If You Need to Be Somewhere, Get There Before You Can’t

Only Essential Travel in the EU

As noted by Business Insider, the European Union will restrict all nonessential travel into the region for at least 30 days, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced on Monday. Only essential travel will be allowed for at least a month once the plan is approved by European leaders.

Total Lockdown in France

The Guardian Live Update has these items of note.

France: France will close its borders, in coordination with other EU nations. Beginning on Tuesday, people will only be allowed to leave home for strictly necessary reasons including to go shopping – while keeping a distance of one metre from anyone else – to get medical help and for work if it could not be done from home. Individual sporting activity will be allowed, but no collective sports. French President Emmanuel Macron said the reinforced measures will be imposed for at least 15 days.

G20: An extraordinary G20 summit will be convened to discuss the pandemic, according to a statement from the office of the Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, which says the decision was made during a call with the Saudi crown prince. [Will they do this by video conference or all all these people going to gather in one place?]

UK: Prime minister Boris Johnson unveiled a series of stringent new restrictions, including a 14-day isolation for all households with symptoms, a warning against “non-essential” contact, and an end to all mass gatherings.

Germany: Germany has closed places of worship, bars, restaurants, museums and cinemas. Announcing the plan, Chancellor Angela Merkel said: “The more individuals stick to these rules, the quicker we will get through this phase.”

Canada: Prime minister, Justin Trudeau, says he will close his country’s border to foreigners. Only four Canadian airports will be allowed to accept international flights, he said. The closure will not apply to commerce or trade, Trudeau said.

France Elections Postponed

US Expands Travel Ban from UK and Ireland

New Jersey Shutdown

https://twitter.com/kr3at/status/1239651944232337408

D.C. Shutdown

Here’s the Scary One – San Francisco Lockdown

The City will legally prohibit residents from leaving their homes except to meet basic needs including visiting the doctor, or buying groceries or medicine, until at least April 7, Mayor London Breed announced Monday.

Leave Now if You Have To Be Somewhere!

  1. San Francisco residents may not leave their homes except to meet basic needs including visiting the doctor, or buying groceries or medicine, until at least April 7.
  2. More cities will follow. Trump may shut down domestic travel.
  3. If you absolutely have to get somewhere, go now. There may not be a flight tomorrow.
  4. If you get where you need to be, then be prepared to stay. You might not be able to easily leave.

I do not expect military enforcement as happened in Italy, but as noted in Coronavirus Week in Review: Top 10 Things That Happened last week, New York City will Establish a “Containment Area” Using the National Guard.​

Importantly, domestic travel may be shut down at any time.

If you are on the West Coast and absolutely have to get to the East Coast, do not rely on last second air travel to get you there. Then be prepared to stay.

Lost Wages

That is three weeks of lost wages for San Francisco workers unless businesses pick it up.

Business won’t unless forced, and if forced many will go under.

Fed Fires All Its Bullets in a Single Shot

In and emergency meeting on Sunday, I commented the Fed Fires All Its Bullets in a Single Shot

QE is not going to fix a crash in demand. The Fed can buy assets but so what?

It cannot give money away to individuals or businesses compensate for lost wages.

I cannot possibly emphasize enough how enormously deflationary this setup is.

Mike “Mish” Shedlock

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jeco
jeco
4 years ago

This “deficits don’t matter” theme is going to destroy our currency, central bank maybe lead to national default. This admin was pumping an already (partially) hot economy and now that they need fiscal measures they’re really already been spent away. This “What me worry” leader is going to be a hugely reviled historic figure very soon. He put us in a box and can’t bullshit his way out.

Kender
Kender
4 years ago

So how does this square with the de-population scheme people talk about? If they wanted to depopulate, why try to keep us healthy? Why tell us at all? Just let disease do it’s work and the strong survive and the weak do not. (mind you, these are not my theories or beliefs rather I extrapolate what may happen based on patterns in the past.) The Georgia Guidestones even declare/warn that depopulation is preferred, so what gives? Also, although I am not on facebook, I have friends who are and they tell me that over the 1 billion ppl on it, no one has mentioned having the virus nor do they know anyone who has it. I thought that was very odd.

bilejones
bilejones
4 years ago
Reply to  Kender

I’m reminded of a phrase I first heard in the YUK during the Thatcher regime.
“The action is in the reaction” relating to IRA terrorism. Very little action is needed to achieve a great deal of reaction.

Klagorio
Klagorio
4 years ago

I agree with Mish, they are setting us up for a depression, THEY CANNOT PRINT ENOUGH MONEY FOR. IF YOU PUT ANOTHER 1,000,000 IN THE HOSPITAL 100,000 WILL DIE FORM THE INFECTIONS ALREADY IN THE Hospital. Did you know of you go to the hospital after 80 your chances of survival are less than six months and if you VENT even less so we lose another 100,000! We are dooming almost 200,000 people who have a better chance on being outside of our care facility because they are very sick going to the hospital HEALTHY PEOPLE WILL ALSO DIE IN THIS SITUATION AND THE TURN STYLE EFFECT COMES INTO PLAY AS THEY DIE NEWS ONE COME INTO THE BEDS, SO WE CAN KILL EVEN MORE! Sheltering IN PLACE PREFERABLY ALONE FOR ANYBODY OVER 70 SHOULD BE DONE AVOIDING HOSPITALS (incubators) AT ALL COSTS. They are hurting Americans, destroying the economy, and the infection has a good chance of coming back! These idiots do not know what they are doing. PLUS, THEY NEED AN ANTIBODY TEST SO HEALTHY PEOPLE CAN MOVE AROUND AGAIN! LET’S DO SOME Basic math we COULD KILL MORE DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING, AS THE ECONOMY IS TOTALLY DESTROYED! CHINA AND SOUTH KOREA DID IT THE RIGHT WAY FOR ONCE! WE ARE THE ONES SCREWING UP! DOING IT THE WRONG WAY LIKE WE ARE COULD KILL MORE THAN THE 500,000 THEY EXPECT TO DIE IF WE DO NOTHING!

RedQueenRace
RedQueenRace
4 years ago

It would seem they are shit out of luck.

Brother
Brother
4 years ago

If anyone is actually paying attention that this is the way Government responses to a virus. God forbid they take over all our healthcare systems. Judging from the lines at stores on TV I have never scene so many sheeple.

Brother
Brother
4 years ago

If anyone is actually paying attention that this is the way Government responses to a virus. God forbid they take over all our healthcare systems. Judging from the lines at stores on TV I have never scene so many sheeple. The freeways in So-cal are empty which is really bizarre.

MSCowboy
MSCowboy
4 years ago

Thanks, Urban.

UrbanDigs
UrbanDigs
4 years ago

That money is being used to backstop and add liquidity to the short term repo and financing markets. It’s a loan, not QE. QE is happening in addition. The liquidity backstop was done to mitigate the risk of a credit event in the short term financing credit markets. Look at as a plumbing blockage, and the Fed just drain-o’d it to prevent a backup. It took the chances of a major credit event from high to low. That’s it. That’s all it did. Get the high risk off the table. Now, credit events may still happen and liquidation of large institutions are already causing dislocations, evidence by recent gold and treasury moves during last few big selloffs

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago

Anatomy of a crash: according to Didier Sornette in his book “Why stock markets crash” crashes exhibit log periodic behavior where oscillations become larger and closer together. I was reminded of this after looking at the chart in the following,

MiTurn
MiTurn
4 years ago
Reply to  QE2Infinity

I remember Boeing, they used to make planes.

Sunriver
Sunriver
4 years ago

Without FED intervention over the last week, what would the 10 year treasury bond yield be? If a soveirgn countries bonds are a reflection of the ability of that nation to pay back its debt obligations, what would Mr Market say the 10 year treasury yield should be? North of 10%? We’ll never know. The market is drunk on negative real interest rates so that indebted zombie nations like the United States can service their forever unpayable principle debt. Under Moneterism, it is more likely to have a -10% ten year yield than a 10% ten year yield going forward. God help us all and especially our children.

MiTurn
MiTurn
4 years ago

Here’s deflation:

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  MiTurn

Venezuela was selling their gasoline for 12 cents per gallon US about 3 years ago. I wonder how much it it there today?

numike
numike
4 years ago

and now for something to break up all of the monotony of this virus stuff: Asteroid Could Cause Atmospheric Explosion If It Gets Too Close

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  numike

Maybe that would kill off the virus.

ReksBG
ReksBG
4 years ago

I guess the eco activist Greta is getting what she wished for – scrapping fossil fuels use 🙂 That’s why people say “be careful what you wish for” 🙂

Haxo Angmark
Haxo Angmark
4 years ago

TY, Corona-chan,

for collapsing the great debtPonzi’conomy before the walls got even steeper.

RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago

Quickly, everyone is getting “xenophobia”, shutting down borders, shutting down regions, cities, shutting down pubs and bars.

dingbat
dingbat
4 years ago

@Mish or anyone else, for that matter… You often say that deflation isn’t about prices, it’s about debt that cannot and will not be paid back. Here, you’ve said that this is very deflationary, which I assume is because people in this situation won’t be able to pay off their debts. Makes sense. But how is deflation not about prices? Can we have deflation without falling prices?

Wouldn’t people/companies not being able to pay/pay off their debts cause falling prices (deflation, as I understand it)? A blog post describing in more detail what you’re referring to would be useful to me, and probably others, as well.

Stuki
Stuki
4 years ago
Reply to  dingbat

Inflation and deflation is about the supply of money either inflating or deflating. “Prices” are only weakly correlated with that. Especially so, when the “prices” referred to, only cover the price of some things, but not others (arbitrarily deemed “consumer goods” vs “assets”.)

When you have a central bank bent on backstopping owners of darned near any “asset” out there, all those assets starts taking on properties of money.. And hence become parts of the effective money supply. (How much goods and services you can demand, is dependent not on how much narrow money you have, but on how much “assets” you have.)

This resulting money supply can then deflate, iow deflation, as “asset” prices drop; without any immediate nor necessary effect on consumer prices.

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  dingbat

“Can we have deflation without falling prices?”

We had deflation and falling prices (but barely) in the Great Recession. But they did not count housing prices.

So actually, proces were dropping huge if correctly factored in.

The CPI likely will not fall much, but I expect it to. Essentially irrelevant.

It’s the asset and debt bust that is relevant. Idiotic worry over meaningless price drops directly fed what’s happening now with assets.

Avery
Avery
4 years ago

Hi Mish. Do you see 1666 on the S&P ?

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Avery

Writing a post on support levels right now

themonosynaptic
themonosynaptic
4 years ago

Well the whole of the Bay Area is in “Shelter-in-home” mode.

I predict more areas will follow. Perhaps the whole country.

Mitt Romney has called for $1,000 per month per person. Other people have called for the same thing, but Mitt is a Republican politician who could have been President.

This is like [note: I’m probably about to get some dates and company names wrong here, I read the book “Bailout Nation” by Barry Ritholtz when it came out] the first bail out for Lockheed in the late 1960’s. There was a huge pushback from fiscally conservative Senators. They predicted, correctly, that once the “Bailout Genie” was out of the bottle, it would never be put back in.

If we let the UBI genie out of the bag, it will be a go-to solution for every crisis. Maybe the next one will be of similar magnitude, but as they become more common, there will be an expectation.

Maybe Andrew Yang’s most effective supporter is a small strand of RNA?

QE2Infinity
QE2Infinity
4 years ago

How can taking a walk outside be a bad thing? Sunshine and vitamin D benefit your immune system. Idiot politicians are stepping over each other to see who can be more totalitarian.

numike
numike
4 years ago

just a little side note here: It will not cure/prevent the virus but I would stash some penicillin. You can still buy amoxicillin on Ebay (for fish a aquariums (wink wink)) legally from the USA It should be an item in your stash/arsenal Search for Fish Mox Forte OR go here: link to fishmoxfishflex.com

MiTurn
MiTurn
4 years ago
Reply to  numike

My wife is an RN and she learned years ago that animal meds are the same as human. She has stocked up a nice supply of emergency meds, thanks to the farm and ranch supply store, which has a huge selection of livestock meds.

Now my hope is that we never need to use them!

SmokeyIX
SmokeyIX
4 years ago
Reply to  numike

Those are the exact ones I bought a few weeks ago, along with a bottle of Cipro.

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago

Must have max-ed out my “Likes”. They suddenly went completely unresponsive an hour or two ago on any Mish Talk page. Sigh.

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish

Yeah, seeing the same thing.

Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago

On a lighter note: The picture at the top of this posting.

Golly, it’s impossible to un-see that picture as a screen cap from a poorly cast, low budget Hallmark special “movie”.

Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago

This democrat hoax is getting out of hand. Can’t y’all see what a nothing burger this all is? They’ve even got trump spreading deep state panic. There can be only one explanation: trump is hillary in a fat suit.

SleemoG
SleemoG
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

Now that’s some quality satire

michiganmoon
michiganmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

Trump isn’t the only one BSing about this. Biden himself said on January 31st that Trump’s travel restrictions for people coming out of Wuhan were “racist” and “xenophobic” and travel restrictions “would do more damage.”

The WHO also came out against Trump’s travel restrictions as being “dangerous.”

Some Italian leaders claimed travel restrictions were racist and then encouraged people to hug people from China including at air ports to prove they aren’t racist. Now Italy is #1 in cases and deaths outside of China.

I am not absolving Trump. Trump has fumbled this badly. My point is that ALL WORLD LEADERS HAVE FAILED US.

Mish
Mish
4 years ago

“Mish – no one cares about the deflation right now.”

Causal Observer that was a damn foolish thing to say. Say to see you are clueless about deflation even after all these years.

The fact is, nearly everyone cares. It is about lost wages, it is about the collapse in the stock market, it is about pension underfunding, it is about lost jobs, it is about businesses going underwater.

Please tell me who precisely does not care about any of those things since allegedly “no one cares”

CautiousObserver
CautiousObserver
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

Just so nobody is confused, I think deflation concerns are very relevant. I am not sure how the Federal Government will deal with it. Mandatory forbearance on agency backed mortgages with the Federal Government stepping in the middle to keep creditors whole for the next few months? Issue large amounts of new treasury debt and pass out checks? Who would be eligible? Yikes.

MiTurn
MiTurn
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

I care. I’m living off two pensions, both earned. But I’m fully aware that I might see a loss in payments. What to do? Faith. And a big garden. And I live in the country, where deer are aplenty. And fishing. What else to do if money isn’t worth a hoot?

Phantastic
Phantastic
4 years ago
Reply to  MiTurn

Do the deer in your area have that prion disease yet? CWD?

Ebowalker
Ebowalker
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

Everyone cares about deflation considering almost everyone in the countrys country’s primary asset is their home and 401k

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

I brought the garbage out at 9:30 tonight. It is DEAD quiet, the lights are all on and everybody is home. I am usually the last one to put the garbage out. I looked up and down the street and I can see about 30 houses… I am the only one that put their garbage out. People are so upset they fell out of the normal routine. Oh, and I live near a major hospital and an Air National Guard Base and some pretty big highways…. there are always helicopters in the air from 9AM to 10PM… at least 2 per hour We just realized we haven’t heard any for at least a week.

Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
4 years ago

Mish – no one cares about the deflation right now. No system was prepared for this level of community spread with only 15% of those needing ICU beds actually getting them.

Russell J
Russell J
4 years ago

I agree this is no time to be talking or worring about finances, it’s about to “get real” as they say in the hood. And there’s no amount of money that’s gonna stop it.

MSCowboy
MSCowboy
4 years ago

Mish, a few trillion dollars have been injected into repo markets lately by the Fed, and has been for several months now; yet, it’s never enough. Could you, please, explain this? Where is this money landing? Why is it not ever enough? And what will fix it! TIA.

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  MSCowboy

Remember the good ol’ days when Timothy Geitner told us the Fed would just sell off the balance sheet after the crisis was over? Has anybody contacted Timmy to ask for a clarification of that?

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  MSCowboy

Money is going nowhere. It sits as excess reserves. And Banks who were getting close to 1.5% on excess reserves are now getting nothing. How this was supposed to help is a mystery.

MSCowboy
MSCowboy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

Why then does the Fed have to keep pouring in more and more to these reserves? Are banks supposed to be lending it? Are there no borrowers at these low rates?

MSCowboy
MSCowboy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

And thanks again for the answers.

MSCowboy
MSCowboy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

Is the Fed trying to enforce inflation this way, thinking that money will eventually find its way to the public in low-interest loans.

CautiousObserver
CautiousObserver
4 years ago
Reply to  MSCowboy

It appears to me the Fed is trying to replace some of the credit vaporized as the stock market is repriced lower. I think to the extent stocks can be pledged as credit, they are part of the aggregate money circulating in the system. Imagine if the Fed suddenly withdrew $10T from circulation in the economy. Very deflationary.

If you look at the results of their recent $500B repo operation where the Fed is trying to replace this lost money, they are not offering a good substitute for the credit that has disappeared. Few are making use of their offer. Bailout money from the Federal Government is probably next. Federal Government will issue new debt which the Fed will monetize and that will be given to major businesses that the federal government deems worthy of keeping alive. That might help, I guess. Personally, I hate that the government is constantly picking winners and losers in business. Also, it puts the small businesses who are not eligible for this assistance at another disadvantage relative to the big guys.

MSCowboy
MSCowboy
4 years ago

Thanks, Cautious.

UrbanDigs
UrbanDigs
4 years ago
Reply to  MSCowboy

That money is being used to backstop and add liquidity to the short term repo and financing markets. It’s a loan, not QE. QE is happening in addition. The liquidity backstop was done to mitigate the risk of a credit event in the short term financing credit markets. Look at as a plumbing blockage, and the Fed just drain-o’d it to prevent a backup. It took the chances of a major credit event from high to low. That’s it. That’s all it did. Get the high risk off the table. Now, credit events may still happen and liquidation of large institutions are already causing dislocations, evidence by recent gold and treasury moves during last few big selloffs

CautiousObserver
CautiousObserver
4 years ago
Reply to  UrbanDigs

@UrbanDigs: I would give you a “Like” vote, but that does not seem to be working right now. Thanks for the clarification.

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago

Are buying lottery tickets considered an essential trip? I don’t want to miss a winning opportunity!

xilduq
xilduq
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

essential is a matter of perspective

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago

I live south of SF, but I will not follow any stay-at-home proclamations. Civil liberties do not get suspended other than maybe under martial law.

Also see:
The Coronavirus vs. Civil Liberties
You don’t lose your rights amid a pandemic.
By Dahlia Lithwick
March 16, 2020

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

What is the mayor doing with the poop people? Is the poop patrol still operating? I could see that city becoming another Baltimore.

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

Yes you cannot realistically order everyone to stay home.

So what. Most will.

Where are they going with restaurants and bars and movie theatres etc closed? Exactly where will people go?

So they won’t. No one will be arrested if they go out. They will have the streets to themselves.

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish

They issued the orders today to close virtually everything down in my county, including my gym until April 7th, I will therefore be doing a lot of hiking and expect to see many people on the trails.

The county health officers of 7 counties here have issued a coordinated close order. I am wondering if they truly have the authority to do this. I hope some Libertarian lawyer or the ACLU will call for an immediate injunction in court until and if it is determined that this order is legal.

Anda
Anda
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

In Portugal the PM is talking of two months.

“António Costa. “The peak will be growing until the end of April and does not end until the end of May”

The prime minister did not try to hide him. The pandemic is going to last and until the end of May there is no prospect that the scenario will improve. From then on, if the curve of the evolution of the epidemic starts to fall, the Portuguese may start to see some light at the end of the tunnel as far as confinement is concerned. But it will not be immediately.”

Places where people are totally forcefully confined for that much time (i.e. only allowed out for essentials), hard to imagine, especially big cities.

Ceuta and Melilla, Spanish enclaves in north Africa, have all connections with Spain cut.

Herkie
Herkie
4 years ago

Notice how nobody ever really defines ESSENTIAL? I was one of the people that did not hoard, now if I want to get groceries I have to drive all over the county, shortened hours, empty shelves, gouging, sure that last store had a $65 ham but I can’t use that, it would take me two weeks to eat that. And I did see chicken feet as well as trotters at one store, but I am not eating chicken feet no matter what they say.

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  Herkie

But I bet the cops know what essential means. If it looks like the stop may end with a civil forfeiture, go for it. It has gotten out of hand. BTW, Joe Biden voted for it while he was a Senator.

Herkie
Herkie
4 years ago
Reply to  Greggg

So did every republican.

Russell J
Russell J
4 years ago
Reply to  Herkie

Don’t worry Herkie Nancy Pelosi is working to get her hands on $800 billion to save us. Thats about $2.4 billion per citizen.

As soon as she get’s that money you won’t have to be responsible for your own ass at all. Mommy Nancy and Daddy Chucky are gonna take care of you.

ohno
ohno
4 years ago
Reply to  Russell J

Actually only a couple grand per person dont get excited because your common core calculator says otherwise

Russell J
Russell J
4 years ago
Reply to  ohno

I was being sarcastic about “us” seeing any of the $ or any benefit and Herkie not having to make decisions for his own well being. I thought it was obvious.

Herkie
Herkie
4 years ago
Reply to  Russell J

Russel, I normally like you and of course wish to reason with you, but I am a 100% disabled veteran, my entire income comes from the treasury defending you ass. So stop being such a pig about politics when what really counts is your support for your veterans.

DBG8489
DBG8489
4 years ago
Reply to  Herkie

You mean “did not prepare” instead of “did not hoard” don’t you?

Everyone laughed at me a month ago when I was going to Walmart and buying pound after pound of brisket, rice, and beans, supplies to make homemade Gatorade, and lots of first aid supplies.

I am not a survivalist – this isn’t my lifestyle. But I looked at what was happening, did the math, and then made a very long list of what I thought I would need or could trade with if things totally went off the rails.

You could have done the same – as could all those who were laughing.

Now no one is laughing and I am a “hoarder”…

Herkie
Herkie
4 years ago
Reply to  DBG8489

Basically no. We were being told that we should be careful but act normally and certainly not be pigs and hoard or panic. Those that heeded the advice now find empty shelves. I hope 90% of what the hoarders bought rots and gets freezer burned.

DBG8489
DBG8489
4 years ago
Reply to  Herkie

So you’re upset at me – and people like me – because you failed to take of yourself and/or your family? You want those of us who risked thousands of dollars and relationships with family and friends to burn because you chose poorly?

I see you’re a vet – so am I – six years including two tours in the sandbox. I would expect that as a vet, you – more than anyone else – would understand that at the end of the day, you are responsible for you. And no, being disabled doesn’t absolve you of that responsibility. If anything, it adds to it.

One of the things that led me to do the math and realize that I needed to do whatever I could to prepare was when Mish posted Chris Martenson’s video back in January. I’d already been following the virus for a while and after I saw that, I did the math for myself and began to prepare. Once Italy took off and I saw the real-world effects, I redoubled my efforts.

You are the FIFTH comment to that post. And in that comment, you state that if we locked down the US that day it would be too late. Which means you knew AT THAT POINT – in JANUARY – what the danger was and yet you CHOSE to do nothing. Now with the shit hitting the fan you want to point at those who chose to prepare and claim that they are somehow responsible for the suffering of others. That’s sad…and pathetic.

I am not a rich person. I live paycheck-to-paycheck. I made a very risky call to take money that was supposed to be spent on bills and devote it instead to preparing for this. I am behind on my rent and ran the risk that my utilities will be shut off because I thought that it was more important that I be prepared so that myself and my family were NOT a burden on other people or society.

You seem to think that your service to the country entitles you to some special dispensation or makes everyone around you responsible for your well-being. It doesn’t. All of us chose that path – regardless of the reasons – and all of us knew the risks when we signed the contract. Your service – as noble as it may have been – doesn’t entitle you to the service of others for the rest of your life.

So you can continue to be bitter and lash out at those around you while spending your days posting on this board and complaining about the hand you were dealt, or you can take what time is left and do what you can to plan and prepare and take care of yourself.

The choices you make – along with the consequences – are yours alone.

Hoo-yah

Russell J
Russell J
4 years ago
Reply to  Herkie

Herkie I do apologize, that did cross the line of jokey snark to something else. I know you lean left so I thought it would be funny.

It’s certainly not an offense to your service. Both my parents are veterans, my Mom is partially disabled from an injury during her service and my Dad has beaten leukemia twice from the exposure during his service.

No hard feelings I hope.

klausmkl
klausmkl
4 years ago

I am dog watching. The dog is a management problem, digging holes and whining , oh the misery

Kimo
Kimo
4 years ago
Reply to  klausmkl

Dogs are potential food sources. You’re good to go.

Anda
Anda
4 years ago
Reply to  Kimo

Poop scoop parties eh ?

bradw2k
bradw2k
4 years ago

Told my team this morning to take a couple of hours off to go buy whatever they still need to get. Went myself (forgot that not having extra cat litter could become a real problem, ha), and the supermarket was fine, though the normal looks of boredom have been replaced with looks of concern. … But that announcement out of SF, holy wow that is going to take the panic buying up a couple notches.

bradw2k
bradw2k
4 years ago
Reply to  bradw2k

Aaaand Governor Kate Brown of Oregon just announced no gatherings of more than 25 people for 4 weeks (excepting grocery stores etc) … gatherings of 10 people are discouraged.

Herkie
Herkie
4 years ago
Reply to  bradw2k

Brad I am a democrat and liberal, but I cannot stand that bitch or her girlfriend that is speaker of the house, Tina Kotex.

Bam_Man
Bam_Man
4 years ago

Everything will soon sell for “the cash price”.

That means, “much lower than now.”

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man

There goes the auto industry. The dealers live on finance boondoggles. Housing costs… that too, including rent.

michiganmoon
michiganmoon
4 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man

Price to book ratio will be 1 to 1?

klausmkl
klausmkl
4 years ago

Now those that saved for a rainy day will ride out the storm, for the rainy day is here. Now those that did not, get the big nothing sandwich.

RayLopez
RayLopez
4 years ago
Reply to  klausmkl

Very traditional, but the way American politics has evolved over the last few decades, those that did not save will be coming for your savings…via greater spending, higher deficits and down the road taxation.

MiTurn
MiTurn
4 years ago
Reply to  klausmkl

Klausmkl, me and the wife have been preparing for over a month for this. We’re set. Enough TP to share with the neighbors. Here’s a quote you see floating around the intertubes, at the risk of sounding trite: “Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after a pandemic will seem inadequate.”

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago

Wouldn’t it have been easier to quarantine all the old f**kers like us? Young healthy people can withstand the virus and maybe develop an immunity. How long can small businesses close down before they fail?

numike
numike
4 years ago
Reply to  Greggg

If you are young, the worry is more about transmitting virus to older people than about yourself. link to kottke.org

Kimo
Kimo
4 years ago
Reply to  numike

Quarantine the old does does not mean keep the Old from other Old, it means keep the Old from everyone, including the young.

Phantastic
Phantastic
4 years ago
Reply to  Greggg

More than half of the people in intensive care in France are under 60.

Brother
Brother
4 years ago
Reply to  Greggg

This is Government running healthcare what you expect?

Ted R
Ted R
4 years ago

I would call it ‘complete’deflation. Not much left to do but ride it out and hope you can keep your doors open if you are a small or even medium size business. Best of luck to everyone in business.

RayLopez
RayLopez
4 years ago

@MishTalk – care to place bets that the November elections be temporarily suspended? It’s not in the constitution, and in fact, say some internet wags, this would favor the Democratic party! See internet screen scape below*.

In Greece you need a police permit to go to work, on the pain of a 5k or so Euro fine, and no more than 4 people allowed into stores at any one time. Luckily I’m at a self-sufficient farm here, and it’s rather nice, with some friends. – RL

*Jeremy March 16, 2020 at 11:13 am The U.S. Constitution makes it very clear: on January 20th, at noon, if there hasn’t been an election and nobody has voted, Nancy Pelosi becomes President of the United States. Ignacio March 16, 2020 at 11:57 am But, if there had been no elections, Nancy’s term will also have expired. Then, wouldn’t the president be the President pro tempore of the Senate?

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  RayLopez

If this happened in Sept, I could see the election being suspended. But everything will be clear in a month or two.

Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

This is a corona virus (a cold virus) and if is anything like other corona viruses, it is a lot less seasonal than the flu. Ever have a cold during the summer months? I have had a few. I could see this re-emerging lots of times in the future including summer.

ohno
ohno
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

Gee i’m so glad you know the future I feel better now.

Kimo
Kimo
4 years ago
Reply to  RayLopez

The Constitution is very plain, that only Officers of the United States may be chosen. Pelosi, and all other members of Congress are not Officers, unlike Cabinet members, who are Officers. Simple laws can not supersede this requirement.

ohno
ohno
4 years ago
Reply to  RayLopez

LMAO stay away from libtards as they are going to burst into flames.

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