BYD is investigating buying an idled Stellantis plant near Toronto. 
Patrick Brown, the mayor of Brampton, Ontario, said BYD Asked About Taking Over Canada Stellantis Plant.
Chinese carmaker BYD Co. inquired about taking over an idled Stellantis NV plant in the Toronto suburbs, according to a local politician, signaling possible global interest in Canadian auto hubs in the midst of a trade battle with the US.
Brown said he also received inquiries from Leapmotor International, a joint venture between Zhejiang Leapmotor Technology Co. and Stellantis, as well as from an Italian automaker. Bloomberg News reported in April that Stellantis was discussing options for building electric vehicles in Canada with Leapmotor.
Most of the vehicles Canada produces are exported to the US, but the trade war and the lack of a new product earmarked for the 40-year-old factory have clouded the future for thousands of people who work there. Unifor, the union representing those workers, said this month that Stellantis is considering selling the plant.
“If the US takes a position that causes us to no longer be able to be a partner with them on autos, there is a world of possibilities,” Brown said. “There are global companies that want Canadian manpower.”
“Stellantis told me that as long as there’s tariffs on autos, there’s no business case for auto jobs in Canada,” Brown said. That’s the situation “whether it’s an 8% tariff, a 50% tariff, or 100% tariff,” he added.
Canadian defense firms Roshel Inc. and Dominion Dynamics also asked about the facility, Brown said, with Roshel interested in building light-utility armored vehicles and Dominion in building drones. Neither company responded to a request for comment.
“All these companies that came into our office expressed that some of the fundamental equipment existed in the Stellantis plant allowing for an effective transition,” Brown said.
If Trump does not want to work with Canada, then Canada can produce cars for China.
This was not a Ford or GM plant, but let both companies make their own parts at higher expense and cost.
Trade Deals Are Picking Up Globally
Please note Trade Deals Are Picking Up Globally, Just Not with Trump
Trump fosters new deals for India and Canada, not the US.
There are deals to be had, and the world is making them without Trump. This pattern will continue.
Epstein.
trump works for amerikan people. democracy works. trump is the epitome of the late amerikan crumbling empire of warmongering nihilists. we’ve been lurching this way for 80 years………9.11 was the first real inkling many felt with the barbarians inside the gates, the bush crime family left open. i had many childhood pals jump 100 plus stories to their deaths from cantor offices. i still think about that whenever i’m in lower manhattan, which is quite often.
I would welcome more EV options into our market, especially if they drove prices down. It’s stupid that the US auto majors aren’t building afforable EV’s.
Used to be a Dodge plant, first AMC, later Chrysler
The US will nix any such deal. The problem is that Carney doesn’t want a sovereign Canada, just a nicer hegemon.
When you shit all over your friends you get the reputation for being an asshole. Meanwhile your old friends make new friends.
that’s a PHD in geopolitics in 2 simple sentences. bully, bully. my favorite summation of decades of college classes under my belt. “democracy works. always. from ancient greeks and iroquois to modernity. assholes elect assholes to do asshole things. the modern democratic republic and world wide imperial pax dumbfuckistan is no exception.
Canadian industry is oligarchic, they ain’t angels.
During the 2010’s, Canada dumped $20 billion in Chinese steel in the U.S. through a simple maneuver: All of Canada’s domestic needs were fulfilled with Chinese steel; and all of Canada’s steel production went to US export, tariff-free under NAFTA. Thus, $20 billion in dumping. “Elbows up”, indeed.
BYD is a hell of a company that very quickly came out with major competitive EVs and exploded to top market share in China. (And recall Munger got Buffet in on them early and BYD has never looked back.)
IMO they are the premier Global EV company. They jumped right into the Chinese market with EV auto leadership from early on. I’m sure all of Detroit is on the phone with their DC contacts.
But Detroit can’t be saved from itself anymore. I’ll never forget when they started to get their butt kicked by the Japanese. An incompetence example: my stepdad bought a beautiful new red Olds . Big beautiful car. But look deeper. My Camry had 3+ glove boxes where EVERY ONE WAS BIGGER THAN THE MAIN ’88 SINGLE glove box!. The ’88’s PATHETIC glove box had the “you’re kidding aren’t you?” depth of about 5 maps you could fit into it! This, and many Detroit cars were like twinkies. Nice on the outside but lacking under the skin.
Yes POST GFC Detroit has gotten some religion. But they DID just overshoot the EV market and wroteoff $ billions. Meanwhile Toyota banked on hybrids and was spot on.
Ford Canada recently settled with the Canadian Auto Workers Union: $50/hr
That’s 10X more than China or Mexico.
In China, BYD wants their plants fully automated, no human workers.
In North America, autoworker unions are strong, full automation unlikely.
Any BYD plant in Canada will be unionized & incredibly inefficient compared to their Chinese plants.
Consumers in North American need a break. We don’t take a mortgage out to buy a TV why must we do it for a car?
Let China raise our standard of living!
Soon the Indy500 will be made up of 33 “Chinadian” BYDs.
And the engines won’t need rebuilt after every race.
The only constant is change
By 2050, 24 years away, the world will be producing roughly half of the 100 million barrels of oil that it currently produces. Obviously ice car manufacturing is about to undergo radical changes. A 20 year old entering ice manufacturing would be lucky to still have a career in that same industry at 45 years old.
As to exactly how car manufacturing evolves remains to be seen. In any event, most of Canada is well prepared for electrical vehicles as a large amount of electricity is produced everywhere except Saskatchewan and Alberta. from mostly hydro or nuclear.
When the tariffs were first announced, I was skeptical of the US returning manufacturing just on the belief that it is about to undergo a serious power generation crisis over the next few years. I still believe that to be true. You can google to your hearts content of a coming power generation crisis in America.
BYD Factory in Canada: Assembly Plant and Acquisition Plans | China-EV Canada
Why a Canadian Factory Changes Everything
A BYD assembly plant on Canadian soil would be a game-changer for multiple reasons.
First, it would let BYD completely bypass the import quota system, which currently caps Chinese EV imports at 49,000 vehicles per year. A Canadian-assembled BYD Seal or Dolphin would not count against that quota — it would be a Canadian-made vehicle.
And as America is about to meet an impending power generation crisis. An emergency has been declared regarding foreign made electrical equipment most of which comes from China and already has min 5 year waiting backlogs, eg. transformers, turbines, etc.
Im surprised much more print hasnt been dedicated to even making the power generation crisis upcoming even larger. Definitely will make power generation even more costlier.
Trump declares emergency, moves to block some foreign-made equipment from grid | Utility Dive
“President Donald Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order preparing to block utilities from connecting some foreign-made equipment to the bulk power system, including transformers, batteries, inverters and associated software and digital products.
The order also contemplates the replacement of already-installed equipment, allowing the Secretary of Energy to “impose conditions on the continued use, operation, maintenance, servicing, or updating of foreign manufactured or operated bulk-power system electric equipment acquired or installed before the date of this order.”
Trump Bans More Power Equipment
This is the second attempt by the Trump administration to ban use of equipment that might be used to harm the US utility grid.
An earlier bulk-system power order on May 1, 2020 made it illegal immediately to acquire, import or install transmission and electric generating equipment supplied by companies in any country that the US considers a foreign adversary. The earlier order was unclear about what exactly was illegal and was never fully implemented. (For earlier coverage, see here and here).
Trump officials went out of their way in calls to industry trade associations and interviews soon after the earlier order to downplay concerns that equipment might have to be ripped out and replaced. A list of frequently-asked questions posted to the DOE website on the heels of the earlier order said, “As of today, no equipment is prohibited . . . . As such, any immediate steps by owners or operators would not only be premature, but may be unnecessary.”
Some tax equity investors and lenders moved quickly to require developers to fund any future costs to replace equipment that the government decides is a threat to the grid. Such provisions remain in many financing documents.
Trump is a professional at turning our former and current allies into foreign adversaries. It is the only skill he has that outshines Biden, Obama and Clinton.
The same thing in Europe and Latin America, where Usonian car makers close up shop, after up to a century long presence, and whose facilities are bought by the likes of BYD, Chery, Geely, etc.
I gotta couple dodges out in the barn Overpriced junkpiles with flashy paintjobs. One problem after another. They’re going bye bye.
LOL. 20 years ago, my wife just had to have a Dodge Grand Caravan. Possibly the worst engineered car with the cheapest parts ever produced. Couldn’t wait to get rid of that piece of Made in USA garbage.
This smells “fishy”…..WHY would China build anything in Canada when the Cost of Labor and Materials would surely be higher than China building things in China? Would this he a way for Chinese manufacturers to build their products for Canadian consumption. Canada is a relatively small Market for anything.
Robots. The plant will be using robots to build the automobiles.
I saw an article recently from a journalist who toured a Chinese car factory in operation and they never saw a single human. We are getting there but so many years behind
You do realize robots are used in all plants now. The days of hundreds of guys on the line went away in the 80s.
Canada has vast natural resources. China wants access, and wants to keep Americans away from them. Now is the perfect time to build a strong relationship with Canadians, since Americans are intent on causing them harm.
The goal on their side is that they know there will be a new agreement with Canada eventually (even if it’s after Trump leaves office). By being able to build in Canada they hope to be able to sneak those cars into the US because they will qualify under the trade agreement.
Whether or not that happens no one knows for sure. But that’s the goal and its no secret.
Maybe it’s time to actually start to build out our charging infrastructure so we can operate all the millions of Chinese electric cars that will be filling our streets.
Charging infrastructure? We barely have roads!
True try I-40 Tn to NV and back horrible.
Two thirds of Americans and Canadians have a home with a garage where they can easily charge an EV or PHEV. That is where over 80% of all charging happens. Not much charging infrastructure is needed because the average ev driver takes fewer than 5 road trips per year that require public charging.
Only after spending between $2000 and up (maybe $8000) depending on existing electrical service to install a reasonably fast charger. Normal 110V USA system will only deliver very slow charging. If you live in a rental or apartment you will be using a public charger.
China is surrounded by US military bases in Japan, South Korea and Philippines.
Revenge:
US is also surrounded by Chinese economic power investment in Canada and Mexico.
China leaders are engineers and scientists that see the world as a place to expand superior manufacturing and growing customer satisfaction.
American leaders are actors and influencers who know nothing, are afraid of everything and use the US Armed Forces as a thug to beat the piss out of any country or people that will not comply.
Which approach makes sense? Which system will survive? Good bye America if you don’t change your ways.
Only completely horrible people try to prevent our communist electric car future.
Chinada!!
I expect that this will play out like Australia. A decade ago, Chinese companies had about 3% of the Australian automotive market. Japan was the largest source of cars for the Austalian market. Today, Chinese companies have about a 30% share of the Australian market, larger than the Japanese share. Once Chinese electric vehicles were allowed in Australia, the Australians found they were vastly superior to European and Japanese EV makes, and came at a lower price. This probably would have happened anyway, but COVID was an external shock that accelerated the process. Canada is now going to start allowing Chinese vehicles in, and the tarrifs are the external shock. In a decade, expect a third to half of all Canadian vehicle sales to be Chinese.
Well, if I could get a ‘ vastly superior vehicle at a lower price ‘ , I’d be a mug not go for it – it’s up to competing nations/manufacturers to up their game, surely?
No. You will buy over priced crappy Ford F-150 and be damn happy about it.
Welcome to the People’s Republic of America.
Oligarch’s Republic of America.
Oligarchs’ Republic of America.
They took over the market because the other manufactures decided Australia wasn’t worth the hassle. A small population far from any other market and what’s worse is they drive on the wrong side of the road compared to Japan / America etc.
BTW, they DID NOT get low cost Chinese EVs. The prices you pay in China for the same car are vastly cheaper than Australia. The obvious reason is because the Chinese aren’t stupid, even if they can make it for 15K they are still selling it for 40K in Australia because that’s the price the market will bear. And before anyone asks, the shipping costs aren’t much and there are no tariffs since there is no domestic car industry, it’s just pure profit for China.
Seismic.
I wonder if this induces a butterfly effect, just a little flicker of fear this morning in Bibi’s mind. Maybe his hand quivers a moment as he reaches for his cereal.
I can’t wait to see what Russian TV says about it. Yes, they are unhinged, but the glee will be palpable.
https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor/videos
Trump’s lopsided and dysfunctional, fragmenting world order failed. Trump’s ham-handedness in commerce matches Hegseth’s comic book bluster. Now the bullies are being bopped all over the playground.
HUGE chess move. Suddenly it appears inevitable.
THIS is the USA’s “Suez moment.” THIS is the moment that Trump and his follower’s folly have at last historically, globally undone the USA. (Yes, credit goes elsewhere, over time, but overwhelmingly right to Trump.)
Previously I felt contempt and anger. Now immediately I feel bottomless dread. Everything we didn’t like about the Chinese system is about to become the global system, and ours, or else we can (maybe, for awhile) elect poverty and exclusion.
The tech elites will have no problem embracing this. The low man on the totem pole, the capital structure, the one about to be demoted, is the “regular person.” But Trump always dripped with contempt for that person anyway, as anything but a sycophant, or a smiling productivity puppet. So, not so far from a Maoist poster after all.
The good news is a lot of Chinese speak English so you won’t need to learn Mandarin. /s
My father-in-law, a huge Trump fan, said all those big buildings he saw on YouTube in Shanghai must be fake AI communist propaganda. He simply can’t imagine a world where the US isn’t the absolute center of everything. He’s 89, so I’ll let him live in his confusion. I travel internationally fairly often. Trump has created a situation where the US is no longer the center of anything. The rest of the world is moving away in revulsion, and economically blowing right past the US, especially Asia.
As a fellow boomer I can empathize. My older brother-in-law insists he is a Vietnam Vet (I actually am a Vietnam Era veteran), he was a marine corp dropout that didn’t make it past boot camp. I tell my nieces and nephew to allow him these fantasies as they hurt no one and make him feel better about himself in his final years…….Just please don’t allow him to vote or drive.
Will America learn that racism and xenophobia don’t pay? Probably not lol
Trump demands all Canadian companies doing business with the US move to America ‘immediately’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-canada-businesses-truth-social-b3041901.html
Canada is in America.
Nothing smells more like success, than a Chinese Takeover of your industry. Canada can’t help themselves right now, so their fall back is to succeed to China. This will end well for the Canadians. After they own the car company on Canadian soil, they are in and will own much, much more!
The camels nose is in the tent, but are they stupid enough to invite the Camel and his Millions of friends to come along for the ride. I know Carney is for sure, but will the rest be as dumb, is the question China has on the table.
Canada is helping itself. Soon they will have Chinese missiles pointed right at the cities where they used to cross the border to get decent medical care.
Well, better than Americans owning them. At least the Chinese won’t throw massive tariffs on them and throw them on the unemployment line, like their sleazeball neighbors to the south.
True.
But you also have to sit idly by while China commits any number of horrors in Tibet and elsewhere and not say a word.
In Brazil BYD took over a Ford plant 2 years ago and they now own 9% of the Brazilian car market….in 2 years.
Exactly!
Can’t wait this would be so much better for Americans drivers.
It’s called “Imperialism.”
Imperialism on its way out, Don’t let, or rather, enjoy the door hitting you on your way out.
Hmmm that must be what happens when you make a superior product for a lower price. Free enterprise for the common man wins every time. The workers replaced by robotics will have to find new employment.
China has captured over 75% of the Australian car market after Ford/GM + Euro car makers decided the market wasn’t worth manufacturing for.
This reminds me of a playground bully taking his ball home when he wasn’t winning the game only to be left home alone with his ball while the other kids found another ball and continued the game. Trump is showing his childish nature by acting in childish ways as inability to anticipate consequences of actions is a childish characteristic.
So selfish that even close friend can’t stand.
No, OUR BULLIES would kick the shit out of the victims in our ‘hood. Tommy was a TANK, and he had not a single kid that he did not pick on. Ultimately, Tommy got hit by a car. There was glee. Weird moment.
The car in this case being a Chinese car. Huh, weird times we live in.
When you force Canada to trade with China you invite China to park on the US’s longest undefended border.
Canada made this decision due to TDS, and nothing more. They refuse to have fair trade, so they will instead give China their Automobile industry. One of the few bright spots they had left. What a self destructing Country, like I have not seen from memory. They are making decisions counter productive to the future of their own Country. How are the Citizens kept so quiet? They can’t pay them to be so, and it’s a net negative for the People of Canada everywhere you look already. They are a crumbling mess, and NEED INFRASTRUCTURE to make money, and not sell it to forever lose an industry and money both. “Bizzaro World” on steroids…
Apparently your definition of fair trade aligns nicely with Trump’s
He’s a trumphumper trying to act reasonable. It’s all bullshit.
your an idiot
A good day is not meeting someone as stupid…
To be polite – you are a moron, at least on this issue.
I have posed countless articles on why the US has been a huge beneficiary of trade with Canada. You are incapable of reading or learming.
Okay Stu. A little to think about: Canada doesn’t have a Canadian auto industry. All of its auto factories are owned by foreign companies. The factory BYD is interested in isn’t owned by Canadians. It is owned by a French-American consortium called Stellantis. Stellantis is going to have to throw thousands of Canadians out of work because of the tariffs Donald Trump is forcing on what used to be our good friends in Canada. So here is what you should think about: why would the Canadians care if a plant is owned by the Chinese (who are building the future world) or the Franco-Americans, who are desperately trying to hang on to the past world (and failing miserably)?
Like my dad used to tell me, you can’t fix Stu.
You are intimating that Chinese ownership of a building in Brampton is somehow a threat to the border ?? That’s nuts.
It’s not Canada that refuses fair trade, it’s the USA.
They’re capricious and damaging, and had entered into the “best trade deal ever”, remember. But they just can’t keep the same line for longer than a few minutes.
The US has had 25% import tariffs on light trucks since 1963.
Is that to make something fair?
What the hell is that something?
Do the 270 US military engagements since 1990 have something to do with fair?
Canadians are not quiet. Polls show that the vast majority of them are pissed off at Trump for constantly insulting them. I suspect they are also pissed off at Trump cult morons like yourself Stu. Most are refusing to travel to the US and are making sure they stop buying as many US products as possible.
Carney appears to be an intelligent, well spoken Prime Minister. The complete opposite of our dumb fuck bully President. His party just won three bye elections yesterday, including one formerly held by the Conservatives.
The Conservative candidate only got 12% of the vote. Canadians seem firmly behind Carney.
Just curious…. where is the criticism of Mark Carney? Canada was told his superior ultra-genius economic intellect, his previous experience as Bank governor, and his purported ability to handle Trump was the reason he got the job at all. Excluding the obvious win for China, so far it looks like Brookfield is poised to be the biggest winner from the Carney carnage.
Please explain why we should be criticising Mark Carney when he said NO to a bully asking for untennable demands?
He said yes to China! Trump is just trying to get fair trade from China for our Farmers and many others as well. This is a significantly worse deal than anything Trump could even think up.
Trump only looks to line his pockets and the other oligarchs he has zero concern for the American people unless he wants your vote then is is acting 101..
Trump has done a lot for the American people. Much he was asked overwhelmingly to do, and has done quite a bit in a very short time, and with much resistance.
No Trump is not trying to get fair trade with Canada.
Then you think Canada has been and will continue to be good to U.S. Farmers. Not the case at all!
The Chinese can get their soybeans for less money elsewhere. How are we going to compete with that???
Easily, as the World has soybean shortages. All soybeans can be sold. Maybe we sell for slightly less, or perhaps slightly more.
Canada will be forced to sell for less, due to large China deals. They shut themselves out of the market, and will now work for the Chinese in this market moving forward, or lose them as well.
maybe Truth Social is where you will find criticism of Carney.
When you consider him in comparison to the orange oaf counterpart south of the border, he does indeed look like a genius – but then, so would my dog.
He is simply a very stupid person, from the looks of things.
not the stable genius molester you are used to. would not expect you to understand as you are an idiot
You’re the one calling our President a molester, and you’re calling me an idiot? Look in the mirror for a clear and more appropriate understanding…
correct… he’s not a child molester, he’s a child rapist, and you love him for it.
Maybe he should go sit with Arthur “little hookers” Orwell
“He wasn’t the child molester we wanted but the child rapist we deserved.”
– on a future movie poster
Wow, you must think your Judge & Jury.
Last I checked, “No” such charges have been filed and sentenced in a Court of Law. Not counting opinions, suggestions, accusations etc. of course, but that’s because they don’t actually count.
Simp harder.
Why do you like him?
I don’t necessarily like him, because I don’t know him anymore than I know you for example.
I do respect some of his commentary, much like yours, and couldn’t be bothered with some of both as well.
I did vote for the man, and he has accomplished many of my most important issues I expected him to accomplish, and he is not yet done.
I also Love America, and he is our sitting President. I happen to support that position, and I did with B. Clinton, and B. Obama for example. I base my opinions on what they do and accomplish that I voted for the person to do and accomplish. Obama fell well short imo, but Clinton was a very good President imo.
The “stable molester”! Love it.
There is nothing “Stable” about a molester. Your behaving way out in left field…
You have a right to be mad at me, because I took some potshots at you. I actually regret it. Credit to you for your reply here, which is relatively cordial.
As for the oxymoron, i saw it slightly buried in top gnome’s comment and think it’s funny. Do you like any standup comedy? Monty Python ?