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Is China’s Huawei a Threat or Is US Snooping the Real Phone Threat?

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Who is the 5-G Threat?

Eurointelligence has some interesting and thought provoking Thoughts About Huawei

Italian, German and Belgian police scored a huge success two days ago in their fight against the ’Ndrangheta, the Calabrian mafia organization, which operates like a European corporation.

The German police said they had trouble locating the most senior members of the crime ring in the past because they could not locate them. The ’Ndrangheta used to be old-school. They did not use mobile phones, and preferred to drive hundreds of kilometers in their cars to meet up. The German end of the raid succeeded this time because police were able to locate the mobile phone of one of the main suspects. The interesting question for us is how did they do this?

When intelligence agencies, the German one included, warn about Huawei as a provider of 5G technology, they are claiming that Huawei would send the data to China. Huawei has retorted that it is technically feasible to stop this, and has offered to co-operate. Our, albeit limited understanding of this matter, is that Huawei is technically right. If we were really serious about adding a security lawyer, we would be able to do this. The question is: do we want to? We are wondering whether the stated reasons by the US and European security agencies are genuine. We recall that the US managed to eavesdrop on Angela Merkel, who has been one of the big supporters of Huawei’s 5G engagement in Germany. We would assume that her perspective on data security threat is a different one from that of the official narratives.

The Iraq weapons-of-mass-destruction fiasco should be a warning that we should demand incontrovertible proof from security agencies, and not base our political decisions on blind trust. If Huawei poses a security threat, we feel that it is a claim that needs to be subjected to the same standard.

Key Question of the Day

Do we really fear that the Chinese government can listen in on the phone conversations or do we fear we won’t be able to do this ourselves anymore?

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PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
After what happened to Edward Snowden, I don’t think that you are going to find out.
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wmjack50
wmjack50
3 years ago
The Administrative State in DC has to justify their $575 million daily pay–these parasites all average $100,000 salary—fear is one method
KINGS and Queens have always used to keep the serfs in line
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prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
How quickly and easily we went from “reds under the bed” paranoia to “yellows under the bed” paranoia. Jeez.
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Mjs357
Mjs357
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
1989-2016 How much public discussion was there regarding the threat from China? Most of it was Islamic terrorism. Oh and BTW, Obama shut down ChinaMobile 213 license to operate in US. So, guess he was paranoid too.
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
If Ukraine hadn’t given up its nuclear weapons it wouldn’t have been invaded by Russia so a healthy dose of watchfulness is merited if you want to survive.
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Does that mean you can’t find fault with North Korean and Iranian nuclear ambitions?
The quality of Ukraine’s democracy is a bit iffy.
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Their democracy was not the best but it was moving in the right direction where Russia was moving back into the dark pit it was in before. If your criteria is that it has to be a full-fledged democracy before supporting them then you would not have supported many past imperfect democracies that today are vibrant ones who have become treasured friends and allies. The destination is important but the direction is just as important.
People find fault in the nuclear programs of North Korea and Iran because they belong to regimes that are radically dictatorial. All other nuclear powers such as India and Israel have shown themselves to be responsible players when it comes to nuclear weapons while NK and Iran keep threatening other countries their use on them.
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“past imperfect democracies that today are vibrant ones who have become treasured friends and allies?”
Which countries are these that have become so vibrant that they are treasured friends and allies?
As for responsible nuclear players, so far every country in the world has been a responsible nuclear player since no one has used nuclear weapons after WWII.
I’ve also asked many times, why don’t we just send Ukraine nuclear weapons right now. Why bother sending more conventional arms that prolong the invasion and kill/main Ukrainian soldiers and destroy infrastructure. We should just send nuclear weapons and delivery systems and let Ukraine tell Russia to retreat or get nuked. Voila, problem solved.
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Sending nuclear weapons would not provide ongoing benefits for Raytheon, Lockheed, BAE Systems, and all the little subcontractors, et al.
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
South Korea and Taiwan for example. In the past we also had Spain and Portugal who were run by dictators. All of Eastern Europe were run by repressive communist regimes before the wall fell and in the beginning they were not very democratic either. It took time, effort and patience to bring them to full democracy but it certainly has paid off. Other imperfect democracies like the Philippines and some in Latin America see-saw but generally they are better than before. In 1922 there were 22 democracies in the world. The rise of fascism and war by In 1941 dropped that number to only nine. Since then there has been a steady increase till about 2008 when some countries fell out of the list. We now have 23 full democracies and 52 partial ones. We have excellent relations with all of the full democracies and cordial relations with most of the others. I myself am partial to democracies but I know that many do not like them for various reasons.
Responsible nuclear behavior is not using them but also not telling your neighbors that you will burn them in nuclear fire. That tends to cause them to distrust you so much that they want their own.
Sending nuclear weapons to Ukraine would guarantee that Russia would use theirs on Ukraine and Ukraine doesn’t want that. If Russia succeeds then every country that can will have to build their own nuclear stockpile . The technology is known and is now easy to fabricate. Getting the fissionable material is hard but can be overcome. There are now eight countries with nuclear weapons. How would you like a world where there are 20 more?
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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
“Voila, problem solved.”
I don’t think that would solve the problem. Russia has nukes.
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prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
If Ukraine had decided not to join NATO and given the people of the Dombas their independence (as they agreed in 2014) instead of shelling them for 8 years, that would also have worked.
If the CIA hadn’t organized the 2014 coup against the democratically elected Ukrainian government the war provocation train would never have left the station. US meddling again, with the usual, entirely predictable result.
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Yhpark
Yhpark
3 years ago
This author appears to be another CCP dog. The reporting is one side. The NSA has been releasing substantial evidence of Huawei activities that most outlets have ignored. And how many arrests and intrusions has the NSA been caught doing in the last year. I proud we lead the world in signals intelligence. It’s the database ai interpreting it that is of concern. Mish, how much did they pay you?
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
This is so stupid.
The US has been snooping forever, outside and inside.
Do a web search on “lawful interception.”
Read up on CALEA which started about 1979.
The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, an act by the US Congress to facilitate wiretapping of U.S. domestic telephone and Internet traffic.
CALEA requires a remotely accessible “backdoor” into all commercial switches and routers, which is paid for by the telecommunications equipment makers.
I know, I worked with them.
I’m not even going to start on the surreptitious independent processor subsystems built into virtually all modern microprocessor chips to aid in “network management.”
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
During the Civil War both sides would read private telegraph messages to root out sedition so it’s been going ever since we have been using electricity to send messages. We should also mention that telephones up to the fifties had to have an operator to connect the different parties and who could listen into all conversations if they wanted to. The standard joke of the time was that if you wanted to really know who was sleeping with whom you had to just ask the telephone operator. To be surprised that people in the government would break into and read your messages if they want is to be naive.
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msspec
msspec
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Lisa Hooker,
Thanks for the detail; CALEA is but one of hundreds of clandestine ops the government perpetrates ‘under color of law’.
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blacklisted
blacklisted
3 years ago
You miss the point, as you don’t mention the lack of safety testing done on 5G, or the proven harm from 5G, which is required for the IOT, CBDC’s, and the perverse 4th Industrial Revolution.
The WEF’s 4IR Will Render the Majority of Humans Useless – https://www.bitchute.com/video/Qn7WQvVQi9rV/
4IR and Transhumanism –
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0jw8jdVV9ChM/
A key part of 4IR is a global digital currency that can monitor, tax, and authorize/cancel transactions and behavior that the globalist nutjobs do not condone, and it’s much closer than most realize (components already exist in China with their social credit score system).
Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) is being rolled through the FedNow system as early as July – https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/<wbr>markets-by-sector/foreign-<wbr>exchange/usd/fed-now-launch-<wbr>july-2023/.
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worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
At this point, it’s reasonable to expect everything about China is meant to bring down the USA.
Assume otherwise to your peril and feel free to jump on the Joe Biden Family crime syndicate pay-to-play money train.
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Mjs357
Mjs357
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
DoD pulled as much Huawei crap out of the system as we could… long and short of this; if you have to ask the title question then you are not informed. Take a survey, I guarantee people prefer the devil they know rather the one they do not.
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Webe
Webe
3 years ago
fear inability to eavesdrop
B i n g o !
There is no publicly presented evidence, despite millions spent on forensic and laboratory examinations, for backdoors in Huawei equipment, firmware, or software (phones, cell equipment or routers). They’re just afraid of losing access.
This has been going for almost a decade.
A mole to mountain has been made of certain debugging channels built into some products, but those were not secret, they were a documented part of the product.
But there’s tons of evidence about backdoors built into Western O.E.M. equipment, often at the behest of secret judicial orders.
As well as into encryption products (whats App had to be modified to allow the snoops a back channel).
At one point they even blocked Huawei laying a subsea cable, fearing submarines would be used to tap in to the cables to eavesdrop.
My reaction: I didn’t know the CIA was doing this.
It’s all “we assess”, like Russia-gate, the DNC “hack”, and Hunter’s laptop.
They are not telling you anything about Huawei: They’re confessing their sins.
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Webe
Webe
3 years ago
fear inability to eavesdrop
B i n g o !
There is no publicly presented evidence, despite millions spent on forensic and laboratory examinations, for backdoors in Huawei equipment, firmware, or software (phones, cell equipment or routers). They’re just afraid of losing access.
This has been going for almost a decade.
A mole to mountain has been made of certain debugging channels built into some products, but those were not secret, they were a documented part of the product.
But there’s tons of evidence about backdoors built into Western OEM equipment, often at the behest of secret judicial orders.
As well as into encryption products (whatsApp had to be modified to allow the snoops a back channel).
At one point they even blocked Huawei laying a subsea cable, fearing submarines would be used to tap in to the cables to eavesdrop.
My reaction: I didn’t know the CIA was doing this.
It’s all “we assess”, like Russiagate, the DNC “hack”, and Hunter’s laptop.
They are not telling you anything about Huawei: They’re confessing their sins.
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Webe
Webe
3 years ago
What’s with the moderation?
The moderation message always means the msg is trashed, no matter how innocuous.
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Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Webe
Yeah. No one seems to review moderated posts here. They just go into the garbage. You have to experiment to try and figure out what triggered the moderation and then try again.
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Webe
Webe
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Yeah, if you’ve saved your text.
It disappears from your profile of posted msgs too.
It can be quite daunting, if you haven’t used something obvious like w.e.j
So in this case, it was either Russia-gate unhyphenated, or whats App without a space, or O.E.M. without dots. ☻
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Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Whenever a member of the security apparatus goes off script, it touts the unique intelligence capabilities of the West, and Five Eyes in particular.
This is based on ubiquitous, unrestricted monitoring of communication.
The problem is not that Huawei would spy for China, rather that it wouldn’t do it for Western security apparatus, either.
And just as topping on the cake, it leapfrogged its Western competitors in 5G, and they don’t know what to do about it.
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jhrodd
jhrodd
3 years ago
Reply to  Maximus_Minimus
You mean apart from attempting to kidnap the Company CFO? Meng Wanzhou CFO and company founder’s daughter was removed from a flight transiting through YVR and held pending extradition to the US for 3 years on vague and never substantiated fraud charges.
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Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Assume everyone is spy and everything you do on the internet is being watched by someone. It is up to your self to do what you can to protect whatever you want to keep private as best that you can.
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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“official narratives”
It’s public relations propaganda. It’s why the government is trying to label anything that isn’t the official narrative, as being misinformation, even when it is true.
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Of course! The Chinese government just loves us and means us no harm. I never did understand why the Russian antivirus company Kaspersky was removed from all US military computers and servers several years ago. I guess that’s why Russia invaded Ukraine.
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1-shot
1-shot
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Dont believe for one minute that our own government and their minions at the fbi, cia, irs, nsa etc. mean us no harm either.
Google “US goverment security agencies” and you get a list of spooks a mile long. Can THEY be trusted? Who the hell are they? Id put them in the same boat as the Chinese and Russians
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  1-shot
Not trusting your own government is then a reason to trust totally a foreign one? That is the question here.
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The Truth is out there.
Trust no one.
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Only the paranoid survive.
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Democritus
Democritus
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Well your own government can do more harm with your data, Doug!
If I had choices of whom to be snooped by, I would prefer:
1) Aliens on Alpha Centauri, then:
2) The Chinese, then:
3) My own govt, as they have the ability to do a lot of nasty things to me.
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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Safe and Effective. The Tuskegee Experiment. AZT immune suppressant used on immune suppressed gay men. Remdesivir was a deja vu, all over again, as a drug that failed on safety, used on patients to their mortal detriment.
Our government keeps lots of secrets and we the people don’t know what is going on behind closed doors or what ulterior motives may be behind public statements by our government officials. The Restrict Act isn’t just about Tick Tock. What is it really all about?
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
There have certainly been criminal abuses. That those abuses can be found, publicized, prosecuted and prevented from reoccurring does have considerable value especially when compared to countries where those abuses are never corrected because their governments cannot be seen as being anything but perfect.
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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
AZT happened in 1981ish and Remdesivir happened in 2020. The same person was in charge. Gulf of Tonkin was in 1964, WMD’s was in 2003. Banks are fined, but no bankers go to prison. Pharma companies are fined over and over again. The CEO’s aren’t sitting in prison. Where is the correction of abuses?
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Only four things uncorrected since 1964? That is pretty good.
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Even more sinister is that the government has pressured companies and schools to fire or deplatform anyone who questions the official narrative in any way.
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