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Hello President Biden, Poor Nations Say They Need Trillions From Rich Ones

About Those Climate Change Goals 

John Kerry was speechless when he learned Poor Nations Need Trillions From Rich Ones to meet climate change goals.

At a July global climate gathering in London, South African environment minister Barbara Creecy presented the world’s wealthiest countries with a bill: more than $750 billion annually to pay for poorer nations to shift away from fossil fuels and protect themselves from global warming.

The number was met with silence from U.S. Climate Envoy John Kerry, according to Zaheer Fakir, an adviser to Ms. Creecy. Other Western officials said they weren’t ready to discuss such a huge sum.

For decades, Western countries responsible for the bulk of greenhouse-gas emissions have pledged to pay to bring poorer nations along with them in what is expected to be a very expensive global energy transition. But they have yet to fully deliver on that promise. Now the price of the developing world’s cooperation is going up.

Without poorer countries on board, the world stands little chance of preventing catastrophic climate change, say many climate scientists. Emissions in the U.S. and Europe are falling as both regions push to adopt renewable energy and phase out coal-fired electricity. But emissions in the developing world are expected to rise sharply in the coming decades as billions rise out of poverty—unless those economies can shift onto a lower-carbon path.

Developing-world negotiators say the money isn’t financial aid. Rather, they say wealthy countries have a responsibility to pay under the U.N. climate treaties because most of the Earth’s warming since the industrial era is the result of emissions from the rich world. Moreover, poor nations now face the task of raising living standards without burning fossil fuels unchecked as the U.S. and other rich nations did for almost two centuries.

“If you’re going to ask a much poorer country to forgo that option, then there is a moral claim that they need support to go on a lower emissions development pathway,” said Joe Thwaites, a climate-finance expert at the World Resources Institute, an environmental think tank.

AOC’s Proposed Solution

In light of the above, please recall AOC’s and President Biden’s solution.

As part of Biden’s “Build Back Better” plan the US needs to be 80% clean energy by 2030. 

And to ensure that companies do not meet that goal via imports, the plan is to tax any imports that do not meet those 80% goals. 

Meanwhile, even the current meager commitment to developing nations is not being funded.

So, in addition to the burden on businesses to meet the requirement, think of the impact on developing nations and the fact there’s no way for them to meet the goals at all. 

So, what’s the real cost of “Build Back Better”?

It’s instant stagflation if the bill actually passes as the Progressives nutcases currently envision.

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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
The return on solar panels is considerably higher in poorer southern countries than in NW Europe.
They should pay for themselves…
dmartin
dmartin
4 years ago
The cost to pay for poor countries is why Trump got us out of the Paris Accord…..it was a ripoff. People, especially libs, act all surprised when the bill becomes due when it comes to climate change. LOL 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
The Taliban, or someone like them, will sort out out eventually. Basic competence, insight and intelligence will eventually win.
It’s the meantime; rank idiots and nothing but finding, deeming, believing and “investing in” in trivially nonsensical idiocies; the sad part. But since nothing purely destructive can last forever before it has destroyed everything available to it, financialized idiotopias and their childish hysterias will pass as well. For the benefit of Gaia and all else.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“John Kerry was speechless when he learned poor nations need trillions from rich ones, to meet climate change goals.”
He is willing to give up his wealth toward that end, right? After all, we are all in this together, right?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
It isn’t his wealth, it’s his wife’s wealth. 
mrchinup
mrchinup
4 years ago
While they’re at it communist China needs 5 trillion to fix their RE mess. Stop trading with commies. Spent 5 months in the Utah mountains this year, they have to find a way to stop importing horrible city people from liberal states. Real Utes are awesome people.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
We can just print that, right?
This insane world we live in…
ed_retired_actuary
ed_retired_actuary
4 years ago
Tackling climate change is a tragedy of the common on an unmanageable scale.  Nevertheless, many of those who see themselves as long term responsible leaders believe that it is their responsibility to undertake this quixotic quest.  If nothing else, thee will be a moderate amount of mitigation, albeit at very high economic cost.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
If they TRULY believed in climate change due to human activity, all that would need to happen is for people live within their means.
Massive amounts of fiscal stimulus + monetary insanity = heightened economic activity (by pulling forward consumption).
TPTB need to square this before I take them seriously.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Ultimately, the problem is NOT about climate change (or living within one’s means). It is a symptom of overcrowding.  It can only be solved by fewer human cockroaches on the planet.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
True, but population growth slowing. 
What has changed in my lifetime is we’ve become a throw away society. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Slowing growth is not enough when everyone wants the USA standard of living.
ed_retired_actuary
ed_retired_actuary
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Environmental damage is the product of population * damage/person.  China addressed population as much as any country could with the 1 child policy. (Western developed countries have also been inadvertently successful in reducing population growth primarily by providing educational opportunities for girls and women)  This did not stop the 2nd term in China  from skyrocketing with very rapid industrial growth.
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Good lord.  What makes you hate humanity?  Before we go about sending billions to tin pot dictators so they can waste it on hookers blow and mercedes, or making fake carbon markets that only enrich politicians and their politically connected friends at our expense, or we empower tyrannical national or supranational governments, or mandate the decimation (in the literal Roman sense) of the global population, how about we do something positive.  Plant 2 trillion trees.  All over the world.  Fraction of the cost and corruption, most of the benefit.  Sheesh.
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
What dumbfounds me and leaves me speechless is that a vetted intelligent person like John Kerry is surprised that poor nations need money from rich ones.
His surprise smacks of elitism.  It’s easy for the wealthy to make rules for everyone else that cost a lot of money.  After all, they have plenty of it and assume everyone else does too.
His surprise tells you just how out of touch American woke elites are to the rest of the world.
I’m sorry, but a Congolese coal miner isn’t going to stop producing coal to feed his family and cook his food just because John Kerry says so.  If he stops mining coal he’s dead.  For him to stop mining coal he’s going to need some other way to provide for his and others needs.

He needs an education, which means schools have to be built.  For schools to be built there needs to be government funds to do so, for funds to be available there needs to be a non-corrupt government.  For there to be a non-corrupt government there needs to be a cultural reinvention.

You measure cultural changes in decades and centuries, not weeks or years.

Africa’s problems today are very hard to overcome.  They aren’t going to pay for climate change initiatives.  IN fact, if you give them money to do so, they’ll just pocket the money and spread it via corruption.  Not one dime will go to climate change.

I used to live in Kenya.  It really is like that.

StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
“…vetted intelligent..”
Oxymoronic in the Fed Age. Hence…..
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
The Chinese must be thrilled. We go broke trying to switch to renewable energy buying windmills and solar panels from them the whole time. And because we’ll no longer be using fossil fuels, their cost to purchase them will be much lower.
Jmurr
Jmurr
4 years ago
The BBB plan will be measured America corpses. in addition to trillions of dollars. Wait till seniors living on fixed income find their electric bills are going to increase exponentially so that the country can save the planet from “climate change”.    
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
I love it. The more absurd the number the better the chance that the Climate Bill / pledge never passes. Sometimes I wonder if *someone* paid Mrs Creecy some money to deliver such a number. Nah, that’d never happen 🙂
In truth much of what she says makes no sense. She claims the poor nations need to burn fossil fuels to get to where we are now even as we transition away from them. It’s like saying poor countries need to build Model-T cars and then over the course of a few decades reach modern cars in the same way it took us that long. That’s silly. They just go directly to the latest car (or clean energy) technologies.
If we are truly going to be 80% clean by 2030 (LOL) then those countries merely need to wait less than 10 years to see how it’s done and then go directly to the finish line. It won’t cost anywhere near 750 billion a year given their labor costs.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
You can get a lot more joules for the dollar building a coal plant than using renewables in the 3rd world.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
At the moment yes. That’s likely true here too (esp with natural gas, coal maybe not).
But if we are going to make this transition by 2030 (LOL) then the math on dollars/joules will have to approach break even or better.
pretax
pretax
4 years ago
I tried investing in African companies some years ago. They all went bust and I started to understand what a totally corrupt basket case it is. What did it for me was when I found out that charities had to pay to provide charitable aide to poor people in the country. Yes I feel for the African poor and dispise the African rich, but they come from the same culture; and if tables were turned (poor/rich) we’d still have the same problem. So no more investment or charty in Africa; I’ve done with them.     
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  pretax
Never fear. China has a plan for Africa: displace them to Europe and America, and take over.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
South Africa…..not surprised they have their hand out. Their corrupt current leadership is bent on taking them to failed-state status in my short remaining lifetime. The odds of any aid at all to them…..ever going to a good purpose of any kind is zero.  Unfortunately, we are trying many of the same social engineering experiments…..
Guess it was worth a try. I think the days of US supporting the rest of the world with foreign aid is just about over…..and thank goodness. It was never a good idea. Maybe the Chinese will give them help with climate change…for the gold and diamonds.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
So true.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
John Kerry:
“How do you ask a man to be the last man to give up riding in private jets for climate change? How do you ask a man to be the last man to give up riding in private jets for a mistake?”
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
It’s instant stagflation if the bill actually passes as the Progressives nutcases currently envision.
I think it would be much worse than that.  If the Progressive dream bill were to pass, it would signal that the US government isnt even pretending any more about fiscal probity.  I believe that would be sufficient to cause a psychological phase change in pretty quick order that would cause markets to unravel, which would damage main street even more than it already has been by government at all levels.
Supposedly the odds of that happening are small, with Manchin and Sinema as blockers.  But that is a pretty thin margin to count on between kicking the can for some years and certain doom imminently.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  tbergerson
Fiscal probity ? GTFO. What wet dream are you living in ? The Fed has been monetizing debt for years and continues to do. 
tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Note I said “pretending any more about fiscal probity”.  I did not imply anything about their actual fiscal probity, which isnt even a mirage.  But they “pretend” it is a concern, so it is somewhat accepted by enough people that it is.  If they get this bill through, that pretense evaporates, and is laid bare, so there is NO doubt any longer that there is no fiscal probity of any kind or even a pretense of it.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  tbergerson

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