Russia Sticks to Demands. Will Trump Change Peace Deal Proposal?

Russia is no surprise. So, the ball is in Trump’s court.

Now What?

The Wall Street Journal reports Russia Stuck to Its Demands on Ukraine.

For the past four years, Russia has stuck by a single set of demands for ending its war in Ukraine. Now, Moscow is sitting back and reaping the fruits of its strategy, as President Trump presses a peace plan that broadly conforms with its demands.

The latest 28-point document that Trump has championed as a path to ending the war includes some of Russia’s most important conditions. Those terms include giving Russia more land in Ukraine’s east, defanging Ukraine’s military and closing off the path for Kyiv to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

The points in the document—and the uproar they have caused in Europe and Ukraine—bring Russia closer to some of its longest-sought foreign-policy goals of limiting the expansion of NATO while pushing the U.S., Europe and Kyiv further from one another.

Trump said Saturday that he might be open to changes to the plan following criticism from Europe and Kyiv.

“The Russians have remained very consistent,” said Thomas Graham, a distinguished fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “If diplomacy will give them what they want, they’ll take it. Otherwise, they’re prepared to continue fighting on the battlefield.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin said as much in comments to his security council Friday, when he praised the paper as a potential basis for a peace settlement. Trumpeting Russia’s recent battlefield success in eastern Ukraine, he warned that any refusal by Ukraine or its European allies would only prolong the war and pave the way for more Ukrainian losses.

“If Kyiv doesn’t want to discuss the proposals of President Trump, then they and the European warmongers should understand that [their battlefield failures] will inevitably repeat themselves on other key areas of the front,” he said.

“Overall, that’s fine with us, as it leads to achieving the goals of the special military operation by force,” he said, using Russia’s euphemism for its invasion.

“Putin is banking on a resumption of military hostilities,” said Abbas Gallyamov, a former Putin speechwriter who is now a Kremlin critic living abroad. “And with this agreement, Ukraine will emerge defenseless against him.”

Moscow, for example, is likely to back multiple pro-Russian candidates in a Ukrainian election organized under the terms of a peace agreement. Kyiv would be obliged to respond to any violations of electoral laws by such candidates and bar them from participating. Putin could then claim that the requirement for an open vote wasn’t met and use that as a reason to resume the invasion.

Likewise, the new plan says Ukraine must adopt “rules on religious tolerance,” opening the door for activity by the Ukrainian branch of the Russian Orthodox Church. Kyiv has banned the branch, describing it as a front for Moscow’s covert operations and espionage inside Ukraine.

Still, there are various points in the draft that don’t fully embrace Russia’s positions. Moscow has long insisted on a full disarmament of Ukraine’s military, but the deal instead stipulates a reduction in the size of the army to 600,000 troops—some 300,000 fewer than the current estimated number of active duty personnel.

The plan also doesn’t include any restrictions on Ukraine’s development and use of long-range weapons, a priority for Kyiv as it seeks to undermine Russia’s war economy with deep strikes against energy infrastructure and military facilities. Putin has sought to prevent a buildup of such arms by Ukraine, but the plan doesn’t appear to address that.

One-Sided Proposal

This setup was the obvious problem with the Trump’s plan in the first place.

Yesterday, I commented Trump to Revise Ukraine Peace Plan After Huge Wave of Criticism

The deal is not final yet says Trump.

Questions Abound

The deal was about as one-sided as it could get. No doubt, Russia was pleased with it.

Will Russia accept changes? Does Ukraine sill have to agree by Thursday to a deal nobody even knows?

We now have far more questions than answers.

Trump made a fundamental mistake announcing a deal, now backing off after near-universal complaints. He should have consulted someone before announcing a deal. Now he is retreating after one day.

I suspect many will say the deal was purposely bad so revisions will not look as bad. But will Russia accept changes?

Bonus question: Is any Trump deal ever final?

What’s In the Original Proposal?

For details of the previous lopsided deal, please see Trump Peace Plan Requires Ukraine to Cede Donetsk and Luhansk to Russia

Territory for peace or a total surrender?

Europe Lays Down Red Lines on Ukraine

I am of the opinion Europe is meaningless, if not counterproductive.

Nonetheless, let’s discuss the Politico report Europe lays down red lines on Ukraine in rebuke to Trump plan

In a statement following talks on the sidelines of a G20 summit of major economies in South Africa, von der Leyen laid out a series of red lines in response to proposals being put forward by President Donald Trump’s White House. The American blueprint suggests Ukraine should make territorial concessions to Moscow, halve the size of its military and give Washington a 50 percent cut on profits from reconstruction.

“Any credible and sustainable peace plan should first and foremost stop the killing and end the war, while not sowing the seeds for a future conflict,” von der Leyen said in the statement.

According to the Commission president, the EU has three key criteria for any peace deal: “First, borders cannot be changed by force. Second, as a sovereign nation there cannot be limitations on Ukraine’s armed forces that would leave the country vulnerable to future attack and thereby also undermining European security,” she said.

“Third, the centrality of the European Union in securing peace for Ukraine must be fully reflected,” said von der Leyen. “Ukraine must have the freedom and sovereign right to choose its own destiny. They have chosen a European destiny.”

Allies have held crisis talks during the summit in South Africa and EU leaders are due to hold further discussions on Monday during a joint visit to Angola. European Council President António Costa has welcomed U.S. efforts to end the war but warned the current proposal is merely “a basis which will require additional work.”

Red Line Enforcement

Q: How is the EU going to enforce anything?
A: It won’t and can’t

The EU does not have a budget to do anything. France and Italy are fiscal basket cases with no budget to do anything.

Besides, in what amounts to a fundamental flaw in the EU, it takes unanimous vote to do anything not specifically authorized by treaty.

At a minimum, Hungary would not go along. The EU is useless.

Trump’s Idle Threats

Trump has threatened Russia with sanctions multiple times (he backed down), with giving Ukraine long-range-missiles multiple times (he backed down), and with indirect sanctions on China and India over oil (again he backed down).

Is there a point to idle threats in which Putin is no doubt laughing?

So, if Putin will not agree to any changes, what will TACO-Trump, the big paper tiger do?

Here’s a musical tribute.

What Does Putin Have on Trump?

The key question of the day is: What Does Putin Have on Trump? Nothing? Something?

That question has been on my mind for months. Trump has made dozens of threats on Putin this year and backed off every one of them.

Is Trump that much of a paper-tiger blowhard, or is something else in play?

Either is plausible.

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SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
3 months ago

No. He will not and cannot significantly change his demand. The USA and globalists have planned to subjugation and breakup of Russia since 1991. Putin’s saving Russia from the Globalists and installed Jewish Oligarchs only assured this plan would continue. Trump is owned. A mere puppet. A lying ,thieving puppet at that. TPTB in charge may be forced to back off somewhat, due to the shift in balance of power from the West to Russia and the East, but they will not abandon this plan. This will result in continued conflict and an eventual major war between the two sides. This will not end well.

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
3 months ago

“For the past four years, Russia has stuck by a single set of demands for ending its war in Ukraine. Now, Moscow is sitting back and reaping the fruits of its strategy, as President Trump presses a peace plan that broadly conforms with its demands.”

Yes, Russia has stuck by a set of demands actually made even before the broader war started and yet the disinformed, misinformed, brainwashed masses in the West see that ludicrous 28 point piss plan as “broadly conforming” to them…
You even wrote in a previous article that “The deal was about as one-sided as it could get. No doubt, Russia was pleased with it.

No other words to describe this clownshow but: LMAO!

So, if Putin will not agree to any changes, what will TACO-Trump, the big paper tiger do?

Russia will never agree even to the utterly preposterous original piss plan, period.

The key question of the day is: What Does Putin Have on Trump? Nothing? Something?

What Putin has on Trump is having won the war.
The West has no money, no weapons and no men to send to be destroyed in Ukraine anymore.

Is Trump that much of a paper-tiger blowhard, or is something else in play?.

I will repeat here once again what an ex-commander of the VDV (the Russian equivalent of the US airborn divisions) said on Russian TV: one of the biggest military lessons from the war in Ukraine is that NATO greatly underestimated Russia and Russia overestimated NATO. Against a peer adversary, NATO is a paper tiger. And NATO without the US is a wet paper tiger.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
3 months ago

If Zelinski doesn’t accept a reasonable plan, it’s time for the US to leave the mess and get out of NATO. Europe can rearm and handle Putin. I don’t think Russia is interested in invading Europe; however, the Europeans may have an eye on Russia’s natural wealth, particularly energy. When economies fail, politicians look for war as a way out and to cement their power.

InMyRoom
InMyRoom
3 months ago

The Russian trolls are out in force.

TEF
TEF
3 months ago

Europe has offered a 24 point counterproposal to the 28 point Russian-Kushner proposal. Ivan Alekseyev Finance Minister from Yakutia ( northeastern Russia) announced the suspension of payments to Russian special operation combat veterans because of a lack of budgetary funds …

Euromario
Euromario
3 months ago
Reply to  TEF

Whay it’s relevant to this discussion?

Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
3 months ago

What Trump is trying to do is nearly impossible to discern as he says nonsense most of the time. One possibility is he is trying to get the US out of the war. If Ukraine refuses the terms, then he can say OK we tried now we are pulling out all support.

But he has most of the uniparty against him, including 80% or more of GOP traitors in Congress

The horrifying traitors McConnell and Pompeo wrote twitter posts staunchly resisting any giving in to Putin. But it is not giving in. It is merely recognizing reality. It was a strategic blunder of the most egregious kind to make this war on Russia, probably at the behest of the UK powers. Now they are losing badly as Russia is more rapidly advancing all along the front lines and Ukraine is on the verge of collapsing politically and militarily

I wouldnt even doubt that Trump and his family have been threatened if they remove support

So yes he will change the plan from one day to the next especially as for whatever reason he succumbs to pressure from our enemies in Europe. The countries that now have total censorship and no longer allow fair elections anywhere

InMyRoom
InMyRoom
3 months ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

Wow.
No clue where you got all of your ideas, but they are not correct.

Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
3 months ago
Reply to  InMyRoom

I keep an open mind on every issue. I place the probability of each and every item above at over 95%. What is not correct?

Frosty
Frosty
3 months ago

Trump had some big resort development deals going with Putin pivoting around the Sochi Olympic Games and the Ukraine situation derailed them. The waterfront in Sochi is spectacular and in close proximity to fantastic skiing. The missed development opportunity is burning both of them.

Malagna spends more time with Putin than Trump… Trump and Putin are closer than most think. How do you think those hot, young, blond Russian strippers in Palm Beach get recruited and brought into the country?

>>>

Igor
Igor
3 months ago

Now any reasonable person needs to ask himself a question. Is Putin going to demilitarize Russia economy which in last 3 years was completely transformed into war economy if peace deal is signed? Can pig fly, same person can ask, curious mind.

Ending war always bring all sort of reflection, review and eventually a need to answer lots of tough question and also is a risk to people vested in war effort.
This is same like in USA, we all want to get out of all those foreign wars but there is plenty of vested interest to keep it going. Do you think Russia is different here?

Lets be real Putin is on path to rebuild great Russia. His most desirable and easiest goal (Kazakhstan and all Asian republic) is unfortunately (for him) closed as China will not allow war on its border (again Kazakhstan). So only expansion area is European front.
First step after Ukraine is getting land access to Moldova border to start annexation there (Odessa and rest of Black sea shore currently still part of Ukraine).
Next, maybe not Putin but whoever is after him will continue testing NATO and plan to take back Lituania, Estonia, Latvia.

Let me repeat again. My take is Ukraine can blame only themselves for this mess. There was time in 1990s when Russia was weak. This was time to escape and any country with ounce of common sense was seeking NATO/EU membership. When Czech, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania etc were actively seeking NATO membership, Ukraine was foolishly considering if this is in their best effort or maybe better is to stay close to Russia. Now they know. Some mistakes are just too serious and cannot be reversed,

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago
Reply to  Igor

Russia will sidle up to Transnistria after they take Odessa. They’ll leave the Baltics alone as long as they act right.

Igor
Igor
3 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Unless Putin decides they want land path to Kaliningrad. I am pretty sure there are plan to take this back

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago
Reply to  Igor

Sure, a path maybe.

Stu
Stu
3 months ago
Reply to  Igor

– Ukraine was foolishly considering if this is in their best effort or maybe better is to stay close to Russia. Now they know. Some mistakes are just too serious and cannot be reversed
> Ukraine had to know that Russia wanted key pieces of their land, and land back that they felt was stolen, right or wrongly. Appears the U.S. was interfering in some things, but who really knows for sure and for what?

>> Ukraine also had to know that they couldn’t even come close to defeating Russia. Not a Prayer of a chance of any kind whatsoever. They were relying 100% on NATO! The only thing that makes sense of the debacle that it is… once squashed by clearer heads and minds, they were toast. They have fought and lost People, Infrastructure, Money, Land, Etc. They got nothing!

Igor
Igor
3 months ago
Reply to  Stu

What makes a nation. Well, willingness to fight for independence. Of course Ukraine cannot defeat Russia. But it can try to defend and wait out Russia until they leave. Small chance right now but if you don’t try for sure you will loose. History doesn’t stop today but will continue. Maybe now Ukraine is loosing but in some point in the future there will be another window of opportunity. Think all those eastern Europe countries stuck in soviet union after Yalta peace in 1945. Well 50 years later they escaped when time was right.

Trump cannot understand it as he only look at this from trade perspective. He would trade his mother if he saw money in it. So he is not able to comprehend that some countries are willing to sacrifice to remain independent.
Now if you are thinking what future is for Ukraine if they are defeated. Do some research on Donetsk, check if people there are living better live now after 11 years since annexation. Not really, matushka Rossiya only taken but is not giving. So no wonder there was no effort whatsoever to invest in this region, make those people happy that they are in Russia. Nope.
Plus Putin will install some puppet like in Belarus. Again, check this place, you will find it is not best place to live in the world. So who can blame Ukraine that they try, even if it means loosing some people or infrastructure.

Igor
Igor
3 months ago
Reply to  Stu

Unless Putin decides they want land path to Kaliningrad. I am pretty sure there are plan to take this back

Euromario
Euromario
3 months ago
Reply to  Stu

Non of you guys have a slightest clue what Ukraine is!!!! I’ll give you an old joke about those people, they are called khokhols. Some think it’s derogatory ……..

So it goes………..where khokhol fish with the fishing rod, Jewish guy has no chance with the net…….

Sometimes I’m tired to read all this BS of people without any knowledge of the matter. That includes you Mish, not economics but when it’s about geopolitics and especially Eastern Europe. I’m sorry I hope written above made some sense. English is not my mothers tongue.

Commenter
Commenter
3 months ago
Reply to  Stu

The West truly thought Putin would be overthrown from within. They were wrong.Instead they made Putin the most popular and competent-looking leader in the world and now Russia is stronger than its been in 75 years.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
3 months ago
Ted.Starchild
Ted.Starchild
3 months ago

Ironically, I agree with Russian trolls here.
Russia do not seek compromise peace deal.
This ‘peace plan’ is deliberately packed with demands unacceptable to any Ukrainian politician to ensure no one in Ukraine could accept this deal. If ‘deal’ would be more reasonable that someone in Ukrainian political circles might try to push Zelensky aside. Unlikely, but not impossible.

Russian main goal from 2013 to this day is clear and unchanged: to overthrow popular Ukrainian government by any means necessary and to regain control of ALL Ukraine. Control may be indirect, but Ukraine can not be independent from Moscow.

Now Ukrainian future depends on European countries. Do they have enough financial resources to keep Ukraine afloat? Definitely. Do they have enough resolve to help? Well… that is big question of the day.

peter
peter
3 months ago
Reply to  Ted.Starchild

Ahh yes Trump the cunning trickster who plays 8-D chess

TEF
TEF
3 months ago

Mish, as Jamie Dimon referenced about the private/shadow banking debts currently going bad in this 1982-2026 13/32 of 33 year :: x/2.5x asset-debt macroeconomic cycle; you’ve got a lot of active Russian bot cockroaches coming from the internet toilet bowl … with a lot more of those ornery little critters lurking down there … Their interest just shows how watched and important your blog is …. Keep at it …

Lefteris
Lefteris
3 months ago

There’s an old Greek saying: “Two donkeys were fighting in someone else’s barn”.
Midterms are coming and Trump wants a deal that will stop the war, any deal that can “satisfy most voters”. I don’t envy him, politically. What would you do Mish?
i) Siding with Ukraine means more war and European/US involvement, and siding with neocons/military complex.
ii) Siding with Russia means lost votes and then you’ll have to fight the military complex.
iii) China’s response in either choice?
By the way, this “Taco” business is getting old, considering Obama’s billions $ cash drop to Iran. Talking about surrender to a country which, back then, was a military minion with half their country wanting the Ayatollah to disappear (mostly the former leftists who helped elect a brutal theocracy).

J. Traveler
J. Traveler
3 months ago

This will be very BAD for Ukraine and Europe . . .

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
3 months ago

The critical question for Congress and the eventual impeachment panel in the House is: how could any American President even give those 28-point Russian surrender terms more than a second of consideration? Either Trump is the most un-American President who has ever occupied the Oval Office, or Putin has compromising information on the President and is using it to blackmail the President of the United States.

BobC
BobC
3 months ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

Impeachment panel? More of that nonsense? Spare us.
It was tried twice and failed miserably.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
3 months ago
Reply to  BobC

Yeah because you can’t get a super majority to convict NOT because Trump is innocent.

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

I don’t think there’s ever been an American president who was innocent.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
3 months ago
The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
3 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

So what? Russian oil production is down 30+% and falling from daily Ukranian bombing of their refineries, there’s domestic scarcities and with sanctions they can’t export much even if they didn’t have those problems.

Commenter
Commenter
3 months ago

No it’s not. Will you ever stop listening to the people who lied you into this catastrophe in the first place?

Stu
Stu
3 months ago

At this point, how is Ukraine even in a position, to have a say about anything? The “Peace Proposal” put forth by Putin, should be enacted immediately! The U.S. gives No Money, Weapons, or anything to allow Ukraine to cause more trouble than they already have. For not Annihilating Ukraine, Russia get whatever land they have requested. Be happy it’s not more…

From this point forward Ukraine is on their own, in Peace, to figure out how to pull their Country back together. Perhaps NATO can provide some funds to assist them, but nothing else. If Russia reneges, then Ukraine immediately gets into NATO, and things change for the worse, but Russia is then allowing themselves to be a target. For what I don’t know, but they will be one moving forward.

I see no other choices at this point…

CJW
CJW
3 months ago

Accept this deal or you are on your own. Says DJT

This is Trump’s idea of the Art of the deal.

He is really putting his best foot forward for that Nobel Peace Prize.

yes Putin definitely has some dirt on Trump.

Probably stuff that would make Epstein blush.

Stu
Stu
3 months ago
Reply to  CJW

Trump had zero leverage, after assisting in the debacle, and not stamping it out from the start IMO.

Tezza
Tezza
3 months ago

Putin has shown restraint. Russia could turn Ukraine into a 17th century country in a matter of days by devastating Ukraine’s energy infrastructure and turning Kiev into a parking lot, causing a massive dislocation of refugees into Europe. President Trump has little or no leverage, other than somehow getting Ukraine to agree to what essentially amounts to an unconditional surrender, or something slightly better than that. If Trump comes in heavy handed, giving Ukraine long distance missiles, Putin will put the hammer down and it won’t be pretty for Ukraine or the rest of Europe.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
3 months ago
Reply to  Tezza

Absurd… Restraint is not invading sovereign states

jhrodd
jhrodd
3 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

After the US orchestrated coup in 2014 Ukraine lost their sovereignty and became a NATO proxy.

Ted.Starchild
Ted.Starchild
3 months ago
Reply to  Tezza

How Russia could do anything like that?
Russia attempted use its air force in first days of war, but lost 17 aircraft in just first 24 hours of invasion and pulled its aircraft back after first week or two. Now their aircraft is limited to dropping glide bombs from safety of Russian-controlled airspace.

For last 3+ years they are using drones and cruise missiles to conduct ‘strategic bombardment’ of Ukrainian energy infrastructure, but Ukraine is big country and drones + cruise missiles are very limited (and very expensive) means to deliver explosives.

InMyRoom
InMyRoom
3 months ago
Reply to  Ted.Starchild

Russia bombs a lot of apartments, schools, and other civilian buildings.

J_Schneider
J_Schneider
3 months ago

European Union as organization needs the war to go on as the war gives legitimacy to current European Commission and keeps the circus called EU under one roof. If the war ends businesses demand that cheap energy is allowed to be imported from Russia and exports allowed to Russia. Voters will ask Why did you start war which you couldn’t win? The same goes for Macron, Merz and others. Voters will demand more funding for social programs, not for buying new weapons. Another aspect – most of Ukrainians don’t agree to peace against territorial concessions. They will keep fighting. Red Army took western Ukraine in 1944 and nationalists’ guerilla war ended in 1952. It is the nature of real Ukrainians. None of this is Trump’s business and he wants out of this madhouse which he inheritied and which doesn’t fit into his Monroe-like geopolitical doctrine.

Either he gets out through a multiparty peace deal or he just says I have told you so and you didn’t listen when Ukraine army and state collapses later on.

Trump is not a paper tiger in this case, he knows the rules of the game between nuclear powers. Luckily. How many times Putin stressed that he would push the red button? Several times. His famous quote is What the world would be without Russian nation? Yes, this is not a sign of strength but that’s what it is. And Putin is not a guy who draws lines in sand and is not able/ready to defend them. Just the opposite. Ukrainians have learnt it hard way.

Neal
Neal
3 months ago
Reply to  J_Schneider

Russia interests are not in western Ukraine other than they not be a NATO base. Now in the eastern parts of Ukraine there is a more ambivalent attitude to Russia and in the Donbas and other parts its pro Russia with a hatred for Ukraine due to 11 years of Ukrainian attacks. The people of the Donbas chose freedom from Ukraine and then the 4 nations voted to join Russia.
Just because the EU chose not to recognise the right of people to self determination then they shouldn’t be surprised when those same people and their Russian ally tells the EU to FOAD

The Truth can be painful
The Truth can be painful
3 months ago
Reply to  Neal

This is glossed over by the West.

The 4 republics declared independence in accordance with international law and subsequently chose to be part of Russia. The area is overwhelmingly Russian, speaks Russian, is orthodox Christian and so on. And Zelensky stated his goal to wipe them out. Let them be Russian and stay out of it. It is sort of a Civil war.

So…The West did this in Kosovo, why can’t the East do this in the Donbas?

Putin has shown restraint. This could have been a lot worse for Ukraine. The hardliners in Russia think Putin has been too lenient.

Drones are cheap, and Russia has many of them. Missiles…well, Putin certainly is not paying the Northrop Grumman or Lockheed price…you can be sure of that.

The deal proposed by Trump is reflects the painful truths on the ground. If the West doesn’t want Russia to take Odessa, cut your losses and take the deal.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
3 months ago

Continuing my thought from the previous Mish post on Russia, so that we all keep in mind just who is playing with us here in the comments:

Twitter implemented location tags on accounts and revealed that dozens of the most followed MAGA influencers are based outside the US in countries like Russia and Nigeria.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-maga-influencers-accidentally-unmasked-as-foreign-actors/

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
3 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

They’re just doing the jobs that Americans don’t want to.

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
3 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

TPTB lie you into wars all the time. You believe their server logs??

Am done reading your comments.

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TEF
TEF
3 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Phil in CT ,,, reviewed the link. Thank you. very insightful. When there are more than 2-10 thumb ups or thumb downs in the comments section strongly favoring the Russian position, Russian Bots very well could be in play …

After the Cuban missile crisis, their proxy wars killing US troops, their cold war and current threats of nuclear annihilation, and their exact lying and breaching the 1994 Budapest accords, who would belief that lopsided Up/Down commentary, It’s very likely a tell By the way, the Russian people are great; their current Stalin-like leadership needs the boot with a renewal of global prosperity and free trade for all nations.

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago
Reply to  TEF

You guys probably think I’m a “bot”. American, born and raised. Never been to Russia. Voted for presidential candidates from both major parties (and a few write-ins). You can’t even conceive of the fact that there are Americans who see through American bullshit, recognize American plots and disbelieve the neocon/neolib official narrative in state-affiliated media (what you guys consider “reputable”).

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The Truth can be painful
The Truth can be painful
3 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

I see through the BS! And I am American born and raised like you.

Please Trump, stay out of this!

Leave the deal in its initial form and WALK AWAY from it.

Jon L
Jon L
3 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Certainly explains some of the nonsense on here. I get the pro trump stuff but there is an awful lot of pro Russian comments.

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago
Reply to  Jon L

What nonsense? People having a different opinion? If your only thought upon hearing someone disagree with you is “they must be Russian”, consider the possibility that you might be insane.

Jon L
Jon L
3 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

This is what chatgpt says about comments on this specific article. Given the mix of evidence, I would judge there is a moderate to high likelihood (let’s say plausibly 30-60%) that at least some of the comments are from paid/coordinated pro-Russian actors (bots, troll-farm accounts) or at least strategically amplified messages.

Augustine
Augustine
3 months ago

Why would the winning side, Russia, accept a peace proposal by the losing side, the US, that’s not unconditional surrender?

If the Donald would really like the war to end, all that he had to do was to stop sending intelligence, weapons, and the personnel to man such weapons to the Ukraine.

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TEF
TEF
3 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

Obvious Russian Bot comment… with identifying corroborating up/down pro Russian Vote … Stupid … Be more subtle or be fired by your bosses…

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
3 months ago

This is what “defensive” NATO spends your tax dollars on:

https://odysee.com/@LandDestroyer:8/us-plans-for-china-blockade-continue:8

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
3 months ago
Reply to  Ed Homonym

@ Mish. Please watch.

Don’t turn to WSJ and other bullshit for your info. Turn to bloggers like YOU who analyze (other subjects) independently and honestly. It saves you time and gives you better info.

El Capitan
El Capitan
3 months ago

Yes. He will

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 months ago

Unless the west is willing to go full proxy war with Russia by giving Ukraine all the advanced weapons with no restrictions Russia cannot lose if they are willing to suffer through to the end. Afghanistan, Vietnam, and others show that

So take what you can get might be a plan

Toutatis
Toutatis
3 months ago
Reply to  Anonymous

The “advanced weapons” already in use have proven largely ineffective after a certain period of operation. Providing new ones will only allow the Russians to learn how to neutralize them, and they will likely pass this information on to other enemies of the US.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
3 months ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Exactly. Maybe Putin has NOTHING on Trump and knows a bluff when he sees one. Trump.can threaten all he wants, but the US can’t do squat about the situation but cajole/threaten Ukraine to agree to Russia’s terms or lose anyways.

And when it comes to Mish’s comment “the deal was about as one-sided as it could get”, when you’re losing, and have been for years, and it is just a matter of time (and a few hundred thousand more DEAD on top of the 1M plus already dead) before you lose the war, expect proposed deals to be lopsided.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
3 months ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

You do not seem to understand that the nations that border Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe, which the Soviet Union previously occupied for 40+ years, cannot accept a Russian territorial victory in Ukraine.

BobC
BobC
3 months ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

Then those nations can send troops and weapons.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
3 months ago
Reply to  BobC

Those troops can wear these helmets.

https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/11/saturday.html?m=1

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
3 months ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

You mean like Hungary? Or the barking chihuahuas Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania? Either way, it doesn’t matter. The territorial victory is baked into the cake. It’s happening regardless.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
3 months ago

The current document is “peace in our time”. As much as I hate war better to fight for Ukrainian victory than fight another world war in Europe. Way to much Russian propaganda on this matter, and Ukraine is winning the war by destroying Russia’s one strength, namely petroleum.

JK
JK
3 months ago

You have no idea what is going on. Typical brainwashed, uninformed American and you like it that way.

NATO should not be at Russia’s borders threatening them. The Russians spoke first then finally had to lay down the hammer. Either accept the peace or Russia takes all and we look more pathetic than we currently present.

Zelensky and his tribe of thieves will flee the country just like that guy did recently who fled to Israel with tens of millions. The corruption is out of control and you can bet there are American and European’s feeding at the trough.

The only reason Trump is making peace is because he lost the recent November elections and has become a Panmerican. Already, the MAGA movement is turning against as well as half the MAGA base like me. Trump is MIGA or Make Israel Great Again and we’re on him! Especially the younger generations. Thanks God you Boomers are dying off after what you did to this country with your foolish wars. Unfortunately, I’m one of you, but time claims all villains so the world can breath easier.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
3 months ago
Reply to  JK

Check out The Enforcer youtube podcast. As I said: Too much Russian propaganda.

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

McCain, is that you? Say hi to Cheney down there.

EADOman
EADOman
3 months ago

….Ukraine is winning the war…. That’s amusing

Victoria "the Hutt" Nuland
Victoria “the Hutt” Nuland
3 months ago
Reply to  EADOman

These two Ukrainians, Mindich and Tsukerman, already won the war. You can’t deny it. Zelensky too. And the ex-Ukrainian Igor Kolomoyskyi. One after the other, they’re cashing out their winnings and heading to Israel. Zelensky will turn off the lights on the way out.

x.com/tatianyc27/status/1989525584721186855

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

Agree. I just wouldn’t call them Ukrainians.

Avery2
Avery2
3 months ago

Are you posting from Ypres, The Somme or Verdun?

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
3 months ago
Reply to  Avery2
Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

Who is this f***ing retard from Liberty University?

TEF
TEF
3 months ago

More Russian Bot negative votes … 12 thumbs down !!! … hey Bot, be more subtle in your American influencing …or be Siberia-bound by the FSB … Love to the Russian people … and firing- squad Collapse to the reanimated Soviet sh@tsh&w…

Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago

Trump’s deal was obviously unacceptable to Russia. It didn’t acknowledge Zaporozhye and Kherson as fully Russian. It disallowed stationing troops in the western portions of the Donbas (part of Russia). It only acknowledged de facto Russian control of the incorporated regions, not de jure, implying that they would be wrested from Russia in the future. It stipulated confiscation of $100B of Russian assets. It called for a peace council headed by Trump and a western security force for which Russia was supposed to pay. In short, it was ridiculous. So Russia fights on. Ukraine will pay for their dithering by losing more men and territory, probably Odessa and Kharkov.

Last edited 3 months ago by Sentient
notaname
notaname
3 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Does this mean a landlocked Ukraine?

Is Russia past the “minor incursion” line yet?

Last edited 3 months ago by notaname
Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago
Reply to  notaname

Yes, I think Ukraine will have to take the blue off of its flag. They F’d around and found out. . There’s a lesson. Don’t let the CIA build a dozen bases in your country – adjacent to a heavily nuclear-armed country, and don’t count on the US for your defense. It’s all explained in this short video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQCb3qrBpo

BenW
BenW
3 months ago

“I am of the opinion Europe is meaningless, if not counterproductive.”

I agree. It’s their backyard, & they appear to be reluctant to give Ukraine meaningful security guarantees outside of NATO membership. They could get together & put forth a meaningful plan that clearly tilts towards Ukraine, but they don’t appear to be falling all over themselves to do so.

But if we are correct, in my opinion, any final agreement is going to tilt towards Russia. That’s not a popular opinion, but it’s a logical conclusion from your point.

Mark Tichenor
Mark Tichenor
3 months ago

Just try to think like a Russian. As a Russian, you know what the issues are for you from, say, the time of Yeltsin and progressing forward. You know the Kiev thinking and events of pre and post 2014. You know what the issues were for those Russians living in the Donbas regions.

You know why you had to reclaim Crimea. You know why you eventually had to assert a more formal Special Military Operation begin to “settle” this lingering dispute and condition.

Why, why, would you, as a Russian and Russian leader, accept less then a complete surrender (formal or de facto) at this point in time give all the Russian lives you have risked and lost?

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
3 months ago
Reply to  Mark Tichenor

I tried thinking like a Russian, once. All that happened is I beat my wife and passed out.

Mark Tichenor
Mark Tichenor
3 months ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Point is, El, At this point in time, after all the resource, blood and money spent, you’d not quit until you secure what you want and must and force your enemy to surrender. There is nothing else,short of an expanded war (the US/NATO directly war with Russia)….for what? We can buy Pig Iron from Russia as well as Ukraine.

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
3 months ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Before or after kicking NATO’s ass..?

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
3 months ago

>> The deal was about as one-sided as it could get. No doubt, Russia was pleased with it.

I doubt it.

>> am of the opinion Europe is meaningless

Yes. To reinforce this, please look up George Kennan’s reasons for European unity and look up what Lord Ismay said about the purpose of NATO.

Last edited 3 months ago by Ed Homonym
Jon L
Jon L
3 months ago

I think that the timing of the Epstein file release is not a coincidence (i.e. Putin may lose his leverage soon). Of course absolutely no evidence for this at all but it would explain the sudden urgence. The other pending deadline is this year’s Nobel submission date (in Jan).

Apparently there are only 8 foreign refineries using Russian oil so Trump doesn’t even need to threaten China, India and Turkey – he simply needs to sanction those 8 companies. Absolutely no sign of anything.

BenW
BenW
3 months ago
Reply to  Jon L

More Epstein conspiracies. When will they ever end?

njbr
njbr
3 months ago
Reply to  BenW

it’ll end when the files are released

have you ever stopped to wonder why he’s killing his ratings and credibility in order to prevent the release

No?

not surprising

Last edited 3 months ago by njbr
Sentient
Sentient
3 months ago
Reply to  njbr

He’s following bibi’s orders, as usual.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 months ago
Reply to  njbr

It won’t end when the files are released. Someone will always claim there were more that were held back. It’s taken on a life of its own now.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
3 months ago
Reply to  BenW

When daddy pig is trussed up on a platter with an apple in his mouth.

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
3 months ago
Reply to  Jon L

>> Putin may lose his leverage soon

FFS! PUTIN AMD RUSSIA HAVE ZERO LEVERAGE OVER THE POTUS.

Have you not seen how well the media succeeds in controlling perceptions? If the D half says “the laptop doesn’t exist”, then half the nation believes it. If they say “okay, the laptop does exist but was a Russian plot!”, then half the nation believes that. If the R half says “trump is fighting the deep state and wants to end the wars”, half the nation believes that. If all the media says “Venezuela is a communist shit hole and USA policy had nothing to do with it”, then almost the whole nation believes that.

Our political system is full of scandal and hardly any of them pay a price. Just an occasional sacrifice of low-level assets, people too old to stand trial, or people gone off the reservation.

You’re repeating one more false narrative. It’s bullshit. Just stop already.

And read the goddamn 17-agency “assessments” about alleged russian political interference. There’s nothing in it but pretend guesswork!

Oligarchs and stakeholders from other countries have substantial influence over USA politics. Russia is somewhere down the list, far enough to not deserve mention.

Last edited 3 months ago by Ed Homonym
Jon L
Jon L
3 months ago
Reply to  Ed Homonym

So 17 agencies concluded there was interference but I am the idiot. OK.

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
3 months ago
Reply to  Jon L

It’s a political report. There’s almost no substance to it. It’s less convincing than when Rumsfeld claimed to know where there’s WMD and waved his hand around a map.

Yes, if you trust the secret police, you are an idiot. So don’t be an idiot. Read their reports for yourself.

Last edited 3 months ago by Ed Homonym
Avery2
Avery2
3 months ago
Reply to  Jon L

The Nobel prize originally was a diversion itself, from what the namesake was mostly known for at the time.

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