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Industrial Production Peaked 18 Months Ago, Where’s the Recession?

When Industrial Production Peaks, recession soon follows. The only exceptions were the lengthy lead time ahead of the Covid recession, and now.

Industrial Production data from the Fed, chart by Mish.

Industrial Production fell steeply from September of 2022 December of 2022. The dive in manufacturing started a month later and was steeper.

Housing was extremely weak in this period as well. Real (inflation-adjusted) consumer spending was tanking and a huge divergence between Gross Domestic Income and Gross Domestic Product developed.

I called for a recession, actually, made the claim we were in one. Somehow, we never quite hit the tipping point. The following chart shows how unusual this is, just for industrial production alone.

Recession Lead Time After Industrial Production Peak

Recession Lead Times, Mish Calculation Based on Fed Data

Real and Nominal Retail Sales

Between April of 2022 and December of 2022, real (inflation-adjusted) retail sales fell from 234,066 to 224,411. That’s a decline of 4.1 percent.

Housing Starts Plunged in 2022

Housing starts from the Census Department, chart by Mish

I posted the above chart earlier today in Housing Starts Plunge 14.7 Percent, Multi-Family Very Weak For a Year

The period under discussion now is the end of 2022.

Housing starts peaked in March of 2022 at 1,803 and fell to 1,340 in January of 2023. That’s a plunge of 25.7 percent.

Synopsis

  • Housing Starts: -25.7%
  • Real Retail Sales: -4.1%
  • Industrial Production: -1.9%
  • Real Gross Domestic Income 2022 Q4: -3.0 Percent

Allegedly, there was no recession. And I don’t think the NBER will call one either.

Everything started to stabilize at the beginning of 2023. Why?

Enter the Inflation Reduction Act

President Biden signed the IRA on August 16, 2022.

On April 27, 2023 I noted The Inflation Reduction Act Price Jumps From $385 Billion to Over $1 Trillion

The cost keeps rising. Goldman Sachs now says the cost is $1.2 trillion with the uncapped tax credits now costing three times what Democrats claimed.

By Goldman’s estimate, the IRA tax credits will cost tens to hundreds of billions more than CBO estimated over 10 years.

Goldman says the difference in the EV credit estimates owes to its projection that more vehicles will meet the law’s “self-sufficiency” mineral and battery material conditions for the partial $3,750 consumer credit and full $7,500 credit. But even Goldman’s estimate for the EV credit could be low if Treasury loosely interprets the credit conditions, which is what auto makers are lobbying for.

Auto makers are also racing to take advantage of a tax credit for locally manufactured battery cells and modules by setting up plants in the U.S. Similar to Goldman’s estimate, an analysis last month by Mercatus Center fellow Christine McDaniel projected that the tax credit for battery production could cost up to $196.5 billion.

Ford’s Michigan plant with Chinese battery maker CATL alone could cost $1.5 billion annually in credits. Goldman estimates the tax credit could shave the cost of battery production by 35% to 42%, though EVs would still cost 17% more than vehicles with internal combustion engines. While tax credits will improve auto maker EV margins, it’s not clear whether they will make EVs profitable.

Goldman predicts the IRA will “drive” $3 trillion in climate investments—that is, reallocate $3 trillion in capital across the economy. Oil and gas companies will spend less on increasing production and more on developing carbon capture technologies, hydrogen and biofuels that are profitable only with the IRA’s rich tax credits. Expect energy prices to rise.

Eliminating the tax credits, Goldman adds, would constitute an “effective tax increase,” which Republicans may be loath to vote for. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis last year vetoed a bill that would have scaled back rooftop solar subsidies after the solar lobby denounced it as a “tax.” Will Republicans have the courage to claw back the green handouts going to their business friends?

Then at the start of 2023, taxpayers got a huge tax break.

2022 vs 2023 Federal Tax Rates

 Anything Else? Yes! Anything Else? Yes!

Minimum Wage in States with Increases in 2023

For discussion of the preceding two charts please see Explaining a Huge Inflationary Jump in Disposable Personal Income

And in the past three years, Biden has canceled $138 billion in federal student loans.

Those actions stabilized the economy in early 2023. Then minimum wages hikes kicked in and huge union wage increases followed.

That combination is how we avoided recession in late 2022 and early 2023.

So what do we do for an encore?

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A D
A D
2 years ago

They will delay reporting a recession until after the November election. Please tell that to George Noory and his audience.

AussiePete56
AussiePete56
2 years ago

The unemployment level has just crossed its two-year moving average – this has a solid track record of predicting recession….

https://twitter.com/i3_invest/status/1780640845567341014/photo/1

N C
N C
2 years ago

So we just kicked the can down the road (again)?

Willie Nelson II
Willie Nelson II
2 years ago
Reply to  N C

Who is this “we” you speak of?

“We” the senile wet farts in Congress who are issuing trillions in debt?

Or “we” the younger generations who were denied a proper education (especially math and history) and are expected to repay their elders’ debts using social justice whining?

N C
N C
2 years ago

Both

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago

“So what do we do for an encore?”

Some are talking of FED rate hikes, instead of rate cuts. One mentioned a 1/4 point increase early next year. Another speculated of a further rise to 6.5%.

This morning, KNX News Radio said in a news teaser, that a survey showed that 40% of people in L.A. worry about becoming homeless.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

Yes. The end is near. Everyone to their bomb shelters.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave

It is really rather obvious there is a “disturbance in the force.” Lived here since late 1970’s and never have so many been worried about potentially being homeless. Never have seen so many empty store fronts on Hollywood Blvd. or downtown Beverly Hills. Never have seen the National Debt going off the charts. Never have seen WEF elitists talk of a Great Reset, until the last few years. It’s not even a conspiracy theory, they talk about it openly. Laugh if you like, but what is going on isn’t funny.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

Disturbance in the force? Okay Darth.

So what are you doing to help the homeless that you care so much about? Let me guess. Nothing. Because you’re a complainer. Not a person of action. Why don’t you go help the homeless? Go ahead. Do something.

Or are you waiting for the government that you hate so much to do something? And if they do, you will probably complain about that as well.

Stu
Stu
2 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave

As with everything, there are always exceptions…

– World population should continue to grow. Which means that demand for basic necessities such as water, food, shelter and energy will continue to grow. > That all depends. I see lots of reasons why it may not grow at all. Medical catastrophes are taking lives at alarming numbers, Wars have broken our around the globe, and taking lives at alarming numbers. I see starvation, homelessness, disease, and crime, as a few examples continuing to take more and more lives around the globe.

– Technology will continue to advance, and change the job market, requiring more skilled workers. > Actually it is just the opposite in many cases. Take EV’s for example. They are so much easier and faster to build, and with. Minimal skill set at most. With Technology comes advances in manufacturing and the way things are built becomes easier and easier. Remember, the ideas behind technology is to eliminate labor expenses. Why do you think “Fast Food” is at break neck speed in having technology do order taking, payment, delivery, etc.

– Prices of most things affected by technology will continue to drop, while everything else will go up in price. > You may want to let everyone buying an EV, Hybrid, Smart Home, Home Charging, Smart Phone, Electricity efficiency etc. that’s the case, because I see some serious rebates owed to the masses if that were true.

– Just like all those here who have confidently been predicting a recession. Wrong, year after year after year. > The fact that the recession has been postponed by money printing and other shenanigans, doesn’t mean we are not in one right now. We are and have been, but it has been papered over, and side shows have taken it off of the topic of discussion. I do believe we are in one, and have been for about 2 years or so. I also think the games are about to end, and we will soon bear the brunt of what was put of until tomorrow. Well tomorrow may soon be here…

– I will make a prediction. Many of you will continue to predict doom and gloom and hide in your bunker with your gold bars and guns, while searching out every cult conspiracy theory possible. > No doom and gloom here as I have prepared for it. I have no bunker, and love the outside and never hide out for anything. No Gold, No Guns and No Conspiracy Theories here, but food supply, yes, money stored away, yes, a garden, yes, A GV I can repair, yes, Etc. No reason to predict doom, but a good time to plan accordingly just in case!!

Richard F
Richard F
2 years ago

Since credit creation is basis of consumer spending, Major Banks just reported deterioration in their credit card businesses on the payment delinquency/default side.
Commercial real estate continues its dump and Banks are unable to sweep that under carpet.

Event is developing in Residential Condo market as units are aging. Little to no money has been set aside by Home owners associations to remodel. Owners are starting to get socked with big hikes to pay for repair and maintenance as units approach 20 year mark from construction. Since costs are easily double what they were 20 years ago many people will be forced to sell as they do not have assets available to pay for maintenance.
Pumping up government debt financed spending skews GDP so as to cover for what is going on in real economy.

Effects of two tier economy.
Also as wealth has gotten concentrated in a narrowing segment of populace those who are able continue to spend. Attempting to ward off inflation affects.
While those who have fallen from the economic ladder can not pay their Bills. These people will be affecting outcome of 2024 election as they are in the proverbial Dire Straits.

Layoffs are hitting in broader economy. ie Amazon reducing size of employed as it uses more robots to replace shipping and warehouse personnel. These are the people who live hand to mouth and they will be hurting.

A definition of Recession has become an academic debate. However all the signs that one is already here or about to break are currently visible. In past even just a few of these before mentioned occurrences would have triggered a slowdown.

Fed in meantime will be sitting on its hands until something visibly breaks. Capital markets will likewise not be bidding down interest rates anticipating lower rates.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
2 years ago

The recession has been purposely pushed out until January, 2025 when Trump takes office.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago

I predict the Fed may be hiking rates this summer. You read that right. There is also too much credit and money in the system so he look for alternative ways to tame inflation.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/global-markets-view-usa-2024-04-17/

Laura
Laura
2 years ago

I think thats a good possibility. Inflation#’s will be a lot higher by the time the Fed meeting is in June.

Spencer
Spencer
2 years ago

Contrary to the FED’s technical staff, retail MMMFs are nonbanks.

In my 1958 Money and Banking text. “Purchases and sales between the Reserve banks and non-bank investors directly affect both bank reserves (outside money) and the money stock (inside money).”

Mises has it right:

“The definition of M2 includes money market securities, mutual funds, and other time deposits. However, an investment in a mutual fund is in fact an investment in various money market instruments. The quantity of money is not altered as a result of this investment; the ownership of money has only changed temporarily. Hence, including mutual funds as part of M2 results in the double counting of money.”

see: “Correlations and the Definition of the Money Supply”

October 19, 2023

https://www.misesfans.org/2023/10/correlations-and-definition-of-money.html

There’s not much new under the sun. It’s the credit school vs. the money school.

Since the monetary authorities make their determinations on the basis of the size and not the “mix” or the bank credit proxy, there is no a priori reason to assume that an expansion of time deposits will alter the FOMC’s consensus as to the proper volume and rate of change in bank credit.

The FOMC’s proviso “bank credit proxy” used to be included in the FOMC’s directive during the period Sept 66 – Sept 69. That’s the “credit school” (that the money stock is a by-product of credit policy, as opposed to the “money school” (the tangible stock of our primary or means-of-payment money supply, is the only valid indicator of monetary conditions).

Increases in DFI loans and investments [earning assets/bank credit], are approximately the same as increases in transaction accounts, TRs, and time deposits, TDs, [savings-investment deposits/bank liabilities/bank credit proxy] excluding IBDDs.

That the net absolute increase in these two figures is so nearly identical is no happenstance, for TRs largely come into being through the credit creating process, and TDs owe their origin almost exclusively to TRs – either directly through transfer from TRs or indirectly via the currency route or through the DFI’s undivided profits accounts.  

In the credit school, large CDs constitute an increase in credit. They are thus, obviously, an increase in the money stock. Large CDs represent shifts from other deposit classifications. In other words, monetary policy is loose.  Combine that with the FED counting MMMFs as banks and you get the rise in gold and other commodities, in other words, a rise in inflation.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Spencer

The only way out is to reduce the money supply and actually remove money from the system. Rate hikes alone won’t address the rampant increase in M2.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago

You need unemployment to spike higher for a recession. To me it feels like the Fed keeps trying to defer the inevitable. Uncle Jerome is not going to lower rates anytime soon.

Blurtman
Blurtman
2 years ago

An increase in total gubberment spending and an increase in housing investment?

Willie Nelson II
Willie Nelson II
2 years ago

All of Mish’s economic indicators are dated … they come from a time when the USA had moderate levels of debt, and more or less paid its bills.

A country that constantly prints currency and constantly issues new debt, and only argues about how much to print and how much to “borrow” needs to be modeled differently. Parasites behave differently.

I’m not sure “borrow” is the right word… the cowards have zero intent to ever repay, so it is just a bunch of losers stealing from their own children and grandchildren.

Someone is going to pay for this debt. Not necessarily in money. Since these cowards won’t pay their debts, their children will get the bill.

John Bridger
John Bridger
2 years ago

Another good piece to the puzzle. I have always been interested in what drives abrupt changes in the steady states in interest rates across trading partners. In July through to September of 2022 10 year spreads of both the US and the UK dramatically widened relative to Canada and after that stayed there to this day. Seems unwarranted and I can’t explain it. Anyone have an idea as to why? I would not of thought Canada to be a deserving beneficiary of that sort of sea change.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
2 years ago

The recession is here and has been for a long while, but thanks to the endless money printing, only the lower and (ever-shrinking) middle class feel it. Well, they feel it so long as they work for a living and own no assets besides their primary residence. If they get inflation-adjusted transfer payments and/or own investments, they’re really not feeling it too much. Everyone thinks the current fraud will end eventually, and a “real” recession will finally manifest…but we should really start to ask now, why would it? the old dynamic has changed. The printing has worked just fine in hiding the reality of the situation, so why stop?

Willie Nelson II
Willie Nelson II
2 years ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

Only the truly stupid believe in a free lunch.

You might not have to pay immediately, but the “dynamic” has not changed. What changed is that grandparents and parents used to sacrifice to give their kids a better life.

Marxists sell the family silver, and then borrow against their kids future earnings. They are a truly despicable group of people. Sooner or later, all socialists / Marxists run out of other people’s money, and then they retreat to a corner and try to blame others for socialism’s endless failures. Their children, who relied on their cowardly parents for a good start in the world, are instead debt slaves forced to pay for their parent’s behavior.

There is no free lunch.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 years ago

Predictions!

Some things are relatively easy to predict, though not with 100% certainty. Such as:

World population should continue to grow. Which means that demand for basic necessities such as water, food, shelter and energy will continue to grow.

Mankind will continue GHG emissions, which will continue to warm the planet, causing more economic stresses.

Demographics. In a large number of countries, birth rates are dropping and the number of elderly (retired) is rapidly growing, which results in a shortage of skilled workers. This will continue for a while.

Technology will continue to advance, and change the job market, requiring more skilled workers.

Prices of most things affected by technology will continue to drop, while everything else will go up in price.

But trying to predict a recession, inflation, deflation, interest rates, GDP etc is very difficult and those attempting to make those predictions are bound to be wrong most of the time.

Yet many folks here seem to think that the Fed, the government, academics, economists, and other “experts” should be able to predict these things with a high degree of accuracy, and lambast them when they get it wrong. Of course they will be wrong most of the time. To think otherwise is downright stupid.

Just like all those here who have confidently been predicting a recession, depression, hyperinflation, the end of the world, and other assorted doom and gloom for decades. Wrong, year after year after year.

I will make a prediction. Many of you will continue to predict doom and gloom and hide in your bunker with your gold bars and guns, while searching out every cult conspiracy theory possible; and I will continue to focus on improving my health and wealth and looking forward to a better future.

Gotta love this market volatility. I hope some of you are taking advantage of it.

Cliff C
Cliff C
2 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Retirees on a fixed income will continue to be squeezed. We will not live a lot longer, so no problem, right?

Neal
Neal
2 years ago
Reply to  Cliff C

Problem is many retirees will live 20 or 30 years past retirement. So if they retired say in 2020 then they have to allow their pensions and savings to somehow make it to 2040 or 2050 and perhaps longer for their widow. Do you think this house of cards will keep funding underfunded pension schemes or that their won’t be a market crash that might wreck either the capital value of their assets should they need the money or any dividend payments?
And a squeeze of a couple percent each year become a crushing penury after a few decades such that any pension becomes a life of a poor existence.

Phil
Phil
2 years ago
Reply to  Cliff C

I suggest retirees get s part time job and definitely continue to invest in equities. Value stocks, mid and large cap.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 years ago
Reply to  Cliff C

I don’t worry about that. I focus on my life; not on everyone elses. Their lives are up to them.

Think you won’t live much longer? You should have taken better care of yourself.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave

The WEF isn’t even a conspiracy theory. It is right out in the open. The WHO’s Pandemic Treaty and IHR amendment isn’t a conspiracy theory. It is right out in the open. GOF testing isn’t a conspiracy theory either. Musk noted that most of the conspiracy theories about Twitter, turned out to be true.

Back in the day, there were times when wealth was confiscated. JP Morgan Chase laid claim to segregated client accounts at MF Global. Clients had believed that money was untouchable. Webb talks of the possibility of same on a much larger scale.

PapaDave
PapaDave
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

Lol. Nice that you “out” yourself!

Do you stand on street corners with signs that say “The End Is Near”, or “Tell Me A Conspiracy, I’ll Believe It”.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
2 years ago

From October 2018 to the COVID lows in 2020, the market traced out a wave 4 flat. Similarly, from January 2022 to October 2023, the stock market traced out a wave 4 flat, but at one degree greater. These market corrections were long enough for economic data to indicate a recession was coming, but since they were part of a much larger bull market, recessions never happened.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

Yeah Ten or so Trillion in conjured-up dollars that don’t belong there will certainly do that!

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago

Recessions come when people are out of work and can’t buy stuff but there have been no major layoffs, does anyone want to guess why even after a 500% increase in the central bank rate?

The social security snapshot for march is out so let’s review
Month # of socialists   #cost of socialist          change
Jan  71,725 million      $118,966m ($118.9 billion)  122k new socialists
Feb  71,785 million      $119,395m ($119.4 billion)  160k new socialists
Mar  72,033 million      $119,837m ($119.8 billion)  148k new socialists

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/2024-03.html

Who needs layoffs when in Q1 430,000 people attrition themselves from the labor force and became socialists?

There are probably another 200k+ that also “retired” but haven’t started their socialism journey so let’s make than 630k people leaving the labor force in Q1.  Skilled & experienced people replaced by TikTok scrollers not interested in anything beyond the next woke outrage or funny video.

Any wonder why there are still labor shortages?  So no one gets laid off AND the government is handing out $120 billion in free money monthly to socialists to go out and spend as they will but people wonder why inflation isn’t abating?  The Fed is clueless about this?

In Q1, social security handed out $358 billion in cash and that doesn’t include medicare! And here’s the kicker, the IRA will eventually burn through their budget but social security will burn forever until it goes broke or gets cancelled along with medicare.

It’s turtles all the way down and inflation all the way up.

Frilton Miedman
Frilton Miedman
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

You’re missing the secret weapon, job creating / trickle-down tax cuts for billionaires who create jobs in China & Mexico, which will balance the budget and magically create wealth via trickledown….as long as we build a wall @ Mexico to keep the job stealing vermin out.

Last edited 2 years ago by Frilton Miedman
Radar
Radar
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

SS is not socialist welfare, it’s getting your money back that you paid in.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago
Reply to  Radar

Wrong. There is no way for you to have paid in your COLA nor any of the ever changing enhancements to social security, no way. I don’t doubt you paid money into SS but that went out of your paycheck and into someone else’s hand the day you “paid for it” and that money is GONE.

Today’s free money hand outs are coming out of working people’s pockets not some imaginary trust fund you think is sitting there with your name on it.

You’ll discover the reality of that statement when SS goes broke in 2034 or 2031 and no more free money goes out. Maybe you’ll get 10 cents on the dollar if you’re lucky.

The smart thing to do was load up 401k’s, IRAs and other accounts with a ton of money with your name on it so you don’t need socialism to begin with and then live happily ever after socialist-free like a true capitalist, libertarian patriot.

Radar
Radar
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

The government borrows the money from the trust fund to give to people with the promise to pay it back. SS will always be around, they will just change laws to punish savers to keep it afloat. Like lowering the rmd age and/or recalculating the percentage you are required to withdraw.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago
Reply to  Radar

“The government borrows the money from the trust fund”

And now you have defined socialism. The government compelled you to “pay for it” and then they borrowed it and handed it to someone else and now it needs to take from others to give to you.

And for your sake, I hope you have a plan b in case it’s not “always around.”

Any questions?

radar
radar
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

I don’t care what the government does with my money as long as they give it back like they promised. When it gets in a bind the savers will bail it out. Tax deferred plans will become the biggest bait-and-switch deal-with-the-devil ever contrived. Hope you have a plan b as well.

Last edited 2 years ago by radar
steve
steve
2 years ago

Frantic money ‘printing’ props up the equities and banks, momentarily warding off the investor dreaded big ‘R’, while the full blown, deepening inflationary depression and social collapse crushes the real economy and hopes for the future.

Bill
Bill
2 years ago

Massive government spending combined with the suspension of the debt ceiling limit tabled until mid 2025. Weird how the high can last so long when the coke is scheduled to flow and be legal until mid 2025?! The trajectory of the debt is astonishing and steepening! All in the name of the check-valve placement by the wealth holders whose complicity is required and encouraged!

Laura
Laura
2 years ago

We’re in a recession now. I’m predicting a depression within the next three years.

Ursel Doran
Ursel Doran
2 years ago

Here is the thing; gold to me is an indicator as much as it is a monetary value retainer and risk manager.
I disregard views of gold as some kind of play; as a market among other markets.” 
https://nftrh.com/2024/04/11/macro-turning-in-favor-of-gold/

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
2 years ago

All made possible by a trillion dollars of new debt every 100 days!!!

Hank
Hank
2 years ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Bravo Fast Eddy. Extra ice cream for you.

When THE PEOPLE have had enough and this ponzi bullshit spending comes to a FORCED end, the recession hits like a freight train and goes straight to DEEP depression. And it all could have been avoided but the fukin greedy “get mine” wouldn’t allow it to happen naturally along with the criminal FED and their only mandate to pump wall street and satisfy the fukin greedy “get mine” mouth droolers.

William Delouvrely
William Delouvrely
2 years ago

Don’t worry, Mish, we are living in that time when (just like in the “Coyote and Roadrunner cartoons” where the Coyote doesn’t fall down after rushing off the
cliff until he finally realizes there is nothing but plain air under his feet)
things are kept afloat with “unknown desperate forces” which we all don’t quite
understand.

Hounddog Vigilante
Hounddog Vigilante
2 years ago

A higher minimum wage = higher unemployment/shrinking workforce… a net loss for everyone not lucky enough to still have a salary job. In other words, increasing the MW hurts the very folks it is intended to help… typical progressive policy, frankly.

Any expected benefits to households from a higher minimum wage are more than offset by a reduction of hours worked, either from lay-offs, reduced shifts, or an outright demotion to part-time employment status. Further, towns and neighborhoods continue to LOSE the businesses that hold communities together… cafes, restaurants, galleries, non-franchise retail,… none of these businesses can survive higher overhead/MW/payroll costs. Exhibit A: blue states & cities, which are now relatively empty & dying.

Last edited 2 years ago by Hounddog Vigilante
Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
2 years ago
  1. As Lyn Alden says maybe rolling sectors
  2. Pelosi stealinng incoming Congress spending authority with outrageous bill, then new Congress keeping it there
  3. CHIps Act and Inflation Enhancement, aka Green New Deal money burning act injects more trillions for corps
  4. The recession hits when corps have to refinance at higher rates, which is coming later this year and for the next couple years

So depression inbound. The Dark Powers may even let Trump win so they can blame it on him.

KGB
KGB
2 years ago

The recession is living on the sidewalks of downtown San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, and New York City.

Rob McFlooty
Rob McFlooty
2 years ago

Why haven’t the academics at Harvard (home to NBER) declared a recession?

Haven’t they been a little busy with a plagiarizing college president? A donor class dominated by pro-Israel alum, but a DEI selected class dominated by pro-Gaza students?

A faculty that prosecutes student plagiarists, rewards faculty plagiarism if it means getting published more – and raises tuition by 3-4x inflation year after year after year? A board of trustees (Harvard Corporation) that operates the largest hedge fund in the country, without paying a penny in taxes, while complaining that other people aren’t paying enough?

I reject the notion that its not a recession unless the NBER says so, but if we are going with that definition, then the NBER was otherwise occupied.

And many of the NBER members think the economy went straight into stagflation, but they are not allowed to say so without getting cancelled and chased off campus

Rob McFlooty
Rob McFlooty
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob McFlooty

PS – why was the lead time between IP peaking and recession between a month and a quarter for decades… but then increased to 10+ months after a lot of manufacturing was outsourced to China?

Whatever the mechanism was, it seems to have changed. Hetroscedastic distribution in NBER terminology. The prior signal broke (or changed) 20 years ago

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob McFlooty

Who would have thought that such honourably sounded institution as NBER has been a private enterprise of sort?
Then again, it has been the revolving door for elites to be parked between government appointments.

Frilton Miedman
Frilton Miedman
2 years ago

Mish, Google “Russell Napier’s predictions” or watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avvv7c8xEok

You’ll find it humorously interesting, given all the “The Fed’s lost control” rants in recent years.

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