Here’s what to expect.
- Blame Game: Republicans and Democrats will blame each other
- Economic reports delayed. No jobs report on Friday assuming no resolution. The BLS is shut down except for one person.
- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will stop analyzing surveillance data for reportable diseases.
- The Office of Management and Budget has asked agencies to consider reductions in force for employees whose work doesn’t align with the president’s priorities and isn’t funded by other revenue streams. “We can cut large numbers of people,” Trump told reporters on Tuesday.
- House lawmakers aren’t expected to return to Washington until next week and any compromise funding proposal would need their approval.
- Lawsuits: Two unions representing government workers sued the Trump administration on Tuesday, arguing that plans for mass layoffs during a shutdown are unlawful.
- The Congressional Budget Office estimates as many as 750,000 people could be furloughed
- E-Verify, the government program companies use to verify that their employees are authorized to work in the U.S., will be paused.
- The Social Security Administration will pay benefits.
- Air traffic controllers will work without pay but there could be walk off disruptions and people calling in sick.
- A 2019 law guarantees automatic back pay once the shutdown concludes. Private contractors who work with federal agencies and are furloughed during a shutdown aren’t guaranteed back pay.
- The National Park Service aimed to keep roads, trails and memorials generally open.
- Most ICE employees are considered essential and will continue working, according to recently released contingency plans from the Department of Homeland Security.
- Active-duty military personnel are considered essential employees and thus are required to work during a government shutdown.
The above list compiled from the Wall Street Journal.
What Happens to Economic Growth?
The Wall Street Journal addresses that question in How Government Shutdowns Affect the Economy
What happens to federal employees?
Shutdowns typically hit federal employees quickly in the form of furloughs, with pay delayed until the government reopens. An important question for the economy is how many workers are on the sidelines, and for how long. The Office of Management and Budget decides which workers are “excepted” from furlough, which means they are needed for emergency or essential work but are still unpaid.
In the most recent shutdown, which spanned 34 days from the end of 2018 through the start of 2019, 340,000 employees were furloughed, according to the Government Accountability Office. But that was a partial shutdown because Congress had already passed some spending bills, which meant hundreds of thousands of employees could keep working and stay on the federal payrolls.
President Trump’s administration has also threatened mass firings if funding lapses, raising the stakes for a federal workforce already hit by months of workforce reductions, restructurings and rehirings. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) said the OMB plan was an “attempt at intimidation” and questioned whether any firings would hold up in court.
What happens to private businesses?
The 2013 shutdown ultimately cut private-sector job growth by about 120,000 jobs, according to an estimate from the Council of Economic Advisers. Shutdowns can also hit the life-sciences industry through delayed grants and stalled Food and Drug Administration reviews.
What happens to economic growth?
The 34-day partial government shutdown in 2018 and 2019 reduced annualized real gross domestic product growth by 0.4% in the first quarter of 2019, the Congressional Budget Office estimated. A full shutdown could more closely mirror the effects of the 16-day 2013 funding lapse, which lowered annualized growth by as much as 0.6%, the Office of Management and Budget reported.
Economists say the economy generally makes up for any lost growth in a shutdown once the government reopens. In this case, Trump’s threats of mass federal layoffs could leave a more lasting mark by making furloughed employees nervous to spend and, potentially, reducing employment.
It will be interesting to see how many Trump tries to fire and whether it will stick.
Otherwise, those furloughed will get paid (eventually) to do nothing.
On September 28, I asked Will Trump’s Last-Ditch Talks to Avoid Government Shutdown Succeed?
The answer depends on your measure of success. Ultimately, Republicans will cave.
Since the House will not be in session, there will be a shutdown.
So, if that’s your definition of success, there won’t be success. But that’s not my definition of success.
Unfortunately, I highly doubt anything good comes from this.
Senate Majority Leader John Thune appears to be waving the white flag already.
Thune said that a resolution likely will involve an agreement to extend the expiring health-insurance subsidies.
“I think the ACA subsidies will be an issue that will be addressed but I think right now we’ve got to keep the government open so we can do appropriations bills and work on that, with that solution,” said Thune.
Add another $350 billion to the deficit over the next 10 years if the giveaways stop there.


America’s 2 tier middle class is comprised of those that can vote themselves raises and those that can not.
Public sector and private sector pay and benefits are not equal.
Biden claimed to have created millions of high paying jobs that sit unfilled.
It’s a good thing the ex public sector workers that claim to have created these high paying private sector jobs… can now transition into them and credit each other and biden for perfecting the transition process and expanded economy.
Take a bow, the people welcome you to the american workforce.
Note the most protected from cheap labor competition job category – government jobs:
States Requiring E-Verify for All or Most Private Employers
These states broadly mandate E-Verify for private sector hiring, often applying to all employers or those above a certain size.
Alabama – All employers; also required for state contracts/grants. Penalties include business license suspension (up to 60 days for first offense) and permanent revocation for repeats.
Arizona – All employers; penalties include license revocation.
Florida – Public employers and contractors; private employers with 25+ employees (phased in).
Georgia – All employers with 11+ employees.
Mississippi – All employers with 10+ employees for at least 5 weeks per year.
North Carolina – All employers with 15+ employees.
South Carolina – All employers with 10+ employees for 20+ weeks per year.
Tennessee = All employers with 6+ employees; phased implementation.
Utah – All employers with 15+ employees; also for public works contracts.
States Requiring E-Verify for Public Employers, Contractors, or Specific Sectors
These states limit mandates to government-related entities or targeted industries, not all private employers.
Idaho – Public employers and contractors.
Indiana – State/local government agencies and contractors.
Louisiana – State contractors and subcontractors.
Michigan – Contractors/subcontractors for state transportation department.
Minnesota – State agencies and contractors (limited scope).
Missouri – Public employers and state contractors.
Nebraska – State/local contractors.
Oklahoma – Public employers (25+ employees) and contractors.
Pennsylvania – State contractors; private construction firms with state contracts.
Texas – State agency contractors.
Additional Notes
– No Requirements: Most states (e.g., California, which restricts E-Verify use; Illinois, New York) treat it as voluntary. West Virginia requires it only for state employees on capitol grounds.
– Federal Overlay: All states must comply with federal rules for contractors.
All of a suddent every Federal government worker is now important? And actually doing their job?
If the executive branch starts thinking ahead, they will start breaking the 15 Federal Departments into constituent pieces, so they can keep the pieces that have value and shut down the pieces that are mostly grift.
For example, if the NNSA were split off from the Department of Energy, Congresspersons would lose the “anchor store” that keeps that mall afloat. They could easily start gutting the Department of Enery, because the Department as a whole could no longer claim “it serves an essential function, and thus can not be shut down”. The NNSA is just political cover for the whole Department of Energy to even exist.
For example, if the NNSA were split off from the Department of Energy, Congresspersons would lose the “anchor store” that keeps that mall afloat.
I have many agencies other than the DOE I’d rather see eliminated.
I don’t want any furloughs so they don’t get back pay. Lay them all off permanently. When the shutdown is over only hire the ones back that you really need. This is the perfect time to cut the budget/bloat.
agreed. These jobs are not guaranteed, despite the mentality of the people in them.
Too bad. It isn’t up to you.
According to this, admittedly very “contrarian” source, many gvt jobs won’t be coming back thanks to AI.
“Sources indicate that if a government shutdown extends beyond 60 days, Trump could permanently eliminate 700,000 federal jobs, replacing them with AI-powered automation”
As if traditional human-managed workflows could be automated overnight. But it’s clearly on the horizon.
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/pfizer-deal-and-ai-takeover-trumps
Markets don’t seem overly concerned.
Why would they be?
Trump will subsidize farmers ex Frosty
More likely Trump’s new hires – DEI for home-schooled white nationalist children – will incorrectly assume Frosty planted soybeans and corn, and compound their error by miscalculating Frosty’s acreage and send him a gigantic check.
Where is senator sombrero to save the dems from themselves? lol, what a show this is. Arriba!
How about this….. make it such that congressional pay is suspended until such time that they can pass a BALANCED BUDGET. Can’t pass it? No pay. So sorry. No dinero for you. Lo siento!
The whining about Trump is justified on this to an extent, but this problem preceded him. For TDS sufferers, that means that the problem was a problem before you got TDS.
I’m not sure this would convince politicians, since most of their income comes from tips (which are also now tax free).
Did somebody unplug the printer? Didn’t think so.
$20bil in aid to Argentina deemed an essential government function
It will save Milei and subsidize Argentian farmers to sell to China
A severe draught hit Argentina and Brazil. Down payment to Milei in return to cutting export to China. M-2 velocity is rising bc Shi imposed an embargo on US farmers.
Delusional… pure and simple…
China is about the only country that both needs and can pay big money for huge amounts of soybeans. It’s majestically delusional.
Yep. China produces 20 million tons of soybeans each year and imports 100 million tons. As with all commodities, China will build large stockpiles of anything that they cannot produce enough of. They currently have a stockpile of 44 million tons of soybeans.
Not sure about his purity but yes, he sure is simple.
It’s drought, not draught.
And it didn’t stop China from buying 61 million metric tons of soybeans this year from Argentina and Brazil.
China has built up a large soybean stockpile; 44 million tons.
They are building large stockpiles of many commodities.
SPX 6.7K.
“Air traffic controllers will work without pay but there could be walk off disruptions and people calling in sick”.
Nobody would be thrilled about having to go to work knowing you won’t get paid for your efforts until who knows when. It’s demoralizing. Might as well call in sick.
Good luck to anyone flying in the near future.
Who will stop Trump from paying them.
Nope. The president cannot authorize pay for essential workers without congressional approval. Trump cannot bypass congress and pay workers.
As a pilot, screw that! I’m staying away from commercial flights, especially flying into Newark 🙂
DC is even worse no?
Trump will pay essential workers and render congress useless.
He cannot pay essential workers. Unless he shreds the constitution, takes over the country through a military backed takeover, and declares himself King.
“Might as well call in sick.”
What if Trump decides to pull a Reagan and fire all the flight controllers? Trump is crazy enough to do this.
Then he will declare a national emergency and deploy military controllers to all airports.
Once he has control of the airports and the cities via the National Guard, he is that many steps closer to declaring martial law and suspending future elections so he remains President until he passes away, at which time Barron takes over.
People are so brainwashed about Trump it’s become a parody of itself.
During covid Trump shutdown the economy. Now he is shutting down congress. Essential workers will get paid. The useless congress will not get a dime. RE transactions slow further. Rates will drop to 3%. A smaller gov, tariffs, higher Obamacare taxes, lower rates… will fill gov coffer.
Congress is paid. Essential workers are not paid until the shutdown is ended.
Who can stop Trump from paying essential workers.
Look out!!! Trump’s right behind you!!!!
The Constitution of the United States of America, but you are correct in that he would gleefully shred it.
Shutdown#4 for Trump…
the record # of shutdowns is 8 under Reagan, but they only totalled 14 days.
Trump: 38 days and counting…
he just needs 18 days to beat Carter’s record of 56 days (5 shutdowns).
Meanwhile, gold is tickling $3,900 per ounce as central banks, individuals and investors take shelter from the storm of incompetent financial leadership.
The BBB is anything but beautiful. It is an economic disaster and goes against all of what Trump campaigned on. The insane spending and the fallacy of tariffs paying for it is absolute economic nonsense.
Trump and his sycophants are economically and mathematically illiterate.
With debt going up $1 trillion every 150 days, trouble is closer than the spokesmodels on CMBC are alluding to.
AI hype will not create the efficiencies that are advertised. 95% of all AI deployments thus far are not revenue positive. A huge amount of NVDA’s sales are vendor financed. We have seen this before.
The entire AI bubble looks like previous bubbles and, as we know ~ bubbles burst.
When does the shit hit the fan?
The gold market is saying * sooner * rather than later…
For everyone’s understanding, there are these classes of federal workers:
Exempt: Will continue to work at current pay
Excepted: Will continue to work without pay, but will receive retroactive pay when government opens again
Non-exempt: Are now furloughed without pay and cannot perform any work
Some believe this will be an extended shutdown as a way to demonstrate that government will still work without non-exempt staff. So in a way it is an experiment to see if anything breaks. If this is true, it’s a big gamble, especially with a Category 5 hurricane fortunately moving away from the U.S. east coast – and that’s just one example. But if the experiment is successful, the thought is some of the non-exempt staff will be RIFed.
Several months ago there was another pending government shutdown and Trump was saying the same thing about it being an opportunity for him to make dramatic RIF for federal agencies. This was also the time when fedgov agency RIF actions were occurring (Dept of Education, for example), so the Democrat leadership thought it was the best approach to go along with the President’s demands to keep people in government jobs. But this caused a major outcry from Democrat supporters and voluminous calls for D leadership to step aside or fight back. So from that point, the die has been cast that the next government shutdown would be more entrenched. And here we are.
They wont step aside, and they won’t fight back. Their role in this shitshow is ineffective opposition, and they have perfected it.
More like, “Hundreds of Thousands Will Get x-number of Additional Days of Paid Vacation.”
It does work out that way. They take a big vacation and when the shutdown is over get their paychecks (with interest). Benefits continue to accrue and life goes on.
That said, contractors and workers on projects that get shut down suffer disproportionately and unemployment costs for targeted states spiral upwards.
Republicans have no desire to end this, it allows them huge power to disenfranchise their enemies. Unfortunately those enemies are ordinary working Americans in most cases.
I’m not a Democrat, but it sure is interesting to observe the executive branch of government declare economic war against virtually 1/2 of the American people.
We live in interesting times!
Yeah more than half. Every time he throws ca under the bus i cant help think of the 25 percent of the registered republican voters in the state. Who voted to get hit by the bus. Oh they will just blame newsom. Then you also have the independents another 25 percent or so. I may not agree with either side of the isle all the time but hey least biden stepped up and treated all americans equal during disasters and such. That goes a long way to say who you are as a person.
california’s problems have nothing to do with trump, despite the overwhelming, untreated TDS. Biden treated everyone equally during disasters? I think Maui and Carolina residents would disagree.
Thank you.
Yeah i forgot the most recent Carolina as an example. That statement was oh so misinformed.
You are now blaming Trump for the shithole that are parts of CA??
Seriously?
Really? Did you forget how FEMA skipped certain households during disasters? Or how they never visited Palestine when the huge train derailment occurred? Or how little they did to Democrat-held Hawaiians after the Lahaina fires. I mean i had those 3 at the tip of my mind when i read your comment that Biden treated folks equally during disasters. Only the uninformed would make such a false statement from failed memories.
I will remain productive and continue to employ many people regardless of their political affiliation. Unfortunately, the government shutdown has empowered targeting projects for denial of funding, based on their proximity to democratic populations.
This is not government for all Americans. It is targeted economic terrorism…
No wonder Trump is sending troops into our communities.
Hide your underage daughters!
Underage daughters will become the only currency a working man has. Pedo Planet, here we come!
That is how it works in Afghanistan and among other primitive tribes!
lol, the derangement is hitting new levels. You sound like a typical Californian, fearing everything but the people you elected. The derangement is breathtaking.
I wish this forum had a permanent ignore button for him. Really is ruining the forum with his Trump diatribes multiple times a day on every single Mish topic.
Bingo!
Got cha thinking?
Becauze thinking is what it is all about…
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Reality check…
I’m just a farmer in the midwest making a good living while watching my neighbors get decimated by this administration.
As a Regan republican, I simply take advantage of what is going on around me. That includes buying farmland from farmers bankrupted by Trump.
The fucking idiots voted for him. I’ll get their land for pennies on the dollar.
I sit at the morning coffee clutch listening and being agreeable…
The silent desperation screams louder than any words could ever describe.
Broken hearts are for assholes!
Yeah – Canada beckons, doesn’t it?
Not really, I love America!
Canada is not all bad, Since I speak French and a few other languages, fitting in is not all difficult. But its fucking cold there!
Enjoy!
Sending troops into communities who fail to allow federal law to be upheld. And who pushed the Supreme Court to uphold who has the ultimate authority to handle enforcment of (illegal) immigration? Obama vs Jan Brewer’s Arizona.
Sending them into DC was well within his purview and it helped.
Only the diehard anti-Trumpers want that damn crime to persist and resist illegal immigration enforcement efforts. The rest of us are pleased that someone is actually trying to get a damn result for a change.
Pulled delicious carrots from my garden today…
Not sure how you could come up with what you say.
I’m a freedom loving American, what are you?
Otherwise, those furloughed will get paid (eventually) to do nothing.
NORMALLY, those furloughed always get paid (absolutely) to do nothing.
“Thousands Could Be Furloughed”
The real question is how many Trump will terminate to teach two-faced Schumer a lesson for passing 13 CRs under Biden?
Hopefully, Schumer ends his idiotic stunt & pulls a TACO before this happens.
I mean there are several reasons to jump on Trunp, but Schumer / Jefferies & the Dems are just out there nowadays. They’re wandering around in the wilderness like they’re hanging out with Moses.
They obviously welcome him firing massive numbers of people.
They don’t – they think he’s bluffing.
I didn’t think they would be foolish enough myself, but obviously what do I know. This was not the brightest of decisions. We shall see, but if History is a guide, they should pay a price for this maneuver .
It’s his choice. And yes, Trump will pay a price.
Absolutely. This time it’s the Dem’s turn to be the useful idiots. Given the opportunity, I bet the GOP will figure out a way to be the next useful idiots down the road.
“the Dems are just out there nowadays”
Is this from the same news source that told you the Dems are orchestrating this shutdown to “give free health care to ‘illegal aliens’”? LOL
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republicans-falsely-claiming-democrats-give-free-health-care/story?id=126094099
NY State does. I have seen it with my own eyes in my line of work. And that is new. I am not aware of that happening even 2 years ago nor anywhere else. But am I to believe that is not happening in CA? LOL
And I dont mind taking care of people but its you democrats that were in power under Biden that let these NGOs fly Nigerians to the mexican border. How the hell else did they get there?
Its when illegals cut the line in front of Americans, all American, black,latino white whatever.
That is not right
How do you win against someone who does not play by the rules.
The republicans want to pass their bill and discuss the affordable care act later. How do you think that would play out. They wont even swear in the new dem congress women because she will sign for releasing the files.
Why do you want Schumer to “end his idiotic stunt”?
You kept repeating that you wanted the government to shut down.
Quit whining and enjoy it.
“Groundhog Day” redux…
Mass firings, wow. Stakes rising. Trump is playing for keeps, a finite game, like a football game with an end state of absolute winners and losers. His team politically on the inside this time, believe this is existential, that we are in a state of permanent emergency until victory, until restoration of their imagined America (though that never existed in the form nerdily envisioned, or at least, for long).
This makes any institution subject to disrupting and dismantling (and admittedly, some could use it). Dems are trying to play an infinite game, still believing to some degree that the loyal opposition concept, “how you play the game,” whether one wins or loses, (at least signalling) being nice and humane accordingly, matters. I’m not saying Dems are spotless. I’m saying they are, as the slang saying goes, gormless. They lack equipment on many levels for this conflict, because the game board has already been reshaped, and is actively being reshaped daily. The newly disaffected are in urban force deployment spaces. Let’s see where the stakes go. Is this the hill to take a stand on?
Yom Kippur War 2025: Chuck and Hakeem fell into a sinkhole. Trump shutdown the useless congress. Congress will be out of business for a year or two thanks to Chuck and Hakeem. Trump has $1.3T to pay essential workers. He will cut dems programs. He will cut debt. He will teach the fascists dems a lesson.
Hahahaha! It’s funny that you always say Trump will cut the debt. Do you think if you repeat it often enough that it will come true? Trump will keep increasing the debt around $2 trillion per year.
Also; Essential workers do not get paid during a shut down. Though they will receive their backpay later.
I think this one is going to last for months.
TPTB will replace these people, as well as corporate drones, with AI.
For over a decade Mish was against unions for government employees…..
And I would note the executive branch is batting over 90% on court cases
Am looking forward to a robot union. “Equal pay for equal work!”
That’ll morph to “kill all the humans, and wear their skins as clothing” sooner than you think.
Bender’s dream to “kill all humans”.
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To think of all the things people thought they voted for. Stopping “genocide and militarization of everything” probably ranked pretty low.
Government employees should not be unionized. One major reason is how union power corrupts voting.