Should We Accept There are Problems in the World the US Cannot Solve?

Philosophical Question of the Day

Credit Wolfgang Münchau at Eurointelligence for the question. I changed it slightly. He phrased it as EU, not US. 

The Green MEP, Reinhard Bütigkofer, wrote yesterday that Ursula von der Leyen had personally intervened to stop the EU from upgrading its ties with Taiwan. We ourselves would like to know whether this decision was preceded by a phone call from Berlin, or whether the spirit of Angela Merkel is already roaming independently inside the Berlaymont building.

The acting German chancellor said yesterday that it would be damaging for Europe to decouple totally from China. So where do go from here?

[Mish Note: Münchau suddenly shifts the topic to Belarus and the question of an EU Army. What follows is a bit disjointed. I cut a couple of paragraphs but they mostly added to the confusion.]

The build-up of military capability that is currently being discussed in Brussels is not going to change anything, unless the EU agrees how and when to use it, and how to decide. Those conditions are not met. If you do not have a consensus in favour of qualified majority voting in foreign policy, you do not have a consensus to deploy armed forces. Ask yourself: If you had an EU rapid reaction force, would you have dispatched it to the Polish-Belarus border? To do exactly what? Fight refugees? Would you have taken military action against Alexander Lukashenko’s regime? Maybe bomb Minsk airport? We don’t think so.

A rapid reaction force is several steps ahead of what needs to be decided right now. Which is start where Merkel left, with the definition of what constitutes our strategic interest in respect of the two big powers on the Eurasian continent: China and Russia. 

Legitimate commercial interests should be complements by security interests. But do we really want to engage in the China/Taiwan issue? Or should we accept that there are problems in the world the EU cannot, and perhaps should not, get involved in? It would be perfectly plausible for the EU to adopt a narrow foreign policy strategy, based on the defence of commercial, ecological and security interests. That’s already a lot. And if that is so, then surely, Merkel is right that it would be a mistake to decouple from China over Taiwan.

Rapid Reaction Force? Why?

Münchau asks the correct questions. But he left off an important point. Even if there was an EU rapid reaction force, every nation in the EU would have to agree to deploy it.

One of the fundamental problems in the EU is that it takes unanimous consent of 27 nations to do anything that is not explicitly spelled out. And a neither a rapid deployment force nor a European army is spelled out.

It took over a decade of bickering for every nation in the EU to finally agree to a trade deal with Canada.

US Needs to Address the Same Question

Failure to correctly answer that question led to the US losing two wars. The first was Vietnam, the second in Afghanistan.

Neither was our issue and ultimately US voters turned against each war.

But problems go far beyond absurd wars based on lies. 

Trump placed sanctions on Russia and European companies over Nord Stream 2. The result was that Nord Stream was completed anyway, by Russia with help from Merkel. 

If Germany wants to cut a deal with Russia over natural gas, that’s their call, not ours. 

Nord Stream, Taiwan, NATO

Nord Stream was never our battle and we should have stayed out of it. 

Apparently the EU and Germany are at odds over Taiwan. That means the US cannot  count on the EU for coordinated support against China.

So why is it that US taxpayers should foot the bill for soldiers in Germany, Poland, and the EU in general?

Whose battle is it? 

Trump threatened to cut funding for NATO. He also said he would pull all troops from Afghanistan. 

He should have. But he was all talk and no show. 

What About Iran?

The deal we had with Iran was the opposite. Trump unilaterally killed a deal that NATO our European allies, and our own Joint Chief of Staff all said was working.

The EU could have acted against Trump’s sanctions, but didn’t. The EU is totally dysfunctional. 

Regardless, the key question remains for both. 

We made a mess in the Ukraine by foolishly attempting to convert it into a NATO country. 

The wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan speak for themselves. ISIS was a direct result of a foolish attack on Iraq.

None of this meddling ever did the US any good. 

Correct Focus

Whether a problem is solvable or not is actually not the correct focus.

Let’s state the issue in correct terms.

The EU and the US both need to admit there are problems beyond their control in which meddling is likely to make matters worse

For starters, the US cannot afford to be the world’s policeman and should not even try. 

The answers are obvious but don’t expect anyone to listen. 

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Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
One could be forgiven for wondering if there are any major problems facing the world today that the US didn’t have a hand in creating.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Rapid Reaction Force? Why?”
For the same reason we have Standing Armies: To oppress people. And to serve as an excuse to rob said people some more. For anything else, standing armies, not to speak of “rapid reaction forces,” fall somewhere between extremely wasteful and utterly useless.
As a proper, well regulated militia just demonstrated by kicking the tail of near every standing army on the planet combined ganging up on them. While spending approximately one millionth of what that coquetry of clowns playing “officer” with the lives of other people’s children, did.
valpal029
valpal029
4 years ago
No. 
Hey do u ever ask difficult questions too?
blacklisted
blacklisted
4 years ago
When the lockdowns fail to prevent violent protests, as people lose everything, a new EU military will be needed.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
For starters, the US cannot afford to be the world’s policeman and should not even try. “
———
This will never change until the “defense” budget is cut by at least 50%.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty on all counts in Kenosha. Not that surprising. What happens now remains to be seen, I guess. I would expect some bad behavior after dark.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Good. I don’t defend his actions 100%,  but he clearly didn’t deserve to go to jail.
Whatever happens next will be excused because of systemic racism.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
He only killed white guys.  I wouldn’t expect riots.  Now, if he had killed a couple of black dudes…
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
One of the guys he killed is a pedo.  That hits Antifa where it hurts. They’ll riot over this just as they’ve promised to do.
blacklisted
blacklisted
4 years ago
Just as with coronadoom and gloBull warming, you are looking at this from the completely wrong angle.  Everything is manufactured to achieve the psychotic goals of the WEF, Soros, and Gates.  The EU army is not for external threats. It is to crush the inevitable revolution of the people against their govt’s. So far, only the Austrian military/police have sided with their people over these insane lockdowns and jab mandates.
“Defunding the police” and mandating the jab for the military and police is intended to make sure the govt has obedient forces to carry out their unconstitutional actions. The Capital Police, which is controlled by the Speaker of the House (Comrad Nancy), is being expanded and deployed in strategic cities around the US.  The Capital Police answer only to Nancy. 
As in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, American’s are at war with their govt, which are controlled by foreigners (Soros, Schwab, UN, IMF, BIS, etc), and funded by traitors, like Bill Gates. The globalists are trying to keep the focus off of them with their race propaganda to divide and conquer.  The past World War’s were orchestrated by the cabal of globalists for their needs.  This war is totally different, as it’s the people against the globalists, and the globalists know it.  The people need to be made aware of what’s afoot, NOW!  Unlike the previous wars, where the puppet leaders announced “we are at war”, this time they are dead silent and secretive about their intentions, for the logical reason – the majority do not want green communism or the manipulated reduction of the population.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  blacklisted
As crazy as it sounds, what you wrote makes more logical sense than what the media portrays.
I don’t think racism, Jan 6, Climate Change etc… are used as tools to divide us. Rather they’re used as a reason to defend their actions.
GeorgeWP
GeorgeWP
4 years ago
Reply to  blacklisted
Yep it the globalists, corporate capitalism and their political cronies working together with green communism. That makes sense.
You are way off if you think the divisions in US society can apply to the other countries you mention. There is a US influenced nutters in Aust and NZ, but it is 3-5%. Not the maybe 30% as in the US. Europe of course has a proud tradition of fascists which do seem to be growing, but still less than 10% in most places. The US destabilisation of the Ukraine has given them a boost up in that country .
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

The EU sees itself crushed between the United States and
China and hasn’t a clue about what to do about it. The EU as a whole is non-existent
diplomatically and militarily. They do have some clout economically which is in
reality the reason of its existence. The military side is taken care of by NATO
and even if there is a lot of birching, in general all parties are glad it
exists. Each country in the EU has widely different economic interests and
their stance vis-à-vis China depends upon how much they sell to it. Germany is clearly wanting to become a type of giant Switzerland selling anything they want to anybody. France wants to use the EU to back its ambitions to the south and in the Pacific. Eastern Europe wants not to be under the Russian heel again. All the other countries are just along for the ride. The UK finally decided they couldn’t deal with these clowns anymore and got their freedom. Germany and Merkle believe that they should be calling the shots but frankly the peoples who make up the continent don’t really trust each other much. These peoples have been fighting for their national identities for a thousand years or more and are not ready to give up now. The US for them is a popular scapegoat but is also part of the glue that keeps them from being at each other’s throats. We now have 64,000 soldiers there. In 1985 we had 300,00 so we are not exactly occupying the place. We have 135,000 in Asia for obvious reasons. I guess the question is not whether we should withdraw from the world but more how much can we afford to pull back to without risk. The answer to that is not much. We are pretty much at a sustainable minimum now and not into the imperial overreach problem. In the 1950 for example defence spending was 7.5 percent. We are now far below that.

The number of soldiers we have overseas is close to a 60 year low.
In all we are much less militarized than before and our footprint is lighter. In a sense one could argue that we have already withdrawn and are at the reasonable level. 
The EU will continue to bitch, NATO will continue to exist and allies when not feeling directly menaced will spend the less they  can. Business as usual.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Well said.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Some questions that are also asked outside USA: will USA succeed in solving its own problems ? How ? civil war ? secessions ?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Traditionally when things get this bad we start a war somewhere. 
amigator
amigator
4 years ago
Unequivocally Yes!
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
As a nation it seems we use our military to “ liberate and establish democracies” in  countries to provide a safe environment for our corporations to thrive.  
China / russia tend to go in and bribe local officials etc.  
 
To some degree a version of socialize debt privatize profits.    
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Where have we ever liberated and established a democracy?
That’s the cover we use for destroying a country because we don’t agree with their politics.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

Didnt say it worked.  

StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“Where have we ever liberated and established a democracy?”
Western Europe and Japan, I suppose.
Or, maybe not. 
Regardless, it makes no difference. Wasting lives and resources attempting to Liberate and establishing democracies, are not one of legitimate government’s enumerate powers. Even if it somehow did work occasionally, it’s still the wrong thing to do.
amigator
amigator
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
Interesting in the late 50’s Iran elected a a democratic president which we initiated a coup to take hime out and put in the Shaw.  In that case we had to get rid of Democracy and install the our guy.   
If we did that in the 50’s what do you think we are doing now?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  amigator
We did more or less the same thing in Vietnam, fwiw. Vietnam voted to go communist…..we prevented the transfer of power.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
We prevent the transfer of power in any country we don’t agree with the result. We’ve done it in Venezuela and are currently doing it in Nicaragua. That’s just recent ones and doesn’t include plenty of others in the past few years in the Middle East.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  amigator

Agreed.  Bad choice of words.  Prob should have said the idea is sold to the people.  Type of government installed is whatever benefits  the business interest.   

KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
There’s an old saying that the 9 most terrifying words are ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help’. I think Reagan said it.
If you’re a foreign leader, You can replace this with ‘I’m from the US government and I’m here to help’
We go into countries like Syria and Libya completely uninvited and solve problems that don’t exist and no one ever asked us to solve by completely destroying the countries. And people like Hillary Clinton think it’s funny.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Mish,
I think you’re confusing Gazprom with Nordstream 2. Nordstream 2 is the pipeline that the US opposed. Gazprom is the company supplying the gas. Although I’m sure the US also opposes the existence of Gazprom.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yes I did mean Nordstream 2
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Ah thats because it competition with us suppliers.    
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
It’s because we prefer the gas to go through Ukraine. They paid key politicians a lot of money to think that way.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
More importantly, the planned East Med pipeline Netanyahu was promoting back then.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
The US has always been on a mission … there is never a sensible limit to one’s radius of action when the cover is evangelical zeal by god’s chosen.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
He should have. But he was all talk and no show. 
The President is a figurehead. The deep subterranean currents in the national security state determine everything, directly or indirectly (propaganda, leaks, intel, blackmail, bureaucracy, etc etc).
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
If the president is a figurehead, U.S. troops would still be in Afghanistan. Lindsey Grahm got apoplectic every time Trump talked about pulling troops out of Syria. Trump was talked out of it, but he wasn’t following orders, in doing so.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
No. The deep state has lots of currents, and they were not united on Afghanistan.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
The way it works is that the president has advisors, however the president makes the decision. Upon the Cuban missile crisis, the generals wanted to invade Cuba. JFK nixed the idea. Trump was going to drop some bombs or missiles on Iran after they shot down a U.S. drone. Trump called it off at the last minute.
njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Yes, let’s move more and more into the direction that the only problems we need to attempt to solve should be the problems that afflict the most wealthy and powerful.
What Is Learned Helplessness?

Learned helplessness occurs when an animal is repeatedly subjected to an aversive stimulus that it cannot escape. Eventually, the animal will stop trying to avoid the stimulus and behave as if it is utterly helpless to change the situation. Even when opportunities to escape are presented, this learned helplessness will prevent any action.

While the concept is strongly tied to animal psychology and behavior, it can also apply to many situations involving human beings.

When people feel that they have no control over their situation, they may begin to behave in a helpless manner. This inaction can lead people to overlook opportunities for relief or change.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
In human history this helplessness has always sooner or later resulted in rebellion. History is just a chronicle of rebellions successful or not. As a species we are not tame even now. 
davidyjack
davidyjack
4 years ago

While the US cannot and should not try and solve every problem in the world (or even most), the US does to need participate in making the world a better place.   

whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
LOL.   Like it did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia…  ??!!
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
Why?  If people in some other country want a better life, let them fight their own revolutions.
GeorgeWP
GeorgeWP
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
That would be nice. The US was in a position for perhaps a 100 years to influence the world, but setting standards and acting accordingly. It could have made a huge difference for good if it lived up to it’s rhetoric. Instead it was almost exclusively focused on it’s own short term political and economic interest. So is rightly seen as an untrustworthy hypocrite. I doubt that outside of the white Anglosphere any nations see any moral difference between the US, China and Russia
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“For starters, the US cannot afford to be the world’s policeman and should not even try.”
Amen.
Re Taiwan … since it will become quite relevant soon.  Their government approved a FY2022 defense budget of … wait for it … not quite $17 billion.  2% of GDP.
No way US personnel should be placed in Harm’s Way when Taiwan doesn’t seem to care.
davidyjack
davidyjack
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Western democracies should make it very clear to China that if they invade Taiwan then there will be severe economic consequences.  Including ending all non essential trade with Chinia for at least 20 years (or until democracy is established in China).  Western countries should NOT go to war with Chinia over Taiwan.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
“… make it very clear to China that if they invade Taiwan then there will be severe economic consequences.  Including ending all non essential trade with Chinia for at least 20 years…”

What a joke!   After 40 years of trade deals under Reaganomics, the manufacturing and even agricultural sectors have been decimated in the US.   Ever tried buying a pack of nails at the hardware store that was not made in China?!   Hell, even soup kitchens, where people get the barest minimum to just survive, are dependent on supply chains that go all the way back to China!   

China is almost literally the hand that feeds the US.  Bite that hand and the consequences aren’t gonna be pleasant!

KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
True, but the agricultural sector in the US is doing great. We export way more food than we import.
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Wait until their tractors break and the only part that can fix it is in China
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
We would suffer more than they if we stopped trading with them. And I’m not sure Japan and Korea would go along. They might not want to risk invasion themselves.
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
4 years ago
Germany is heavily dependent on China. They will put money before all else. If the treatment of minorities in China is as believed, there is no excuse to support the regime.
The strength of the German Industrial/Automotive complex to determine EU policy attitudes is the problem.
Some things are just plain wrong and shouldn’t have a blind eye turned to them.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
“None of this meddling ever did the US any good. “

Wrong.  It did a lot of good for weapons manufacturers, mercenary contractors, oil companies and their ilk.  They are the only ones that matter.   

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
And why do these groups/people matter more?  Because they are the ones that are willing to pump more money into politicians campaign coffers.  
If you want to fix this problem, then you’d have to take the money out of politics.  Which means 100% public funding of all elections, prohibition against contributions to politicians of greater than some small number, like $500, a severely shortened campaign timeframe to perhaps no more than 2-3 months and forbidding politicians advertising on TV or in newspapers.
Chance of all or any of this ever happen?  ZERO.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
But, but….. it contradicts the narrative that globalism is the answer to all mankind’s problems. lol.
I think the geopolitical pendulum is swinging toward the US becoming less involved in foreign meddling, which I agree would be a damn good idea. It might take a while for the tide to turn.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The only place I ever hear that narrative is from people with their undies all bunched about it. Globalism is another imaginary hobgoblin ginned up by adrenaline addicts to get their rage fix.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I fall somewhere in the middle on that argument. I don’t rant about global cabals that are designed to achieve certain social and economic objectives, but I recognize that such powerful interests do exist. I recommend reading the late Carroll Quigley for some perspective.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Build Back Better is the slogan of the World Economic Forum. Globalism isn’t an imaginary hobgoblin.

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