She’s as mad as mature cheddar that one. And unbelievably her audience were lapping it up.
They really aren’t too smart.
davebarnes
5 years ago
Drink better wine and beer.
That seems the most reasonable course to me.
Webej
5 years ago
To be fair, she said “we’re, like the world will end …”, which is a rhetocial device, meant to underscore or exagerate (the urgency), not a literal statement of fact. “We’re all, like completely stoned, when suddenly …” Whatever the expense, think of how costly it will be when we have to manufacture a new earth. … Nobody can predict acclerating positive feed-backs or tipping points to runaway change, but the possibilities are real enough.
Cecil1
5 years ago
What to do??
Steal more of your money and redistribute it as government sees fit
“Climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.” – Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC’s fourth report. Speaking in 2010:
KCMJ
5 years ago
Retired meteorologist here. Note to all……climate change has been with us for as long as records go back, including tree rings and any other long term measure you want to choose. Nothing new there, just changing the title from global warming to climate change. All politics and those with agendas. Still waiting for the west coast of California to be covered by the ocean as we were all told back in the 80s.
Bankster
5 years ago
Has she defined “The World Ends”? Does that mean life starts to decline in 12 years or starts to decline earlier and all life ends in 12 years? I’m trying to figure out when to quit my job based on the opinion of this waitress turned prophet.
WildBull
5 years ago
Realist,
My daughter brought a spread sheet home from school to estimate our family's CO2 footprint. We were at 5.6 X "our fair share." I worked it backwards. To get to 1.0, we would be able to own no cars and live at 150 sq ft. per person. No one not taking public transit or having a house bigger than 600 sq ft has grounds to bitch.
Also, keep in mind that between 50 and 100 of the delegates to the 2014 climate change shindig in the Netherlands arrived in private jets. AGW abatement is apparently for the illuminati to decide and for the rest us to suffer. The way to save us from AWG is to make us poor.
I am also in favor of those in favor of higher taxes to please send a check to Uncle Sam.
abend237-04
5 years ago
Maybe there’s a genetic component involved in producing leftist wackos with a twelve year Armageddon horizon. In April, 1977 I remember Jimmy Carter solemnly intoning us to get out of fossil fuels. They were all going to be used up by ‘the end of the 1980’s…at the latest.
ReadyKilowatt
5 years ago
Meanwhile the people who are telling me I have to live in the cold and dark are living it up in Davos…
KidHorn
5 years ago
We have politicians who don’t understand global warming getting their information from journalists who don’t understand global warming who write articles based on whoever makes the most dire predictions. What could go wrong?
Humans have been contributing to global warming for 5,000 or so years and so far, we’ve had about 1C of warming. But somehow we’re all doomed in 12 years. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows this is total BS.
The only place in the world with much population growth is sub Saharan Africa. So the solution to our problems is to tell black people they can’t have babies. I doubt AOC will propose that.
Bam_Man
5 years ago
It won’t be “The end of the World”, only “The end of You”.
RonJ
5 years ago
The world is not going to end in 12 years if we do not fall for climate change alarmism. Climate change alarmism is about socialism, not climate. Socialism will not prevent climate from changing.
Note that not one climate change alarmist has proclaimed that they are drastically cutting their own carbon footprint. Note also that the hysteria level has been purposefully heightened by climate alarmists since Trump pulled out of the Paris accord. it is a propaganda campaign by alarmists, nothing more.
If you are correct, then the sooner we can get the earth to heat up the better. Why wait until the number of people in low-lying areas has doubled? Why try to relocate twice as many people later after the sea rises as you claim? I say, let’s do all we can to speed up global warming. My garden loves the longer growing season and the plants are totally digging the increased CO2, I can get by with less firewood in the winter, and my winter coat will last much longer. I’m loving this idea so much I’m going to go out and burn some trash. I hope you’re not lying to me!
FelixMish
5 years ago
Mish, please don’t replicate the Washington DC habit of pulling numbers from the air without a duration. 32 trillion? Over what time period?
Or is that just “some big, scary number”?
MatthewB
5 years ago
Change is happening,regardless of what the government does…..
US CO2 production has been steadily going down over the past decade or so. The problem isn’t the US. It’s the developing world. Coal plants are cheaper to build and operate.
Six000mileyear
5 years ago
So climate change will impose term limits on politicians? Sounds good to me.
Tengen
5 years ago
The world should look a whole lot worse in twelve years, but it won’t be due to climate change.
At this point I’m not sure which would be more unpleasant, the collapse of the debt ponzi, or the Fed somehow keeping all the chainsaws in the air for another dozen years while imbalances become even more pronounced and media relentlessly stokes the fires of civil discord to keep heat off the bankers. Think I’d rather get the reset over with, come what may.
“Think I’d rather get the reset over with, come what may.”
Same here! But the Fed and politicians prefer “can kicking” to a reset. So it is likely that it is what we will get.
I am waiting for the last straw on the camel’s back (like Macron shooting a few Yellow Vest) at which point we will get the reset along with a civil war.
Mish
5 years ago
“I do not think she is an imbecile, she has a degree in economics. What is your degree?”
She absolutely is an imbecile. Degrees don’t insure against stupidity – especially degrees in economics
Oh yes, I remember taking three ECON classes in college (1990s). It was more religion than science.
For starters, the textbooks back then would have thought prolonged peacetime ZIRP/NIRP impossible, not to mention our debt overhang. LIBOR rigging, buybacks done only so execs can cash out, the stuff we regularly see now was considered science fiction.
Apparently the underlying assumptions for all those economic models were based on an honor code that didn’t really exist, that a rising tide would lift all boats rather than just a few. Oops!
Economics was actually her minor.
Ocasio-Cortez major is international relations.
She just lied a little to make herself look smarter…
Degrees are turning worthless since colleges and universities have become so dumb because many professors are wacky identity-politics zealots and there is massive group-think going on and being different is discouraged unless you are different in the standard-leftist way and better not discuss any issues that might make a snowflake feel bad because making snowflakes living in fantasyland-utopia feel bad with facts is hate speech.
Some are saying Ocasio-Cortez also benefited from affirmative action so she stole a place from some African-American for whom Affirmative Action was created to lessen inequality but AOC used it since she is a “minority” despite living in well-off zipcode as a kid thanks to her parents working hard.
I’m not going to venture a guess as to whether she’s an imbecile, but the alternative is worse, and that is that she deliberately says things she knows to be wrong.
Having a degree in economics does not mean one cannot be an imbecile. Similarly not having a degree in economics need not mean you cannot talk sense. What she talks is good for publicity & headlines and not for economy. The imbecile comment should be read in this context.
This is another kind of fear-mongering (not unlike what Bernanke & Co claimed in 2008 – that we will all end up begging if we do not bail the banksters, it would have been worse but for their actions-akin to an arsonist claiming credit for putting out a fire, Carney and Politicians claiming it will be the end of UK if people vote for Brexit).
Some more about how this propaganda on Global warming is working out here…
I think she proves that the value of a degree in economics is something very close to zero.
Jojo
5 years ago
Speaking of… Let the fireworks fly!
Ocasio-Cortez and liberal freshmen join Oversight Committee
01/22/2019
Aaaal
5 years ago
As if gov’t could solve any complex problem.
Jojo
5 years ago
“Meanwhile, it’s pathetic how the liberal media fawns all over this totally clueless fool.”
But nowhere near as pathetic as to how the media in general covers loser Trump.
Blurtman
5 years ago
The student loans will survive.
gregggg
5 years ago
… and as the picture confirms, she is again, upside down with her pants off. It’s the only way she can talk.
shamrock
5 years ago
If everyone who was sufficiently “concerned” about climate change would buy enough solar panels and batteries to power their homes and electric cars, stop eating beef, grow as much as their own food as possible, and never fly again, then we would meet our Paris Climate targets easily. Instead, the only “action” they take is to whine and moan about why the government won’t solve the problem for them. A government which is incapable of solving the problem because any solution will be written by lobbyists to benefit some constituency and would probably make things worse. (See ethanol mandate.)
Yet even if every American did the things you suggest, it will be completely overwhelmed by the actions of the people of India and China. #futile
If this is the case, I would rather take my chances by continuing to enjoy my present lifestyle.
2banana
5 years ago
Al Gore said the same thing in the 1990s…
The same was said in the 1970s with the best selling book “Silent Spring.”
The common denominator?
All solutions require massive governmental growth and massive tax increases. And banning stuff.
I was born in 1960. In the late 80’s I compiled a list of “issues” that were historically promoted as the sky is falling. (No more landfill space, ozone hole, overpopulation, pollution, acid rain, lack of water-energy-food leading to mass die-offs etc) I added to the list as time passed by, and finally stopped when the list passed 45 or so. The thing of it was, just as you say, the solution to fixing each of them was bigger government and abandoning western civ’s lifestyle. It is hard for me to think that this hysteria is any different since the solution is the same of the rest.
“What if you are wrong?” // You mean like those “world-ending” hysterias I witnessed and compiled? We apparently didn’t run out of landfill space. We produce magnitudes more waste daily than we did back then, yet we haven’t changed our disposal methods.
The ozone hole reappears annually just as it did prior to when CFCs were invented.
Lakes and streams remain just as acidic as before because the cause of the acidity hasn’t been addressed. (Lichen)
We haven’t experienced mass human die-offs due to overpopulation or lack of energy-water-food.
In fact all of the crisis du jours never panned out, even though the desired fix wasn’t employed. They just no longer talked about it anymore and the circus moved on to the next human caused world-ending disaster.
So what if I’m wrong? We’ll deal with the issues as they come, just like always. But one thing I won’t be able to do is to keep the people of India or China from seeking a first world lifestyle. And without that, there is no way to get a net reduction of worldwide CO2 emissions.
What if he’s wrong? Well, obviously that would mean he missed the opportunity to party for 12 years. (If the world really is going to end in 12 years, it’s far too late to save it, so Mish is correct that the intelligent thing to do would be to enjoy the time you have left, and not worry about it.)
Realist, banning R-12 was a good thing, but it can’t possibly have any impact on the Ozone layer in our lifetime. R-12 has a half-life in the atmosphere of 700 years. Thus, in the twenty years since we banned R-12, even if none at all was emitted since then, R-12 levels will have only fallen by 1.5%. Any “repair” will be a very, very long time coming.
well to be fair, silent spring, the ozone layer, and acid rain were all actually addressed. it’s not like they went away on their own, they put policies in place to restrict the causes and then it stopped being a problem.
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She’s as mad as mature cheddar that one. And unbelievably her audience were lapping it up.
They really aren’t too smart.
Drink better wine and beer.
That seems the most reasonable course to me.
To be fair, she said “we’re, like the world will end …”, which is a rhetocial device, meant to underscore or exagerate (the urgency), not a literal statement of fact. “We’re all, like completely stoned, when suddenly …” Whatever the expense, think of how costly it will be when we have to manufacture a new earth. … Nobody can predict acclerating positive feed-backs or tipping points to runaway change, but the possibilities are real enough.
What to do??
Steal more of your money and redistribute it as government sees fit
“Climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.” – Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC’s fourth report. Speaking in 2010:
Retired meteorologist here. Note to all……climate change has been with us for as long as records go back, including tree rings and any other long term measure you want to choose. Nothing new there, just changing the title from global warming to climate change. All politics and those with agendas. Still waiting for the west coast of California to be covered by the ocean as we were all told back in the 80s.
Has she defined “The World Ends”? Does that mean life starts to decline in 12 years or starts to decline earlier and all life ends in 12 years? I’m trying to figure out when to quit my job based on the opinion of this waitress turned prophet.
Realist,
Maybe there’s a genetic component involved in producing leftist wackos with a twelve year Armageddon horizon. In April, 1977 I remember Jimmy Carter solemnly intoning us to get out of fossil fuels. They were all going to be used up by ‘the end of the 1980’s…at the latest.
Meanwhile the people who are telling me I have to live in the cold and dark are living it up in Davos…
We have politicians who don’t understand global warming getting their information from journalists who don’t understand global warming who write articles based on whoever makes the most dire predictions. What could go wrong?
Humans have been contributing to global warming for 5,000 or so years and so far, we’ve had about 1C of warming. But somehow we’re all doomed in 12 years. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows this is total BS.
Human overpopulation=global warming.
The only place in the world with much population growth is sub Saharan Africa. So the solution to our problems is to tell black people they can’t have babies. I doubt AOC will propose that.
It won’t be “The end of the World”, only “The end of You”.
The world is not going to end in 12 years if we do not fall for climate change alarmism. Climate change alarmism is about socialism, not climate. Socialism will not prevent climate from changing.
Note that not one climate change alarmist has proclaimed that they are drastically cutting their own carbon footprint. Note also that the hysteria level has been purposefully heightened by climate alarmists since Trump pulled out of the Paris accord. it is a propaganda campaign by alarmists, nothing more.
If you are correct, then the sooner we can get the earth to heat up the better. Why wait until the number of people in low-lying areas has doubled? Why try to relocate twice as many people later after the sea rises as you claim? I say, let’s do all we can to speed up global warming. My garden loves the longer growing season and the plants are totally digging the increased CO2, I can get by with less firewood in the winter, and my winter coat will last much longer. I’m loving this idea so much I’m going to go out and burn some trash. I hope you’re not lying to me!
Mish, please don’t replicate the Washington DC habit of pulling numbers from the air without a duration. 32 trillion? Over what time period?
Or is that just “some big, scary number”?
Change is happening,regardless of what the government does…..
US CO2 production has been steadily going down over the past decade or so. The problem isn’t the US. It’s the developing world. Coal plants are cheaper to build and operate.
So climate change will impose term limits on politicians? Sounds good to me.
The world should look a whole lot worse in twelve years, but it won’t be due to climate change.
At this point I’m not sure which would be more unpleasant, the collapse of the debt ponzi, or the Fed somehow keeping all the chainsaws in the air for another dozen years while imbalances become even more pronounced and media relentlessly stokes the fires of civil discord to keep heat off the bankers. Think I’d rather get the reset over with, come what may.
“Think I’d rather get the reset over with, come what may.”
Same here! But the Fed and politicians prefer “can kicking” to a reset. So it is likely that it is what we will get.
I am waiting for the last straw on the camel’s back (like Macron shooting a few Yellow Vest) at which point we will get the reset along with a civil war.
“I do not think she is an imbecile, she has a degree in economics. What is your degree?”
She absolutely is an imbecile. Degrees don’t insure against stupidity – especially degrees in economics
Oh yes, I remember taking three ECON classes in college (1990s). It was more religion than science.
For starters, the textbooks back then would have thought prolonged peacetime ZIRP/NIRP impossible, not to mention our debt overhang. LIBOR rigging, buybacks done only so execs can cash out, the stuff we regularly see now was considered science fiction.
Apparently the underlying assumptions for all those economic models were based on an honor code that didn’t really exist, that a rising tide would lift all boats rather than just a few. Oops!
Economics was actually her minor.
Ocasio-Cortez major is international relations.
She just lied a little to make herself look smarter…
Degrees are turning worthless since colleges and universities have become so dumb because many professors are wacky identity-politics zealots and there is massive group-think going on and being different is discouraged unless you are different in the standard-leftist way and better not discuss any issues that might make a snowflake feel bad because making snowflakes living in fantasyland-utopia feel bad with facts is hate speech.
Some are saying Ocasio-Cortez also benefited from affirmative action so she stole a place from some African-American for whom Affirmative Action was created to lessen inequality but AOC used it since she is a “minority” despite living in well-off zipcode as a kid thanks to her parents working hard.
I’m not going to venture a guess as to whether she’s an imbecile, but the alternative is worse, and that is that she deliberately says things she knows to be wrong.
Pray tell me how do such imbeciles get elected?
I do not think she is an imbecile, she has a degree in economics. What is your degree?
Having a degree in economics does not mean one cannot be an imbecile. Similarly not having a degree in economics need not mean you cannot talk sense. What she talks is good for publicity & headlines and not for economy. The imbecile comment should be read in this context.
BTW, I am a Mechanical Engineer with a MBA.
Having a degree in mechanical engineering with an MBA does not mean the holder cannot be an imbecile. Tit for tat….
Oh yes! But in far fewer numbers than those with a degree in economics
Moreover, we engineers do not think that we can control the world with a tweak of interest rate unlike economists.
This is another kind of fear-mongering (not unlike what Bernanke & Co claimed in 2008 – that we will all end up begging if we do not bail the banksters, it would have been worse but for their actions-akin to an arsonist claiming credit for putting out a fire, Carney and Politicians claiming it will be the end of UK if people vote for Brexit).
Some more about how this propaganda on Global warming is working out here…
I think she proves that the value of a degree in economics is something very close to zero.
Speaking of… Let the fireworks fly!
Ocasio-Cortez and liberal freshmen join Oversight Committee
01/22/2019
As if gov’t could solve any complex problem.
“Meanwhile, it’s pathetic how the liberal media fawns all over this totally clueless fool.”
But nowhere near as pathetic as to how the media in general covers loser Trump.
The student loans will survive.
… and as the picture confirms, she is again, upside down with her pants off. It’s the only way she can talk.
If everyone who was sufficiently “concerned” about climate change would buy enough solar panels and batteries to power their homes and electric cars, stop eating beef, grow as much as their own food as possible, and never fly again, then we would meet our Paris Climate targets easily. Instead, the only “action” they take is to whine and moan about why the government won’t solve the problem for them. A government which is incapable of solving the problem because any solution will be written by lobbyists to benefit some constituency and would probably make things worse. (See ethanol mandate.)
Yet even if every American did the things you suggest, it will be completely overwhelmed by the actions of the people of India and China. #futile
If this is the case, I would rather take my chances by continuing to enjoy my present lifestyle.
Al Gore said the same thing in the 1990s…
The same was said in the 1970s with the best selling book “Silent Spring.”
The common denominator?
All solutions require massive governmental growth and massive tax increases. And banning stuff.
It is for our own good.
I was born in 1960. In the late 80’s I compiled a list of “issues” that were historically promoted as the sky is falling. (No more landfill space, ozone hole, overpopulation, pollution, acid rain, lack of water-energy-food leading to mass die-offs etc) I added to the list as time passed by, and finally stopped when the list passed 45 or so. The thing of it was, just as you say, the solution to fixing each of them was bigger government and abandoning western civ’s lifestyle. It is hard for me to think that this hysteria is any different since the solution is the same of the rest.
What if you are wrong???????????????
“What if you are wrong?” // You mean like those “world-ending” hysterias I witnessed and compiled? We apparently didn’t run out of landfill space. We produce magnitudes more waste daily than we did back then, yet we haven’t changed our disposal methods.
The ozone hole reappears annually just as it did prior to when CFCs were invented.
Lakes and streams remain just as acidic as before because the cause of the acidity hasn’t been addressed. (Lichen)
We haven’t experienced mass human die-offs due to overpopulation or lack of energy-water-food.
In fact all of the crisis du jours never panned out, even though the desired fix wasn’t employed. They just no longer talked about it anymore and the circus moved on to the next human caused world-ending disaster.
So what if I’m wrong? We’ll deal with the issues as they come, just like always. But one thing I won’t be able to do is to keep the people of India or China from seeking a first world lifestyle. And without that, there is no way to get a net reduction of worldwide CO2 emissions.
What if he’s wrong? Well, obviously that would mean he missed the opportunity to party for 12 years. (If the world really is going to end in 12 years, it’s far too late to save it, so Mish is correct that the intelligent thing to do would be to enjoy the time you have left, and not worry about it.)
Realist, banning R-12 was a good thing, but it can’t possibly have any impact on the Ozone layer in our lifetime. R-12 has a half-life in the atmosphere of 700 years. Thus, in the twenty years since we banned R-12, even if none at all was emitted since then, R-12 levels will have only fallen by 1.5%. Any “repair” will be a very, very long time coming.
well to be fair, silent spring, the ozone layer, and acid rain were all actually addressed. it’s not like they went away on their own, they put policies in place to restrict the causes and then it stopped being a problem.