The Hill reports Lindsey Graham: War with North Korea Would be ‘Worth It’ in the Long Run.
A former national security adviser in the Obama administration made this assessment.
“He Lost His God Damn Mind”
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I agree. It is absolute lunacy to make such statements.
A war with North Korea would put the entire population of South Korea, the magnificent city of Seoul at risk. Huge global supply chains from microchips to clothes to durable goods would all immediately suffer.
But hey, no US citizens will die except those unfortunate enough to be in the wrong country at the wrong time. Supposedly that makes the risk “worth it”.
This is worth repeating: Graham did not just lose his mind, he is a f’ing nutcase and a very dangerous one at that.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
I really like South Korea, South Koreans, Korean Food and Korean culture. In no way do I want any harm to come to them. However, North Korea is or will be soon capable of an EMP attack which would be capable of destroy all electricity in the US, parts of Canada and Mexico. Are we to sit and wait for that to happen? Personally I think the west coast of the US could drop into the ocean for all I care but are we to sit and wait for a nuclear bomb in LA, SF or Seattle? or Seoul or Tokyo or Guam or Hawaii for that matter? If the US were hit by North Korea the Russia and China could carve up the Pacific and possibly carve up the US too while we recovered from such devastation. Neither Russia nor China nor India nor any other nuclear power is belligerently threatening the US and its allies. We have grown to trust that they will act with restraint and responsibility. This restraint and responsibility in no way is representative of North Korea so even as a pacifist who opposes warmongering neocons and neoliberals…North Korea is not a threat we can deny or ignore or deflect.
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@Mish, I am amazed that you think the US has the capability to shoot down an incoming ballistic missile from N. Korea or any other country. The US does not have an operational strategic missile defense system, and has not claimed that it does. There have been a few “successful” test interceptions under carefully controlled conditions involving a single warhead and no decoys, along with a greater number of failures. A real attack would almost certainly involve decoys, which are cheap and easy to deploy, and possibly MIRVS. The capability to thwart such an attack is far in the future, and most nuclear experts believe it is impossible. While I do care about Korean lives as much as you, the casualty estimates for an artillery attack on Seoul following a preemptive US strike is well-under 100,000 lives — I believe the latest estimate is close to 36,000. That is an awful number, but a thermonuclear nuclear attack on Chicago, New York, or LA could easily run into the millions. Yes, this is all madness, but but I do not see a moral equivalence between 36,000 lives and 1,000,000 lives, no matter what country or peoples are involved. The alternative is to put the lives of millions of Americans into the hands of Kim Jung Un. It is my hope that Kim, seeing the same math that I do, will not deploy a nuclear weapon capable of hitting of major US city, If he does, and if all best efforts at diplomacy come to naught, I don’t believe the US can afford to ignore this clearly existential threat its safety and security of millions of its citizens. But again, only as a last resort, when all other avenues have failed.
Relax Mish, there always has to be a bogeman, and more drama. it is what makes the world go round and round. The problem is the joke of a media. who really care what some senator says. meaningless dribble. If it wasn’t for trading and taking fools money from them I would banish the internet from my abode. next stupid article please.
And what the fuck will you be saying – since you will be alive – to the millions of dead South Koreans? – By the way, I will be alive because we would shoot it down with plenty of time to react. Your lack of concern over millions of South Koreans is precisely the problem. You war mongers are fucking crazy.
I’ve said this before, it’s time for China to conduct a punitive war against North Korea, much like their war with North Vietnam. It would be a war conducted for different reasons, other than regime change, or the wholesale destruction of military forces, or the acquisition of important resources. Once Chinese soldiers are in North Korea the window of opportunity for a US strike is limited. China is thus able to keep Kim as its junkyard dog, and prevent a government friendly to America from encroaching on its border. Such a war might not even be a war at all, but a mere positioning of troops in strategic locations, and to the mind of their assumed enemies, it would be done to prevent any accidental, or even a secret attack from being launched. The presence of Chinese troops would precede any more provocative missile launches and show Chinas support for North Korea’s sovereignty.
Graham and McCain gave us ISIS.
Zzzzz…he says whatever he’s told to say. Who can’t see that?
Aside from the fact that you will probably be dead.
What will you be saying of Graham if N. Korea nukes LA, NY, Chicago, and Washington?
The best strategy for the U.S. with respect to North Korea is to do nothing. Kim and his dictatorial predecessors are still in power because they were able to use the U.S. as a threatening potential aggressor. South Korea is capable of defending itself. The U.S. should withdraw and shut up. The people of North Korea will deal with Kim, once the “outside threat” is gone.
Lindsey Graham like McCain is proof that elections are bought.
That’s to be expect… he’s McCain’s pool boy, yaknow. North Korea is correct to be afraid of the US. Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria. Hopefully, this is just another reelection congressional horse and pony show he’s putting on.
Lindsey Graham should be launched at Pyong Yang immediately.
Senator Graham apparently knows nothing of Korean history or the Korean people.
If I were Augustus Caesar, I’d do the following: Arm both sides with tactical nukes and announce withdrawal of my legions on 1/01/2021, offering the Empire’s support for any mutually agreed, bilateral governmental agreement presented prior to that date and promising undying enmity for any survivors absent an agreement. Your move, gentlemen.
Graham is an exhibitionist. He keeps getting himself quoted by attacking Trump.
His opinion on war with North Korea has several additional omissions, notably that we would be less than happy if the outcome of the war is that we lose and North Korea conquers South Korea. One outcome of war is that the outcome is never certain.
On the other hand, if we withdraw, North Korea’s ability to invade and conquer South Korea, which has a huge army including reserves not to mention modern equipment, is *probably* quite limited.
The same asinine way he is playing trade chess in 26 D? Not give clowns too much credit
fanaticism for generations as the wealth of SK is squandered.
unilateral withdrawal would be the only conceivable thing worse than Graham’s statement. The near-instantaneous result would be NK’s military take-over, a Pol Pot scale massacre and the funding of
South Koreans need to kick the US government out of their country and re-unite with the north. With a population 40 times NK’s and an economy about 100 times NK’s, they can easily pay off Kim and his henchmen. The remaining N Koreans will be only too glad to become part of a prosperous country without the US presence. They are certainly not going to unite as communist country under Kim’s control whether the US remains, or not.
North Koreans absolutely hate US and for good reason among those with memories of the Korean War. Nothing good can happen for Korea or US while ‘we’ are still over there where we don’t need to be. Continuing the current situation is just welfare for the Pentagon and State Department parasites. Get out of Korea now.
Xi “Kim’s obviously crazy as hell, Donald. You can’t reasonably expect me to just pick up the phone and set him right.” The Donald, “Xi, believe me, I understand, but I’ve got my own wingnuts too; did you see what Graham said? It’s pure Mad Hatter!” Xi, “OK Donald, what if we…”
There’s another possibility: Good cop/bad cop. I’ll even script it:
That is a terrifying statement from Sen Graham. A war in that region would involve China and possibly Russia making a global conflict possible. The region would be devastated. So irresponsible.