Second Thoughts: A Majority of UK Citizens Would Vote to Reverse Brexit

A YouGov poll shows 58 percent of the UK would vote to reverse Brexit and rejoin the EU. The poll is seriously flawed.

YouGov poll on Brexit via the Guardian

Britons Who Want to Rejoin EU at Highest Levels Since 2016

The Guardian reports Britons Who Want to Rejoin EU at Highest Levels Since 2016.

Seven years after the Brexit referendum, the proportion of Britons who want to rejoin the EU has climbed to its highest levels since 2016, according to a new survey. Data from YouGov’s latest Brexit tracker survey found that, excluding those who said they would not vote or did not know, 58.2% of people in Britain would now vote to rejoin.

Asked whether they would vote to remain in the EU or leave in a Brexit-style referendum, 62% of respondents in France and 63% in Italy, which are traditionally among the least enthusiastic EU member states, said they would vote to stay.

Elsewhere in the EU, 87% of respondents in Spain said last month they would choose to remain, along with 79% in Denmark, 70% in Sweden and 69% in Germany.

Implied Implications

  • The EU would not let the UK back in unless it scrapped the British Pound and went on the Euro.
  • The UK would not get the rebate deal it had before. The UK rebate was a financial mechanism that reduced the United Kingdom’s contribution to the EU budget since 1985. This was a very sore point to nearly every country in the EU. The EU would not get the same deal if it rejoined.
  • The UK would have to start funding things like an EU army.
  • If the EU ever were to vote for comingled budgets, the UK would start funding projects in 27 nations and would be responsible for bank failures in those nations.

Flawed Poll

I do not doubt the poll, as is, but how many understand the implications?

If these implications were stated in the poll, what would the results have been?

With no explanation of the implications, the poll is fatally flawed.

Brexit Was a Good Choice

The problem was not Brexit but rather the failure of the Boris Johnson administration to take advantage of the new opportunities.

Contrary to Popular Myth, Brexit Was Not a Bad Decision and Did Not Fail

Last month, a friend of mine emailed an article on Brexit by The Atlantic, ‘We’re All Worse Off’ (paywalled).

Perception vs Reality

I responded to my friend that failure is a perception because Britain did none of the things to make Brexit work.

Consider UK policy after Brexit: No tax cuts, no trade deal with the US or China, No dismantling of inept EU rules and regulations, no progress on things like artificial intelligence or energy.  This is not a failure of Brexit, it is a failure to take advantage of things possible without being tied to the EU. 

A few days after I emailed my friend, Eurointelligence, admitted in an article called “Sunrise” that my view is the correct one.

Sunrise 

It was always nonsensical to replace the entire volume of some 4000 EU regulations on a single day. The majority are unproblematic. The intellectual and operational difficulty with Brexit is to select specific areas where regulatory divergence makes sense. We all know about the costs of Brexit are transparent, but the opportunities are hidden, and dependent on how well this divergence is managed.

As Joël Reland from the UK in a Changing Europe think tank explains, there are still 600 EU regulations that will be changed. What will also change is the end of the supremacy of EU law by the end of the year. UK courts will then be able to override EU law. We expect this alone to lead to significant divergence down the road. The government has also given itself fast-track authority on future changes.

But the most important aspect is that this reform is now going hand-in-hand with another initiative that is running in parallel: the pro-innovation regulation of technologies review, led by Patrick Vallance, the UK government’s former chief scientific adviser. The review is finally doing what we had urged the UK government to do right after Brexit, which is spot high-tech opportunities the EU is missing. Artificial intelligence is an obvious one, as is medical research and many other tech developments held back by the EU’s antediluvian data protection regulation. On high-tech industries, the EU has entered a regulatory death spiral, focused entirely on consumers since the EU companies no longer have skin in the game.

The EU’s problems with these industries has been building up over the last 20 years. Innovation and entrepreneurship have fallen down the ladder of political priorities. We also have doubts about the efficacy of Horizon EU, the EU’s research programme. It is large in volume, and a bureaucratic nightmare, according to this survey. But apart from the cumbersome application process, one has to question why it is that the race for several cutting-edge 21st century technologies is nowadays mainly between the US and China. 

We don’t see the UK so much as a threat to the EU in the way Emmanuel Macron and Michel Barnier had imagined, through low-wage sweatshops. The UK will simply exploit areas the EU has left to others.

We expect the UK’s shift in technology focus and regulations to persist under a Labour government. Labour will reap the benefits from what now appears the start of a post-Brexit strategy. Once you have spotted opportunities for investment and drawn in investors, you are not going to reverse to a status-quo ante.

So UK citizens want back in. It’s a foolish position.

Fortunately, the EU would not let the UK back in on terms the UK would accept. These polls are thus meaningless fodder.

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Call_Me_Al
Call_Me_Al
2 years ago

Really no surprise — life for the average bloke has grown noticeably more difficult over the past few years so the majority would opt to change things in an effort to improve their lot. It matters not if said change would actually lead to a positive outcome.

Next they should ask about remaining in NATO.

rinky stingpiece
rinky stingpiece
2 years ago

These sorts of polls are completely fake and designed to steer opinion via news articles, not to report it.

The total and persistent assault on Brexit by the regime or blob, or whatever you want to call it – entrenched London lefty middle-class naive self-interest as done everything in its power to resist and sabotage Brexit… yet they fail to face some uncomfortable complications to their aspirations…

The EU is broke… it is an incessant and increasingly overt sponge of taxpayer money, and nobody in or out of the EU is going to enjoy the constant mugging for cash to fund the lavish lifestyles of the politerati.

The process of joining, never mind trying to generate another expensive referendum (presumably sometime in 2025, in the depths of a recession), would be so slow, as to potentially fail due to the EU visibly disintegrating, as dissent across the EU citizenry towards the morons that populate the highest cadres of Eurocrat aristocracy… you might end up with a hilarious irony of the UK joining just as Germany, Poland, Sweden, Hungary, Denmark, Austria, and Italy, leave…

Here’s another spanner in the works, the UK has now joined CPTPP, which is a rival to the EU, and not an unprofitable one, like the EU. It is unlikely that the UK could be a member of both organisations, because of the trade and competition implications. So given the amount of investment that is emerging over the course of the next 10 years of trying to get the UK back into the failing EU on terrible terms that would be intolerable to most British – I mean giving up the oldest reserve currency and the extra fleecing in that transition that Irish can tell you about… surrendering the British military to the feeble French and grotesque Germans, powers that could never win the contest of cultures any other way but by surrender.
Then footing the bill for the profilgate mediterraneans with all the extra tax that that would entail?

People might moan about the current mismanagement of the UK economy, but they would wail and writhe in agony at what would be done to them by being dragged back into that pit of malfeasant economic ordure.

We saw the opportunistic lurch towards police state statism in the EU, and even infecting Australia, Canada, and New Zealand; this kind of cultural excrement is completely alien to the freedom-loving archipelago in the Atlantic, that we still possess, and only the most negative terrified imbeciles would hand that over to the Eurobominable Snowmen and their impending long economic winter.

ooe
ooe
2 years ago

Why would they not? Boris & company promised : that you could eat to your heart’s content and still look like Heidi Klum.
They promised: 1) less immigration -we have the highest immigration on record 2) more money for the NHS-never happended. you have hospitals that are falling apart and he raised taxes to …fund the NHS; New trade agreements with the US and other countries that never materialized.
We the hightest inflation among the G7 ; 8.7 vs 4.00 in the US ;and 6 to 7 per cent in the EU.
The British thought that the EU was a buffet that you could pick and choose what you wanted from it. If it comes back, the UK will never become the sweat shop of the Eu ever.

joedidee
joedidee
2 years ago

from what I hear, the UK is now run by foreigners
so people no longer have voice
given fake covid lockdowns
the socialist state of UK no longer provides to those who don’t have proper social media score
it’s worse in EU
but hey, if they people want socialism then they deserve to get it

shamrockva
shamrockva
2 years ago

“The problem was not Brexit but rather the failure of the Boris Johnson administration to take advantage of the new opportunities”

Did you really think that would happen? If the brits are relying on the actions of politicians for brexit to succeed I would recommend they don’t hold their breath.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago

Remember this little speech from Nigel “hubris” Farage? Nigel said that no trade deal was better than the current rotten deal. Well I guess UK people want a better deal now after all….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzvbJrWx1s

Smart money saw the disaster this would be and profited accordingly but I’m too lazy to look up the links.

No mention of the BOE rising rates 50 basis points and the out of control inflation 8.7% in UK? I hope there is a follow up post.

Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

I miss Nigel. That man could RANT.

jroyston
jroyston
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

UK people want deals plural. Unfortunately we haven`t got any.
Smart money:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/pound-to-surge-as-bankers-admit-they-were-wrong-on-uk-economy/ar-AA1aXwkJ?li=AAJsPCA#image=1
Inflation has nothing to do with Brexit. Lockdowns stopped the economy. We are approximately 80% services. We sent our manufacturing and farming abroad which became a problem in/after lockdowns being an island. Govt paid people not to produce. Print money and don`t increase productivity and you get inflation. It`s supply based inflation. Interest rate increases slow down/stall/collapse economies.
The reason Nigel Farage is/was popular is the same reason as Trump. It`s not the person. It`s the fact the other politicians are so bad that they become popular…

Micheal Engel
2 years ago

1) UK left the EU sausage. UK 3M @ 5.3% strengthen the sterling, divert money
to UK instead of US gov roach motel.
2) When Bakhmut sausage factory closed Prigozhin lost his job. Vagner pledged
loyalty to Putin. Putin became stronger after his competition was eliminated.
Winter 2024 is on within 5M,

Micheal Engel
2 years ago
Reply to  Micheal Engel

Mish, 5min Edit : Putin, Shi and Biden ==> eliminated the competition.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago

Unlike her namesake, minus one, Queen Liz #2 did a splendid job of managing the decline of the British empire. I expect her idiot son will similarly manage the end of ‘great Britain,’ replacing it with a woke fiefdom of the EU. How far the mighty have fallen.

Perhaps they will see the light and join BRICS, rather than crawl back to the EU with cap in hand and accept double their previous quota of African migrants.

Cocoa
Cocoa
2 years ago

UK voters are conflating the global recession effects of the politically mandated shutdowns and deglobalization with the wealth effects of cheap money in the past. Sure the UK is a basket case. The EU is worse than ever. The US is a trainwreck. They just want to go back in time more than wanting to be in the horribly managed EU which is getting more and more autocratic every day.

John
John
2 years ago

“Contrary to Popular Myth, Brexit Was Not a Bad Decision and Did Not Fail”

Brexit can not fail, it can only be failed! Got it.

jroyston
jroyston
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

I`ve had this conversation many times with people. I try and explain the problem the EU has as it doesn`t pool its debt onto a single interest rate like the US. That several countries pay for all the others, etc etc etc…
Now the EU were “persuaded” to shoot themselves in their feet, by cutting off cheap oil/gas supplies (Russia just reroutes its oil & gas now back to the EU), Germany`s in real trouble. Germany`s run the EU for years (Sorry France) and their companies will go somewhere with cheaper, and more stable, oil and gas prices. US I`d have thought.
I, personally, think that the EU is shot long term as well as the euro. Especially as the green agenda, and consequences that entails, is the buzz word. Country`s struggling? Create an energy crisis and shut farms… you couldn`t make it up.
The last thing the UK needs is more politicians (even though the europeans had better laws). Our politicians took us from 35.6% in 2007- 100.6% in 2022-23 Public Sector Net Debt to GDP. QE and ZIRP have black holed the pensions. The problem IS the politicians and not Brexit.

John
John
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

It will bring about untold wonders! (1)(2)(3)

Buried deep in the fine print:

1. If a series of totally fraught economic policy reforms are rammed through against impossible odds.

2. If all the things we’ve been sucking at we suddenly become good at.

3. Our mediocre politicians (the average politician is average after all) suddenly become far better.

fk
fk
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

YouGov is the pollster here. I don’t know much about them. But I do see their “day of” poll on Brexit from June, 2016 published on Twitter.

“YouGov on the day poll: Remain 52%, Leave 48%” The accompanying graph shows a breakout just before voting with “remain” spiking upward and the “leave” plunging downward.

If I was the average reader and saw this the day of the vote, I might conclude it was hardly worth going to vote. Bias? Margin of error? Attempt to influence the outcome? I wonder. Is this more of the same?

rinky stingpiece
rinky stingpiece
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Suggesting that politicians failed, implies that that actually genuinely tried.
If you think that, then I have a bridge for sale that you might be interest in.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

I believe I’ll have another beer.
Fortunately a good German dunkel.

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