Foreign Policy Magazine writers want the US to send military advisors to Ukraine. Whoa, Nelly!
Alexandra Chinchilla and Sam Rosenberg writing for Foreign Policy try to explain Why America Should Send Military Advisers to Ukraine
Although Western instruction has reached many Ukrainian soldiers, it has missed the overwhelming majority. That is because Western training has been administered outside Ukraine, from locations across Europe. This distance has limited how many Ukrainians can access instruction and how customized the training can be to the terrain of Ukraine and the specialized tactics needed there. It also limits the extent to which the United States can catalyze enduring transformations in Ukraine’s defense establishment.
Amazingly, the writers claim “On-the-Ground Help Will Bolster Kyiv Without Risking Escalation.“
What the #$T&$#$#!!@@#?
I will keep this short.
The idea is so obviously stupid that I sarcastically wonder why it took so long to come up with it.
Doesn’t anyone have any memory? Does anyone study history on sending advisors?
Good Morning Vietnam!
Let’s just bug out.
Cut and run from NATO is best bet.
UKRAINE ALREADY LOST !!!!!!
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Ukraine had 52 million people in 1991, 40 million in 2014, and 28 million before the war. NOW IT IS LESS THAN 20 MIL!
The birth rate is less than 1. It was actually 0.7 in 2022–2023.
Being first a bit of a pacifist this war was completely avoidable and continuing to escalate it it sheer lunacy. Also I paid $5.69 per gallon for gasoline yesterday here in Los Angeles at a discount gas station, brands are $6. Up 20% in under 30 days. A cold winter in the eastern US and a cold winter in Europe will mean we haven’t seen anything yet in the way of inflation. The actual people of western Europe are losing their will for this war rapidly and it won’t take much more to end the popular sentiment.
Gasoline costs are HIGH because OPEC+ WANTS them to be higher.
Blame whomever you want. A CARTEL controls the price of OIL.
NOT the US, NOT Republicans or Dems, NOT anyone with “good intentions for the little guys or middle class”.
OMG! The oil price is controlled by – gasp – Capitalists!
Ummm…
Yeah, ya better go back and check the difference between “Capitalists” Aka “Free Market Capitalism” and a CARTEL aka OPEC+ and NOT actually FM Capitalism. Hint: It’s NOT the same.
And let’s face it…it’s not just a Cartel, in part it’s a Cartel headed by a country that JUST decided to let women drive in 2018. And STILL don’t give women rights to determine their own marriage without permission from a male family member or guardian. Plus all kinds of abuse with no rights. Oh, and that little “cut up the reporter into a bunch of pieces and disappear him”.
Yeah, cool group of peeps…you big on THAT crew being in charge of the GLOBAL price of OIL?
Yeah, me neither…
Go EVs and Solar with Battery Storage and that whole Cartel thing becomes less and less important for almost everyone.
One can only hope that British special forces are deployed to assassinate any American “advisers” deployed to Ukraine. Hopefully the UK will form a military alliance with Russia, against America, whilst remaining in NATO.
The US has been in decline since 1945:
“Korea, not a victory. Vietnam, a defeat. Desert Storm, defeated an army, but not a country. Iraq Invasion, ongoing mess. Afghanistan, a long bleeding defeat.
The present proxy war is continuing, but if past is prologue, optimism might not be warranted.”
It is time to pursue a neutralist foreign policy and bring all the military in foreign countries home.
100% agreement!
Thank you.
What a bunch of “Head in the Sand” baloney.
The US has beaten the USSR…NATO has added most of the Warsaw Pact Members. Russia is in the process of self-destructing right in front of everyone.
China has risen…primarily because of the US Industry and business. Now China’s Demographics are plummeting and their Real Estate / Debt Crisis will eat them alive, especially with massive youth unemployment.
The Saudis / OPEC+ know the clock is ticking on OIL and the OIL Countries are trying to invest in almost anything else: EVs, Sports Leagues, Real Estate, Big Texh, etc.
If the US has been in decline, while building the Largest Companies in the World, then the rest of the world is swimming in the gutter.
Just because the US hasn’t become an Imperialist Country that tries to occupy other countries FOREVER, doesn’t mean it’s anything but a SOLID #1.
China will struggle and decline eventually. The more that Xi tries to control the population, the more that new investment gets sent elsewhere.
You can’t become a Neutral Hermit, when missiles can reach You in 10 minutes and trade can be almost completely disrupted by cutting off three major choke points and sea lanes.
The world has grown up. You can’t take things back to the 50’s no matter how much you want it. Time to grow up and realize there’s responsibilities for being the major Superpower in the world.
“If the US has been in decline, while building the Largest Companies in the World, then the rest of the world is swimming in the gutter.”
Apple is a huge company, but are its jobs here?
“You can’t become a Neutral Hermit, when missiles can reach You in 10 minutes and trade can be almost completely disrupted by cutting off three major choke points and sea lanes.”
Sounds like a precise justification for what Russia is doing right now.
NO. There is NO justification for what Russia is doing right now.
They had massive trade with the EU, including pipelines through the Baltic to Germany and plenty of shipping options overseas AND by land routes in Asia and Southern Europe.
Instead of being content with the LARGEST country in the world by land mass, with complete ability to trade with BOTH Asia / China AND Europe, they just got too greedy and tried to stuff ALL of Ukraine into their mouth and are now choking to death on it.
Foolish plan by Putin. Germany was willing to be “Best Buddies” with Russia for cheap Gas and OIL and where Germany goes, so goes most of Europe, economically speaking.
Now they’re stuck in a Rerun of USSR / Afghanistan except the losses are eye-wateringly larger.
Stop being an apologist for Putin. He was invited to “The Europe Trade Party” but just had to start a major land War in Europe. The Europeans are pissed (and a little scared) and Poland / Romania / The Baltic States, East Germany, etc. ALL remember just how BAD things were under Soviet Domination / Occupation. They are NEVER going back.
Rome was in decline for 400 years.
Ukraine doesn’t need advisers or overseers. That’s just more cooks in the kitchen,
Send more and bigger weapons!
If Biden’s continued slow parceling out of needed weapons to Ukraine is judged to have caused Ukraine to lose to Russia, his reelection and legacy will be burnt toast.
why won’t you join ranks on front in eastern ukraine?
it seems you dont care much about other people lives!
Let’s not kid ourselves anymore. A year ago, I said the goal was to overthrow the government of the Russia and that is still the goal. Proxy wars have been fought throughout history and this one is no different. Eventually Putin’s government will fall. The Russian people are easily convinced their freedom doesn’t matter but eventually they will come to see the light.
Of course Russians will admire a leader like Biden and wish they had one like him….
putin invaded for his power back home, and for a land bridge to crimea. which i surmise and understand he now does control. of course things change.
=Russian people are easily convinced their freedom
are you russian? can you speak russian lang? have you read a single book in russia?
have you spent a single year living in russia?
or it is just what you saw on cnn-bbc?
Yes, this is another Vietnam… for Russia. Sending arms to Ukraine is a good vengeance for our soldiers fallen in Hanoi
Perhaps this will be the head fake when the West sets up the invasion of Russia to capture Putin and drag him to the World Court to be prosecuted for all his crimes?
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NATO Prepares For Biggest Military Exercise Since Cold War, And Close To Russia
Tuesday, Sep 12, 2023 – 12:40 AM
The upcoming Steadfast Defender NATO war drills, set for early 2024, are expected to be the biggest military exercises in Europe since the end of the Cold War, the Financial Times is reporting Monday.
At a moment the war in Ukraine grows more and more unpredictable, given neither Russia nor the West have shown any signs of backing down, the FT writes that “NATO is preparing its biggest live joint command exercise since the cold war next year, assembling more than 40,000 troops to practice how the alliance would attempt to repel Russian aggression against one of its members.”
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link to zerohedge.com
Nobody is “Invading Russia”. They’re the largest holder of Nuclear Warheads in the world.
Nobody is “Invading China” either for similar reasons, even if their total number of N Weapons is less.
Let’s all take a chill pill and use logic.
If Putin “meets his fate” or is put in a Gulag, it will be by Russians. Plain and Simple. Otherwise, he’ll try and stay in power until he dies of natural causes.
There is much speculation as to how much of Russia’s nuclear arsenal actually works. I doubt the number is high.
This recent story boggled my mind at how apparently complex these devices are and how difficult maintenance is.
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Inside the delicate art of maintaining America’s aging nuclear weapons
BY TARA COPP
September 20, 2023
KANSAS CITY NATIONAL SECURITY CAMPUS, Mo. (AP) — In an ultra-sterile room at a secure factory in Kansas City, U.S. government technicians refurbish the nation’s nuclear warheads. The job is exacting: Each warhead has thousands of springs, gears and copper contacts that must work in conjunction to set off a nuclear explosion.
Eight hundred miles (about 1,300 kilometers) away in New Mexico, workers in a steel-walled vault have an equally delicate task. Wearing radiation monitors, safety goggles and seven layers of gloves, they practice shaping new warhead plutonium cores — by hand.
And at nuclear weapons bases across the country, troops as young as 17 keep 50-year-old warheads working until replacements are ready. A hairline scratch on a warhead’s polished black cone could send the bomb off course.
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link to apnews.com
= much of Russia’s nuclear arsenal actually works
RUSSIA IS ONLY country in world who actually built nuclear reactors on indst. scale. and refines most of world nuclear fuel on world!
also, russia only country in world has tech. to run nuclear reactors on nuclear fuel used , then refined again. and used again.
thye know stuff. so please spare US YOUR ST$UPIDITY !
alx
PS
remind me when was last time USA company built nuclear station on world or own country?
Have they managed to implement a permanent fix for Chernobyl yet?
Just asking for a friend.
How to Make Russia Really Pay for Invading Ukraine
Sept. 19, 2023
Bret Stephens
Volodymyr Zelensky will visit Washington this week to give thanks to the United States for its generosity — while asking for $24 billion more, which is what the Biden administration is seeking from Congress in additional military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine. That will bring the total amount of American aid to $135 billion, which so far has been $223 million a day since the war began, according to one calculation.
Maybe it’s time to open a new funding source before American largess runs out — this time from Russia.
Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the United States and our democratic partners have frozen roughly $300 billion in Russian central bank assets, amounting to a little less than half of the Kremlin’s foreign currency and gold reserves. Some of us have been arguing ever since that the money should be transferred to Ukraine, both as a matter of justice and as a deterrent against this kind of aggression. As the former Treasury secretary Larry Summers has put it, “Bank robbers should not expect banks to honor their safe deposit boxes.”
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link to nytimes.com
Vladimir Putin brutally mocked after being left begging Kim Jong-un for help after Ukraine humiliation
By Jack Walters
September 12, 2023
Vladimir Putin has been brutally mocked after appearing to beg Kim Jong-un for munitions to assist his invasion of Ukraine.
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link to gbnews.com
if it is printed in western mass media, that must be true?
how is that building #7 on 9-11 doing?
Alexandra Chinchilla and Sam Rosenberg really believe that sending American advisors will improve Ukraine’s situation. But the last 50 years show the limited competence and efficiency of such advisors. This war in Ukraine has also highlighted the low quality of Western weapons.
Do the kiddies even remember Vietnam?
This is roughly a clone of WW1 or Vietnam; i.e, the Russians see this as an existential fight (if they capitulate, they’ll become a Western appendage), so it’s very hard to discourage the Russians from fighting to the end.
Meanwhile, the Western MSM is fully backing a corrupt government with questionable leaders (Zelenskyy was lambasted in NYT weeks before the war turned him into a hero) whose primary military tactic is throwing men into the grinder.
If you read the Western media, the Russians are screwed, but the Russians are treating this existentially and are willing to trade a ton of lives to prevent Ukraine from fully jumping into the Western sphere.
And yeah, generally speaking, Ukraine distracts the West from dealing with China, so for the Chinese it’s a good deal, and Putin seems to be willing to slow-burn the war instead of drafting the 1 million men and produce the 20 million artillery shells per year he needs to start taking cities (by blasting them into smithereens).
Time to stop with the Ukraine “corrupted” meme.
EVERY country in the world is corrupt to some degree. China, India, the USA, all of Africa are much more corrupt than Ukraine.
It’s not a meme.
link to transparency.org
We can also go back to 2020 or 2019, for pre-COVID perceptions.
Ukraine ranks with the Philippines. It is considered more corrupt than Sierra Leone.
China is seen as less corrupt, India is seen as less corrupt, the USA is seen as less corrupt, and so on.
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It is impressive that Ukraine has been able to hold on for so long, but of every dollar sent to Ukraine, it is probable that a substantial percentage gets embezzled away.
Most people know about Vietnam.
You need to do a better job of remembering that there have been MANY more conflicts since then.
This is MUCH closer to Afghanistan for the USSR/ Russians. They screwed up there…stayed way too long and lost a bunch of soldiers and came away empty after burning themselves out.
Putin & Russia has been gobbling up little pieces of several countries his entire career. Transnistria, Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, the Donbas, etc. There was little repercussions for doing any of that, so his natural conclusion was he could keep taking bites from the Eastern European Apple.
Unfortunately for him (and Ukrainians) he went too far and freaked out the Europeans, which caused a visceral revolution from NATO.
Russia is NOT the USSR in military size or power and doesn’t control over 300 Million people (USSR & Warsaw Pact). NOBODY in Europe or NATO is going to let Putin roll up the Eastern European countries again. Period.
It took the USSR 8 years to realize that Afghanistan was an untenable situation. It will take LESS time for Ukraine to become that because they’ve already lost more in one fourth the amount of time.
Whether Putin stays in power or not, will mostly be decided internally by him and the Russians.
Good summary especially the part where it freaked out the Europeans. It really did. Europe now supports Ukraine in money and arms than the US does and they are in it for the long term.
=Europe now supports Ukraine in money and arms
so that is why most of east/central europe countries forbidden ukraine grain exports, and Poland just said recently: IT WONT RE-ARM UKRAINE NO
MORE !
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buddy bot! you should more convincing !
it is not 100 year BC, everybody and your uncle use internet and can watch tv propaganga on cnn=bbc!
alx
we’ve been in ukraine since obama and mccain helped foment a coup there. decade a ago. on a bigger picture, all empires eventually crumble in one fashion or another. pax dumbfuckistan is crumbling in text book fashion. under the weight of world wide bases and war mongering, and printing and borrowing money and neglecting the homeland and citizens. the politicians whether kings or presidents and military and bankers have bankrupted many empires before us. it’s textbook evil empire crumbling 101.
Speaking of war, when will the draft be reinstated? That should further stir up the polarization of the usa
There isn’t any need to reinstate a draft in the USA at this time.
But I think it would be a good idea to REQUIRE 2 years of service in between high school and college or work with no deference for anyone for any reason except the seriously disabled. .
Nonsense.
While it’s perfectly reasonable to offer a “Two Year Service Opportunity” for those who want it, and might learn trades, get on the job experience, fix infrastructure issues, help America’s Communities, etc….
Mandatory service is baloney and those who advocate for it are more into “control” than they are for what’s good for the kids / young adults.
I’m all for “Offering the Opportunity” for Civic / Military Service…
it could be valuable for many…but Mandatory isn’t that good of an idea. Plenty of people make their way just fine in the US without it.
But the private sector has great need for those experienced with crew-served weapons!
Several European countries are seriously looking at mimicking Finland and Sweden with the draft. During the Cold War countries like France and West Germany had manpower reserves approaching a million and a half each in addition to their regular armies. They have woken up to the fact that we live in a dangerous world.
Russia is the major threat in the Region. They’re burning themselves out on Ukraine. Other than Poland and the Baltic States who are right next to Russia / Ukraine, nobody needs to institute drafts or compulsory service if they don’t have it already.
yeah. just google how many coupes USA funded since end of ww2!
The Clinton Foundation is in talks to provide relief to Ukraine:
link to apnews.com
Blackrock is also going to lend a helping hand:
link to successfulsocieties.princeton.edu
How can Ukraine possibly lose with these two dream teams on their side?
Speaking of Vietnam, has anyone else noticed that two words never used in Ukraine war talk are “Powell Doctrine”?
“catalyze enduring transformations”
Seriously? I hope they don’t forget to leverage the synergies, too.
Foreign Policy Magazine writers have their heads up their butts..
The US/Britain/Germany/Poland/ect ect already have “ADVISORS” operating in Ukraine…
They have been there since 2014!!!!
“YOU” know this how? Have you been there and seen these advisors?
If that happened then the personnel in Syria might need to be reallocated. It’d be a shame to have to move on after all these years of not being there.
Sure Doug-: you are utterly clueless as well as being a Natsi, just like the Ukrainian Na tsis you support.
The good news is the alliance of evil called NATO has already been totally defeated by Russia but you can never acknowledge that basic fact.
Sieg Heil, scumbag
Ahahahaha! Ahahahaha!
Get a job other than Russian Trolling.
no Russian troll here dipshit. My family is from Poland, many members of whom were killed by Ukrainian Natsis – Ukraine fielded 225,000+ men, 11 full Divisions, for Hitlers Waffen SS. The same unit insignias and regimental names they use today in units of the Ukraine Army. If you had ever read a history book, you would know this, but with your single digit IQ, reading comprehension is an obvious challenge. Tell me, historical genius, if you can honestly answer the following questions:
– who was Stepan Bandera and why is he famous?
– what philosphy do the Azov Battalion, Right Se ktor, Svoboda (all units of the Ukraine Army) share in common?
-who were the Tornado Battalion, and why are they famous?
-what infamous event occurred at Baba Yar, Ukraine, and who precisely perpertrated it on orders of the Gestapo?
-what infamous event occurred at Volyn, Poland, and who perptrated it?
-who made up the 14 Waffen SS Division (aka 1st Galician SS) and why are they famous?
Get back to me when you learn some history, troll. To me, you are just another Natsi supporting your fellow Natsi’s of Ukraine, which makes you purely evil.
Russia invaded to save Ukraine from the Nazis? Not even Putin uses that line anymore because it was just too ridiculous.
just google LVOV jew$ish POGROMS 1941!
same ukraines are now! even worse! esp in western regions,
Yes and I am the direct descendent of Nicolas II and Putin is the false Czar. One day soon I will retake the throne, look you up and send you to Siberia in the traditional Russian way.
Cut the BS. Nobody believes one iota that the Ukrainians, with a JEWISH President are anything but Ukrainians. There’s good and bad in every country but perpetrating Kremlin Propaganda is simply foolish.
FUBAR is truly the appropriate name for you. Did you name yourself that as a form of irony and a way to say “don’t listen to the bull I spew” ?
For those interested in how ‘US advisors in Ukraine’ most likely will turn out, I suggest the long read of the Vietnam ‘Pentagon Papers’. I have attached the link to the actual ‘TOP SECRET – SENSITIVE’ publication. It is rather extensive and covers the history of IndoChina/Vietnam from WWII. If you scroll down to the chapters ‘Justification of the War – Public Statements’, I am pretty sure that you can substitute the word ‘UKRAINE’ for ‘VIETNAM’, and you will get the gist of where we stand today.
For those interested in history, this is excellent and disturbing reading.
link to archives.gov
This headline abt US advisors going to Ukraine is a throwaway, red herring, a little bump up in posts then back to “woe is us”, recession & inflation handwringing with a side order of union bashing.
I was expecting something like this to happen. Next the advisors get hit with something in a situation similar to the Bay of Tonkin and next thing you know the war drums of escalation will beat and then a public outcry for troops to be sent in. I do hope so very much I am wrong but what I have seen from the Government has turned me into one that always expects the worse.
Mish, why are you such a despicable agent of Putin? Signed, the DC Blob. /sarc
Given the down votes, it’s obvious that sarcasm is lost on the Mish group? Wow…
CIA/FBI deployed downvoting bots…
Ukraine is absolutle on the Vietnam style ramp up. The US already has boots on the ground and most of NATO is very happy that they wont be doing any of the bleeding.
The next $24 Billion would better spent in Lahaina, NYC migrant Centers or Baltimore City Schools or trying to reduce the deficit.
Our country is so F@KKED up.
The country isn’t f @kked up, our leadership is.
Just what Ukraine needs, more advice.
As long as Alexandra and Sam are included in the front-line advisors, and every Congressperson who votes for it is also in the front-line, I am okay with it. If you are going to vote for war, you need a son, daughter, mother, or father on the front line. Don’t send other people’s loved ones to die for your idealogy.
That is what Western civilizations do.
It is a tradition.
The U.S. should send some Austrian Economic Advisors to the House Ways and Means committee along with some other committees in D.C.
Skip Ukraine altogether.
And are the Chinese advising Russia?
Maybe North Korea is advising Russia to gain some experience.
Iran might like to advise in as well.
And there you have it, George Bush’s Axis of Evil.
= North Korea is advising Russia to gain some experience.
you dont advice someone to GAIN experience! it is opposite
You don’t advice somebody. You advise them.
At what point does it become officially World War 3? Is it something seen in hindsight, like the NBER does with calling a recession?
This is just a worse version of the USSR invasion of Afghanistan. Poorly executed and costly to the USSR (Russians) with no gains and a terrible outcome for their military. The rest of Europe is watching the Russians burn.
The Ukraine war mega DEBACLE is properly reviewed here. All else is either U.S. propaganda saying just a little more and all will be well, and or just horse puckey.
It is all over but more dying and wasted lives and capital.
link to moonofalabama.org
That’s barfly-level analysis.
Nonsense. Get your Vodka Ration and cry. Losing the Black Sea Fleet and Crimea due to supply roads and bridges being cut off is going to be a disaster for Putin. Even if he stays in power, Sevastopol will not be safe for the Russian Navy or Military.
We will see how 200,000 Russian conscripts hold without food, water or ammunition as the Ukrainians systematically pinch off their supply lines which is what they are doing now.
You Sir are either badly misinformed by the USA neocon warmonger media, or quite delusional. See this.
link to moonofalabama.org
he probably thinks the border is secure too
The border is not secure but I am sure you have noticed that big problems often come in groups and that you usually have to solve them simultaneously. The problem at the border can be solved but not by this administration. To solve it would be much easier than solving the war in Ukraine.
The solution for the Border is Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Too many people want to keep this issue as a political wedge, for Congress to ACTUALLY fix the problem. This is something that CAN be fixed but won’t be fixed by either party without the other.
it is AI bot. probably cia or mi5
alx
Wrong! I am an agent of the Liechtenstein Secret Service and our goal is to take over Russia and use for a parking lot.
to take over Russia and use for a parking lot.
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are you in same room w. napoleon? in mad house?
get lost bot!
Never trust anyone using the “Moon of Alabama” link. Bahahaha! One of the least educated and poorly performing states in the US.
Simply put. Crimea is in a completely untenable position, because the WATER has been cut off from the Dnipro River / Canal. The bridges in and out of Crimea are being destroyed and damaged on a regular basis and Russian Submarines in Drydock don’t typically blow up spontaneously.
Ukraine ALREADY has enough progress to cut off Crimea completely, using StormShadows and other longer range missiles and drones. The Russian Logistics debacle is obvious to the entire world that has access to multiple valid news sources.
The slow bleeding of Russian Leadership, Logistics and Supply Routes is unfolding in front of us.
The USSR was MUCH more powerful than Russia and gave up in Afghanistan after way less military and economic losses. The same will happen with Russia because the front line soldiers can post things on Telegram and others and it’s not going to go well for Russia if they keep back up in the South. Once the Southern Road is in striking distance of HIMARS, etc. they are effectively going to be depleted in Crimea and their supply lines cut. That’s disastrous for troops and defenses.
If they can truly cut the supply lines in Crimea what do you suppose is going to happen to the population there?
Mass starvation and death? That won’t play out in the Western media and counties at all. Support will turn instantly if tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians are being starved.
Many will move out by car or boat. Others will stay. Women and children will get free passes through Uranian lines monitored by the Red Cross. I expect though that Russia will do as you said and use them as civilian hostages to hinder Ukrainian operations.
The supply lines are ALREADY being cut. Russian military will do the same thing North of Crimea that they did in the City of Kherson…fall back into Crimea first and then eventually evacuate the entire Crimean peninsula. Their ships are being targeted, Sevastopol is no longer safe for the Russian Military and Putin doesn’t want to lose his Airplanes and ships. The Russian Soldiers are 100% expendable to Putin…but he does want to keep his air force and Navy somewhat intact.
The entire Southern / Eastern part of Ukraine has been suffering from Food, Water and Electricity deprivation for the entire year and a half. No different than what Crimea will go through. Save your fake compassion for Pravda articles.
AI stu$$pid bot!
during ww2 usa-britain did not destory german lines sending 1000+planes per each nIght.!
UKRAINE DONT HAVE AIRPLANES AT ALL. sending couple drones inside biggest coutnry in world means nothing!!
learn facts, bot! and geography!
alx
They don’t need to Ivan.
They’re taking out the bridges to Crimea, the Ships in Port there and the Air Defense Missiles supporting that area and the supply roads in the South of Zap. That entire area is getting squeezed by losses and as soon as they’re in range of the Southern Supply Road / Land Bridge along the coast, Crimea and its troops wither and die or flee.
There’s NOT enough Transport Landing Craft to supply an Army in those areas. Just simple Logistics.
You’re correct those thousands of planes were fire bombing German cities because that is was a moral people do, fire bomb innocent women and children. All wars suck. Especially WW2!
If this continues perhaps this winter we may see how Ukraine does without heat, electricity or water.
Ukrainians are fighting for their LIVES and their HOMES. They’ll do much better than a smug keyboard warrior that is sitting on their fat butts and accomplishing nothing, wishing for people’s suffering Lisa. That’s how they’ll do. Join the Human race…OR jump over to Russia and hang out in an Authoritarian State that’s sending their kids to die for a Dictator that has robbed them blind for Two Decades.
Doesn’t matter whether we do or not.
The front line is well established now. Nothing short of a million plus Ukrainian casualties (or nukes/chemical/bio weapons) is going to move 200K Russian soldiers out of their dug in positions behind mine fields, artillery and backed up by tanks, planes, drones etc.
All the Ukrainians have left at this point is long range drone and missile attacks.
It appears to me Russia has achieved it’s objective territory wise (ie all the Russian speaking areas) because it’s dug in and dug in armies who are mining areas, layering with artillery etc aren’t planning to advance.
“All the Ukrainians have left at this point is long range drone and missile attacks.”
Well for now yes. Been thinking about how to position for profit in this scenario and it occurred to me that RTX has been in a correction trend and getting close to 15 p/e, plus it pays dividend and trades options. I’m keeping an eye on it, could be a new money train pulling into the station.
Advisors may come up with “suggestions” for more drones or other RTX goodies.
link to finance.yahoo.com
I think Russia realised that it was a better strategy to just hold the line and absorb the attacks, whilst getting arms factories and supply chain up and running, because in the long run, that’s what wins a war.
It looks like the Ukrainians don’t need our advisors on the front lines. They are doing pretty well as is. They need more weapons which they are getting. A few more Stormshadows after yesterday would be nice and ATACMs and F-16s are on the way. Advisors from all Nato countries are present of course but the Ukrainians have the most experienced army in Europe by now. The advisors are there to learn from them at this stage rather than the other way around.
In addition to the Ukrainian army’s experience, they have a lot of dead and disabled soldiers. This is a war of attrition and the death and destruction is awful.
The Ukrainians are not going to retake Crimea and the US isn’t going to have regime change in Russia.
Let’s start negotiating a settlement and stop the death!
Well when you are invaded by a country that has said it will make your country, culture and language disappear you really don’t have much a choice do you? What is your solution? If you say “not my problem” I can accept that. There are people who don’t want to get involved unless of course they are invaded.
“make your …culture and language disappear you really don’t have much a choice do you?”
You do realize the vast majority of the Donbass region is Russian. Russian culture. Russian language. Russian Orthodox religion.
The Kiev-led Ukrainian government has always (at least for the short 30 years Ukraine has been a country) wanted to “disappear” the Russian decades-long influence) on the Donbass.
If you’ve been observing (not even closely) Kiev has also been “disappearing” many other groups, media, religious, average citizens …throughout all of the Ukraine in the past year.
I was around for the Cuban missile crises. (Maybe you were too.) Kennedy was pissed Russian nukes could be implanted 90 miles away. As Nato continued to infringe on the territorial borders of Russia, Russia became pissed too. What would the US have done if Russia kept the nukes in Cuba?
You probably know all of this but the reality is most US citizens have no knowledge, or for that matter, interest, in the details of the complex relationship between the US and Russia.
A final point: I’m not a fan of China or Russia, but neither of those countries have “broken” as many other countries or individual governments as the US has done in the past 65 years. Our citizens here in the states may not conceptualize this, but the rest of the world does. The US is a bully; a bully pulpit they earned post WW2 and will not relinquish until taken away. So why, if true, do many countries offer acquiesce to the US? The answer is obvious; we pay them in all manners of “currency.”
he is uneducated cnn=bbc induced moron!
it is possible he is not human , but AI bot!
So well stated.
It’s obvious too for anyone that cares to look. In regions where the occupying army is seen as an invader you get lots of covert resistance groups doing destruction (as the US knows only too well from Vietnam, Afghanistan etc). Crimea has had none of that since 2014 so it’s clear the people there welcomed Russia.
I’m also seeing nothing about covert resistance in any of the newly occupied territories either. Maybe there will be eventually but so far nothing which speaks volumes.
=will make your country, culture and language disappear
m$ron. 99pct of ukraine speak russian, and their culture is russian!
history, literature, etc
THERE IS NO A SINGLE UKRAINE AUTHOR IS KNOWN ouside ukraine.
i bet you did read a single book of russian author in whole life.
i guess you have no idea what you are taking about!
All of Eastern Europe was under control of the USSR & Warsaw Pact until relatively recently. INCLUDING East Germany, Poland, The Baltic States. Hungary, Romania, etc, etc.
Nearly ALL of that ended in the last 40 years and they haven’t been invaded since then.
Russia is NOT the USSR. It’s not anywhere near as powerful, Less than half the population and one quarter of the size of the military of the USSR / WP at its height.
Europe is NOT going to let Russia try to create a Major War throughout Europe and the US and NATO will pay a lot less to stop them NOW by supporting Ukraine, than sending Troops into Poland or Germany or other countries Ten Years from now or Twenty Years from now to have to roll back Russian troops, who take Ukraine, the the Baltics or Poland, then Germany.
We DON’T need boots on the ground in any large numbers but letting Ukraine kick the invaders out with weapons supplied is the best way to stop Russian Imperialism. Should have significantly armed Ukraine after the 2014 Russian Incursion. Could have been done much cheaper, more efficiently and Putin likely would NOT have invaded.
Dictators don’t stop until they are stopped.
You mean like at OUR southern border?
“Let’s” = let us. It’s not our call, it’s up to Ukrainian & Russian govs
It’s not possible to negotiate with Putin, he will take what you give him and then do whatever the hell he wants. That Wagner group dude learned that lesson with his life.
?shamrockva? – polish?
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did you mean usa gov or nato?
alx
100%
Hitler made LOTS of Agreements to “keep the peace”…until he BROKE the peace.
Putin, Stalin, Hitler, etc. Stop them early…or it gets WAY worse.
cnn-bbc-mic bot!!
just ignore!
The longer this goes on the wrat the carnage. Hopefully this debacle will be the end of NATO.
“We” have not made enough money yet.
Let’s just bug out.
Cut and run from NATO is best bet.
Somebody who is drinking the “COOL AID” to easily!!!
it is Ai bot, not smart one.
West MSM brags about Ukraine taking 1-2 KM, while the Russians have been advancing 100+KM in areas in the Northeast of Ukraine..
BBC even covered the Russian advances, a week ago, live from Kiev, at the same time trying to spin the BS meter on how well the Ukrainian Counter offensive in the south..
When you hear “LIVE” broadcasts from Ukraine, is different then when they are Pre-RECORDED “NEWS” stories…
The West Press is “CONTROLLED” by the Ukrainian Gov’t, on what they can say..
So every once in a while, something will slip on BBC, and be removed later in their online videos and repeats!!!!
Nonsense. Russia only has a Reverse gear nowadays. They LOST the Kharkiv area, they LOST the city of Kherson, the Russians are now having airfields, ships and ports INSIDE Russia, Crimea and behind Russian occupied Ukraine blown to smitherines with drones, missiles and drone boats.
You don’t LOSE your Top Generals and Officer Corps on purpose, like the Russians keep doing. If you’re not being fed crap by Russian government media, it’s VERY easy to get access to Global Reporting and check the bias on that reporting. Crimea got its Water cut off, their bridges are being destroyed and damaged regularly and those Submarines in Drydock rarely “Spontaneously Combust”.
Time for Putin to cut and Run just like they did after eight years in Afghanistan. Too costly for them in Ukraine and they’ll run out of heavy armor & equipment eventually. Putin will “Declare Victory” and blame the Defense Minister, etc.
Seems like you’re being fed crap from you own rotten government and slurping it up. I’m not worried about Putin. He’s not allowing massive illegal immigration, running up unsustainable debt, trying to start wars with two nuclear armed powers and sexualizing our kids. I’m worried about the idiot in the White House. Joe Biden’s war on the American people continues.
it is bot!
Correcting your error in missing recent history:
“Time for AMERICA to cut and Run just like WE did after years in Afghanistan.”
Just sayin’.
cia bot ! ignore!
=es. They are doing pretty well as is.
wow!! cnnj-bbc troll? simply mor$on?? armchair warrior?
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Ukaine did not free a single square kilometer of Russian-controlled territory before 2022.in crimea or dnr/lnr! Ukraine lost a lot more of territory.
Ukraine lost a whole chunk of land in the south! most fertile land on earth, called black soil!
Ukraine lost access to the Azov Sea totally and access to the Black Sea ports by appointing only the Russian military!
Ukraine lost the biggest nuclear site in Europe (6 reactors)!
Ukraine’s economy was destroyed. It is less than $50 billion in nominal GDP.
Ukraine had 52 million people in 1991, 40 million in 2014, and 28 million before the war. NOW IT IS LESS THAN 20 MIL!
The birth rate is less than 1. It was actually 0.7 in 2022–2023.
Ukraine’s government has a 100 percent revenue-outplays hole; the EU-Western world must send at least $ 40*50 billion per year to pay salaries, because 100 percent of revenues go to the military.
AND THIS AFTER PROBABLY 500-600THOUSAND DEAD AND CRIPPLED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WAR!
Yeah, they are doing okay!
alx
Nonsense Ivan.
Where is the Moskva?
What happened to a majority of Russian Generals near the front lines?
Russia has been losing much of its early gains since the Kharkiv offensive by the Ukrainians. The Kherson City taken back and NOW Crimea is Burning. The Russian fleet getting blown up in Drydock and at anchor. Time for Putin to “Declare Victory” and pull his troops back like the USSR ultimately had to do in Afghanistan. Crimea is worthless without enough water and its canal from the Dnipro River is Bone Dry. Clearly they can’t protect Sevastopol and the Russian Fleet from Drone and Missile attacks.
I was a strategoic retreat. There’s no point leaving troops and materiel exposed to bombardment, when you can just dig in across rivers and in hillsides, and have vision and and solid supply chains.
No amount of breathless wishful thinking is going to change the outcome of this conflict. The Ukraine money-laundering nazi conscripts will flee at the first chance than defend a made up border.
Russia has been “Strategically Retreating” for well over a year. And now has put Crimea squarely into the Danger Zone. Basically everything Russian within 150 miles of the front line is now subject to potential destruction due to StormShadow / Scalp Missiles and many Drones. Crimea has barely three ways in or out by land. All three of those will likely be cut off reliable RE supply by the time Winter hits. Ukraine doesn’t have to actually invade Crimea to cause Russians to leave. Without supplies, including Ammunition, replacement Weapons Systems, Water and Food, the Russian Military can’t survive there.
Ukraine had 52 million people in 1991, 40 million in 2014, and 28 million before the war. NOW IT IS LESS THAN 20 MIL!
The birth rate is less than 1. It was actually 0.7 in 2022–2023.
UKRAINE ALREADY LOST!
=Where is the Moskva?
comparing 6 nuclear reactors costing about $40 bln and 10 years to build
(it was 25% of all electricity generated in ukraine) w/ 40 years old ship can be built in 2-3 years ?
irony is : ouside RUSSIA nobody builds nuclear reactors on scale anymore.
you ARE REALLY A MOR$ON! get lost!
I would be surprised if we don’t already have SF advisers on the ground. They probably have a strict ROE and avoid active engagement. I have no direct knowledge but I was SF for 12 years and worked in countries that would surprise regular Americans. It has been like that for decades and I don’t imagine much has changed. After all it is the SF Primary mission.
You forget that the historic purpose of war is to purge society, just as Russia is doing, sending their prisoners, their misfits, and minorities in their society, to fight and die in Ukraine. Maybe they think we need to purge also.
Tom, the number of down-votes that you are suffering here means that there are at least that many who think we are there for “THE PEOPLE.”
FOLKS: MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX is the reason that America is anywhere, except when we are ATTACKED DIRECTLY, which has not happened YET!
I saw a news program where they interviewed the Chairman of Joint Chief and he said the US was already advising. They have satellites, drones, and I assume radio surveillance and decryption along with other stuff they would never reveal.
Why anyone would need to be physically there is beyond me. Just use Apple’s FaceTime or Microsoft Teams guys.
I will correct your misstatement:
“Why anyone would need to be there AT ALL …. is beyond me.”
We are already in Ukraine. Biden said so months ago. Call them advisors or whatever you will but they are already there. The US is all but pulling the trigger at this point. We are calling the shots. We know it. Russia knows it. The whole world knows it. To pretend we are not is disingenuous.
We are not actively engaged in conflict with our armaments, our intell and our targeting decisions. Someone with Ukrainian passport need only push the button when we tell them to. Trying to be credited with the kill shot of the Cold War?
Major Clipton said it best in Bridge Over the River Kwai:
Madness! Madness!
We are indeed already there and have been there since the start. Lock(heed), stock, and barrel.
It’s only just after noon here but I am quite confident that even in this crazy world this will be the dumbest idea I see today.
Yes, but the Youtube video is great!
Our government is much more trustworthy than it used to be because there are so many more smart people in it making decisions for us than 60 years ago. Anyway, the Russkies are cowards and would never use their nukes, which probably don’t work anyway. This latter argument I’ve seen promoted on X.
My commentt was sarcasm, not that it matters.
I was going to say…
WE THE PEOPLE do NOT support the BIDEN war in ukraine
GET OUT OF UKRAINE you fascist neocons
McCarthy is RIGHT – we’re loading up on debt to send weapons to failed state of ukraine
time to arrest little Z and BIDEN for war crimes
It’s Putins war. Will you also want to arrest Putin for Russia’s war crimes?
Will we arrest Bush, Obama, Cheney, anyone for war crimes?
Because they are all guilty to varying degrees.
No one will arrest anyone for war crimes.
What about Putin? Is he a war criminal in your mind?
Wars are rarely started by anyone who has ever been in a war, and orders that result in war crimes are arguably the same, except with plausible deniability…. “military advisers” cut loose.
Not to mention the immorality and slaughter taking place for which Biden and the obese Nuland are responsible.
No Comrade. Putin owns this mess.
I don’t give a crap if you hate biden or not but let’s not forget that Putin has been invading the neighboring countries as long as he’s been in power.
The USSR left Afghanistan after 8 years of bad attempts to control a hostile territory. The Russians will end up leaving Ukraine even faster because the losses are way more in less than 1/4 the amount of time of the debacle of the USSR in Afghanistan.
=t Putin has been invading the neighboring countries
typical mass media lie! from cia-bbc watching mor$on!
Putin started only one 1 week long war- in Georgia.
and was done according intern. laws to protect peace keepers
in S. Ocetia.
IT IS DOCUMENTTED BY papers in EU. just google one.
tha’s it!
alx
=fghanistan after 8 years of bad attempts to control a hostile territory
another uneducated lie from mo$ronic cia-bba bot!
USSR left afganistan . on any point of invasion USSR controlled more territory than USA during 20 years invasion !
even after army left country, Afgan gov was easily CONTROLLED country!
it it was only after fall of USSR in 1991 , Afgan gov was abanded by new russian gov and fell.
alx
The Russians will end up leaving Ukraine even faster because the losses are way more in less than 1/4 the amount of time of the debacle of the USSR in Afghanistan
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wanna bet?
russia will never leave crimea, or south, or dnr/lnr!
and eventually will take over all upto dnipro river. and cities around balck sea
in 5 years Ukraine will be totally land locked, and locked technically now!
lost access to Azov sea, and not much in Black sea
as far as losses concerns RUSSIANS tend not to pay attention to !
you should open hist book bot and read : hitler, napoloen, karl12 , polish invasion, cirmean war in 19 century,.!
ALL wars ENDED SAME, in 1815 in paris, and in 1945 in berlin!
you should read more!!!!
ps
btw did i mention not single airplen will ever fly in-out Ukraine ! never ever again!!
McCarthy is a RINO.