The shutdown killed October (no data collected) so this is all we get for a while.
Please consider the severely delayed September Jobs Report originally scheduled for October 3.
Initial Thoughts
All year, I kept asking “Does anyone believe these reports?”
In July the BLS said oops. Employment in May and June was a combined 258,000 lower than previously reported (now revised lower again).
In August, the BLS said oops again. The BLS reported negative job growth for June.
The revision hit parade continues in September. July was revised down by 7,000, from +79,000 to +72,000, and the change for August was revised down by 26,000, from +22,000 to -4,000.
There is no reason to believe this report either. But let’s discuss it anyway.
2025 Synopsis
- Since January 2025, Employment (Household Survey) is -250,000.
- Since January 2025, Nonfarm Payrolls (Establishment Survey) is +573,000.
- Since January 2025, Fulltime Employment (Household Survey) is -743,000
Monthly Job Report Details
- Nonfarm Payroll: +119,000 to 159,626,000 – Establishment Survey
- Civilian Non-institutional Population: +225,000 to 274,226,000
- Civilian Labor Force: 470,000 to 171,248,000 – Household Survey
- Participation Rate: +0.1 to 62.4% – Household Survey
- Employment:+251,000 to 163,645,000 – Household Survey
- Unemployment: +219,000 to 7,603,000 – Household Survey
- Baseline Unemployment Rate: +0.1 to 4.4% – Household Survey
- Not in Labor Force: -245,000 to 102,978,000 – Household Survey
- U-6 unemployment: +0.1 to 8.0% – Household Survey
Nonfarm Payrolls Change by Sector
BLS will not publish the Current Employment Statistics Highlights document for the
September or October 2025 reference periods.
Monthly Change in Nonfarm Payrolls
BLS will not publish the Current Employment Statistics Highlights document for the
September or October 2025 reference periods.
Monthly Revisions
- The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for July was revised down by 7,000, from +79,000 to +72,000.
- The change for August was revised down by 26,000, from +22,000 to -4,000.
- With these revisions, employment in July and August combined is 33,000 lower than previously reported.
Part-Time Jobs
- Involuntary Part-Time Work: -170,000 to 4,579,000
- Voluntary Part-Time Work:-458,000 to 22,756,000
- Total Full-Time Work: +655,000 to 135,153,000
- Total Part-Time Work: -427,000 to 28,461,000
- Multiple Job Holders: +17,000 to 8,802,000
The above numbers never total correctly due to the way the BLS makes seasonal adjustments. I list them as reported.
Note that multiple job holders add to nonfarm payrolls but not the number of employed.
Hours and Wages
This data is frequently revised.
- Average weekly hours of all private employees was flat at 34.2 hours.
- Average weekly hours of all private service-providing employees was flat at 33.2 hours.
- Average weekly hours of manufacturers fell 0.1 hours to 39.9 hours.
An overall decline or rise of a tenth of an hour does not sound line much, but with employment over 160 million, it’s more significant than it appears at first glance.
In a falling employment setup, hours of the remaining employees tend to rise, at least initially.
Hourly Earnings
This data is also frequently revised. Here are the numbers as reported this month.
Average Hourly Earnings of All Nonfarm Workers rose $0.09 to $36.67. A year ago the average wage was $35.33. That’s a gain of 3.8%.
Average hourly earnings of Production and Nonsupervisory Workers rose $0.08 to $31.53. A year ago the average wage was $30.38. That’s a gain of 3.8%.
Nonsense talk. The talking heads, Paul Krugman being one of them, claim wages are rising faster than prices. Their not if you properly factor in property insurance, property taxes, and food weighted properly.
Unemployment Rate

Through July, the Unemployment Rate has been between 4.0 percent and 4.2 percent for 15 straight months.
That ended in August. Do we credit Biden, Trump, the Fed, or the BLS?
At 4.4 percent, this is the highest since the 4.5 percent reading for October 2021. And rounded to two decimal places, it’s 4.44 percent.
Alternative Measures of Unemployment

Table A-15 is where one can find a better approximation of the unemployment rate.
- The official unemployment rate is 4.4 percent.
- U-6 is much higher at 8.0 percent.
Both numbers would be way higher still, were it not for millions dropping out of the labor force over the past few years.
Some of those dropping out of the labor force retired because they wanted to retire. Some dropped out over Covid fears and never returned. Still others took advantage of a strong stock market and retired early.
The rest is disability fraud, forced retirement (need for Social Security income), and discouraged workers.
Birth Death Model
Starting January 2014, I dropped the Birth/Death Model charts from this report.
The birth-death model pertains to the birth and death of corporations not individuals except by implication.
For those who follow the numbers, I retain this caution: Do not subtract the reported Birth-Death number from the reported headline number. That approach is statistically invalid.
Birth-Death Methodology Explained
I gave a detailed explanation of the model and why the usual calculation is wrong in my June 8, 2024 post How Much Did the BLS Birth-Death Adjustment Pad the May Jobs Report?
I repeat, do not subtract the birth-death number from the headline number.
Household Survey vs. Payroll Survey
- The payroll survey (sometimes called the establishment survey) is the headline jobs number. It is based on employer reporting.
- The household survey is a phone survey conducted by the BLS. It measures employment, unemployment and other factors.
If you work one hour, you are employed. If you don’t have a job and fail to look for one, you are not considered unemployed, rather, you drop out of the labor force.
Looking for job openings on Jooble or Monster or in the want ads does not count as “looking for a job”. You need an actual interview or send out a resume.
These distortions artificially lower the unemployment rate, artificially boost full-time employment, and artificially increase the payroll jobs report every month.
The BLS payroll reports smack of oversampling large employers and undersampling small employers where jobs have been trending lower.
Final Thoughts
Three months ago I said “The BLS monthly data is total garbage. I do the best I can with BLS data.”
Two months ago, I said the stench is so powerful that no one can pretend there is not a massive data collection, sampling problem at the BLS.
Last month I noted June jobs are -13,000 from an originally-reported +147,000.
This month I note still more negative revisions.
Today, I add these comments: Not only is BLS sampling more than a bit questionable, but the birth-death model is proven garbage, and ICE raids are distorting immigrants’ ability and willingness to answer phone surveys by anyone working for the government.
The Labor Market Recap
- ADP: On November 6 I noted Private Employers Added 42,000 Jobs in October, First Increase Since July
- Revelio: On November 7, I noted Revelio’s Realistic Assessment of the US Labor Market and Jobs – Sinking Fast
- Challenger & Gray Layoffs: On November 6, I noted Cost Cutting Hits Jobs. October Layoffs Surge to Highest Level in 20 Years
- Richmond Fed: On November 6 I noted Richmond Fed Survey Shows Small Businesses Impacted More by Tariffs
ADP Pulse
Onn November 14, I noted ADP Pulse of Net Private Job Creation Drops to Negative 11,250 Per Week
How fast is the economy shedding jobs?
My assessment is fast. Especially small businesses that I believe are under-sampled.
Importantly, consider the pulse of -11,250 (-45,000) as a revised estimate of ADP’s +42,000 for October.
In light of the above, it is ludicrous to believe full-time employment rose by 655,000 in September. But that is what the BLS astonishingly reports!


I’d be interested in knowing the impact on US-born and legal residents.
Was the report written in sharpie?
Fairy Tales continue . . .
The US and the world economies are in the acceleration phase of recession/depression unemployment. US and Chinese private and corporate debt as a % of GDP rival/exceed 1929. (There is 1.2 trillion of debt just related to the AI industry)
Steve Keen offers a similar perspective … https://youtu.be/c6zxzgViT9M
BESSENT: If “something happens” in Venezeula, we could see oil prices really go down…
War for oil in the offing
bessent is biting his pillow and jizzing, thinking of the fortune he’ll make.
Like seriously. Do you think Trump is going to start a war with VZ?
Dude, can you imagine the backlash?
And not I’m not talking about from the left.
reminds me of when G bush attacked panama to do regime change. the bush crime family lives on with donald Dump and his nut job maga cult.
Backlash? Compared to the Epstein files? It’s nothing.
WSJ: “Trump Economy Is Cooking!”
4.2% GDP, 119K jobs & significant positive net exports over the last two months.
$1T investment potentially from Saudia Arabia added to the $15T.
The stock market is finally seeing a small but needed correction.
… And you’re ardently kissing that big orange ass
Is it Golden yet?
Hi, what do you think about charts like those ones https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/native-born-workers-rise-2-million-under-trump-new-record-high-foreign-born-plunge-16?
Report is probably about as accurate as most of Taco’s comments about most subjects.
I think the Fed is looking at continued claims which are approaching 2M as anything. AI is making people more productive at their jobs. Companies continue to shed employees that they don’t need, while profits remain elevated. 119K is a nice rebound, but it will likely get revised down below 100K. I agree with the market that the Fed will take a pass on 12/10. GDPNow running @ 4.2% is a very big reason for the Fed to bias towards wait & see.
Huge shift in sentiment in the stock market today. Leveraged Bitcoin traders were liquidated and taken to the woodshed. The AI bubble might have found its hot poker.
Gold held up well with the unreliable job numbers but the miners were hit hard.
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This is Off Topic, but I am wondering why gold held steady (only down 0.15% or $6.00) while mining companies were hit hard ~ between 5% & 7%.
Something to consider for short term trading in the gold market is:
The December options and futures/options expiry occurs on the 24th of November.
This contract has been trading since 2020 and many entered it when gold was below $2,000.00. They are deeply in the money and given the US debt load and the likelihood of a credit downgrade? They may stand for delivery.
In my thinking this will be hit with a wall of paper selling and an increase in volatility in the gold market.
Thoughts on this topic will be appreciated.
A tectonic shift between heavily leveraged positions, long and short?
gold is money. miners are businesses. when in history empires or countries have idiotic rulers who threaten death to senators………and such, panic sets in that this is a crumbling nation/empire. i remember being in russia in the 90s as the evil empire collapsed. same thing. smart men own gold coin in hand. same with the men in iraq and afghanistan and viet nam and anywhere that trouble is brewing. my take. trump is out of control. rich men and women reach for real money. if there was ever a ruler of pax dumbfuckistan who could destroy the currency, i think donald is that man. i could see him doing very radical changes in the next few years. get gold. keep much hidden and far out of reach. land will be taxed to hell. same with companies and people. gold has always done best in whacko times for at least the past 5000 years. probably 10,000.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1378/dow-to-gold-ratio-100-year-historical-chart
that is my all time favorite chart. as you can see, the trend of dow/gold ratio has been cut in half the past 7 years. and for the 21st century gold has outperformed the dow by a factor of almost 4x.
Who answers the phone these days. Should start texting.
I do smoke signals now. It’s organic.
How can job numbers to up and the unemployment rate go up at the same time.
That sounds ‘unpossible’. And ridiculous.
Especially with an alleged 2 million deportations. However with Trump, it is more likely to be only 100,000 the way he exaggerates, lies or obfuscates.
i’d bet the flow of migrants back into usa has already happened. i lived in AZ when jan brewer did the same dumb thing that donald trump did recently. short term loss, but they came back. pro tips. the borders to mexico and canada have been wide open for centuries. very easy to cross by land or by sea or air or train………..
Zerohedge says “Native-Born Workers Rise By 2 Million Under Trump To A New Record High, As Foreign-Born Plunge By 1.6 Million“https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/native-born-workers-rise-2-million-under-trump-new-record-high-foreign-born-plunge-16
That must be it, in a way. Though I still believe that unemployment government stats should never be taken seriously.
Job creation up? Cut rates.
Unemployment up? Cut rates.
Inflation up? Cut rates.
No matter what the data says, the answer is always the same.
They need to focus on inflation. Wage growth for job stayers is 4.5% (over 2x Fed target) and for job changers is 6.7% (over 3x Fed target). Services are about 70% of the economy, and wage inflation is tied to services inflation at the hip. The Fed’s dual mandate has no need to worry about the employment situation until wage growth falls to 3%, despite how the near historically low unemployment number is being interpreted by Wall Street people looking for excuses to cut rates.
all this winning
Hey, best economy ever!
For the old
304 days since Trump took office.
If 10,000 boomers retire each day x 304 days = 3,040,000 depletion in labor
Supposedly Trump’s ICE has deported 2 million = 2,000,000 depletion in labor
The combined total for these two groups alone is 5 million people yet unemployment is still rising despite losing 5m people in labor?
And why are so many people unemployed if so many are leaving the labor force? Just how bad is this Trump economy?
Add to all of that this fun fact: In 2007, the birth rates began to decline and now it’s 2025. That means all those kids that weren’t created in 2007 would be turning 18 this year but they’re missing from the labor force.
https://www.hr-brew.com/stories/2025/10/24/us-employers-face-labor-shortage-headaches-amid-declining-fertility-rate-immigration-crackdown
At some point, all of this with metastasize into one huge labor issue and it will create untold problems for those without an exit strategy or backup plan.
Tax issue also.
Congress will likely decide not to fix Social Security, letting the benefit payments drop by around 25%. People should be bracing for this by saving, rather than spending freely like there’s no tomorrow.
People who rely on Social Security tend not to spend much.
The confident spenders tend to have pensions and larger 401ks.
I was referring mainly to the pre-retirement spenders, between the ages of 40 and 62, something I probably should have clarified.
Perhaps the oligarchs who install the government should pay back the wealth they obtained from anti-competitive practices and government contracts, mostly involving war and spying.
Other than the oligarchs, few people knowingly voted to loot social programs in favor of endless global war.
>> 304 days since Trump took office.
Hard to believe. I was sick and tired of him in his 1st term by the 4th year, of Biden by his 2nd year, and Trump by his 3rd month.
Send in the clowns?
democracy works. always has. people elect themselves in a republic. donald and joe are red white and true blue, amerikans.
The common Clay of the new west…
2million deported is non sense.