nation and doesn t ‘enjoy’ the, unaffordable social wellfare system, European countries are drowning in…..
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
How is the social fabric of America holding up under Trump/Biden?
effendi
effendi
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
When the EU comes grovelling to Russia to turn on N2 the Russians will be in a position to demand long term contracts at a much higher price than they would of dreamed of a year ago and expect payments in roubles.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I wonder if there is any regret in Germany for Merkel’s well thought out ban on nuclear energy. Probably the most green energy around but politicians don’t have the balls to recommend it because the ignorant sheep might not understand.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
“You forget that uranium can be found in other countries and that uranium fuel stocks are high giving lots of time to find alternative sources.”
Hows that working? Lots of time to find alternative sources?
French Nuclear Outages Risk Making Europe’s Gas Crisis Worse – BNN Bloomberg

(Bloomberg) — The cost of electricity in France jumped, adding to Europe’s gas woes, as depressed nuclear output squeezes the market.

France’s nuclear reactors are operating at less than half their full capacity and this week have produced the least electricity at this time of year since at least 2008, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The country, where warm weather is already making it tougher to cool the fleet of reactors, is importing power from neighboring countries like the UK, which historically has taken energy from France.

Electricity generation from state-run Electricite de France SA, the continent’s largest producer of atomic energy, is struggling under lengthy maintenance of its aging fleet and risks heightening the continent’s dependence on gas, which is in short supply. The company may now need to import power from neighbors in winter, straining wider European supply and burdening consumers with higher costs.

The market is pricing in a large risk premium to electricity early next year because of the low nuclear forecast, according to Sabrina Kernbichler, a power analyst at S&P Global Commodity Insights. Energy markets are also bracing for Germany to step up its emergency energy plan following recent gas cuts to Europe, she said.

Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
France has several years of nuclear fuel on hand and the reactors you mentioned are undergoing maintainice which results in them coming back online when finished. When that happens there will be plenty of electricity to sell to other countries. You somehow keep hoping that Europeans will come back and beg forgiveness but that is not going to happen ever. Russia is an unnecessary country now to Europe and dealing with them is a waste of time. Putin sold to the Russians and a few others the idea that Europe needs Russian energy and minerals so much that if Russia pushes Europe would tremble and cave into their demands. That did not happen. Russia is just another raw materials producer like many other countries in the world.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Comrade Yoda! Mother Russia urgently require your defense! Report to front immediately or Comrade Putin will take potato from relatives of you! They will have nothing to put in outhouse!
Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
1 year ago
Was it a loss of production, or a loss of export capacity?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
In the 70’s when there was an oil embargo and ARAMCO was confiscated, we didn’t invade the Desert Kingdom, because NATO needed
Saudi oil “to face” USSR and fight in Vietnam. There was some kind of petrto dollar deal, Nixon resigned and king Faisal was shot in 1975, so who cares, we extracted oil from Alaska, the gulf of Mexico, the N. Sea, Siberia… Within few years inflation tank, not because of Paul Volcker act , but because of Glut, oil Glut, ex Oct 1991 spike, when USSR collapsed. It lasted until the Dec 1998 when WTIC reached 10.35 testing Apr 1986 low @9.75, before moving up to 147 in 2008.
King Kol is back. Innovation in mini nukes will provide energy to every region in the word, .
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Innovation in mini nukes will distribute deadly long-term radionucleide pollution to every region of the world.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Dutch politicians are all over the map denying that the Netherlands will start producing gas again in the coming winter.
Here’s a safe bet: Their resolve will buckle and gas production will return.
The Dutch first discovered gas in 1948 in Coevorden (hence Captain Vancouver, etc., Van ‘from’ Coeverden ‘Couver’).
Subsequent drilling turned up 2.8 trillion m³ (100 trillion cu ft) in Slochteren, Groningen (pronounced with an aspirated fricative gutteral sound, 3× ‘ghh’, which can handily function as a shibboleth).
The Dutch produced as much as possible (most for export while energy prices were low), planning to expand the number of nuclear power plants to 38 and assuming the future of energy was nuclear anyways.
Because of ground subsidence (and 85% depletion) and consequent earthquakes and damage to buildings/infrastructure, they have been trying to stop/choke the gas supply for more than a decade, with increasing success.
Now you know why the Dutch TTF energy futures are the benchmark price of natural gas throughout Europe.
This is also the origin of the term ‘Dutch’ disease for economies distorted by revenue gluts from easy energy/resources.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
For two decades Russia developed a vaccine against the deadly Dutch Disease. Putin is immune. Their energy production/ consumption is #2
in the world.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Now it’s only getting 40% of the gas it was getting a year ago.
That means it will take 2.5 times as long to fill up the tanks,
This is not accurate. The filling of underground reservoirs has to be done with surplus gas. A proportion of the imported gas is going to industry and electricity generation, so the proportion left for filling up reserves is considerably less than 100%. For the sake of argument, let us say that 50% of the gas is being used for industry (fertilizer, petro-chemicals, hydrogen, etc.) & electricity generation in the summertime, leaving 50% for filling. A reduction to 40% leaves no margin for filling reserves at all.
The fact that they need to fall back on extra coal generation already points to the fact that there are no margins.
It remains ironic to stoke coal because you dissed nuclear “for the environment”.
ZZR600
ZZR600
1 year ago
I live in the UK and I can promise you this sanctions idiocy is killing us. Gas + electric bills are now ~10% median take home pay. Further hikes are expected in the autumn. Petrol and diesel are probably another 10% or so of take home pay. Council tax (this is a tax levied which varies depending on where you live) is about 6-7%. Pre-school childcare can easily eat up >50% of a salary.
If you are married and your spouse works full time, it takes the pressure off, but the UK has low unemployment so there are no further options for increased pay to compensate for these increasing prices. (there are only so many hours in the day!)
More full time workers are opting for gig-economy part time work to make ends meet, but these jobs pay a miserly rate.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  ZZR600
“I live in the UK and I can promise you this sanctions idiocy is killing us. Gas + electric bills are now ~10% median take home pay.”
Yes, unfortunately it looks to get worse in the very near future. Bank of England say 11% inflation in October.
BOE, “Inflation will hit 11% in October – Interest Rate Rise to 1.25%” – YouTube
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
If inflation hits 11%, we can know this much: 1.25% is a joke.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  ZZR600
Don’t worry. It’s transitory.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Transient as life itself, fleeting and vanishing as the grass of the fields (Psalm 90).
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  ZZR600
You thought you were free when you exited from Europe. Or at least voted to. Without realizing you also had to escape from the US to be really free to make your own decisions.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Pooty poot wont invade if you let him rule you remotely.
Perfectly ok…
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I remember when the baseball All Star Game was moved from Atlanta.
SleemoG
SleemoG
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The very definition of empire. Same as it ever was.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Russian threats against Lithuania cannot turn into action unless Russia goes, um, “non conventional.” Why? Because Russia’s demography is an unfolding disaster that, at minimum, would take 60 years to turn around. The operation in Ukraine is decimating not just Ukraine but Russia. It’s a fight between two cancer patients, one of which has nukes.

If Russia invades Lithuania because they’ve blocked trains into to that exclave, they will fail for lack of sufficient conventional military resources, the most basic of which are boots on the ground. They simply don’t have enough fighting men to do it. Short of nukes, the only way Putin can get around it is to supply Koliningrad by sea. Can they do it? I don’t know.

Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Which correlates with the 200,000 Ukranian kids they snatched. I wonder if they’ll even wait till they’re 18 to send them into Lithuania? I guess that depends on how fast the brainwashing takes.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The Russians are going to send Ukrainian conscripts to Lithuania? Where do you get your mushrooms, because I want to see in colors too. By the way, Ukraine’s demographics are almost as catastrophic as Russia’s.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Looks like he is following the US playbook
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Putin is no Barbarossa Hitler, who let 350,000 British expedition force doing nothing on the Rhine under Chamberlain to escape from Dunkirk, declared a war on US, before invading Russia and Ukraine. Churchill was saved. We used his 350×350 little island as launch pad and from Africa, with USSR to crush Hitler.
In 1945 USSR stretch from Tokyo to Berlin and we got the rest. The cold war was a fake convenient for both two superpowers….
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
This was a Sh*tskreig. Slow, incompetent and wasteful, but the result will be the same.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Europe has shot itself in the head with sanctions and the social unrest is just beginning. If this were a baseball game, I wouldnt even describe it as the first pitch has even been thrown yet. The first batter and pitcher are still warming up. European politics will be interesting in the years ahead. Grab the popcorn.
Thousands protest the rising cost of living crisis in Ireland – YouTube
Cost of Living: Thousands march in London to protest rising bills – YouTube
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
I disagree. Europe shot itself a long time ago by becoming so dependent on Russian oil and gas that Putin could take advantage of the situation. They are now attempting to fix that mistake.
This is a common occurrence in the modern global supply chain that developed over the last few decades. We saw that when we couldn’t get personal protection equipment at the start of the pandemic. And we see it in automakers being unable to complete their vehicles due to chip and other shortages.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
St. Reagan knew Russia for an Evil Empire… but kookaseurs know he was really a robot lizard person created by the Dark Lord Soros to betray us all.
ZZR600
ZZR600
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I’d argue that us consumers shot ourselves in the foot, as we always consider price, not cost. Ask yourself how many times you’ve opted for one item over another because of a lower price. So here we are….
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  ZZR600
Sure. Add that in too. There are way too many variables to consider. Which is why trying to pin the blame on any one person is meaningless. Better to see the big picture and figure out how to take advantage of it.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Any country in Europe is free to sign long-term contracts for Russian gas at deep discounts, as long as they pay.
Russia has never reneged on a gas contract, and has never threatened to cut off a gas customer over political disposition.
They have been very circumspect about this.
Refusal to pay (such as the Ukraine in the past and the EU at present) won’t help you with your local energy company either.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej

Sure. And what does that get Europe? They provide funds for Russia to wage war on European countries. Doesn’t sound like a great plan to me. Which is why they are looking for other alternatives now.

How about we let China develop and build all our 5G networks, electricity distribution systems, and military equipment. I hear that they would be the lowest bidder.
I like the idea of having options when it comes to being dependent on other countries for something as crucial as energy. I also like the idea of having a certain amount of independence. That is what Europe is attempting to achieve and I do not blame them.
In addition, I cannot change what they are doing, but I can try to profit from it.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
We NEVER had a fn issue with Russia ….till your desperate fn warmonging nation decided we SHOULD have one ! Europe + Russia = far too strong a combination for the likes of the fn US of A ….Pardon the f words , always happens when I am fn pissed !
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Da Comrade! Russians never have problem with Russia! All other countries think they not Russia, but Russia know better!
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Just like a fish, Europe fell for Putin’s oil and gas lure; hook, line and sinker. They are having trouble spitting it back out, now that they see their mistake. Thanks for the apology, but I am less likely to respond to you when you continuously drop f bombs.
vboring
vboring
1 year ago
A Russian attack on LNG terminals would weaken European ability to support Ukraine.
Carl_R
Carl_R
1 year ago
Reply to  vboring
It might weaken their ability to support Ukraine, but wouldn’t a direct attack on NATO make the situation catastrophically worse for everyone?
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  vboring
No “attack needed”
Shut off the gas.
Where the H is the EU going to get enough LNG from?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
They were getting a lot from the US. Though the recent refinery explosion has reduced exports to Europe somewhat. Which lowered US natgas prices, which had been soaring until the explosion.
Similarly, the US is importing a lot of gasoline from Asia and Europe, as we no longer have enough refining capacity to meet our own demand levels.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
No way can the U.S. ship enough LNG to Europe to rescue them.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
You are correct. But since Europe sends us gasoline, we can reciprocate by sending them “some” of our natgas. It is important to share with each other. They will have to get more from the middle east. And find other ways to substitute. I imagine that Canada might be able to help Europe as well by sending more gas through the US. I don’t think Canada has an LNG export terminal.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It’ll be roughly as significant at those photo-op imports of baby formula, but less so.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I think over 11 billion cubic feet per day is significant. With plans to increase it far beyond that.
Too bad about that LNG terminal explosion. That dropped it back to just under 10 bcf/day.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
From the Natural Gas Fairy.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
I guess we really screwed-up with our lack of foresight and knee-jerk sanctions. Apparently politics demands immediate action and not so much immediate thought. Didn’t anyone notice it takes longer to build power sources than to slap on sanctions? Well the heck with the Greenies and Climate Change (hasn’t it always), let’s burn coal for the voters ’cause it may be a cold winter. Thank goodness we didn’t go a bit more down the road and dismantle more of the coal-fired power plants. And it may be that shutting down nuclear wasn’t so smart either. Will someone tell me what I should plan to do with a bunch of very expensive LNG terminals 5-10 years from now, they will be just “broken in.”
PS – I don’t like what Putin has done and continues to do. But this isn’t like shooting yourself in the foot with a pistol. This is like blowing off both legs at the knees with a shotgun. And for what it’s worth, there may be a lot of things that Russia can’t do right now. But they will learn. Russia isn’t going anywhere.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
We are in a multi-decade transition from fossil fuels to renewables. It was never going to go smoothly.
Whenever transitions this monumental happen, it always provides great investment opportunities. Ironically, the vast majority thought that the transition would favor renewables over fossil fuels. And it will in the long run. But in the short run, there were those who recognized that we were not building enough renewables to replace fossil fuels. Which means a shortage of fossil fuels, and higher fossil fuel prices. Fortunately for readers of Mish’s blog, this scenario was spelled out correctly in the previous two years. Thanks Mish!
Fish1
Fish1
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Don’t you know that e-cars don’t work and are problematic? It would be impossible to make that much electricity. The EMFs released from them will make our children sterile. Detroit automotive/ oil industry association provided the info in for my comment.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
Do you know that I don’t care?
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
Every time I get in my electric car, I die of 5g cancer.
When will I ever learn?

Fish1
Fish1
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Better get back in that ice car, our only choice…
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
Perhaps that was “too” abrupt. I’m trying to be more succinct in my comments.
Whatever issues there are with electric cars will probably be overcome with time. And I think the use of fossil fuels will result in far more deaths than the use of renewable electricity and electric cars.
I do believe that the transition to electric vehicles will take much longer than people expect and that we will be using gas and diesel vehicles for a long time yet.
Which is why I think my oil and gas investments will do well for the rest of this decade.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
Hmm. Every freight train is electric. The diesel is used to make electricity, and that’s what turns the wheels. Are the operators of the trains sterile? How about the crews of diesel-electric submarines?

I am not an EVangelist, but I do own an EV. Bought it a decade ago out of the bankruptcy of Think. The car works fine. The issue is range, but the latest EVs have ranges long enough to make them viable urban second cars. The whole EV discussion all too often winds up being a thoroughly stupid slanging match between the True Believers on both sides. Drop the wrangling, and look at EVs as vehicles with a different fuel source. They aren’t going to save the world, nor will they destroy it. They’re just cars, and should be evaluated as such.

JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I forgot to mention electric subways and trolleys. Are all the passengers sterile?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1

Most people live in a house that is chock full of electric wiring, lights, appliances etc. How about you. A cabin in the woods? How do you connect to the internet?

hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
I would think the emf issue would have been addressed. I thought there was some kind of shielding in the vehicle for that. I did ask that question once when Tesla first debuted as an auto show and the rep had no clue what I was referring to.
Dr_Novaxx
Dr_Novaxx
1 year ago
Good post! I like Weisenthal’s post on the diverging gas prices. I assumed this was happening but just hadn’t seen the graph. Continuing to hold long on LNG (Henry Hub), and maybe time to start looking at coal again. In the bigger picture, I will continue to be amused whenever another “green” wakes up and meets TINA.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Dr_Novaxx
TINA 2 FOMO
shamrock
shamrock
1 year ago
So Biden is right, Putins war is causing inflation.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  shamrock
I guess that Putin is buying up so much natural gas that he’s driving up the price.
Of course there is also global speculation in natural gas futures bidding up prices.
Actually, Biden’s proxy war is causing inflation.
Carl_R
Carl_R
1 year ago
Reply to  shamrock
Yes, of course Putin’s war is causing inflation, but it’s far from the only reason. It seems unlikely that inflation is “transitory”.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  shamrock
It’s part of it, but the 20 years of negative interest rates and pandemic money drop have a lot more influence. China is buying Russian oil, freeing up oil from other suppliers. There isn’t a shortage, but the oil companies are charging like there is.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  shamrock
it’s not causing inflation. It’s contributing to it. There are a lot of things contributing to it.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Coal is back, rejuvenated, ready to fight it’s old and depleted arch enemy Natgas – for it’s place under the sun and the dirty clouds.
Because black is beautiful. Black life expectancy will decay. People will shrink, but earth temp will cool, because the sun is blocked by the clouds and the jungles will thrive. // Natgas to the moon ==> no way.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
If we burn enough coal and produce enough particulates, we can cool the planet a tiny amount by blocking the sun with dirty air. Of course, we will also kill a lot of people with dirty air. Coal pollution does nothing for plants.
Countries prefer natural gas, unless it is unavailable or priced to the moon. As it is in Europe.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
“Meanwhile, Russia fearing eventual European cutoff is building new pipelines to China.”
More precisely Gasprom has said it has begun the design work for the new pipeline to China. This pipeline has to transit Mongolia because China insists on that route in order to avoid the troubled areas of western China. First of all the only contracts sighed are with some Mongolian companies to study the terrain the pipeline would cover and more importantly China has still not given its OK. Lastly if they start breaking ground now then the earliest the gas would flow to China would be in 2030 at the earliest and if everything went right.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
The pipeline you are referencing is the Power of Siberia2. I expect we will hear more concrete decisions when the planning and design work is complete.
Meanwhile Power of Siberia should be at full capacity in a few years.
(google)Power of Siberia: A Natural Gas Pipeline Brings Russia and China Closer (congress.gov)
“The “Power of Siberia,” the first natural gas pipeline to
bring Russian gas into China, began operations in
December 2019. The pipeline’s initial capacity, 5 billion
cubic meters (BCM), would meet 1.3% of China’s 2018
natural gas consumption. As the pipeline reaches its full
capacity of 38 BCM by 2025, natural gas likely will be able
to displace coal in China’s northwest region in the long
term.”
Meanwhile Germany has a pipeline at their doorstep ready to deliver natural gas today but the political elites prefer their people freeze and destroy their economies.
The US is not capable of supplying the European Union with natural gas needs.
At some point in the future, I have no doubt that the US will limit exports of natural gas as the US population is now aware that the more it exports, the more US consumers pay. And as well, US production will decline most definitely in the near future.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
The Power of Siberia 1 when at full capacity in 2025 will only furnish 23% of the Gas that Russia used to sell to Europe and at a lower price. Russia would like for China to replace Europe as a gas buyer but it is doubtful that China would like to become as dependent on Russian gas as Europe was since as they saw the results. They will buy some at depressed prices but will not buy in the quantities that Europe did. China will go for a mix of nuclear, coal and gas plus a big chunk of renewables. That is why China is not overly enthusiastic about the proposed pipeline over Mongolia. Otherwise they would have fast-tracked it.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Im having a hard time understanding your logic. China signed a 30 year agreement with Russia and because they saw the results in Europe in which Europe is shutting down its economy, is no longer competitive and freezing and forever short on energy going forward, they no longer want Russian energy.
Even the US which has sanctions on Russia is finding ways around its own sanctions buying Russian energy.
U.S. continues to receive Russian oil via third parties, report says (msn.com)
“Tankers laden with Russian oil are arriving at U.S. ports thanks to a loophole, industry observers say.”
“A “significant” share of Russian crude oil is being re-exported through refineries in India to the U.S. and Europe, according to the report from Helsinki-based think tank Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air.”
China is not overly enthusiastic about the proposed pipeline? Can you support this with any links stating so? Is this from CNN?
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
I don’t watch CNN but you watch MSN which I don’t read nor watch. China signed the 30 year contract because they wanted to diversify their supplies which is the logical thing to do. The absence of signed contracts is the proof of lack of interest on China’s part this far into energy crisis. I looked for solid evidence of contracts in the making but didn’t find any that gave substance. There are only contracts to study terrain. Russia completed a feasibility study and that’s it. This is no signs of urgency from China, only profuse statements of support, friendship and undying love between Putin and Xi. If you look maybe you will find something substantial where I didn’t.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
China has tremendous problems sourcing enough coal and with air pollution (public health) and climate goals.
They will certainly remain interested in supplanting coal generation with gas.
Or with nuclear, if they can build it out fast enough, setting an horizon on the useful life of gas infrastructure.
But their needs are pretty voracious … their per capita energy consumption is presently less than 40% of American.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Agreed
I would like to add that I expect America at some point in the future to limit natural gas exports. Over the last 8ish years. the oil & gas industry has been targeted and have drastically limited their exploration. I would have to look again but the US was hovering at 5 year lows in natural gas storage and this is on top of declining supplies going forward as a result of green policy.
There has been some political talk of limiting energy exports and I have no doubt in my mind that will come to fruition in the future. It would take a complete 180 by the political elite to undo years of underinvestment which has yet to occur.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Biden’s energy policy is at least as chaotic as anything Trump ever did, the main difference being that curtailing oil and gas production is a whole lot more significant than mean tweets.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Why would it be at a lower price?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Perhaps because that is how Russia is currently enticing Asian buyers to purchase their oil and gas. By offering deep discounts. And China is a good negotiator. Though it is difficult to predict how long the lower prices would be needed.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
China will be able to negotiate a lower price than what the Europeans paid. Europe was a captive client for Russia but China is not. Russia will no longer be able to sell their gas to Europe which means that they now have gas but fewer clients. China as the largest potential client knows this and since they are good businessmen know they can negotiate a lower price. Russia with gas is a distressed seller and that means big discounts to attract buyers. We see this in Russia oil which now has to offer $30 under Brent to find buyers. If Siberian 2 gets done it will only transport at most 1/4 of the gas that Russia used to sell to Europe which means the other 3/4 will be without buyers and probably remain so. The demand for LNG from Europe and the good prices they are willing to pay is stimulating LNG producers such as Qatar and others to increase supply. Nato and Nato-allied countries are making it very difficult for Russia to export its energy as well. Added together that will make Russian gas difficult to export with limited potential clients and a massive domestic oversupply. China will get Russian gas a a low price.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
The communiqué said:
The minister made it clear: “The tense situation and high prices are a direct consequence of Putin’s war of aggression against Ukraine. There is no mistake. What’s more, it’s obviously Putin’s strategy to unsettle us, drive up prices and divide us. We won’t allow that. We defend ourselves resolutely, precisely and thoughtfully.”
Germany will do everything to free itself from Russian blackmail. If they have to burn coal that they already have and that can be imported easily then they will do it. They are refurbishing the coal-burning plants because they will be used to power up during peak power needs but the power they make can also be used to replace electricity from gas. It is easier to do that to restart the nuclear plants. The Greens are for it. They know how they would fare under a Russian-influenced regime.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
To me it looks like the German government and its partners have come up with a credible and detailed plan to eliminate their dependence on Russian oil and gas in the near future. It contains concrete measures for building NG terminals quickly as well as mechanisms to send the gas to where it will be most useful when Russia cuts of the gas. Russia has itself admitted that the sanctions are working when they blamed them for not letting Siemens deliver to Russia pumps that are necessary to keep the gas flowing to Europe. Russia can’t make those pumps because they don’t know how. Problems like that are common in Russia and will get worse as Western-supplied parts break and can’t be replaced. If you look through by industry you find these problems everywhere. For example Russian trains special Cassette-type bearing to bear loads and there are three companies in Russia that makes them. Two are joint-ventures with American companies and one is a joint-venture with the world leader which is Swedish. All three have pulled out of Russia and refuse to deliver the key elements to make them. There are already several thousand wagons in depots waiting for new bearing before the invasion and now they can’t be repaired.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
You must not be an Engineer. A little rhyme I learned in college from my professors was one of the most important things I remember:
“God gave you eyes”
“Plagiarize”
Its VERY easy to copy working examples in Engineering. How do you think China got where they are? Why do you think they have patent laws?
Russia may not be making those items today (because they were able to buy them before) but they most definitely will be copying them quite soon if they are unable to get them from another source (China or the war ends and business goes back to normal).
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
A Chinese company could copy parts and then sell them to Russia of course but the company in doing so would jeopardize their present and future business with the US, Canada, the EU, Japan ect. If patents are involved then it becomes very complicated. An engineer would not see this part of the problem but his boss certainly would and he would have to decide whether the small profits in Russia is worth more than the very large profits in the rest of the developed world.
Carl_R
Carl_R
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Here’s a musical tribute to that post:
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
This assumes any engineers stay in Russia. I guess they can force them to, and build a nation of slaves like USSR. Before the hiring freeze we got a bunch of Russian resumes. Had been very rare to get one in the past.
simb555
simb555
1 year ago
Kid Horn, you shoud study history. Trump did not invade another country. Nobody stopped Hitler until he invaded Poland in 1939. Thank god we are doing something about Putin- Hitler NOW not like in 1939. Hopefully he will be stopped and defeated here, Higher gasoline prices are a small price to pay. This is my last word on this.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  simb555
Thank god it’s your last word 🙂
Anyway, no one stopped Hitler till he foolishly invaded Russia and lost. Had he not, there is no way the US and UK could have landed in Normandy with the whole German army waiting on the beach.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I think methamphetamine psychosis is what doomed Hitler. Had he stayed sane and took his time, Eurasia would be called Germany now.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Sounds like we both read “Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany” by Norman Ohler. It’s a good book.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
No, but you can see it in the way he acts in the later stages of the war, rocking and twitching. If it had gone on another couple years he would have got all sucked up and scabby like the classic methhead.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I think Hitler’s biggest error was to declare war on the United States after the U.S. declared war on Japan. It was a monumentally stupid move, and it doomed Nazi Germany. Yes, there were many other factors, but that one is at the top of the list IMO.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
The German PPI is up 34%. The gov preempt : coal is gold. The gov must do whatever it takes to preserve Natgas for the winter. They will give incentives to mfg to use less Natgas. Austria reopened a coal plant. For decades demand for coal was waning, – because Natgas producers, land right owners and wall street gangs that invested in Natgas RE – declared a war on coal, with the radical left, because coal is “DIRTY”. But now it’s back, it’s cheap, good to go and there is nothing else. Dr Angela didn’t get it. Is She stupid ?
For a decade demand for 14K jewelry is waning, because gold is too expensive, beyond reach for most consumers, unless they buy big diamonds….
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Buy only 18K jewelry. It is the most efficient.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
If Russia is shipping only 40% of Europe’s prior consumption, Europe will need that 40% to keep its factories running and the lights on right now. They won’t be refilling their storage tanks at those volumes.
simb555
simb555
1 year ago
Mish, you are wrong on this one. The average Joe gave up a lot to defeat Hitler in WWII. A thinking average Joe like myself will give up a lot today to defeat todays Hitler. Russias Dictator Putin.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  simb555
This is asinine. Putin is nothing like Hitler. Just like Trump is nothing like Hitler. Learn some history.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Who mentioned trump? Your TDS has you randomly blurting his name.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Everyone on the left said Trump was like Hitler.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
And that is relevant to the current discussion how?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Lol! Everyone? What an exaggeration!
I bet my guess will be closer than yours. How about it was more like .000000001%! Lol!
How do you expect people to take you seriously when you post stuff like that?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  simb555
Americans (we can include Canada in this too) gave up next to nothing to defeat Germany and Japan.
Europe (including Russia) and South East Asia on the other hand gave up a lot to defeat Germany and Japan. Of course that makes a lot of sense since they were directly affected via invasion.
At the moment there is no threat of invasion (other than in peoples heads) of anywhere else besides Ukraine. Russia doesn’t have the man power or military equipment to control all of Europe as they are struggling with just Ukraine.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between Stalin and Hitler in 1939 made Hitler’s invasion of Poland and then Western Europe possible in the first place. Stalin facilitated the Germans to invade his own country afterwards. Talk about a strategic bad decision, this was one of the worst.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Stalin had an army of frightened buttkissers that made him think he was infallible. Looks like PootyPoot inherited them.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Was it a bad decision?
In retrospect, Germany would have invaded Poland anyway and taken 100% of it instead of just 50%. So when Germany did attack Russia (it was always the plan rather than attacking the West) they first had to finish conquering Poland from Russia. That time (a week or two) and distance (an extra hundred or two miles) might have been the difference between Germany taking Moscow in 1941 and not taking it (they were repelled at the very gates by Winter).
Also that pact bought Russia 2 extra years to rearm it’s forces (Stalin purged most of the officers in the 30’s).
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
That’s the classic Russia view but Hitler invaded Poland only when he had Stalin on his side. He needed Stalin because he couldn’t risk a war with Russia at this point in time. The German army was untested and it was far from sure that it would perform. Hitler needed Stalin’s help and he got it. They split Poland up and Russia furnished raw materials to Germany while he conquered Western Europe. In doing so his army gained very valuable experience and by controlling most of the continent gained vast resources and manpower that subsequently proved invaluable in his attempt to conquer Russia. During that time Stalin did gain time to arm but that rearmament still fell behind that of Germany. In retrospect it would have been better for Stalin to have said he would fight if Hitler invaded Poland. France and the UK would have supported Stalin in this. It is doubtful that Germany would want to have a two-front war again. Unfortunately the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact made Stalin an ally and eliminated the risk of a two-front war. The pact contained a secret protocol that actually divided Eastern Europe into spheres of influence so it was a full alliance. When Hitler did invade two years later the first to be surprised was Molotov. Russia reaped what it had sown. Hitler was responsible for WW II but Stalin was not far behind.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Actually Stalin offered Britain/France more than 2 million soldiers to occupy Poland to stymie Hitler but was rejected so he turned to Germany (see Prelude section). So he clearly was ready to fight Germany in 39 but once he realized he would have to go it alone (France/England could barely field 200K worth of men) it made the decision to ally with Germany a much easier one.
In truth, it was the right decision for Stalin because he bought time to rearm (2 years) and territory (Poland buffer). He likely also hoped that Germany would wear itself out on the West like it did in the WWI trenches.
What he could NEVER EVER have imagined was that France and England would be knocked out of the war in a mere 6 weeks (England didn’t surrender but they also didn’t do anything offensively for 3 years until mid 42 once the US entered the war on the Western front) without wearing down the Germans in the least.
His rearming was also a huge success. The Red Army vastly outnumbered the Germans. His T34 tank was also quite superior to the Mark IVs the Germans invaded with in 41 (the Panther and Tiger didn’t enter the War till 43). The problem was the Russians fought exactly the same as the French and British did. They used tanks piecemeal instead of en-mass and more importantly, they dug in ala WWI trench warfare and ended up surrounded when the German Panzers simply encircled them. Most of the Russian forces had to surrender because they were cut off in the same way the French and British were in France.
If the Russians had fought in 41 the way they did in 43-45 (after learning hard lessons about tank use) the Germans would have been soundly defeated in 41.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Stalin was ready to fight but decided instead to join with Hitler. In 1939 Germany was not ready to take on the Russians so Hitler through diplomacy turned them into allies and eliminating the risk of a two front war. Stalin did offer to take over Poland and wanted France and the UK to agree. He knew full well that it would be rejected because France and the UK had treaties with Poland. Stalin wanted the alliance with Germany. You can say it gave Stalin two years to prepare but it also gave Germany two more years to prepare as well. By any measure Stalin’s disastrous decision caused 20 million Russian dead and could have been avoided.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
If he had fought in 39 he would have still had 20 million dead. The Russian forces were far worse off in 39 than they were in 41.
It’s abundantly clear that France/England would have been useless in a 2 front war since they were soundly defeated in 6 weeks time. Their armies were woefully unprepared for modern warfare and lacked manpower (they had a couple hundred thousand soldiers vs Germany’s millions).
On the other hand, if Stalin didn’t purge the military officers in the 30’s he might have had competent leadership in the field and been able to resist the German attack.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
In 1939 France had 900,000 regular soldiers backed by 5,000,000 reservists. The German army plus reservists at the same time numbered approximately the same. The British Expeditionary Force on the continent numbered only 200,000. Additionally Belgium had an army of 600,000 so you must add them in too. Together they handily outnumbered the German Forces. The Germans won the Battle of France not because of numbers but because of superior tactics and that was the shock because up to then the German army had only fought against a very inferior Polish army being attacked by Germany and by the Soviet Union at the same time. With the French and British armies in the west and the Soviet armies in the east it is highly doubtful that Hitler would have attacked Poland since he would have been outnumbered on two sides more than two to one. Stalin knew this but the prospect of recuperating part of Poland by allying with Hitler was just something he wanted badly to do. Hitler knew it and dangled the bait in front of Stalin and he bit. Writing off a huge and costly mistake as a strategy to gain time when it allowed the enemy to gain the same amount of time plus almost doubling his industrial stock by conquest is just a fig leaf to cover Stalin’s error. I am surprised you hadn’t researched the size of the allied armies in the west. I am surprised that you were not aware of the sizes of the armies facing Hitler in the west. It seems you had the Soviet side but not the Western European side of WW II history.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  simb555
The average Joe will?
You are delusional.
The average Joe is damn sick of US wars.
And the EU, closer it the border came up with ….. drum roll ….. a LOAN of $9 billion to Ukraine while the US GAVE $40 billion.
The average Joe is sick of this sh*t, worrying about inflation. The average “warmonger” though, ignores the threat of nuclear war.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
By the Way, even Biden is starting to back down on support. Someone in the Admin figured out prolonging the war is causing prices at the pump to rise.
Need to find the statement but there was a noticeable shift in Biden’s tone. Someone have it?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Nope. But I hear that Biden may temporarily drop gas taxes to help “the average Joe”; or maybe the average voter. Which will help keep demand for gasoline up while supply still suffers. I love it!
Got oil stocks?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
A gas tax moratorium will backfire in a major way. Where I live, gasoline is $5.70 and diesel is $6.50. The federal tax on gas is 18.3 cents, and is 24.3 cents on diesel. That’s 3.2% and 3.7%, respectively. Now look at absolute dollars rather than percentages. The other day, I paid $53 for a quarter-tank of diesel. If the federal tax were waived, it would’ve cost $51.06. A moratorium will be seen as a cheap and insulting stunt, and Biden’s already low ratings will fall further. Even the “progressives” will laugh at that one.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Cheaper is cheaper. Many people will drive an extra mile or two to save 5 cents a gallon.
I don’t care if it backfires on Biden. It will encourage demand and help keep oil and gas prices high, which is exactly what I expected to happen.
The scenario for oil companies to do well remains in place. Strong demand and weak supply. As I keep saying: I can’t change what is happening, but I can predict it and profit from it.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Biden has told some of his members to tone down the rhetoric. Russia gains territory everyday and the outcome of the war is not in doubt and never was.
Biden told Austin, Blinken to tone down remarks supporting Ukraine: report | The Hill
“Biden was not happy when Blinken and Austin talked about winning in Ukraine,” one of the sources said. “He was not happy with the rhetoric.”
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Biden rarely makes any sense, but he did make sense in February when, in so many words, he gave Putin a green light to take eastern Ukraine. The real issue there is that, for some reason, the U.S. and the EU have decided to let a Ukrainian comedian set our policies. Stupid doesn’t even begin to cover it.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
“By the Way, even Biden is starting to back down on support. Someone in the Admin figured out prolonging the war is causing prices at the pump to rise.
Need to find the statement but there was a noticeable shift in Biden’s tone. Someone have it?”
U.S. Urges Corporations To Keep Working With Russia – YouTube
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Sorry Mish. Close, but no cigar.
You are correct when you say that Biden and sanctions make things worse. But you keep missing the big picture when it comes to energy.
If you really want to find a single scapegoat, then blame Putin for starting his war. However, even he is a bit player in how things are playing out in this multi-decade story.
Today’s worldwide energy situation was inevitable, even if Putin hadn’t invaded Ukraine, which resulted in sanctions from many countries, not just the US.
And even if “Biden” and everyone else dropped all sanctions tomorrow it would only offer a temporary respite in where we are headed.
The focus of this multi-decade story should be on oil companies. After all, they are the ones who explore, discover, and produce the world’s oil, gas, and distillates.
And they have no intention of borrowing billions of dollars to expand capex spending to try to expand production. And they have told us why. Over and over. Yet no one seems to be listening.
Take refineries. They haven’t built a new refinery in the US for 30 years. And they have been shutting down older money losing refineries for decades now. And more will shut down next year, further reducing our capacity to produce gasoline, even as demand for gasoline recovers.
Like all areas of this story, they are not going to invest a lot of money to build a refinery that needs to operate for 30 years to justify its existence when it may only be needed for 10 years.
Much like tobacco, the oil industry sees a bleak future and is slowly winding down its core business while it attempts to shift to alternatives. Meanwhile, they are producing tremendous cash flows during this transition period.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Mish is talking about electricity generation. Not gasoline production.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I am talking about where we get ALL our energy from. And the majority still comes from fossil fuels. I used refineries as a single example of underinvestment in the industry as a whole. (And gasoline is just one small part of what refineries produce.)
You need to look at the big picture. Not just electricity. Not just gasoline. Not just refineries. Where will all our energy come from going forward? Right now it is largely from fossil fuels but we are transitioning to renewables over the rest of this century.
And that presents investment opportunities.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
So, why did you post only include oil companies? They produce a small pct of electricity.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I am trying to keep my posts brief because others were complaining that they were too long and that everyone understood what I was saying, so I didn’t need to go into such great detail. Apparently, some people don’t understand the obvious. So I will put in more detail in the future so that you can understand them better.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The same companies that produce oil produce natural gas. In the U.S., natural gas accounts for 35% of electricity generation.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Tobacco companies seem to be doing just fine. Their demise has been predicted for decades and yet they are stronger than ever. I suspect they will still be going strong long a hundred years from now.
The energy situation on the other hand is inevitable as you have stated due to fossil fuels running down (economically more than physically). However the situation has been exacerbated by foolish political decisions both in the US and EU. What we are seeing now did not have to come to pass.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Agree. Up till your last sentence. This was coming anyway. Putin, Biden, et al simply accelerated the timeline.

Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
blame Putin for starting his war
The war started in 2014, and Ukraine could have ended it as late as Feb 23 by desisting from shelling Donetsk, instead of shelling 32× as much starting Feb 16 and essentially forcing Putin’s hand, who has been under considerable pressure for 8 years to do something about the 14 millions Russians killed there over the years (yes, the people who liver there are largely Russians, stuck in a new foreign country in 1991). What kind of idiot picks a war with the largest ground force in the world instead of accepting a ceasefire offer and sitting down to talk?
Putin has done nothing to raise gas prices. Russia will sell gas at deep discounts to any party willing to enter into long-term contracts, and actually pay (paying in Euro’s is like shuffling money between one wallet and another wallet in your own hand).
Dependency is normal when it comes to commodities. Japan is almost entirely dependent on other countries for raw materials. Almost every country in the world (Russia least of all) is dependent on other countries for commodities of raw material not present within its own geography. Human society is largely a network of mutual dependencies.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej

As I said. Putin is a bit player in this story. And you are welcome to waste your time and blame whoever you want. I don’t really care about who you want to blame. What I care about is the decades long energy transition story.So, how are you taking advantage of this transition?

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
“What kind of idiot picks a war with the largest ground force in the
world instead of accepting a ceasefire offer and sitting down to talk?”
The same kind of idiots were in Georgia when Georgia decided to invade South Ossetia in 1991. If it wasn’t for a friendly country to the north they probably would have succeeded.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Seems to me it would make logical sense to build enough renewable capacity to meet energy needs before shutting down power plants that boil water. Just like it would make sense to have enough energy at power outlets to charge 100 million electric vehicles before killing ICE vehicles. Seems basic logic evades the greenies. Explains why almost all of them studied liberal arts on their parents dime.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn

Worldwide scale transitions are impossible to get right. Blame whoever you want. All that shows is your own lack of understanding.

This entire story is not about “blame”. It is about a worldwide transition from fossil fuels to renewables. And it will be a multi-decade story.
And I intend to profit from the transition by investing in oil companies and then renewable energy companies that will benefit from the transition.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
My lack of understanding? You conflate electricity generation with gasoline production. Two completely different things.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Lol! Your misunderstanding of what I have been consistently stating about energy is actually pretty funny. Why don’t you go back and read what I gave been saying for the last few months before you make such a statement.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The Eu has been building windmills and solar farms everywhere for two decades at enormous expense, and yet less than 5% of their energy comes from these sources. The percentage would be even lower if heavy industry hadn’t been forced to leave the EU due to the crazy-high energy prices (because of wind and solar)…
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The West climate change war on oil and gas companies resulted in the lowest oil and gas discoveries in 75 years. I dodnt think I have to tell you as you already know what that means going forward. You are 100% correct in stating that energy supplies have been kneecapped before even any required renewable capacity has even come close to meeting demand. Can even renewable capacity meet required demand in the future?
Oil & gas discoveries in 2021 to hit lowest level in 75 years, Rystad says – Offshore Energy (offshore-energy.biz)
“An analysis of the annual global oil and gas discoveries in 2021 by the Norwegian energy intelligence firm, Rystad Energy, has revealed that discovered volumes are on track to sink to their lowest full-year level in 75 years should there be no significant finds by the end of the month.”
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Good thing that this was all foretold over the last two years on this blog. Glad I was following along at the time.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Papa, this was all ordained during the 2000’s in The Oil Drum blog.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Sorry. I wasn’t reading that one at the time. Missed that opportunity. But didn’t miss this one.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
The arrow to China goes through the Himalaya. The arrow to Germany will transport Natgas with Liberty ships.
killben
killben
1 year ago
“The average Joe is getting killed.”
Earlier the average Joe was getting killed by way of asset prices (courtesy the Fed’s interest rate repression and QE forever). But then the inflation has put paid to the Arsonist’s plans. One of the arsonists recently was talking again of returning to the old regime of interest rate repression and QE for ever. Given this stagflation seems to be the only way to keep these arsonists in check.
SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
1 year ago
Reply to  killben
Excellent! I use the term Arsonist as well. The question is alway which Arsonist to support. We always have to chose unless we wish to die or make the challenge to become the Arsonist ourself.
Certaintly, as you say, stagflation will weaken the current Arsonists in the US.

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