Social Security is Running Out of Time and Money, What Do Biden and Trump Propose?

Biden and Trump Pledge to Do Nothing

Please consider the Biden-Trump Plan to Cut Social Security

  • Joe Biden: “I guarantee you I will protect Social Security and Medicare without any change. Guaranteed,” the president said in March. 
  • Donald Trump: “I will do everything within my power not to touch Social Security, to leave it the way it is.” A pro-Trump super PAC launched an ad attacking Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for his efforts as a member of Congress to restructure benefits.

While Trump promised to not touch SS, Biden said he would protect SS “without any change“.

Biden’s “guarantee” is impossible, by existing law. 

The pledge to not change a thing means automatic benefit cuts starting in 2033 according to the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO). 

CBO’s 2022 Long-Term Projections for Social Security

Inquiring minds may wish to consider the CBO’s 2022 Long-Term Projections for Social Security

Social Security’s Finances, With Payable Benefits. CBO projects that if Social Security outlays were limited to what is payable from annual revenues after the trust funds’ exhaustion in 2033.

The Social Security Funding Problem

The Heritage Organization discusses Benefit Cuts of 23%—and 4 Other Things to Know About the Government’s New Social Security Projections

  • Social Security has a spending problem. Social Security started out as a 2% tax, and the program promised to never take more than 6% of workers’ paychecks. Today, it takes 12.4%, and even that falls far short of the program’s ever-rising costs. The CBO projects that Social Security’s costs will increase by 42% over the next 75 years as its revenues remain stable. Protecting Social Security requires reining in its excessive cost growth.
  • Inaction means benefit cuts of 23% beginning in 2033. Current law requires that Social Security benefits come from within the program, so once the trust fund runs dry, Social Security will only be able to pay as much in benefits as it receives in taxes. That will mean a roughly $5,000 cut in annual benefits for a typical retiree and about $4,000 less for the average disability beneficiary. No one—not even 98-year-olds—will be exempt from these cuts.
  • Anyone who is 56 years old or younger today won’t receive a full benefit. Anyone who is 56 or younger today will not reach Social Security’s normal retirement age of 67 before the program runs out of money. And anyone who is currently between the ages of 57 and 107 today who is still alive and collecting benefits in 2033 will also be subject to benefit cuts.
  • Younger workers have the most to lose. If policymakers fail to act and benefit cuts begin in 2033, the CBO estimates that people born in the 1960s will experience a 19% reduction in their lifetime benefits, those born in the 1970s will experience a 26% reduction, and those born in the 1980s and 1990s will experience a 27% reduction. Research from The Heritage Foundation shows that Social Security is an especially raw deal for younger workers who have to put their money into a broken system instead of into savings accounts that would generate positive returns. The average worker could have three times as much retirement income if they had been able to own and invest their Social Security taxes—and even the lowest-income workers could have 40% more.
  • Preventing insolvency through tax increases would require a 17.3% payroll tax. The CBO says that maintaining Social Security’s scheduled benefits for the next 75 years would require an immediate increase in Social Security’s payroll tax, from 12.4% to 17.3%. This would mean $12,250 in Social Security taxes for the median household that has about $71,000 of income. Adding in Medicare and federal and state income taxes would bring the median household’s marginal tax rate to about 48%.

Social Security Expansion Act: $33.8 Trillion Tax 

Biden cannot up payroll taxes without breaking his pledge to not hike taxes on anyone making less than $400,000. 

Nonetheless, Democrats concocted a $33.8 trillion tax scheme called the Social Security Expansion Act.

New or Increased Benefits

  1. A Large and Permanent Benefit Increase for all Social Security Recipients Beginning in 2024. 
  2. Application of a Narrow Inflation Measure that Results in Larger Cost-of-Living Adjustments (COLAs). 
  3. An Increase in the Special Minimum Benefit. 
  4. Continuation of Children’s Benefits Through Age 22, Instead of the Current Age 18.

New Taxes 

  1. Raising and Then Eliminating Social Security’s Payroll Tax Cap. Currently, Social Security’s 12.4 percent tax rate applies to the first $160,200 of workers earnings. The Social Security Expansion Act would add Social Security’s 12.4 percent tax to all earnings above $250,000 without any increase in benefits for the newly taxed earnings.
  2.  A New 12.4 Percent Investment Surtax. The Expansion Act would add a 12.4 percent surtax to investment income of individuals making over $200,000 and married couples making over $250,000. In addition to the current 3.8 percent Obamacare surtax and the top 20 percent marginal tax rate, this would raise the top rate on long-term dividends and capital gains from 23.8 percent to 36.2 percent, and the top federal rate on interest income and short-term capital gains from 40.8 percent to 53.2 percent. Combined with state and local capital gains tax rates, the top rate would reach 68 percent.
  3. A New 16.2 Percent Tax on Small Business Owners. Currently, S-corporations, limited partnerships, and other businesses that file taxes as “pass-through entities” (which pay taxes at the individual level and not at the corporate level) are subject to these Social Security, Medicare, and Obamacare taxes only on the salaries and certain compensation paid to employees or owners (and only up to the current taxable max for Social Security), but not on owners’ share of the active business income, which carries more inherent risk. The Social Security Expansion Act would impose a new, 16.2 percent “net investment income” surtax on all such entrepreneurial profits of these business owners above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for married couples.

The bill is sponsored by Senators Bernie Sanders (I–VT) and Elizabeth Warren (D–MA), along with Representatives Jan Schakowsky (D–IL) and Val Hoyle (D–OR).

Social Security Expansion Act Is Only a Fraction of the Progressive Agenda

The Social Security Expansion Act’s $33.8 trillion in tax hikes over the next 75 years would only cover a small portion of progressives’ socialist agenda. Providing other things—like Medicare for all, free college, a universal basic income, and the “Green New Deal”—would cost roughly another $50 trillion to $90 trillion over just 10 years.

The Social Security Expansion Act is a big step toward Bernie Sanders’s mathematically impossible and economically inconceivable socialist agenda. As history repeatedly demonstrates, socialist governments depress economic output and consign everyone but the ruling elite to drastically lower standards of living.

How to Preserve Social Security’s Purpose and Strengthen Workers’ and Retirees’ Futures

Policymakers should preserve Social Security’s original intent by gradually shifting toward a universal benefit. That would mean slowly ratcheting up benefits for lower earners and reducing benefits for higher earners so that by the time workers just entering the labor force today retire, they will receive the same flat Social Security benefit (based on years of work instead of earnings) and it will keep more people out of poverty. 

Combining a universal benefit with other commonsense changes like using a more accurate inflation index and increasing Social Security eligibility age and indexing it to life expectancy would make Social Security solvent for the long run and allow a roughly 20 percent reduction in Social Security’s tax rate to 10.1 percent. 

Researchers with the Penn Wharton Budget Model analyzed a proposal similar to the Heritage Foundation’s that would do a better job of targeting Social Security benefits.

In addition to commonsense changes to preserve Social Security’s purpose and ensure its solvency, policymakers should incorporate a wealth-building option within Social Security. Workers should have the choice to put part of their Social Security taxes into an account that they own, that can generate large positive returns over time, and that can be passed on to their families. Research by Heritage Foundation analysts shows that if individuals were able to put their Social Security taxes into their own retirement accounts, workers at all income levels would have far more in retirement than Social Security will provide.

 A middle-income man, for example, would have three times as much income in retirement from a personal account than from what Social Security will provide.

 Under this option, anyone who wants to remain in the current Social Security system without a wealth-building account would be free to do so.

Instead of raising taxes like Biden wants to do but lies about it, or genuinely pledging to do nothing like Trump for political expediency, are there any adults in the room willing to have an honest look at badly needed reforms?

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Dcornett
Dcornett
2 years ago
If they were to take the FRAUD out of Social Security system they would have more money than they know what to do with!!!
What a travesty, I see people working in construction and concrete services working under the table while collecting “disability” payments. The stuff people are able to claim as disabilities are completely insane. Time was you had to be unable to perform any work. It seems you can get approved for having a turd stuck in your butt today, and they wonder why the program is broke, give me a break!
grazzt
grazzt
2 years ago
I’m just disappointed National Defense spending wasn’t setup the same as Social Security. Could you see the headlines: ‘Oh no, the Defense Trust Fund will run out of money in x years and spending will need to be automatically cut by 23%’.
How would we ever solve that issue?
Hansa Junchun
Hansa Junchun
2 years ago
People won’t pay attention to social security failure because (1) medicare/medicaid goes bust in 2025 and (2) the plummeting life expectancy of Americans will push off the 2033 doomsday, perhaps indefinitely.
Jeff Dog
Jeff Dog
2 years ago
Joe Biden hasn’t yet lied about the taxes. If any of those new taxes make it to his desk and he signs, then yes that is a big broken promise. People want social security fixed, but want other people to pay the taxes for it.
klausmkl
klausmkl
2 years ago
America is a failing Nation and we are living in it’s ending. There is no such thing as any social security. Just Look around, the Law of the Jungle reigns in many states and cities.
Retirement will soon become a thing of the past like, Radio Shack, the Pet Rock and all sorts of other stupid things which ran their course. We the People have done this to OUR NATION.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
2 years ago
Mish,
SSI is already bust. All the money in the SSI trust fund has already been spent and replaced with IOUs. Thus, the deficits in SSI are coming from general revenues.
jiminy
jiminy
2 years ago
The nuclear fix. Raise retirement to 90, then only 2% will collect and for less than ten years.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  jiminy
Or do the Logan’s Run thing.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The river test:
Every Spring on the vernal equinox, everyone in town over 65 gathers down by the river.
At noon they all begin swimming to the opposite shore.
Then they immediately swim back.
Those that don’t make it back become a problem for the next town downstream.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
The universal benefit part I am slowly coming around to.
But I would like to add, and apologize if I missed it, but the program is already skewed to benefit the lower wage earner and I did not see that mentioned.
The wages are indexed for inflation through age 59, until it hits SS wage cap for that year, Then there are bend points involved that reduce the benefit for the higher earner. Someone that made 4 times what I made does not get 4 times the benefit, probably closer to 2 3/4 , max
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
2 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
The second bend point only gives a benefit increase of 15% of the increase in earnings.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
Agreed….But at least it is trying to be a “Social Program”… Lots of complaints by people all over the place but in reality the program how it was setup is superb. Sure it can and should be tweeked, I like that they do not allow file and suspending your benefit anymore for people born in 1954 forward. that was a bit of an abuse not factored in i am sure when setup…
radar
radar
2 years ago
Why not start RMD the same year you start SS instead of 72? That would force folks who have tax deferred savings to start using them right away.
Will Hart
Will Hart
2 years ago
It seems like many people’s answer is “simply” to “get rich”. I’m guessing they still want their garbage picked up, their kids taught at school, and medical staff such as nurses, respiratory therapists, lab technicians, etc., available if they get sick and end up in the hospital. As a retired RN, my family is okay, but far from rich. I’m also guessing these people gripe about the cost of medical care, as well as everything else. If you expect people to be okay in retirement, you have to pay them a wage that’s high enough for them to survive, and to have enough left over to save that will eventually grow into a large enough nest egg for retirement.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Will Hart
Most people have no perception of objective reality, or even know what it is.
klausmkl
klausmkl
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You do though, right?
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
2 years ago
Opinion: France is having a pension crisis. Why isn’t Canada? – The Globe and Mail (archive.ph)
France is having a pension crisis. On Thursday, in advance of a decision from the country’s constitutional court, protesters piled mounds of garbage in front of the building. It’s the latest memorable visual from weeks of marches, protests and strikes that have swept the country since President Emmanuel Macron announced plans to raise the retirement age.
The United States is also having a pension crisis, though quietly and in slow motion. Republicans have long advocated averting calamity by cutting, gutting or privatizing the national pension plan known as Social Security; Democrats propose the opposite, namely higher benefits paid for by higher premiums. American politics being what it is, there’s been no agreement, so the Social Security continues to wend its gentle way toward the iceberg. The Congressional Budget Office says that unless premiums are raised, the deficit is increased or taxpayers kick in cash, pension benefits will have to shrink 23 per cent by 2033.
And Canada? Canada is not having a pension crisis. You may not have noticed. “Absence of Crisis Expected to Continue Indefinitely, Experts Say” is not a headline we tend to put on the front page.
But back in the 1990s, Canada was headed for a crisis. The Canada Pension Plan (and the parallel Quebec Pension Plan) had been created three decades earlier, and like most public pensions they were built on a pay-as-you-go model. CPP premiums deducted from workers’ paycheques paid retirees’ pensions, and once you retired, the next generation of workers would pay your pension. The CPP was a chain of intergenerational IOUs.
That’s how the French public pension works, which is one of the reasons it’s in trouble. U.S. Social Security is the same story. With fewer births and longer lifespans, the ratio of workers to pensioners has been steadily climbing. In 1960, 8 per cent of Canadians were seniors. By 2021, the figure was 19 per cent. In France, it’s 21 per cent.
An aging population doesn’t have to be a crisis. But choosing to do nothing in response – leaving pension premiums and pensions benefits unchanged, despite changing circumstances – is guaranteed to produce a crisis. It’s just arithmetic.
In the 1990s, then-Finance Minister Paul Martin and his provincial counterparts chose to face the arithmetic. They gradually doubled CPP premiums, to ensure that promised pensions would be paid, today and tomorrow. To make that possible, a large chunk of premiums now go into a savings account. The Canada Pension Plan Investment Board manages the growing pile, which at the start of this year stood at $536-billion. Your premiums today partly fund your retirement tomorrow.
The math adds up. According to the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions’ chief actuary, expected pension payouts from the CPP are sustainable as far as the eye can see.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
2 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
And a couple of decades after the Martin reforms, another federal finance minister – Bill Morneau – pushed through a modest increase in pension benefits, paid for by a modest rise in premiums. Canada has one of the least generous public pension systems; it was only designed to deliver a pension worth one-quarter of the average salary. The Morneau reforms will gradually raise that to one-third of the average salary, while also slightly increasing the maximum income – it’s $66,600 this year – subject to CPP premiums.
So is there any bad news in the Canadian picture? Yes. It’s Old Age Security. It’s a “pension” that nearly all seniors receive – 7.4-million of them this year. There are no premiums. All funds come from general tax revenues.
The chief actuary expects OAS spending to rise to $107.2-billion by 2030 from $69.5-billion in 2022. Part of that is driven by a rising number of seniors, and part is driven by real need: roughly a quarter of OAS spending goes to the Guaranteed Income Supplement, which keeps the poorest seniors out of poverty.
But some of the rising spending has to do with an inequitable vote-buying move from the Trudeau government. That’s layered on top of the long-standing inequity of giving OAS to wealthy retirees.
In 2021, the Liberals promised to increase OAS pensions by 10 per cent for people the age of 75 and older. The chief actuary says that, compared with previous estimates, OAS spending will be $4-billion a year higher by 2030. There’s no justification for this 10 per cent top up, other than that seniors vote, and governments like to get re-elected.
Then there’s the thing Ottawa has consistently failed to do: focus the OAS on low-income seniors. A couple with a combined income of $160,000 can still get a full OAS payment, with no clawback. Even couples earning up to $260,000 can get some OAS. Given that most of the taxpayers funding those cheques earn far less, and that in any case OAS is supposed to be an anti-poverty measure, it makes no sense.
A lower OAS clawback threshold plus an end to bonus payments for older seniors would save Ottawa a lot of money. Depending on where the line is drawn, we’re talking anywhere from billions of dollars a year to tens of billions of dollars. That would free up resources for higher priority areas: health care, child care, and higher GIS payments for the poorest seniors.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Is it me, but I just laugh when i think retire at 62? and do what exactly? Maybe I need to get a life. But I enjoy what I am doing, I am not doing hard core manual labor… There will never be enough new workers paying in to finance that….
And France with all its excess social programs and welfare programs, and the immigrants coming in, that go on those programs, do they really think that is feasable?
They are destroying their own country by wanting this and I do not feel sorry for them one bit
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  LPCONGAS99
Destroying your country seems to be a popular pastime in Liberal Democracies.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
wasn’t SS originally an insurance program for living too long past actuarially age at the time. it morphed into a retirement savings program. i took it the minute i was eligible at 62. imagine if they made it again actuarially just for really old people. 80 or something.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
“Social Security Expansion Act Is Only a Fraction of the Progressive Agenda”
Klaus plans for us to own nothing and be happy. All the fractions of the agenda will add up to that.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Pee Wee Herman plans to get his bike back. This has exactly the same effect on my life as Klaus’ plan.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Santa Klaus?
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
It would pretty easy to tax investors on unrealized capital gains.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Exactly, when do you measure those unrealized capital gains? Do you include all assets… stocks, bonds, real estate…. intellectual property?
What about tax deductions for unrealized capital losses? Fair is fair.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Then to pay the taxes on the unrealized capital gains you have to sell something, so now you have realized capital gains or losses, which messes up the first calculation…
It sounds simpler than it is. Appraisers of real property would love it, everything would have to be appraised every year between January and April.
Avery
Avery
2 years ago
Close about 500 of the military bases in foreign countries.
No government unions, no government pensions.
No corporate subsidies.
Matt3
Matt3
2 years ago
Social Security has morphed from a retirement supplement (meant to eliminate elderly poverty) to a welfare program. It’s a lousy deal for people that actually work all their life. That’s why Congress is exempt for the program.
I don’t accept the premise that the government wants to solve this problem or any others. The goal is to overwhelm the system. Same goal with unchecked immigration that gives away benefits.
To paraphrase Friedman, you can either have open borders or a welfare system. You can’t have both.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
2 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Something tells me today’s progressives want their cake and to eat it too.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Todays conservatives look like they have.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I want extensively buttered guns.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
“That means huge cuts in benefits are on the horizon.”
You know full well that is not going to happen. As the point of no return gets closer, additional taxes will be passed as necessary to keep the programs solvent.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Somebody IS GOING TO SEE THEIR BENEFITS CUT. That’s a fact! This group is most likely the rich. As such, the taxable income limit will be raised significantly sometime in the next 5-8 years. The limit goes up about $6K a year, so in 10 years, it will be around $225K if absolutely nothing is done. I could easily see Congress raising the limit to at least $500K but only give recipients above a certain income level 80% of their benefits.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
[Shrug] That works also. Many ways to skin a cat.
My point is again, the cat WILL get skinned. The majority of people will not suffer any loss of benefits.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Maybe. Or maybe they just devalue the dollar via inflation or other means and give you the promised amount but it only buys 3/4 of what it does today. You meet the letter of the agreement but get 25% cut.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
You know this how? Taxes are problematic. Generally, if you tax something, you get less of it. If you subsidize something, you get more of it.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“That means huge cuts in benefits are on the horizon.”
The important thing to remember is that we live on an approximate sphere and the horizon never gets any closer.
LawrenceBird
LawrenceBird
2 years ago
The easiest way is to just raise the taxable base from 160K to 1M, potentially scaling the tax rate lower as it nears 1M. Whatever gets the math to all work. As with infrastructure, the problems all existed and were known long before now but our great politicans continued to kick the can down the road until the last moment.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  LawrenceBird
Always the same answer–tax the rich. Eventually, it becomes tax the middle class.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  LawrenceBird
It’s only a fraction of the needed money.
Mish ran a similar article a couple months ago with a link to a site where you could adjust various things to make up the shortfall (it was a fun exercise). Doing what you suggested only got part way there. To get there fully you needed to do other things like raise taxes or lower benefits or raise the retirement age and so on. There were like 20 levers you could move to balance it all out. He should have linked to that site again.
Dean2020
Dean2020
2 years ago
Politician long term solution: continue the march towards complete socialization but expedite it as conditions deteriorate more quickly due to compounded failed policies. We need another black swan event to usher in more government control and move to the next tier of socialism. The fourth quarter of this year is aligning well with this.
Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
2 years ago
If you are going to move some social security money into the stock market be sure to strengthen the SEC to clamp down on crooks. None of this “rely on the markets to self-police” nonsense.
Meanwhile I already get another “shares” on Facebook telling me Social Security and Medicare are not entitlements as we paid into them.
PapaDave
PapaDave
2 years ago
Better to build your wealth so you don’t have to rely on SS. Consider it a bonus if you do get something.
Or you could waste your time complaining about it.
I choose to get wealthy.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
What do you call complaining about complainers, other than a waste of time?
I don’t brag about what I do, or advise how ‘to get wealthy.’ I learned that lesson a long time ago, from someone who was very wealthy.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
The gov raid in on other people bank accounts to bail out failing banks and people on SNAP, borrowing, piling on them debt, without their knowledge and permission, to pacify volatility, because angry people in financial distress can protest in the streets and…
Jmurr
Jmurr
2 years ago
Reply to  8dots
If all Americans under 56 knew how bad they are and will be getting fleeced, there would be protests in DC like they are in France. It’s bad enough to pay into a system all of your life that you will never see one penny in return. What’s worse is that my taxes will increase over the next ten years so that some boomer will keep getting his or her check.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
The good news is you will likely die in WW3.
Jmurr
Jmurr
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I always wanted to go out in a blaze of glory!
KS Farm Boy
KS Farm Boy
2 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
“you will never see one penny in return.”
Wrong: you will see a few pennies in return – after inflation.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Won’t be a problem in countries where private ownership of firearms is prohibited.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
The CPI will not go down in a straight line. The buying climax was 9%. The response might be 3%/4%. Inflation might be elastic for years, spiking inside, above and below the trading range. Economist should draw a quick moving(X)) average and a slower one(Y), comparing the current CPI with a backward CPI (Y) periods behind to the left, not Y/Y.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
Next year COLA might rise by 3%/4% before deductions, deflating in real terms. Every year, In the next few years, COLA might range between zero and 5% engineered to decay, before deductions. Higher inflation will increase nominal wages. The IRS divisions will collect more taxes and fine more people. SS will not go broke. SS will deflate in real terms, unless we enter a severe recession. SNAP will deflate,
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
2 years ago
Reply to  8dots
SNAP is a really sweet deal for the large financial institutions that get the contract. Can’t upset the corporate welfare system.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
How to fix SNAP… Healthy foods only. Nothing pre-cooked.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Where’s the profit in that? HFC makes food pay!
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Add alcohol and tobacco to SNAP and stop discriminating against poor colored folks.
A Dose of Reality 5
A Dose of Reality 5
2 years ago
*Workers should have the choice to put part of their Social Security taxes into an account that they own, that can generate large positive returns over time, and that can be passed on to their families.*
The above works for me. Much too logical. Much to beneficial for the individual. How can lazy groups profit from my hard work? Those that are OWED for simply having been born. They should travel the 3rd world for a bit.
It may end up something like Greenspan said so long ago. I am paraphrasing. ‘You will get all your money but its purchasing power will be diminished.’.
Doing it that way would placate the masses. They wouldn’t know any better. The larger number would be accepted.
An automatic 20 to 25% SS cut may even inspire a US protest and election shifts but then again as history is being rewritren and the zoomers are trained to expect more for less our currency will simply lose value when compared to commodities such as gold, real-estate and food. Of course it would be politically easy to just let it happen.
Which other world currency will be the transitory winner?
Or will all the world’s currencies devaluate against gold and real estate or energy?
All currencies have the same problem. It’s creation is controlled by those that irresponsibly print it so as to be worth less but not worthless.
I do see speculation into bitcoin continuing with large price swings until the world’s governments decide to regulate it. Too many mutual fund complexes creating funds to ‘invest’ in it. Pump and dump to the masses.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
If I remember correctly, this was the Bush plan to fix Soc. Security. Democraps destroyed it–they need voters to be ‘entitled’ and ‘obligated.’
RyanL
RyanL
2 years ago
We could look to Australias superannuation model with actual private accounts that aren’t the complete and total carnival fraud rip off social security is. It’s actually one of the few sensible policies coming out of Australia, and we ignore it. Instead we get all enthusiastically erotic about their gun control and covid totalitarianism.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  RyanL
We already have that. It’s called a 401K plan or a IRA etc.
Private accounts are subject to market fluctuations. Social Security is not. If you get a lost decade, what are those private accounts supposed to do?
Matt3
Matt3
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Still could have a private account restricted to solely invest in treasuries. A laddered portfolio. Or Just TIPS. Less risk and more return than the current system.
The downside to this is limited control and power for government, Therefore, it will never happen.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
If you can only invest in treasuries then how is it any different than social security which is doing just what you propose?
The advantage of social security is that there is just 1 big account for everyone and wall street is not getting a piece of it. If you go to individual accounts you have to manage millions of them (each individually of course) and more importantly, wall street gets a piece of everyone of them every time you buy or sell anything in your account via their fees.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  RyanL
It is easy to make money in a rising market. What if, at sometime in the near future, Australian asset prices collapse? Those ‘Super’ funds will drop in value.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Funny you would mention that.
I’m still trying to understand why in the 1970s I didn’t anticipate years and years of bank interest rates under 0.25%
conservativeprof
conservativeprof
2 years ago
I am not sure why Mish writes an article full of economic fallacies. He is a smart, well-reasoned person, but this article repeats the misinformation about Social Security and more broadly government spending.
Social Security is in no worse or better condition than any other government program. I can make an argument that Social Security is in better shape, but this argument detaches SS from the rest of government spending. Unlike most other government programs, SS has two funding sources, SS payroll taxes and income taxes on SS benefits (effectively benefit reductions). SS also has a COLA at least partially offset by the increase in the wage cap.
As Mish understands, the Trust Fund has no economic significance. The Trust Fund has no assets, never has, never will. Any argument using the Trust Fund about the financial condition of SS is a fallacy. The financial position of SS has not changed in decades except for revisions about life expectancy, inflation, and economic growth. There is no crisis now unless there was a crisis decades ago except for these expectations. Inflation and economic growth are the most worrisome factors about SS and the rest of government spending.
The SS Trust Fund is an accounting gimmick or fraud (depending on your perspective) to avoid putting SS benefits on annual appropriations. Congress can vote to continue benefits just like any other government program. Congress will never vote to reduce benefits except perhaps for a small group of individuals whose votes will lose elections. Instead of worrying about reductions in SS benefits, worry about the unsustainable projection of government spending at the federal, state, and local levels. Remember, Democrats wanted to spend dramatically more before the elections. 2 Democrats and Republicans reduced somewhat the incredible levels of new Democrat spending. Democrats also want to dramatically increase taxes on the most productive. Democrats see no limits to government spending and taxation (on a small subset of the population).
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
As a broad generality, for any enterprise, all of the assets fund all of the liabilities, just as all of the income funds all of the expenses.. Separate ‘buckets’ are a convenience. Those separate funding sources are merely part of a shell game. Ergo, you are correct. It is not just social security with a problem. The government is technically bankrupt–defined as a prolonged period of being unable to pay bills without borrowing.
One thing is certain. Arthur Laffer knows what it is. which is why democraps were so quick to rubbish him.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
What to do about social security? How about put all Federal government employees and politicians on social security, in lieu of pensions?
The other option is what many countries do: means test and decrease the benefits accordingly.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“means test…”
As in hiring another army of net-negative nothings, to arbitrary deem and find and feel…..
shamrock
shamrock
2 years ago
and indexing it to life expectancy
Life expectancy just went DOWN by about 2 years, so that makes it worse.
meepbobeep
meepbobeep
2 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
That’s period life expectancy, which isn’t what Social Security uses for projecting future benefits (they use cohort life expectancy — that is, what will happen in the future, not what happened in the past.) Period life expectancy is a fiction that has nothing to do with how long anybody actually lives.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
Recession is baked in the oven on low/mid heat. SPX will show it first. The CPI plunged from 9% to 5%. It might retrace 50% to 7%. JP will raise rates. Yelen : US treasury have no ovens to cook the poor. // The regional banks will tighten supply. Results ==> they will lend to qualified borrowers at higher rates. Less is more. Smallness beat JPM, Citi, WFC and BAC making higher profit/ lower total assets. The next bubble might be banks rates ==> high demand, tight supply. The zombies, out of the game.
Ultracrepidarian
Ultracrepidarian
2 years ago
They wont cut benefits. They will just shift gears on the money printing machine…..they are already adding $1,500,000,000,000.00 a year now. Whats another zero or two among friends?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Didn’t Bidum just increase social security for inflation?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
yup a nice large increase. loved it. i think close to 9 percent
Nonplused
Nonplused
2 years ago
The whole of government fiscal policy is unsustainable, not just social security. My guess is that social security will not fail in isolation, and when the larger system fails it won’t be the #1 topic. But it is a good distraction. Take France for example. The protests are not only about a 2 year change to the retirement age, but it does make a good rally point. You don’t think those people aren’t mad about out of control inflation, job losses, immigration, government overreach, the green madness, and the threat of nuclear war? There is an abundance of straws on this camel. But when the revolution comes we always blame it on the current lack of bread, and discuss cake as a substitute. It’s much deeper than that. And I fear the outcome might be similar.
Kevin
Kevin
2 years ago
All this will do is replenish the so-called “trust fund” which buys treasury bonds. Treasury bonds are a polite way of saying general government spending. So the trust fund is effectively a slush fund and has been since the beginning.
It would be more honest to simply put social security on a pay as you go basis since current taxpayers are paying for it anyway. Elimination of the trust fund will actually reduce current and future government spending as it takes away the cookie jar.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  Kevin
Social Security is already a pay as you go basis.
It does not buy treasury bonds.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
it buys special treasuries just for SS fund.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Correct. But these are not tradeable or subject to market fluctuations etc. In essence they are just accounting markers to indicate surplus money paid into the program in prior years which is now in the process of being drawn down.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Not sure it is the right question. Neither has the answer because any change means political suicide. Look at the French example.
Maybe it’s time to realize that some institutions are failing (as common logic would say), and have to be taken out of the political football.
meepbobeep
meepbobeep
2 years ago
No, not really. It has been greatly changed many times before with little repercussions for the politicians changing it… mainly because it’s so obscure to most people, they don’t understand there had been a benefit cut. The only people who know they have a cut are people already receiving benefits and then their benefits go down. Nobody really knows what they’ve “earned”.
That is my expectation – future tax increases & benefit cuts. I assume they’ll have to get rid of the salary cap on FICA for everything, but that also affects income taxes in general… so maybe they just change income taxes and make it all general fed revenues. There are so many ways to reduce the base benefits without people knowing that happened (changing the indexing, bend points, reductions for early retirement, taxation of benefits, etc.)

Social Security was originally sold as a program to reduce senior poverty, and it’s been very successful in that. They can reduce the benefits at the upper level and still be successful in reducing senior poverty.

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  meepbobeep
wisdom comment.

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