New Phase in Trump Impeachment Inquiry
The Financial Times reports House Votes to Open New Phase in Trump Impeachment Inquiry
Greatest Witch Hunt
House Passes Impeachment Inquiry Resolution
The Wall Street Journal reports House Passes Impeachment Inquiry Resolution
The resolution passed in a vote of 232-196, with all Democrats except two supporting the measure, and all Republicans opposed. The one independent in the House, Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan, also voted in support of the resolution.
The resolution approved Thursday morning sets out a road map for the probe and will make the investigation more public, though there is no time frame given for when that will happen. The resolution authorizes the House Intelligence Committee to release transcripts from past interviews and gives more power to Republicans, including the right to call witnesses—though those requests are subject to approval by Democrats.
“The House is a separate and coequal branch of government,” said Democratic Chair Hakeem Jeffries (D., N.Y.). “We have a constitutional responsibility to serve as a check and balance on an out-of-control executive branch.”
Democrat Mistake
This looks like a serious mistake by the Democrats.
To understand why, just look at the math and the campaign calendar.
The Math
The House needs 50% to impeach.
The current vote to proceed is just 54%. Assuming there is a final House impeachment vote that exceeds 50%, there will be a trial in the Senate.
The current Senate makeup is 53 Republicans, 45 Democrats, and 2 Independents that caucus with the Democrats.
Waste of Time
The Senate requires a 2/3 majority, or 67 votes. It will not even get a simple majority, A Senate trial, even if it get to that stage, is going nowhere. Republicans will not convict Trump. Heck, there will likely be some Democrat Senators who feel more than a bit uneasy about things.
Calendar Check
A quick check of my calendar says today is October 31.
A trial could run through January or perhaps even into February if it gets off the ground.
Campaign Trail
- The Iowa caucus is Feb. 3
- The New Hampshire’s primary is Feb. 11
- The Nevada caucus is Feb. 22
- The South Carolina primary is Feb. 29
Instead of campaigning for the 2020 elections, Democrats will be howling at the moon with Trump mocking them every step of the way.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Did you ever work for a political party party ? I have . I put my time , the time of my life , and money into getting my parties political candidates elected . The main reason for doing so , has to be self interest although , I started with the idea that
one party would be abusive to me personally if they got elected . This was proven to be correct in certain instances . So, e.g. , in New York about 30 years ago there was a man running for High Office whose was the Republican choice for this position . The ground workers of the Rep. Party consisted in my district many of people with jobs and pensions . The potential candidate policy position paper which most of their representatives never read indicated that this candidate was for repeal of all pension contributions by the State of NY to pensions . The ground worker in my district , who was a teacher , within the State was told by me of the position paper statement . She was not even aware of the fact that there is always a position paper or statement of a candidate unless it is a fake candidate . Anyway after multiple denials by her that her own party was working against her best interest which in this case was her life after retirement , she agreed to look into it. So, this in ans to the outrage of this writer on what the writer is ascribing as moral values . The point is all of these politicians will betray all of the values of their base , and each politicians vote either betrays their base or harms someone else , so that it is not only that the system is broken , but all moral values are broken , and every action by a politician has to be first to get them selves elected and to choose a moral base , and then keep this base , if it gets him or her elected.
There is no such thing in reality as President of All of the People . This statement is a Oxymoron as what was taught in my civics course in High School is that each President is the Head of his or her Political Party which takes priority over
each President being at the head of a Nation . I personally find that Nixon s breaking into Democrats Headquarter to be much more offensive , than a politician trying to get dirt on his or her opponent by making a quid pro quo promise before he is elected . In fact , the whole world of politics is about quid pro quo promises. Is this moral ? This does not matter because it exists and will continue to exist because now this is the system itself . You have to be elected first to be able to drain the swamp . Revolution was the means to change the system and this was maybe to your surprise advocate by Declaration of Ind.
If peace is the goal , you have to have the system that produces peace .
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Republicans will have a problem because voters will have to ask the question if they want to vote for someone who has been impeached (not convicted). I believe Democratic strategy is to get more Republicans to stay home on election day.
We really need 4 year term limits on all federally elected offices. Term limits for the Senate and House are something the founding fathers did not think of.
“The resolution authorizes the House Intelligence Committee to release transcripts from past interviews and gives more power to Republicans, including the right to call witnesses—though those requests are subject to approval by Democrats.”
So basically the republicans don’t really have the right to call witnesses.
occasionally watching CNN, just for the hell of it ….. I am not a Trump fan (and I know that the C stands for Clinton) but the anti Trump bias is just SICKENING with lies dripping off my screen….OUTRAGEOUS that a allegedly prestigious network is so deeply and subjectively involved in politics !
The democrats had to do this now as a preemptive measure against the criminal indictments that are coming soon for many democrat operatives. Although it will be the Rule of Law actually working for a change, they will say it is just Trump’s revenge. Pathological liar Little Adam Schitt is the ringleader and he is the most despicable American politician of all time.
Mish, you left out the fact that confirmation of impeachment by the Senate requires a 2/3 majority, or 67 votes. It will not even get a simple majority, not even with RINO Trump hating swamp creatures there. If I thought impeachment had a chance I would sell all my stocks immediately.
Sorry, I think a lot of these comments are nutso. It’s already OK for the president to basically lie in a court of law (thanks, Clinton), and now we’re saying it’s OK for a president to obstruct an investigation (Mueller), and pressure foreign governments to help them out politically (Ukraine)? This isn’t just about Trump. It’s about what is acceptable behaviour from our leaders, current and future, Republican and Democrat. The stonewalling, the excuse making, the belittling, and calling it “just a witch-hunt”, makes me really sad for the future of this nation. The behavior of this President has been very troubling, and should be investigated, regardless of whether he has an R or a D next to his name.
Just my 2¢. Let the flaming responses begin…
Get a true clue, Ash. Trump did nothing to obstruct Mueller. Trump asked the Ukraine to investigate corruption by American politicians, which happens to be one of his duties. There was no pressure. Sad to see how brainwashed some people are by the biased MSM.
I won’t deny that the MSM is biased, but to deny that Trump attempted to obstruct the Mueller investigation is ludicrius.
Muller: “If we had had confidence that” President Donald Trump “clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.”
In fact, there is an entire volume of the report dedicated to his attempts of obstruction.
“Muller: “If we had had confidence that” President Donald Trump “clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.””
Have you actually thought about that for one moment ?? So because you hate President Trump with a passion he is not entitled to the ‘Presumption of Innocence’ ? Are you saying that Trump has to prove he did not commit a crime ? Are you saying it is acceptable for someone such a Bob Mueller to smear without any basis whatsoever in fact Trump and that is acceptable to you ?? Think well upon such things because when you start to demolish the pillars of our Justice system merely because you hate someone there might dawn a day when it will be turned on YOU.
Although I am English from what I have read there was no proper legal basis even to establish the Mueller investigation. He proceeded to staff the thing with Democratic thugs and when all is said and done what did he actually find ? Diddly squat. It should have been clear to Mueller within the first month that he would find nothing because there was nothing to find, but what is very curious is the fact that he was disinterested in the root of all this. But then I suppose he wouldn’t be because most road lead back to ‘crooked Hilary’ and Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS and the DNC. That is here the light needs to be shone and eventually it will be.
I believe AshH has fallen victim to the relentless, 24/7 brainwashing perpetrated by the MSM, left-wing extremists and Hollyweirdos.
I cannot blame him for actually believing all this, it’s actually rather sad that he cannot see it from our perspective, an outsider’s perspective.
GOP and DNC, both have proven to be lying. For decades.
It’s quite effective, this narrative of pushing division, hatred for one another and being absolutely blindsided by one ‘bombshell’ after another. It’s all fake news, fake numbers and hyper financialization of everything. Now people will start turning on each other and in 2020, it’ll probably be blood in the streets. And still, they cannot see that they’re a country in deep deep trouble and all these political freakshows and fake narratives only lead to the very hatred, the extreme left is supposed to rail against.
Country in deep trouble – that may be, but you’re changing the topic from the man in the White House to the “people” and “divided country” – Trump has divided the country beyond belief in ways that no other presidents Rep or Dem have every done.
All of Trumps “economy” achievements are summarized in the following sentence: “it’s a giant corrupt stock bubble / everything bubble and Trump just happens to preside on top of it”.
I almost wish that Trump got elected in 2020 so that the bubble bursts into Rep faces, and not into Dem faces (if a Dem is elected in 2020)
You’re doing the same thing, man. Drop that rigid left/right paradigm and stop focussing all your attention on that one guy with a big mouth and a twitteraccount. Orange Man Bad….we get it. You hate the guy. If by now, you can’t see that it’s a rigged system, no matter who is president, than I feel truly sorry for you. And the few candidates that actually do make sense and should perhaps start an independent party -Yang/Tabbard for instance- get demonized, every single day, by the henchmen of the corrupt propagandist media.
Hmmm, why are people across the pond so passionate about this? And not just “that’s interesting” passionate, but “making wild accusations” passionate. Weird.
Convictions of 34 people + 3 companies = “diddly squat”
Math must be different in the UK.
Yes, ‘Diddly Squat’ – exactly how many of those 34 convictions relate directly to what Mueller was actually tasked with investigating, that is to say Russian collusion in the General Election ? And why was Mueller so disinterested in the actual source of all this rubbish, that is to say the Steele Dossier and who created it and paid for it ? The reason is simple: too many of those rads lead back to Hilary Clinton personally, the DNC and Fusion GPS, of whom Mueller had never heard per his testimony before Congress.
Dude – get a clue. What are you talking about?
Brainwashed back at you!
Trump is stomping all over the legal process , in very bold brushstrokes. You’re the one brainwashed.
yeah, ClintonNN is doing a good job….
Do they realize that if this goes to the Senate, the Republicans are in charge?
The crux of the entire matter is whether or not the President was trying to investigate an actual crime, or if he was trying to get dirt on a political opponent.
How will the Republicans proceed?
They will subpoena Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and grill them like a steak to see if criminal behavior has occurred. If there is prima facie evidence that Hunter and Joe are crooks, then it is going to be very hard to get Republicans to impeach a Chief Executive who is precisely following his job description:
“… he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, …”
Trump is actually doing his job when he tries to start an investigation of corruption.
Hunter Biden was granted a waiver to get into the US Navy because of an issue with drug abuse, and he was then kicked out of the Navy after he failed a drug test. Months later, he gets a gig with the Ukrainians.
Will they ask Hunter if he used the money he got from the Ukrainians to buy cocaine? It’s a legitimate question, in the context of his behavior, and the failed drug test, and his reputation as a coke-addled womanizing “fortunate son”.
This will go over like a lead balloon among the blue collar workers of the US, many of whom don’t earn $50K in a year, much less get that much per month for attending a board meeting. Nobody likes a rich kid who snorts coke and gets cushy jobs only because his dad is a big shot.
The Dems don’t seem to realize that a vote for impeachment, and a Senate trial, is going to damage their frontrunner more than they will damage Trump.
And even if they do somehow impeach, convict, and remove Trump, then they have created a precedent for removing a future President Biden also, as he BRAGGED about holding up a billion dollar loan unless they fired the prosecutor investigating his son’s company within six hours.
Biden should be very worried, and his son too.
Other than the bribes Biden’s son took, this is all really stupid, low quality kabuki theater that amounts to another waste of taxpayer money.
There is no crime to prosecute. Voters have known since (at least) 2000 that Trump has a giant ego and can be a bit of an ass at times — but we voted for him anyway because we are sick of Washington DC corruption. A witch hunt is only going to solidify animosity toward Washington establishment.
Politicizing impeachment into partisan stupidity is going to cause blowback whenever a democrat next gets into office. Impeachment is supposed to be about an actual crime, not personal conflicts — every president has detractors.
Anyway, this will backfire on the dems. Biden should be terrified.
And voters should be pissed that yet another $50 million of tax dollars (on top of the Mueller farce) is going to be wasted. Imagine what a $100 million could do if it was directed at solving a real problem
Quite. From this side of the Pond it looks very much as if the Democrats, having failed spectacularly with the Mueller fantasy have now embarked on a second line of attack. I don’t see what, from the reports I have read in the UK press, the President did that was actually illegal or constituted an impeachable matter.
I agree with Country Bob that Biden and his useless son ought to be worried because it would seem fairly plain that there are quite legitimate questions to ask as to what role his son played in Ukraine that was worth an eye-watering salary.
Further it seems perfectly plain now that the whole Mueller farce was a put up job and far too many of those roads lead back to the ghastly old bat Hilary Clinton. If the Republicans are clever they will turn the tables on the Democrats and expose for all to see their corruption and crimes which would seem to be many and various. It is time they were called to account and this could split the Democratic Party.
In a more perfect Union, wrong would be wrong no matter the party. If a Democrat president had done what Trump did, the Republicans would not be complacent at all and would be raising hell. I’ve come to find that the Republicans are just hippocrates….not saying that the Democrats are perfect. They say they care about free markets, deficits, etc. It’s all BS.
I agree that it’s all BS. But then again, it’s a plutocracy.
George Carlin explained it perfectly:
“Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations that’ve long since bought and paid for, the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pocket, and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and the information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them.”
You’re going down the rabbit hole Harry. This line of thinking leads to conspiracyland. “I’m not paranoid, but I know you all think I am.”
I’m sorry, but I’m not seeking escapism or denying that the USA is anything but a democracy. I don’t seek refuge in conspiracytheories, when the truth is so obvious, it screams ‘rigged plutocratic corpotocracy’
Its a big club and we aint in it!!!!!
‘Hippocrates’ 460BC-370BC…..is considered the father of medicine…
God that woman REALLY gives me the creeps. Congress’ very own Halloween skeleton in the cupboard, with lipstick on. Glad she’s over on your side of the pond and not ours!
It’s a true despot. She really needs to make place for the new generation, next year she’ll be 80. I think she’s as phony as they come, but you kind of have to respect the effort she’s still putting in at her age. That, or she’s just too addicted to power and money.
I’m sad for you that you don’t find her attractive enough. What a burden for you, how do you bear it?
It does not appear that there are many R defectors yet. If there is not more damaging evidence, this impeachment process and the subsequent trial will not remove Trump. Rather it will divide our country even further. This may help the far left D’s and the far right R’s, but not the vast middle, who would like to see some reasonable progress on infrastructure, immigration, gun control, campaign and lobbying reform, etc. Gridlock, here we come!!
“Republicans in the Senate have shifted their position too as the mood changes. They are now committed to hold a trial and not a short one.”
Good observation
Why not disrupt the Democrat primaries?
With the election only a year away, why impeach now instead of focusing on beating Trump at the ballot box? I’m concerned the Democrats don’t believe any of their candidates can beat Trump straight up. That’s a scary thought.
I think it’s about holding people accountable. These days, no one is accountable for anything; CEOs, central bankers, politicians, etc
That’s what I keep shouting off rooftops. But as much as I support holding people accountable, this impeachment isn’t going to achieve that.
True, but this will be seen as BS by many people since almost no one has been held accountable for decades. After the Great Recession both parties were pathetic when it comes to holding their cronies accountable. Instead, they handed out cash to their friends. To hold an outsider like Trump “accountable” now looks like retribution for daring to challenge the status quo. I think it’s important to beat Trump in a fair election so we don’t further divide the country. I think Americans will still accept a reasonably fair election, but impeachment may have unforeseen consequences. That said, I’m content to watch from the sidelines.
The facts of the case aren’t really in dispute. If you think that asking and pressuring a foreign government to help you politically is ok, then don’t impeach. If you think it is a crime and abuse of power, then impeach.
That should be the decision in the Senate, the actual decision for Republican Senators is:
Q: Do my voters like Trump more than they like me?
A: Yes – vote against
A: No – vote for
Since most all of our past Presidents have asked for something from other countries during their administrations why is it so different now. Plus the filtered information we’re getting leaves a lot to be desired – unless just a hater.
Are you justifying bad behavior by pointing to other bad behaviour? Not a good argument, in my opinion.
There is nothing to argue about here – Trump broke the law (many laws in fact). The only question is whether a portion of Trumps political base can be convinced of the facts – if the answer is yes, he will lose Senate support. It’s all a political calculation.
Fraudzilla is a criminal and so this is the right thing to do. If the evidence was weak or spurious or open to interpretation I would agree with you Mish, but it is not, trump is caught dead to right breaking serious laws, not the least of which aside from blackmailing foreign leaders into helping to interfere with our elections is the obstruction of justice, THAT is what got Nixon pushed out and Trump deserves no better.
I know the brainwashed Trumpster base think he is the second coming and their minds can’t be changed, because they literally CANNOT be changed, they are like cement and just as smart as cement. But, the wider GOP wants him out, they know and are predicting a total wipeout for the republicans, with dem gains in the house, Dem control of the senate, and a dem president, Fat Ass has damaged their brand so badly they are lining up around the block to testify in front of impeachment committees. And the senate is NOT as solid as you think it is, privately GOP senators are saying they would vote to remove if it were a secret ballot. Even Moscow Mitch is waffling and making ominous noises about the trial that WILL happen, he could make the jury verdict a secret ballot if he wants to. The constitution does not dictate the rules of a trial in the senate, the rule as they were can be changed with a 50% plus 1 vote.
Unemployment just ticked up again today it was announced, and key swing states WI, MI, PA, all see unemployment rising, several reports in a row now. Who cares what happens in AL, or KY, or MS? We already know how they will vote, they would vote for Hitler if he was the GOP nominee and we all know it. By super Tuesday people will be afraid for their jobs. That is what will make the difference, so go ahead and impeach, it is the correct thing to do no matter political blowback. If the democrats stand there with their dicks in their hands while the worst thing to happen to this country since polio conspires to destroy us then they will deserve NOT to hold office anyway!
Your correct on one thing. The GOP would like Trump gone. The entire DC area is a sewer of corruption. Wealthiest area of the country and they produce NOTHING! They live off of the skim much like a bunch of mob bosses. The kids or family members set up consulting or lobbying and the graft flows to the members and government employees this way. Both parties are run to maintain the status quo of corruption and endless wars. Wars mean money and more money means a bigger skim. Trump threatens this and must go.
The only thing Fat Ass threatens is common sense and decency.
“I want to be clear, I was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed,” said Tim Morrison,
former NSC Senior Director for European Affairs who was on the July 25 call between the two leaders.
Morrison also testified that the transcript of the phone call which was declassified and released by the White House
“accurately and completely reflects the substance of the call.”
On the other hand people that actually did listen to the call and took contemporaneous notes say the so called transcript of the call was whitewashed and a true version would prove consciousness of guilt. You GOP can deny all you want you are still caught in a filthy stinking lie. Trump is NOT going to be the nominee for anything except maybe chow line monitor in prison.
Tim Morrison’s legal opinion is meaningless, he is not even a lawyer, and it is probably going to be he and Bolton that put the final nail in Trump’s coffin. As Palmer Report pointed out this morning, if you see someone with a gun in their hand go into a bank and alarms go off, then that person comes running out of the bank with a sack of cash and jumps into a getaway car, but you somehow do not believe that is illegal, the guy is still going to be convicted on eyewitness testimony for bank robbery. The witness’s opinion about the law involved is entirely irrelevant.
But didn’t Biden do the same thing? He threatened holding back $1 Billion to get a firing in 2016. What’s the difference?
Because that was in the United States interest, not solely for personal political gain. Trumps don’t understand that. It’s not America First, it is Trump first.
And it also allowed his coke head Son to keep getting $80K per month. It kept the coke head off welfare benefiting the United States.
Shamrock you have it perfectly backwards; your TDS has got you all mixed up.
TDS blah blah blah TDS TDS blah blah. You’re a one trick pony.
The difference is Trump did not do what Biden did, but Biden is a corrupt democrat establishment good old boy, so his crime which is right in everyone’s face will be ignored by the dems and MSM.
Riiiiiight! So when we are done removing your corrupt turd from office we will impeach Biden. Oh wait, Biden is not president with the power to start WWIII and force weak foreign leaders to do his bidding by withholding hundreds of billions in aid while that nation is fighting a war. There is exactly ZERO comparison, and for that matter the charges against Biden have already been debunked, it never was anything but a Faux News lie to start with. You really should be ashamed of yourself for repeating what everyone with common sense knows is pure slander.
PURE SLANDER hey ? It all dependends which side of the equation you re on , doesn’t it ? In my eyes the Bidens (and the Obamaed Clintons for that matter) are a corrupt bunch ! So what or who are you actually defending ? …..as a brainwashed fool….
No FB it most certainly does NOT, the claims by the fringe right have been debunked OVER AND OVER and only a willfully stupid person would continue to repeat them, I am looking at you!
2 Republican senators refute Trump’s Ukraine-Biden conspiracy theory
Sens. Rob Portman (R-OH) and Ron Johnson (R-WI) know that what Trump says about Biden just isn’t true.
I can go on posting ALL day and all day tomorrow as well, the charges that the Biden’s had corrupt dealings ANYWHERE are total bullshit and fraudulent, and it shows not only the gullibility and stupidity of the right it shows your own obvious dishonesty!
I was not going to vote democrat in 2020 but you sir and the ilk of the GOP have certainly changed my mind!
GO WARREN!!!! Screw Cooperman and all the billionaires, they should have a progressive wealth tax. The chickens ARE coming home to roost and you cannot say you were not warned 10, 20, even 30 years ago that if things did not change soon wealth inequality would kill this nation, now it has arrived and I am ecstatic about it, because yeah poverty will be everywhere, but then I am already in poverty as a disabled veteran and now all the fat parasites that have been looting the economy can join the rest of us wondering how they are going to get through next month.
Hey, I can make up lies the same as you and your sources too, that and $2 will get you a coffee at Starbucks. You have an accusation about Biden you can prove then by all means call the FBI and report the dude. But, it is so typical of the braindead far right to say when their corrupt politicians are caught HEY! LOOK OVER THERE AT THAT GUY…. Guess what Dogen, this is Trump’s impeachment not Biden’s.
The Biden case was not the same thing as Trump, because the corrupt Ukranian prosecutor was actively trying to stop investigation of Burisma. So by pushing to have the prosecutor removed, Biden in effect would increase the chances that Burisma would be investigated, not reduce them.
What laws did Trump actually break ? Checking corrupt activities by a corrupt gang? Does that fall under election interference ? Why,? Because Peluzi and other CNN favorites say so ?
Soliciting things of value from foreign sources in order to influence and election is a felony, but pales in comparison to the obstruction of justice that was involved in the ongoing cover up. All he had to do was be honest about it and he might have got off the first charges, but obstruction is a straight up impeachable felony and before the right whines about it anymore I will remind you that Clinton and Lewinsky had private consensual sex NOT A CRIME but the GOP impeached him for obstruction. So go ahead and bitch all you want, all you are doing is showing what a hypocrite you are.
….After being bashed and bullied and hunted and prosecuted and humiliated throughout his entire presidency by a spiteful, biased sore losers msm herd it is not surprising Trump and co prefer to cover up certain issues ……other presidents like the black messiah for example must have had secret ‘(and sacred) agendas too but never got harrassed…….If I were Trump I would even hide my stool just in case there are some remnants of RUSSIAN kaviar in it
sure Herkie, a shady, skills lacking american fella on the board of a shady company in a shady basket case country in Russia’s backyard getting paid a million bucks/year is very logical innit?
Why yes it is assuming your name calling is even halfway appropriate, for a million bucks there is not a single one of us that would not take a seat on the board of a company ANYWHERE, shady or not.
As to Trump’s crimes, and in spite of your weak attempts to distract and divert from that which is all we need to be talking about I read this today at Axios:
What they’re saying: Republicans acknowledging the possibility of a quid pro quo are emphasizing that they believe the president’s request was legal and standard foreign policy that doesn’t constitute an impeachable offense.
Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.) “argued that there may have been a quid pro quo but said that the U.S. government often attaches conditions to foreign aid and that nothing was amiss in Trump’s doing so in the case of aid to Ukraine,” multiple people familiar with the session told the Post.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said that “a quid pro quo is not illegal unless there is ‘corrupt intent’ and echoed Kennedy’s argument that such conditions are a tool of foreign policy.”
WELL>>>> What could be more corrupt than blackmailing an entire country into fabricating false accusations against a political rival? And it is also illegal, all these people coming up with opinions about the legality of what went on, they are not the ones to judge, and, legal or not are you republicans seriously intending to defend this dumpsterfire of a president that would do something THAT un American? We have said on the left for years now that the election of 2016 was rigged and you all denied that, now that tard has been caught red handed trying rig 2020 and you have the gall to stand there with dicks in hand pretending like this is normal or in ANY way acceptable? I have news for you, the GOP is the minority party and you are going to get blown out of DC along with all your swamp creatures next November.
…..I rest my case …..as an outsider(I am belgian) I can afford a good deal of common sense and objectivity …..and no I am not a Trump fan whatsoever, I think he s a megalomaniac egocentric narcissist fart but that does not exclude that he s damn right occasionally especially as far as the Biden clan is concerned ….and please cut the CNN inspired ‘rigged elections’ nonsense ….it is PATHETIC …. kind regards.
FB you never made a case TO rest, accusing Biden has nothing to do with the crimes of the orange fat ass.
Also a new bit out today (funny what they find when they start to investigate, too bad the GOP can’t find anything but lies about democrats)
Trump 2016 Deputy Campaign Chairman Rick Gates testified to Mueller that he heard Donald Trump say “get the emails” to his team. Michael Flynn responded that he could try to obtain the emails from his Russian intel sources, and Trump did nothing to discourage this offer. Knowingly receiving stolen goods is a felony, so this proves that Donald Trump criminally conspired to obtain the stolen DNC emails. Worse, Trump entered into a criminal conspiracy to obtain the emails from Russia.
Oh yeah, the flaccid know nothing Republican redacted Mueller report is coming out and there was grounds to impeach over the 2016 election, even more now. Your dumb ass friend in the White House is toast!
By the way, if you can in your fevered brain manage to make what Trump and the GOP legal, acceptable, then what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. The GOP has always been dirty, and they just get dirtier the more outnumbered they are, but, we can also play dirty and you sure as shit will not like that. Trust me. Two can play your game.
“Witch hunt” my arse. He’s a serial colluder with only himself to blame, and you’re delusional if you think otherwise.
This has been the establishment plan from the beginning. If you watched the inauguration speech, you could see it coming. Trump went after BOTH parties as this was “not the normal transfer of power from one party to another but rather the transfer of power from Washington back to the people”. Those were fighting words and a real threat to DC . The entire area lives off the skim ($4 trillion) and endless wars!
It’s an exercise in damage control. Pelosi never wanted to start this impeachment show; she only did it to keep her power and keep the Dem party together. They already sacrificed Biden (I already knew about Hunter/Burisma years ago, but now everybody does), because they don’t believe he can do anything for the party or the country. Pelosi will be satisfied if the Senate actually deigns to accomodate a trial.
But even then the damage for Dems could be uncontrollable when everything is aired. That said, the Republicans may still vote Trump down because he definitely is “not one of us”. If they do, the USA might as well a get a literal marionette to perform the will of the lobbyists and agencies running the government.
I am waiting for the result of the AG’s investigation into the origins of the Trump investigation. Durham apparently found a trove of material, more than he was expecting. It is now a criminal investigation and the scope has expanded beyond the original parameters.
The one thing that the 2016 election is exposing is just how corrupt our government is.
NuMike I have no idea WTF that popcorn was all about – Don’t post ads again please
Rot in hell Pelosi. No wonder you’re an alcoholic. Probably doesn’t have any mirrors in her house.
What else do the Dems have? Establishment Republican’s would try to take Trump down as well, if they thought they could preserve their job, perks, and power. If they fail, everyone should know what will be attempted next (to bad Trump can’t consult Reagan).
People Suspected of Witchcraft Are Still Being Persecuted and Killed https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evj7zw/witchcraft-related-violence-un
People suspected of whatever Dear Leader feels he may personally benefit from persecuting people for, are persecuted everywhere. That’s what governments do. Nothing particularly unusual about witchcraft, nor those who use that specific excuse for persecuting someone.
Even my pre-teen daughter said “why didn’t they just wait until the elections to work this out.” She attends a very liberal school too.
Your pre-teen daughter obviously has more common sense than our politicians.
Because they think they’ll lose in 2020.
Voting for impeachment sets up an interesting dynamic where the debt ceiling will be reached very quickly. Trump could very well shut down portions of the government, and some of those functions could impact impeachment hearings.
One hurdle down. Only two remain: 1. Convince 130 million voters that Joe Biden’s doper son was really worth $1,000,000 per year to a Ukrainian energy firm, absent Joe’s strong-arming as Vice President of the United States of America, and 2. Find 20 Republican United States Senators with an overwhelming political death wish.
“The current Senate makeup is 53 Republicans, 45 Democrats, and 2 Independents that caucus with the Democrats.”
The ouster of Ukraine’s elected president using paid demonstrators and snipers (yes, the Maidan snipers were working for US) has the black hands of both parties all over it. Even if there is a slight majority of Republicans in the Senate, many Republicans (not necessarily in the Senate) have something to hide regarding Ukraine and ‘our’ neonazi beneficiaries there. Very few Senators will want to risk being labeled as Russian ‘assets’.
This means that Trump will have to continue the hostile relationship with Russia and not do any good things that could be seen as benefiting Putin, true or not.
Fortunately, it may not matter as the rest of the world sees how worthless (or worse) an alliance with US is. The Nordstream 2 pipeline has been approved and the Germany will no longer be ‘our’ vassal state, as it has been since WWII.
Germany, and the rest of the EU, was ‘at the trough’ of the United States for the better part of seventy five years. They could sell their cars no where else for a period of time due to their (Europe’s) economy – so they sent them here. The EU had no means of taxation – so they devised the way to fine our (U S only, so far) conglomerates for ‘fair share’ funding.
The Gas may end costing more? Who knows – cares?
One year before the elections? That’s more than insane.
They are going to give Trump, a man who created his own reality TV show and made it a hit, a yuge platform at peak primary time. He will suck all the oxygen out of the primaries, knock off Biden, and hand-pick his opponent. I almost feel sorry for them. Nah, they deserve it.
Nope, Trump is going to crash and burn with many independents as a results of this impeachment.
Is it just me thinking that with impeachment proceedings underway, if/when the economic SHTF, our fearless leaders will be utterly incapable of working together, making the mess that much worse?
the less they “achieve,” the better off we are.
unless you think “TARP” helped you.
Just as with the Tory Brexit Remainers, there will be a few NWO Republicans to vote with the Dems.