Recession Watch: Is It Time to Buy 10-Year Treasuries?

US Treasury Yields from New York Fed, chart by Mish

Treasury Yields May 25 to July 5 

June 14 Yield Peak

  • Yields peaked on June 14, reversing intraday then falling sharply the next day. 
  • Yield on the 7-year note went from 3.61 to 2.82
  • Yield on the 10-year note went from 3.49 to 2.82
  • Yield on the 30-year long bond went from 3.45 to 3.05.

That’s quite the rally on the middle to long end of the curve.

Yield Curve Spreads Since January 2022

Yield Curve Spread calculations by Mish from New York Fed Data

The much watched, indeed over-watched 2-10 spread inverted again today. The Fed data download has the spread at zero. 

Inversion of the 2-10 bond yields is considered an advance recession warning but what’s the point now? We are in recession. 

Twitter Comment

I saw an interesting viewpoint on Twitter today. I cannot locate the Tweet but it went something like this: “If the Fed hints at pausing, the 10-year yield will crash.”

I believe such thinking is backward. 

I suggest the rally at the long end of the curve is because we are in recession yet the Fed has signaled more rate hikes are on the way.

The bond market’s message is that Powell is finally taking inflation seriously. But how long will that last?

Powel On Understanding Inflation

Let’s review the key Powell statements from June 29 as noted in Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”

  1. Powell: “There’s a clock running here. The risk is that because of the multiplicity of shocks, you start to transition into a higher-inflation regime. Our job is literally to prevent that from happening, and we will prevent that from happening.”
  2. Powell: “The process is highly likely to involve some pain, but the worse pain would be in failing to address this high inflation and allowing it to become persistent.”
  3. Powell: “Households are in very strong financial shape. They still have a lot of excess savings from forced savings and also fiscal transfers. The same is true of businesses. The labor market is tremendously strong. Overall the US economy is well positioned to stand tighter monetary policy.”
  4. Powell: “Is there a risk we would go too far? Certainly there’s a risk. The bigger mistake to make, let’s put it that way, would be to fail to restore price stability.”

I strongly disagree with point three except for the labor market. The other points could not possibly be more clear, even if I do not necessary agree. 

Expect an Overshoot

Powell’s statements translate to damn the recession full speed ahead with hikes.

Based on his comments. I expect the Fed to overshoot. 

Time to Buy Treasuries?

Q: Is it time to buy 10-year Treasuries?
A: As long as the Fed does not back down on tightening, yes.

Expect more and deeper inversions as the Fed hikes. Expect short-term yields to rise and long-term yields to decline.

Rent rather than buy may be more like it. I suspect we have seen secular lows in the 30-year long bond. 

The secular tailwinds of globalization are no longer at the Fed’s back. 

Expect a Long But Shallow Recession With Minimal Job Losses

A recession has started, but what will it look like?

For discussion, please see Expect a Long But Shallow Recession With Minimal Job Losses

What About the Stock Market?

Look at things this way: We have energy shocks, wage pressures, a supply chain mess, earnings estimates that remain ridiculously high, and a Fed that is likely to overshoot. Don’t expect the Fed to come to the rescue.

Finally, we have an inept president pushing unions and promoting clean energy policies that are very inflationary.

Even if the recession isn’t long, this is a very nasty brew. The economy rates to be weak, perhaps flirting with recession for a long time.

So expect a disaster in the stock market. We are not close to the bottom.

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david halte
david halte
1 year ago
The Fed hasn’t begun QT, and 10Y TNs have peaked? 3.5 percent seems attractive, by a trend line through the 10Y rate peaks of 2013 and 2018.
In 2013 Bernanke spoke of ending QE, 10Y yields surged to 3 percent. Yellen took over as Chairman and QEed long rates down. In 2018, only $500B of $4.5T was QTed off the Fed’s balance sheet, 10Y rates rose above 3 percent and housing failed. Powell halted balance sheet reduction, rates took a round trip down, followed by the pandemic. During 2013 and 2018 the gerrymandered measure of inflation was 2 percent. Inflation is now 8 percent. The Fed’s TINA is tighten long rates or risk loosing control of inflation, inflation that is hotter than reported by the BLS.
In Q2 2012, 10Y rates fell by a third, to then a historic low of 1.5 percent. Rates remained suppressed for the remainder of the year. The reduction was the result of new QE and matured 5Y Bills extended to 10Y Notes (the twist). The large quantity of Notes, required to quash rates at that low level, are now maturing and should keep upward pressure on rates through 2022. That is if the Fed is serious about QT, and doesn’t repurchase these obligations.
Counter
Counter
1 year ago
The MOVE Index, which measures bond market volatility, hit the 160s in March 2020 – up over four standard deviations from its post-2012 average. Yesterday it hit 156.16
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Counter
Looks like a coincident indicator that might not have any predictive value.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Counter
Looks like a coincident indicator that might not have any predictive value. Looks like it simply confirms.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
The idea that bitcoin is a cuurency is nuts. What credible currency swings as much as bitcoin has?
oee
oee
1 year ago
Both the ISM manufacturing index and the ISM non-manufacturing index are above 50, which means the econ is expanding. The ISM institute indicates that there will be a recession when the ISM manufacturing index hits 42. It has not happended yet.
Gailhughes
Gailhughes
1 year ago
Can the bitcoin variety of money creation, as a draw on the stockpile of goods and services without any matching contribution to production be anything other than a driver of inflation?
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  Gailhughes
As Mish likes to remind us, for every buyer there is a seller. So since the same amount of dollars is going into bitcoin as there is coming out, I’m not sure it would have any effect on inflation.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Our job is literally to prevent that from happening, and we will prevent that from happening.”
Narrator: it happened.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Yes
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
JP is the most powerful man in the world. He will defeat inflation like Paul Volcker. Paul Volcker didn’t defeat inflation. New oil fields
in Alaska, the Gulf of Mexico, the N. Sea, Siberia…and the end of Iraq/Iran war created an oil glut. The oil glut defeated inflation,
not Paul Volcker. Paul Volcker advised Nixon to divorce gold after LBJ excessive spending.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Yeah. Volker didn’t do anything. He just let interest rates rise naturally. That’s the point. Turns out people really do want something for lending their money.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
GBP/USD Nixon BoJo.
Steve_R
Steve_R
1 year ago
Buy the ten year, short term ladder bonds sound more logical to me.
The good news is the bloomberg commodity index is rolling over $BCOM, this will help business and the consumer. That along with the call by Citi Bank, lower energy prices will help world economies.

A big bank made a big call Tuesday on the price direction of crude
oil, and market participants are acting on it in a big way in the
trading session.

The Call: On Tuesday morning, Citigroup issued a dire
warning to owners of crude oil futures and related products, which also
has negative implications for issues in the oil patch.

Citigroup warned that crude oil could decline to $65/barrel by year-end
and $45/barrel by the end of 2023 if the U.S. economy slips into a
recession.

honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve_R
I would not believe Citi for a second…..85 will be low….they are trying to get in…..that bank should have been shut down not promoted
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
Definitely not a good time to buy the 10 year. CPI Inflation will remain extremely high for years due to catching up to rent and Owner Equivalent Rent, alone.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
stagflation for a few years maybe a decade or more. which is really nasty brew. we haven’t seen that in half a century. people are already in recession and inflation mindset. the people get it. powell will for sure keep raising rates. he needs to destroy inflation. will be fits and starts for years. probably go through 2 or 3 fed chairs before it’s all over. like last time stagflation reared her ugly head. this time we have bigger anchors to drag us down. we had guns and butter of 60s which delivered stagflation. now we have guns and butter times 10. this ain’t gonna be a run of the mill recession. this is stagflation. go buy some food or pay utility bills…………..or buy a house. the money ain’t strong. don’t care about euro. we live here. i vote in EU.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
“A long shallow recession with minimal job losses.”
Sounds perfect.
People still travelling to work. Focusing their spending on necessities; food, shelter, health, energy. Less on discretionary.
Should be good for oil and gas companies. Prices remain firm. Cash flow will be impressive when Q2 results come out over the next few weeks.
Today’s drop in share prices was a gift. I was loading up on all my favorites. The companies keep paying down or paying off debt and buying back their shares at these bargain prices. (Pine Cliff Energy is the latest to be debt free as of June 30).
Most of the companies I own trade at over 40% FCF at $100 WTI. And even if a serious recession causes $70 WTI they trade at 20% FCF.
Though I expect oil to average over $100 this year.
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Share buybacks are often purchased through issuing debt, not better earnings. Not sure how that is a positive, unless you expect raging inflation for a multi-year time frame.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
No. That is not what is happening with today’s oil companies.
They are using their huge cash flow to pay down debt. Some have already paid off their debt.
This was forced on them because lenders were abandoning the sector or placing onerous ESG conditions on their financing.
The share buybacks are in addition to the debt reductions. Because the companies are gushing cash flow.
And the cash flow is not being used to expand production in most of these companies. (Though a few are modestly expanding).
Because their share prices are so low that share buybacks provide a far better return than expanding production.
And many companies are now committing to returning up to 100% of FCF to shareholders, once debt targets are reached. Which for most companies will happen in the next few months, though some are already there.
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Dave, do you know of a newsletter/advisor that compiles a list of these companies that are in such good positions to return profits going forward? I’m not a trader and not sure how to find them.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
Follow Eric Nuttall on Twitter. Lots if videos on BNN Bloomberg as well. He runs the largest oil and gas fund in Canada.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
This info is from one of his charts on twitter.
How fast can these companies pay off ALL debt and buyback ALL shares using cash flow from $100 oil ?
Athabasca : 1.2 years
Crescent Point: 1.8
Vermillion: 2
Baytex: 2
Surge Energy: 2
Enerplus: 2
Whitecap: 2.2
Gear: 2.2
Nuvista: 2.3
Tamarack: 2.7
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Thank you so much!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
You’re welcome. Another good day to load up.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I see this dip being buying opportunity but it has more to go….
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
I was loading up yesterday.
MarcSaver
MarcSaver
1 year ago
The Fed seems to hike or cut in accordance where the 3-month & 6-month T-Bill yields are trading. If so, today’s yield indicates a 0.50% hike at their next meeting in 3 weeks. A little more yield on the 3-month would take it up to a 0.75% hike.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  MarcSaver
Odds still 80% for 75 basis point
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
Reply to  MarcSaver
Watch this CNBC video by former Atlanta Fed president Dennis Lockhart:
In the video, Lockhart states that Powell explicitly said he would need a “couple” of CPI reports before changing the pace of rate hikes, and that since only one CPI report will come out before the next meeting, we should all be expecting a 0.75% hike. Watch the video because he actually says this out loud.
Powell not honoring his statement would cause the Fed to lose more “credibility” by once again not standing by their prononcement.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
I don’t go into this with faith in Powell’s integrity.
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It’s not about integrity at this point. It’s about the survival of the institution.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
I have a greater chance of being hit by a meteor than the Fed has of not surviving.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Mish, it would be interesting if you’d sometime discuss the trajectory of bond yields in other recessions, and in particular 1981-1982 because of the inflation component. I realize that bond yields typically decline during recessions, but this time we have the Fed at least saying that they’ll go QT so I’m finding it challenging to think that we’ve hit a peak on Treasury note and bond yields. I’m not arguing against you but conveying some skepticism, which can be challenged without me raising stupid objections.

I should add that I don’t trade bonds and don’t expect to, but watch closely because of the wider implications. So I’m not looking for the day-trader or short-term view as much as the “duration of the recession” view.

Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
QT will not be sales it will be runoff. Curiously, that might explain all this reverse repo crap.
I need to doublecheck my theory before posting it.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
balance sheet went up a smidge per federal reserve for month of june. no runoff yet that i see. might have something to do with the russian war funding……….
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Given that QE targeted the long end, it will take a decade for the runoff. By then, who knows what happens.
Ideally, some revolutionary will end the central banking experience.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb

The “arrow of time” determines both maximum and
minimum values of a trend in the same direction. That’s how I predicted AAA
corporate yields in 1981 (as the RoC in M*Vt approached the prior reverse
trend’s 2-year limit). AAA Corporates yields rose to 15.49%. My prediction for
AAA corporate yields for 1981 was 15.48%.

honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Gold broke down today, double bottom breakdown matter of fact, 1630 target
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Any thoughts about the implications for crypto? Don’t just make it up. Make the case in either direction. If you can’t, “I don’t know” is perfectly acceptable, even laudable.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
CIA creation. for them to move money around the planet for their operations, and also as a primer for the coming Federal Crypto when they outlaw cash. the rest of it is useful idiots that make a few bucks and lose a few bucks for a decade or so. fun stuff though for the mind to grasp. like convincing savages gold is money and not wampum…….
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
The FED is not going to have a crypto currency. That’s absurd. Don’t confuse electronic money with crypto. 90% of money is already in electronic form.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
WHAT!!! I’ve been holding cowrie shells all this ti e! Was wondering why they were not appreciating
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
Good wampum has been appreciating and some has become priceless.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Someone else just made it onto my ignore list. LOL
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I deal with credit, love blockchain as portable ledger, credit score, loan approval in wallet idea…..working with block chain company on this idea using our data right now. Crypto, I own none as of today
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
So, if I bet on this with the TLT, how high do you think it will go? Higher than 154+ (Nov 2021 highs)? Right now at 116.85.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
I think they’re getting a good safe haven bid with the dollar at the moment. I agree the 10 year will outperform shorter maturities as rates are hiked, but if tightening continues beyond July I think yields in general will begin trending up again.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
bond folks sprinted ahead a bit too far me thinks, if .50 raise I see 30 yr rates back under 5
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Riddle me this: The US deliberately prevented Russia from paying bond coupons and that’s a default. But equally the US has stopped paying bond coupons to Russia on the US treasuries they hold – why isn’t that a US default?
It all seems so unfair.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Never thought about that side of it until your post. This is historic, and will reverberate for a very long time.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Because the US owns the agency that determines what constitues a default. Goose that laid golden eggs coming to an end.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
You make a good point, but none of it matters. No one outside of brainwashed war mongers views Russia’s default as an actual default.
PAncho
PAncho
1 year ago
We have bubbles in RE, equity, credit…to add to that, a Fed with a massive balance sheet, low rates, .gov which is bloated and deep debt. Shallow recession, not sure that on tap. Long, I agree.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Wouldn’t it be better to buy the 13 week or 26 week bills? Maybe make a Bond ladder out of them? Thinking out loud.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
75 basis points coming on July 27
If you want the short end, I would wait
Alternatively long end now (or middle now) and short term on July 28
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Mish, thanks for confirming that
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I think they go with .50 as they have some inflation regression happening fast, especially if they cool off crude and get it back to 85-9
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I think that most of that is already priced in.

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