A tipping point has been reached. UK citizens are so sick of Brexit delays they just want Prime Minister Boris Johnson to get it over with.
The Telegraph reports Boris Johnson has Public’s Support to Shut Down Parliament to Get Brexit Over the Line.
The ComRes survey for The Telegraph found that 54 per cent of British adults think Parliament should be prorogued to prevent MPs stopping a no-deal Brexit.
The poll suggested the Prime Minister is more in tune with the public’s views on Brexit than MPs, following his promise to deliver Brexit by October 31 “do or die”.
Parliament vs Boris Johnson
The new poll revealed that, should MPs act to attempt to block Brexit, they may not have the support of voters. Asked whether they thought Parliament was more in tune with the public than Mr Johnson, 62 per cent disagreed.
Nine in 10 of those asked said Parliament was out of touch with the public (88 per cent), while 89 per cent believed most MPs were ignoring the wishes of voters to pursue their own agenda on Brexit. The public also overwhelmingly rejected the idea of the Queen being dragged into Brexit after John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, threatened to send Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, to Buckingham Palace “in a cab” to tell the 93-year-old monarch the Opposition was “taking over” if Mr Johnson were to lose a vote of no confidence but refused to resign.
Asked if the Queen should remain above politics and refuse to get involved in Brexit, 77 per cent said yes and 23 per cent said no.
Lesson of the Day
I take these polls with a grain of salt. Yet, the results are hardly shocking.
People are sick of Brexit dominating every facet of their lives for three years.
They want this mess over.
People’s Vote Madness
There is no support for a people’s referendum.
Nor is there any agreement on how to word a People’s Vote, nor any reason to believe the EU would wait months to organize such a vote.
MPs take note. Tories who vote against the government or the will of their constituencies will be voted out of office. Many Labour voters want Brexit as well.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
As I posted elsewhere, there’s no point having a referendum when people are split along three lines:
If only two options were on the ballot, the vote would be meaningless.
If all three options were up for a vote, none would achieve a majority, so the result would be meaningless.
The Leave campaign made a series of false promises including several outright lies. For example, Leave promised £350 million pounds a week that would be spent on the NHS. This was a lie for two reasons: first, the sum is wrong; second, there is no agreement and never was one to increase NHS spending by that amount. Leavers promised that Britain would quickly and easily negotiate a free trade agreement with the EU, essentially getting all the benefits of leaving with no reciprocal obligations; this is plain old bullshit. Leavers said that Britain could negotiate trade agreements immediately after the vote, but this is also wrong since the EU treaty prohibits it; any trade agreements must be negotiated after,though the EU did relax this rule. In reality, no trade agreements have been negotiated because no one knows what Brexit will look like or when it will take place.
Leavers were promised that they could quit the EU and save £20 billion a year. In reality, the net payments to the EU are about £10 billion but this does not include research grants and sharing of research with the EU.
Leavers claimed that Brits living on the Continent would be free to live and work there while all the horrible, nasty foreigners would be sent home. Another lie.
And, of course, the City would keep its position in Europe, cheerfully laundering billions of dollars a year with full and free access to European markets. This is also false.
Britain would regain full control of its borders (i.e. keeping out all those horrible brown people including those from the Commonwealth despite those immigration rules being British, not EU. But the Irish border would remain magically open because Britain knows it can’t afford to close it. LOL.
So, go ahead and talk about “how the people have spoken and how Remainers are whining and making stuff up.” The truth is that Leavers got the vote by running a campaign built on lies.
Do any of the Leavers here have the slightest clue about Northern Ireland and the peace agreements that have stopped the Troubles? Apparently not. If the border is closed, bombs won’t be going off in Brussels since the Troubles were caused by Britain, not by the EU.
Britain has always had one foot out of the EU as the country clung to the mythology of the British Empire and the Special Relationship with the US. Most Europeans are fed up and want Britain to shit or get off the pot; if Britain leaves it will cause some problems here, but nothing like the problems it will cause in Britain. And the EU problems will be absorbed by the EU while Britain, forced into a recession by this xenophobic nightmare of a referendum, will face them on its own…unless any Trumpturds out there want America to send $20 billion to Britain. No? I thought not.
Remainers have thrown one obstacle after another in the way of Brexit hoping that with time the exit side would agree to a revote. They never negotiated in good faith, instead just the opposite, the worse they could make it seem the likelier they were to get the Brexit vote tossed and a new vote to stop it. Now they are 10 weeks from the day the UK will be out of the EU and they are panicking because 10 weeks is not enough time to prepare. And having gone in for a penny they now plan to go in for a pound, they will make the transition so bad, so hard, that they can go on the evening news every day to say “We told you so.” See how bad it is?
It is going to be rough in some ways, but it need not have been had they been acting like adults and simply accepted the will of the voters.
I say this all the time, I am an Irish/EU citizen and have lived there, the EU is an evil invention that should crumble into the dust of history and the sooner the better. The common market was a good thing mostly, and so was Schengen, but the open borders allowing millions of ECONOMIC refugees in is a disaster unparalleled in Europe’s history, well nearly, WWI and II and the Holocaust have not slipped my mind, but, this could very well lead to WWIII and another Holocaust.
You cannot have a modern democracy based upon fake news, the religion of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) false money and economics, with 27 parliamentary nations all clamoring for more welfare. Speaking of parliamentary government, the attempts by the remainers in Britain are a perfect example of the fraud and failure of that type of “democracy.” People do not get to vote for any person who represents a given set of positions, they can only vote for a party that has shifting loyalties and does compromising deals with other parties full of shifted loyalty. As bad as our two party system may seem at times, it provides more stability and far fewer chances that a corrupt and unfaithful politician can sell out his constituents.
It is obvious that you are ill-informed, if not to say willfully ignorant. Climate change is real, at least if you accept facts and not propaganda spewed by politicians. As for your reference to WWII, you might read some history and come back to tell us what is the longest period of peace in European history.
As for Remainers intentionally wrecking things to make Brexit look bad, you might spend time reading comments and articles dating back to the vote and see what your kind said about the positive economic effects of Brexit. You have claimed that Brexit was positive and the cause of every good thing in the UK for the past three years, at least until the past six months when reality started to bite and everyone realized what a clusterfuck it is. Suddenly, you are blaming Remainers…I suppose they were working FOR Britain from 2016 to 2019 then suddenly changed their minds and began undermining their own country to spite Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson?
Parliament does not want a No Deal Brexit. You seem to ignore that fact. The people don’t really want one either when they are presented with the facts. Leavers are delusional about the EU’s position. There will be no further concessions. If Britain leaves without a deal, then there will be no free trade, no open border with Ireland and no free movement of people. If that is really what the British people want, then call a general election and get a parliament that agrees to Island Britain.
The UK public will likely be treated to a different news cycle shortly — perhaps they will be longing for the old one.
What remains true is that the British people and government remain deeply divided about the future course. As I have stated more often, I expect the centripetal forces within the UK and UK society to increase significantly, competing in strength with those at work in the EU itself.
Professor Richard Tuck has argued after the referendum that “Brexit was in fact an inoculation against Trump and the politics of the radical right. Leaving the EU would not only kill Scottish independence, it would also kill the kind of right-wing politics in England which UKIP represented, since it was largely driven by a sense of powerlessness. The feeling – and it need be no more than that – that the political process could after all be responsive to what people wanted even on fundamental matters would immediately remove the emotional force from the radical right’s message, and that too duly seems to have happened.”
But then, it didn’t happen.
Failure to follow through with ‘leaving’ will re-energise the sense of powerlessness and resentment and probably lead to the destruction of the Tories at the next General Election. It seems that this is something Boris Johnson is aware of as he prepares to leave the EU at the end of October…and then call a general election…the only poll that actually counts.
Expat says the first referendum was deeply flawed.
This is what was actually promised before the referendum by the then Prime Minister, David CAMERON, in 2015:
“And ultimately it will be the judgment of the British people in the referendum that I promised and that I will deliver. You will have to judge what is best for you and your family, for your children and grandchildren, for our country, for our future. It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave. Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’. Not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you.
You, the British people, will decide. At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision.
So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave… …would merely produce another stronger renegotiation and then a second referendum in which Britain would stay… …I say think again. The renegotiation is happening right now. And the referendum that follows will be a once in a generation choice. An in or out referendum. When the British people speak, their voice will be respected – not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.”
Cameron campaigned for Remain.
The key point in this is the harsh way it was worded. By ANY Means.
Many of those who were undecided would likely have said yes without that extra sentence giving them grounds for pause.
Sorry Mish but the Telegraph is not known for its impartial polls. This isn’t your normal rigorous put down of rigged reporting. Would be good to see some analysis of what the John Bolton statements about trade deals really meant. I can just imagine – you support us on Iran and we’ll lower whisky duty or some other random political gesture. Can really see why US commentators see the benefits of Brexit.
Sorry, you are wrong. You are probably also unaware that Northern Ireland was not included in the poll. The wording of the poll is leading and biased.
You also have no basis to make the claim you just made about “Don’t Knows” being in favor except for the “any means”. You are projecting your own bias about the EU on this poll much the same way you project it on Brexit and Europe in general.
Leavers, like yourself, whine and cry when a new referendum in suggested because you know that first was deeply flawed. If the results had been 52% in favor of remaining and the Remainers had run a campaign based on the same lies that Boris and Farage touted, you would be screaming your heads off.
I don’t know what xenophobia or ignorance makes you a Brexiteer, so please enlighten me as to why Brexit would be so great and why the EU needs to make any further concessions.
Yeah. what’s so great about freedom and national sovereignty? And what are all those folks in Hong Kong protesting about? Expat and I don’t understand.
Mish, who constantly whines about accuracy in economic reporting, conveniently cites a strongly biased poll. Only 44% of responders agreed with the very leading question. The results, as published and now touted by biased, ignorant voices, are 44% in favor, 37% who disagree and 19% who don’t know.
It is likely that the audience itself was not random or that those responding simply don’t understand what “suspending parliament” means. The British do not support a No Deal Brexit with any majority. Those who understand the process are heavily in favor of no Brexit without a deal of some sort.
But, hey, don’t let your bias get in the way of commenting on a country and a process about which most of you know little.
There have only been 3 national referenda in the UK’s history. We have never reneged on one. It would be worse than a financial default : it would be a devaluation of the nation’s soul. I am reminded of “Man for All Seasons” : “When a man takes an oath, Meg, he’s holding his own self in his own hands. Like water (he cups his hands) and if he opens his fingers then, he needn’t hope to find himself again. Some men aren’t capable of this, but I’d be loathe to think your father one of them.”
What is wrong with reneging on a flawed referendum? If you have a food allergy and order something with peanuts, for example, because you were told it does not contain any, are you obliged to eat the food because you ordered it?
The referendum did not provide the facts. It was a knee-jerk reaction to immigration (basically just vanilla racism) and the voters were not fully informed about other issues. If you consider this to be an appropriate way to run a democracy, I pity the British people.
No. It was a highly charged political campaign in which, as always, hyperbole and propaganda on both sides abounded. The only real difference was that the Europhiles had the financial backing of the government and the support of the political and cultural “élites”.
Flawed? Certainly, but no more than any democratic decision is flawed – the more human, the more flawed. But I still prefer this to the more mechanistic perfection of technocracy.
And if we all honour the commitment we made to be bound by the outcome of our vote, we might yet offer Europeans an alternative vision : say, a successful prototype of “l’Europe des patries”.
This has always been their attitude since they were shocked by the initial vote, excuses, sowing doubt, demanding a new vote (till voters get it right), and now that they know they have lost and Brexit WILL happen they plan to stand in the way of any deal, to make it every bit as bad as they have been saying all along it will be. Maybe had they negotiated a proper Brexit in good faith it would have resulted in a decent departure from the Union. But they did not, so any failures and hardships belong to the remainers. Just as they forced Ireland to revote after the people there turned down the Treaty of Lisbon. They believed they could just force one new vote after another till they did the right thing.
Up next I predict that the remainers will now encourage a breakup of the UK so they can claim they were correct about that as well. Personally I wish it had been Ireland to vote to leave first, but now that they are permanently hooked on the crack of EU welfare and the Celtic Tiger is history they will never vote to leave.
It’s about time Brexit was delivered.
Leave voters outvoted stay voters by a majority of 3.8 per cent. This was a bigger margin of victory than in nine of the 20 post-war general elections: 1950, 1951, 1955, 1964, 1970, February 1974, October 1974, 2005 and 2017.
Were those nine elections not decisive?
In a democracy, the majority gets its way.
It’s like waiting for a mystery banquet to begin. What’s really under those silver domes?
The best of meals? The worst?
But we’ve waited for so long….impatience overwhelms caution.
But it’ll be a long banquet with many courses to come.
The actual figures are 44% for the proposition, 37% against and 19% don’t know. It is a long time since anyone could trust the Telegraph to be impartial.
People who “don’t know” don’t count.
Then it is 44% for the proposition in a rigged poll in a partisan newspaper- not 54% in favour.
No, it means it is very likely that well over 50% support Brexit. 44% definitely do support it by “any means”. The 19% that “don’t know” probably break at least 50/50 for Brexit/Remain, so 9.5% adds to 44%, at a minimum- Remain is a definite thing, but Brexit has different forms.
You idiot Remainers can play these games all day, but Mish right support for Brexit is essentially around 54% in that poll.
Historically, there has been a ‘democratic deficit’ in Europe which is evidenced by the following:
DENMARK – 1992 MAASTRICHT TREATY – 51.7% AGAINST, MADE TO VOTE AGAIN
IRELAND – 2001 NICE TREATY – 53.9% AGAINST, MADE TO VOTE AGAIN
FRANCE – 2005 EU CONSTITUTION – 54.9% AGAINST, INGNORED
NETHERLANDS – 2005 EU CONSTITUTION – 61.5% AGAINST, IGNORED
IRELAND – 2008 LISBON TREATY – 53.2% AGAINST, MADE TO VOTE AGAIN
GREECE – 2015 EURO BAILOUT – 61.3% AGAINST, IGNORED
Good luck winning over Brexit supporters with facts and figures.
Gee, maybe if we had ANOTHER people’s referendum, the Remainers might get it … yes, I tasted a little vomit as I typed that.
The Remainers are attempting to wring Brexit through the EU washing machine, in which you keep the people voting until they vote correctly, and, failing to achieve that outcome, the national assembly or parliament steps in to vote correctly on their behalf.