The Asininity of Inflation Expectations, Once Again By Powell and the Fed

What Do Financial Markets Say about Future Inflation?

From the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, please consider What Do Financial Markets Say about Future Inflation? by YiLi Chien and Julie Bennett.

The Importance of Inflation Expectation

The effectiveness of monetary policy hinges critically on inflation expectations. If economic agents, such as households and firms, expect higher inflation in the future, the rational reaction is to purchase goods and services right away in order to avoid higher future prices. As a result, the demand for goods and services immediately rises and so does the price level, which results in higher inflation right away. Hence, the Federal Reserve needs to anchor economic agents’ long-term inflation expectations close to the inflation target in order to effectively combat inflation. This blog post looks at the recent movements in so-called market-based inflation expectations for various time horizons.

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Conclusion

In short, according to the inflation swap data, market participants believe the Federal Reserve can and will control the high inflation rate, despite price increases being more persistent than previously thought. The well-anchored longer-term inflation expectation provides additional supporting evidence of this.

I will rebut this nonsense again, but first let’s consider another article on the alleged importance of inflation expectations. 

The Strange Art of Asking People How Much Inflation They Expect

Please consider The Strange Art of Asking People How Much Inflation They Expect

“By about what percent do you expect prices to go up or down on the average, during the next 12 months?”

The answers people give to this question—this exact question—produce one of the most important numbers for the U.S. economy.

It’s the question the University of Michigan asks respondents to its Survey of Consumers. Because that survey is the longest-running such survey of consumer attitudes, dating back to 1946, its data about price increases have become the benchmark for economists who obsess over expectations of inflation.

When Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell said last week that the Fed was raising interest rates by 0.75 percentage point, he cited an uptick in the responses people gave to the Michigan survey, saying, “It was quite eye-catching and we noticed that.”

Crucial Variable Says Gregory Mankiw

“Expected inflation is a crucial variable, but it’s probably one of the hardest of the crucial variables to measure,” said Harvard University economist Gregory Mankiw.

The first quirk is that many people have only a vague idea of how much prices will rise, and tend to respond with large (sometimes implausibly large) round numbers: 5%, 10%, 15%, even 50%. In other words, people don’t gravitate toward a common assessment—they disagree sharply about how much inflation to expect, as Mr. Mankiw puts it.

Second, partisanship colors people’s views. This is a well-known trend when assessing measures of consumer confidence: Democrats become extremely optimistic, and Republicans extremely pessimistic, the moment a Democratic president is elected. And vice versa. It has recently come to hang over inflation data, too.

The question “by about what percent per year do you expect prices to go (up/down) on the average, during the next 5 to 10 years?” is followed by a careful script to ensure that people are providing an estimate of annual increases, not cumulative.

Richard Curtin, former head of the University of Michigan survey, says the tendency to gravitate toward large, round numbers is a genuine reflection of how people think. 

He sees a bit of condescension from economists who are skeptical that consumers could have well-formed views about inflation.

I Condemn the Surveys and the Economists 

Q: Why?
A: The premise is ridiculous. 

Q: What premise?
A: “If economic agents, such as households and firms, expect higher inflation in the future, the rational reaction is to purchase goods and services right away in order to avoid higher future prices.”

That actually seems logical and to a meaningless degree it can temporarily happen. 

Gasoline Example

Suppose a person thinks the price of gasoline will rise. That person then fills up his tank when it is half empty rather then three-quarters empty. 

The person buys no more gas than he would otherwise, and perhaps even less by driving less. There is no place to store gas other the car. 

Most people will not bother with the inconvenience of filling up twice as often to save a few cents, and it is meaningless if they do. No additional gas is purchased. 

Toilet Paper Example

Similarly, we have seen a rush on toilet paper on fears of supply, causing temporary shortages, but what then? 

Does the price of toilet paper keep rising forever? Or after some number of roll hoarding does the situation self-correct?

Medical Expense Example

If consumers think the cost of a heart surgery will rise dramatically next year, will they rush out and have two of them now to avoid the price hike? 

Clearly the answer is no.

Rent Example

Rent gets to the heart of the matter. It is over 31 percent of the CPI.

What can consumers do about rising rent prices? Will they rush out and rent two houses if they expect an increase?

No, they won’t do that, but they might rush to buy a home. Alas, neither the Fed nor economists see home price inflation as inflation.

Curiously, the rush to buy homes (asset prices in general) is the one place where expectations matter. But economists ignore that, focusing on what doesn’t.

Please consider Why Do We Think That Inflation Expectations Matter for Inflation? (And Should We?) by Jeremy B. Rudd at the Divisions of Research & Statistics and Monetary Affairs Federal Reserve Board.

Policy Errors

Economists and economic policymakers believe that households’ and firms’ expectations of future inflation are a key determinant of actual inflation. A review of the relevant theoretical and empirical literature suggests that this belief rests on extremely shaky foundations, and a case is made that adhering to it uncritically could easily lead to serious policy errors.  

The study also debunked the highly touted Phillips Curve.

Here are a few direct quotes.

  • The direct evidence for an expected inflation channel was never very strong.
  • It is an irony of history that, when Phelps and Friedman sought to justify their proposed theoretical specifications, they were faced with the uncomfortable fact that empirical Phillips curves appeared to be remarkably stable.
  • These techniques are similar in spirit to those employed in the 1990s to estimate new-Keynesian models; hence, they suffer from the same sorts of problems—discussed below—that attend empirical estimates of those models.
  • Friedman’s derivation of the expectations-augmented Phillips curve implies that the real product wage should be strongly countercyclical (recall that in this model firms are always assumed to be on their labor demand curves). In particular, Friedman states as a matter of fact that “. . . selling prices of products typically respond to an unanticipated rise in demand faster than prices of factors of production,” which would in turn imply the empirical prediction that the price Phillips curve is steeper than the wage Phillips curve. However, in U.S. data this prediction is completely at odds with the evidence.
  • Most standard tests of the new-Keynesian Phillips curve suffer from such severe potential misspecification issues or such profound weak identification problems as to provide no evidence one way or the other regarding the importance of expectations (much the same statement applies to empirical tests that use survey measures of expected inflation).
  • What little we know about firms’ price-setting behavior suggests that many tend to respond to cost increases only when they actually show up and are visible to their customers, rather than in a preemptive fashion

Common Sense and Practical Examples

Common sense and practical examples suggest that inflation expectations theory is ass backward.

So much of the CPI is nondiscretionary that it’s difficult to impossible for CPI expectations to matter. 

Yet, economists focus on expectations that don’t matter and ignore the expectations that do matter, namely asset prices!

I have written about this several times previously, two of them before I even found the Fed study supporting my view. 

Asset Irony

People will rush to buy stocks in a bubble if they think prices will rise. They will hold off buying stocks if they expect prices will go down.

People will buy houses to rent or fix up if they think home prices will rise. They will hold off housing speculation if they expect prices will drop.

The very things where expectations do matter are the very things the Fed ignores.

Hello Fed, Inflation Expectations Are Unglued, No Longer Well Anchored

Inflation Expectations data from New York Fed, chart by Mish

On April 11, I commented Hello Fed, Inflation Expectations Are Unglued, No Longer Well Anchored

The New York Fed survey already shows inflation expectations are not anchored.

Even the three-year median point projection is 4.88%, well over the Fed’s target rate of 2.00%.

Powell was shocked that the University of Michigan survey showed the same thing. 

I commented “It’s a good thing that inflation expectations are a blatantly ridiculous concept. Even the Fed’s own research papers make that conclusion.”

It’s a good thing inflation expectations are not self-fulfilling because expectations are now unglued.

Fed Studies Debunk the Phillips Curve

Both studies were done by Fed staffers.

Yet, Fed Chairs Janet Yellen and Jerome Powell did not believe the Fed’s own study.

Stupidity Still Well Anchored

You have to be trained to believe in nonsense and stick with it despite all evidence to the contrary. 

Yet, Powell and the St. Louis Fed trust their disproved inflation expectations models. It has led to policy errors already and will lead to more of them.

This is group think in action. There is no diversity of thought at the Fed.

Historical Perspective on CPI Deflations: How Damaging are They?

Regarding policy errors and the accurate warning by the Monetary Affairs Division of the Federal Reserve Board, please consider Historical Perspective on CPI Deflations: How Damaging are They?

A BIS study concluded “Deflation may actually boost output. Lower prices increase real incomes and wealth. And they may also make export goods more competitive.

Indeed, that must be the case as more goods for less money by default improves standards of living.

The Fed was hell bent on reducing standards of living via inflation. Now they struggle to undo the inflation and asset bubble consequences they created. 

The Fed is the problem, not the solution.

This post originated at MishTalk.Com.

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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
fed in business to keep their owners, the bankers in high cotton. job number 1. they electronically printed trillions. now they are taking punch bowl away. the inherent inflaiton bubble of printed dough is bubble of everything. now things collapsing. inflation will be around for awahile in printed money. probably take 5 to 10 years of stagflation to work out of system.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Hey buddy, here’s an inflation tip: 1st class stamp price is increasing in July to 60 cents. Better stock up!
The USPS is certainly helping inflation along. Rates to rent a small POB have increased significantly over the past 20 years but have been increasingly steep since Louis DeJoy became Postmaster General in June 2020. In 2001, the years fee for a small POB was $38. For 2020, the price was $122 annually. In 2022, the annual fee is now $202!
david halte
david halte
1 year ago
Can the public have inflation expectations, when the measure of inflation is obfuscated by the Fed and BLS. Average home prices increased during the decade of 1970s by 272 percent, when cumulative inflation was 103 percent. During the last 10 years average home prices inflated by 217 percent, while cumulative inflation was only 25 percent.
Janet Yellen states the Fed can influence the markets by ‘jawboning’ information. And Jerome Powell mentioned in his last statement that there could be more inflation surprises. He obviously knows, but does not share his expectations.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Nothing to worry about folks , evwythin gonna be jus’ fine ! At this very moment the famous Wining and Dining club G7 is meeting. They are all there : gullible, clueles yet ever so corrupt Von der Lying(her husband is in the vaxxing business), totally worthless Charles Michel( worthlessness being one of the criteria to get elected president in the EU), peasant Boris from the triggerhappy ex commonwealth, Rothschild s Macron, alias Louis XIX, Babyface ,would be dictator Trudeau, Draghi who ruined the european financial system beyond repair, senile Biden of course, the Japanese Samurai who doesn t mind no longer that the US nuked the * out of his nation a odd 70 years ago, Did I forget someone ? oh yes that german *hole ruining his own fn country . Never mind though, our Winers and Diners have already decided to ban gold from Russia, apart from that, they ve been joking about Putin riding a horse bare chested years ago. That s in fact about all they can do I guess now that their Nazi Ukraine battering ram is being reduced to splinters. Oh yeah before I forget , Russia thanks France for the conquered Ceasar cannons , Russia is going to analyse and even improve them ….
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
“Yet, Fed Chairs Janet Yellen and Jerome Powell did not believe the Fed’s own study.”
Have Greenspan or Bernanke been asked for their response, yet?
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Concur. Interest is the price of credit. The price of money is the reciprocal of the price level. Inflation expectations “is the simple difference between yields on nominal Treasury securities and yields on inflation-adjusted Treasury securities”. 2021’s expectations did not accurately predict the change that occurred in 2022.
Powell:
“The connection between monetary aggregates and either growth or inflation was
very strong for a long, long time, which ended about 40 years ago”.
How did Powell keep his job? The distributed lag effect of monetary flows, the volume and velocity of money, have not been “long and variable”, they have been mathematical constants for > 100 years. The problem is both that Powell doesn’t know money from mud pie, but also doesn’t know its inflection points.
No one at the FED understands money and central banking. Take Mutual Savings Banks. Their correspondent balances in member banks were designated as interbank demand deposits, or excess reserves (which are excluded from the money stock), up until March 31st, 1980. After the DIDMCA the S&L’s and CU’s deposits in member banks weren’t designated as IBDDs and are included in the money stock.
I.e., the FED’s Ph.Ds. don’t know a bank from a nonbank. Thus, they turned the nonbanks (the S&Ls, CU’s, and MSB’s) into banks and caused the S&L crisis. Greenspan dropped reservable liabilities by 40% and caused the GFC. Bernanke contracted required reserves for 29 contiguous months, turning safe assets into impaired assets. Bernanke also remunerated IBDDs and induced disintermediation, a $6.2 trillion drop in the nonbank liabilities.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“Interest is the price of credit. The price of money is the reciprocal of the price level.”
When I went to school….
The interest rate is the price of money. (full stop) I think your ‘reciprocal of the price level’ is with ‘purchasing power’, and a quite different beast.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Savings flowing through the nonbanks
never leaves the payment’s system (where all monetary savings originate). The source of interest-bearing deposits is other bank deposits, directly or indirectly via the currency route (never more than a short-term seasonal change), or through the banks’ undivided profits accounts. There
is simply a transfer in the ownership of existing DFI liabilities within the
payment’s system (an exchange in the counterparties of existing deposit
liabilities, a velocity relationship). There is no change in the money stock, no change in total bank liabilities, assets, or earning assets.
It is true that the Keynesian economists have achieved their objective, that there is no difference between money and liquid assets [sic].
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Contrary to professional economists, banks aren’t intermediaries between savers and borrowers. Deposits are the result of lending, not the other way around. Secular stagnation is the impoundment of monetary savings in the banks, a deceleration in velocity. All bank-held savings are lost to both consumption and investment, indeed to any type of payment or expenditure.
Both stagflation and secular stagnation were predicted in “Should Commercial Banks Accept
Savings Deposits?” Conference on Savings and Residential Financing 1961
Proceedings, United States Savings and loan league, Chicago, 1961, 42, 43.

“Profit or Loss from Time
Deposit Banking”, Banking and Monetary Studies, Comptroller of the Currency,
United States Treasury Department, Irwin, 1963, pp. 369-386

Princeton Professor Dr. Lester V. Chandler, Ph.D.,
Economics Yale theoretical
explanation was:

1961 – “that
monetary policy has as an objective a certain level of spending for gDp (sounds
like N-gDp level targeting today), and that a growth in time (savings) deposits
involves a decrease in the demand for money balances, and that this shift will
be reflected in an offsetting increase in the velocity of demand deposits,
DDs.”

Corwin D. Edwards,
He taught
at New York University in 1954, the Chicago School from 1955-1963, the University
of Virginia, and the University of Oregon from 1963-1971.

Edwards: “It
seems to be quite obvious that over time the “demand for money” cannot continue
to shift to the left as people buildup their savings deposits; if it did, the
time would come when there would be no demand for money at all”

The “S-Curve” dynamic damage (sigmoid function), or the culmination in
the “monetization” of time deposits ended by the first half of 1981
As Professor emeritus Pritchard, Ph.D. Economics, Chicago 1933, didn’t mince his
words, and in May 1980 pontificated that:

“The Depository Institutions Monetary Control Act (which turned the thrifts
into banks), will have a pronounced effect in reducing money velocity”.

This is corroborated by: The riddle of money,
finally solved BY Dr. PHILIP GEORGE
The riddle of money, finally solved (philipji.com)
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
As I commented on 12-16-12, 01:50 PM #1 when the FDIC’s unlimited transaction
deposit insurance was reduced to $250,000:
“With low inflation (given some deficit resolution), Jan-Apr could be a
zinger”
Zinger – a surprise, shock, or piece of electrifying news.
That’s what accelerated
the drop in the unemployment rate from 8.0% to 5.0% by Dec. 2015.
The FDIC’s increase in deposit insurance from 40,000 to 100,000 in 1980, and from 100,000 to unlimited for transactions deposits in 2008 caused a cessation in the transaction’s velocity of funds. It reduced the savings that were invested.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta

If Powell wanted to stop
inflation, he would re-institute reserve requirements against his new
definition of transaction accounts (Regulation D), or what Nobel Laureate Dr.
Milton Friedman advocated, December 16, 1959. Powell doesn’t give a damn about
inflation.

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
What we mean by interest is the price of overnight interbank lending, the lowest rate which is the base of other interest rates.
The price level can be called inflation. High interest rates suppress inflation and vice versa, i.e. are reciprocal.
In a functional system, interest rate should be above inflation to reward savings.
In a dysfunctional system, interest rates are below inflation, and banks discourage savings, and rely ultimately on financial tap from the central bank.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
LSAPs increase the supply of credit. Thus, they put artificial downward pressure on interest rates. The remuneration of IBDDs is a Romulan Cloaking device. Whereas the 1966 Interest Rate Adjustment Act created a .50% interest
rate differential in favor of the Savings and Loan Associations (the thrifts,
the nonbanks), the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 provided a
preferential interest rate differential in favor of the commercial banks, which
induced nonbank disintermediation (where the size of the nonbanks shrank by
$6.2 trillion dollars, while the banks were unaffected, increasing by $3.6
trillion dollars). Who do you think sells the most T-Bills back to the FED?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Bingo! Pay the man.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
In recessions there are delinquencies, evictions, vacancies… OER can tank.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
OER Owner Equivalent Rent is the biggest component of the CPI. Add mortgage, insurance, taxes, repairs, furniture, fees…and there is little left by the end of the month.
Fred : since Mar 2020 Case Shiller is up from 215 to 294, up 37%. Rent of Primary Resident up from 340 to 365, up 7%. 37/7 = 5. ROA is poor.
RE prices are rising x5 faster than Rent. We are in an inflection point : a strong dollar, high commodities prices, at the same time : SPX, Bonds and high end RE massacre. Something is wrong.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
When I see on in the news that the BLS reports chicken is up 16%, but my Kroger boneless chicken breasts shot up from $1.99 to $2.99 (+50%) then my inflation expectations do tend to jump by large whole number values, and I’m a HS math teacher. Why? Because I honest feel like the BLS attempt to capture real CPI has been rigged to keep SS COLA increases lower than they would be otherwise.
Mish, “Alas, neither the Fed nor economists see home price inflation as inflation.” And this is why real inflation is much higher than 8.6%. Without being able to track what the cost of moving from renting to owning or moving up in ownership really costs, then you’re not tracking true inflation. And, when housing gets really out of whack like it has been for 3-4 years now, then the Sunami of 30%, 50%, 90% refi’s creates enormous demand for goods. And in most cases, people’s mortgage goes up which is self-inflicted inflation but inflation none-the-less. Each person has to weigh whether the $100, $200, or $300 is worth the $50K, $100K or even $150+ plus in real money they put in their pocket. Property taxes have gone up significantly. Hazard insurance has gone up due to the cost of rebuilding exploding. As far as I know, none of these inflationary pressures are captured in CPI.
Bronco
Bronco
1 year ago
“Yet, Powell and the St. Louis Fed trust their disproved inflation expectations models. It has led to policy errors already and will lead to more of them.”
Yes.
Re Sentiment and Confidence surveys I only pay attention to “current”.
“expectation” I ignore.
In not too distant future “current” concern will be disinflation / deflation.
Pardon my language…..It is the massive debt overhang, stupid.
US hasn’t experienced a credit event yet (it will). As financial conditions tighten, zombies (corporations / household / municipalities) that can survive only on ever looser financial conditions will be the ones naked as tide recedes. As lenders losses mount, conditions will tighten even more. Rinse / Repeat until bottom reached. We’re only in the early innings.
AWC
AWC
1 year ago
Put another way, dollar devaluation expectations, over the long run, are a given. Unless one believes gold is going back to $32 an ounce, and a 3/2 house in the suburbs will fall back to < $10,000.
And yes, currency devaluation is Central Banking’s stock in trade.
Bronco
Bronco
1 year ago
Reply to  AWC
Currency rates are set on open market.
Do you feel more comfortable holding yen / euro / yuan over $US??
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  AWC
Nothing is a ‘given’ except death and taxes. There is a range of possibilities with different probabilities. One possibility is ‘markets regress to the mean’–over time it works rather well, i.e. a high probability. Gold bugs might assign a higher probability to the ‘Fed creates cluster fudge’ possibility, but they will come out ahead with regression to the mean.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
The gas example brings to mind that gas inventories in cars are fuller than they were before. People expecting a higher price will utilize the storage capacity of their gas tank to store gas. With 270 million registered vehicles in the US, a 5 gal average increase in gas stored in tanks per vehicle is a whopping 1 billion 350 million gallons of stored gas. When people start seeing prices drop; that average 5 gallon excess reserve will be used up in anticipation of lower prices. Margin psychology will flip. When millions of cars everyday forego buying gas for a day or two waiting for cheaper gas then prices will drop even more. As Captain Ahab points out Oil and Gas prices are always working the margins. I have seen it happen many times. It is a beautiful thing.
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
Homes in my area have repriced from $400/sqft to $600/sqft in the last two years. That is far above 10% inflation, and housing is an unavoidable cost in life.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Do you buy gold now if you expect the price to be 25% higher in a year? Or do you wait a year?
Of course, gold is not a typical consumer product, and does not have a shelf life, but why should that matter–in principle?
Expectations of future prices drive demand at the margin–the key word. If only one percent of people buy gas today because they think gas prices will be higher tomorrow, that one percent increases demand at the margin, and gas prices adjust accordingly. With constrained supply, the impact might even be noticeable.
Now, as to the capacity of people to form reasonable expectations regarding economic issues… that might be a problem, yet acting in concert, they are the market. Sampling might be an issue, ya think? Not that economists would be any better at forming expectations, although they seem okay when the past predicts the future. It gets messy when uncertainty is lurking, such as now.
I continue to say, the Fed is in control until it isn’t. I think we are approaching the inflection point.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Inflation caused by typical supply demand issues is not what I see . The shortages from the COVID lockdowns are the issue.raising interest rates will not help
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
I agree that raising interest rates is pretty meaningless. It does nothing to solve the supply issues.
However, the supply problem for oil and gas has taken 10 years to develop. That predates covid by 8 years.
And food shortages are primarily a consequence of global warming. A problem that has been developing for over a hundred years.
Covid just exacerbated problems that were happening anyway.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Oil and gas are going WAY up.i see a barrel of crude oil over 200.00$ next year. Global warming , humans did not cause it, it’s a natural phenomena
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
If you want me to take you seriously you will have to prove you know more than thousands of climate scientists.
Regarding oil, I expect demand destruction to kick in between $130 and $150, and I doubt it goes past $180. Over $200 is not likely to last for long.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Climate scientist? Are they similar to the scientist that brought about the COVID vaccines? Sorry I have no trust in that science…
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy

Yeah. I figured you wouldn’t even attempt to prove them wrong. And you sounded so sure of your statement. Let me know when you can prove that the current global warming is natural. Till then, I will follow the science and ignore folks like you who want to believe it’s natural, but can not prove it.

goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave

If you are comfortable believing someone other than yourself have at it. Everyone has a book to sell… there is alot of money to be made in a false narrative, climate change, and one of my favorites,COVID.. I hope you didn’t get the jab…

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
Of course I did. Four of them. And I will continue to take them if and when needed. I assume that you have never had a vaccine then.
You really like to believe all that conspiracy garbage, don’t you. Kind of sad really.
And I assume you are trying to change the subject because you cannot respond to my request.
I’m still waiting for you to prove that the current global warming is natural. Come on. Stop changing the subject and prove it.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I think you’re need for proof is odd. I have a brain but I cannot remove it from my skull to look at it. I don’t need proof…
No I don’t believe in conspiracies…I believe in science.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
You believe in science? Lol!
Show me the science that says the current global warming is natural.
You won’t, because there is no science that shows that. All the science shows that the current global warming is caused by humans.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Your argument is PROPERLY PHRASED: The data collected (and manipulated) supports the hypothesis (of whatever) with a level of confidence of x% (or correlation coefficient).
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Okay. Thanks.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Here is a question for you. How does the IPCC include (both statistically and in hypothesis formulation) the effect of variations in solar output over time?
“The IPCC estimates that natural causes – which
range from solar activity to volcanic eruptions (such as the one in
Krakatoa in 1883 which lowered temperatures) – have seen temperatures
rise a mere 0.05C above the average from 1850-1900.

In effect, nothing.

But human activity has increased temperatures by nearly 1.2C.”

Now, the fun part–what to do about it:
To ‘save the planet we need “to cut emissions by around 45% by 2030.” Sounds like a typical liberal tax and waste program, and economic dislocation. Meanwhile, aren’t you investing in oil and gas?
We are experiencing the side effects of cutting emissions right now. There is only one way to lower the impact of humans on the planet to a safe level. Reduce the population dramatically.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Historically, climate temperatures have varied. Seas have risen,and fallen–there are trilobites (see here: link to en.wikipedia.org) in Ohio, 700 feet above mean sea water in a geologically stable region. This was long before humans walked on the planet. Ergo, it makes sense to look for possible natural causes, does it not?
Next, the old adage about ‘finding what you are looking for’ holds for science, DESPITE the scientific method/alternate hypotheses.
Finally, the current hypothesis concerns climate change (not warming)–now that is a difficult hypothesis to support with data. One way is looking at the difference in variance in climate over time. However, for political-media ‘science’, any out-of-the-ordinary weather event qualifies–so easy to sell to non-critical thinkers.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Yes. Everything you said about the past is true. And how do we know this? From the scientists who did all the hard work to discover the climate history of this planet. The same scientists who now tell you that the current global warming is not natural at all and is in fact caused by mankind.
But because of your political brainwashing, you selectively decide to ignore the science when it does not suit your politics.
Lol! You probably don’t even realize how “misinformed” this makes you look.
Too funny!
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yep there are thousands of climate scientist that disagree with your climate scientists..
There have been hotter temps in the past!!!
We are in a cycle, we are heading into a “COOLING” period!!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Your words are still meaningless. I am waiting for you to present the scientific proof. What’s wrong? Can’t find it? Lol!
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
And here we have it, this weeks Golden Kookie winner!! Congrats!
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Lol, zardoz, no reason to be sarcastic
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
FYI, higher prices will ‘solve the supply’ issues. They are the incentive (aka excess profits).
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Expectations? I expect food and energy prices to keep facing upward pressure over the next few years.
It is because of those expectations that I am invested in oil and gas stocks.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
A long time ago I learned my expectations are not necessarily those of everyone else. The obvious question is what are they seeing that I am not seeing?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I am seeing inventories for oil, gasoline and distillates dropping for the last 6 months and prices going up. What are you seeing?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
How big an inventory should there be and at what price level? How adjustable is supply to changes in demand, and shifts in demand? What is changing that might affect demand for energy, beyond demand destruction caused by higher prices?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Supply is not responding to demand. If it was, inventories wouldn’t still be dropping.
Demand is not responding to higher prices or economic conditions. If it was, inventories wouldn’t still be dropping.
And that’s in spite of the supply being boosted by SPR releases, which will end later this year. Then that will boost demand in order to refill the SPR.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Next question, why is supply not responding? Hint: constrained supply requiring a large amount of infrastructure…. Russia-Ukraine was a glitch–already being worked around. Covid slowed demand and supply. How soon does supply come back on line, and demand returns to pre-covid levels?
Demand is responding. Note how the price has dropped recently? It will pop again come July 4th. Maybe it will increase during summer. Drop down in Fall…
The change in demand (NOT A SHIFT) is not as fast as it might if there were effective substitutesWalking 20 miles to work, riding bike to the supermarket, risking your life on public trans etc. and not very effective substitutes.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“Why has supply not responded?”
Are you joking?
Supply has responded as best it can, yet it is still not enough.
OPEC took almost 10 M bpd off line in 2020.
And OPEC has spent the last year bringing it all back on line. The president of OPEC says that they have now run out of spare capacity.
In April and May they were supposed to add 432k bpd each month. The actual number for April was 10k. In May, it went down!
They are supposed to complete the return of all spare capacity in July and August with 650k bpd each month. Lets see how much they actually add.
In addition the US has been releasing around 1 M bpd from the SPR from Oct 2021 to Oct 2022. And several other countries also agreed to SPR releases. That is a lot of extra supply that is helping keep prices from going higher, for now. What happens when that ends this October?
US crude oil production has been nudging up a bit, but not much, as the majority of oil companies have been cutting back on capex for years. And it isn’t something that can be turned on like a light switch.
What is going to happen once OPEC is out of spare capacity and SPR releases end later this year?
Where will the supply come from then? And don’t forget the extra demand that will come from the US and other countries attempting to refill their SPRs.
“How soon does supply come back on line, and demand returns to pre-covid levels?”
All readily available supply is already back on line as previously mentioned. And Demand is already back to pre-covid levels.
“Demand is responding. Note how the price has dropped recently?”
Prices fluctuate daily. But in the long run they depend on supply vs demand.
Demand for gasoline in the US hit its highest level of the year last week. Is that the response you mean?
Face it. Demand remains strong. And Extra Supply is about to hit a brick wall towards the end of this year.
Eventually there will have to be much higher prices to create the demand destruction that is necessary. We aren’t even close to that point yet because of the supply increases that we have already seen this year.
Of course you can help support the cause by walking and bicycling more to keep prices down for me.
Thanks!
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
The market is a casino. We don’t know what will happen next. To be fully committed to rental properties and expand it at possibly peak market, might be a mistake. A prolong deflation can injure rentals for decades. Being aggressive at inflection point is risky. It’s a viable option.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
“A prolong deflation can injure rentals for decades.”
Correct, and prolonged inflation will do the opposite for rentals. This is what makes a market. Some people believe in deflationary collapses and others don’t so there will be winners and there will be losers. This is what happens every day in America. Some people cross the street and get hit by a car, others continue on their day with no consequences.
the people that are consistently “right” end up rich and the people that are consistently “wrong” end up poor. you should try to listen to people that are rich not those that are poor except to learn from their misfortunes. Read enough comments here and you’ll understand who is who.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
glad u have an edge.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
One definition of intelligence is the ability to to ‘see’ patterns (and relationships).
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
“Is there a 40-50 year chart of Expectations vs CPI?”
I have downloadable data on this.
Amusing
Will do a post with charts on this next week.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Inflation expectation between 1% and 3.5%. Error : what if inflation flip to deflation. Look at Inflation on Tradingview to the left of the chart, to WWI, it have happened before.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
For small purchases higher inflation expectations don’t matter much but it does matter for big-ticket items like housed and cars. If you believe the price is going up you will have the incentive to buy now rather than later. We have recent examples of this happening. It works for assets but much less for services but even then if you have to have major work done on your house you might want to have it done now rather than wait because the price will go it. In inflationary times the velocity of money increases because in that environment money is a wasting asset. The increase in velocity creates a feedback loop which causes more inflation unless it is stopped quickly. The Fed probably is going to keep on with this new policy. I think it should be clear that they are not going to “save” the market this time around. Bigger problems are afoot. A bear market is temporary but an bad inflation risks to not be so they had to make a choice and once made they now seem to take pleasure in not flooding the markets with liquidity as they had before.
Germany is planning to repurpose the part of Nord Stream II that is in German waters. They will expropriate it and connect it to one of the floating storage and regasification units (FSRUs) they already chartered. Then the LNG ships can link up with the FSRU, send the liquid gas to it to be converted back into gas which then flows via the expropriated pipeline into the German gas distribution system. When Russia cuts off the Nord Stream I they can do the same thing using a second FSRUs that had chartered. Doing it that way they will save a lot of time and money. It is an elegant solution. When Germans release themselves from bureaucratic hurdles they can move surprisingly fast.
Jackula
Jackula
1 year ago
I’m not so certain I agree with you on this Mish. I think energy is gonna be the wildcard. When China ramps back up from their Covid lunacy oil will rise. The Ukraine situation is not going to be resolved anytime soon. And gasoline refining capacity is lower with the sanctions on Russia taking Russian refined products off the market. Inflationary energy costs will have a broad inflationary impact on most production.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Jackula
Not sure what you are disagreeing with because your comments have nothing to do with expectations.
If you mean you disagree with my post that the price at the pump may have peaked, then your comments make more sense.
Yes, I could be wrong about this post:
Unleaded Gasoline Futures Suggest the Price at the Pump May Have Peaked
Jackula
Jackula
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Sorry got distracted multitasking. Was commenting on something elsewhere and crossed em up. My bad.
Jmurr
Jmurr
1 year ago
Reply to  Jackula
You would think the Ukraine war will be ending before the end of summer. Propaganda notwithstanding, it seems Russia will have accomplished its goal sooner rather than later.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Jmurr
What goal is that?
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Securing a land bridge to Moldova, then they will pause for a few months!!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
And how do you know this? Or is it just more crap that you make up? What is your source? Maybe Putin phones you to let you know so you can share the info with the commenters on this blog?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Option 1) The Fed fight inflation by sucking liquidity from the banks and “radical” hikes. Option 2) There is panic in the o/n market. Primary
banks, MM… are seeking refuge in the Fed vaults. The Fed fight deflation by providing good collateral to the clogged repo market, preventing a
collapse. // The CPI 8.6% is a bar o ignore. Russian oil is sold to China & India at steep discount. India is taking profit in the spot market.
Diesel crushed the farmer. Lower diesel will crush inflation before Nov election.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Why will diesel be lower before November? Inventories are still dropping.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
There has been warning sent that the oil added to diesel is running out, ie Diesel shortages are coming!!!
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
I’d think the results of an “expectation” survey might be useful as a trailing indicator. The people answering the survey would be linearly extrapolating what they’ve perceived the last 2 or 3 times they’ve noticed the item under question.
Nothing is ever quite so simple, though.
For instance, older people will often associate some outside event (e.g. an election) with the item under question and that association could override the simple extrapolation.
Too, we often ignore direct observation of the item in question and only perceive what we are told to perceive.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
I would add that expectations of future demented policy direction by the above mentioned actors is driving asset inflation including gold rush in property purchases.
Self reflexion isn’t a strong suit for these monkeys.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
Is there a 40-50 year chart of Expectations vs CPI?
Computing the correlation between expectations and CPI, with and without a 1 year delay on the expectation, may also provide some insight into how people view inflation.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
I suspect people see what is happening and translate forward.
But politics also enters into play, so do prices people see most often (gas prices).
Strongly suspect random nonsense which is what that Fed study suggested.
The U of M data may go back decades.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
The vast majority of forecasts are of the ‘past predicts the future’ type; so yes, ten years of Fed meddling is expected to continue, last week’s price hikes will be the next week’s price hikes, and so on. The debt bomb is the big unknown IMHO, a decade of poor investments, wasteful spending, etc. gives rise to true uncertainty, which we are poorly equipped to handle. It might be that the Fed is pretending to be in control.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Like everything else, it depends. Inflation expectations DO MATTER to many people, specifically, the people that have the means to do something about it.
I certainly expect food prices to be way higher in the fall so I have stock piled non-perishable items such as rice and beans. I have also loaded up on meats and filled my freezer. For me, my constraints are the size of my freezer and storage area for dry goods, not really money.
For the poor, you are right, they might care about inflation but they can’t do a damn thing about it.
For the uber wealthy, what they do is buy futures contracts and make millions. The Fed knows this.
As for people that think that rents are going to go higher (yes that’s me I want to buy more), I am trying to buy more properties to rent them out. Again it all depends on your wealth and ability to buy. The Fed knows this too.
And there are plenty of videos on Youtube of people attempting to fill bags of gasoline or the back of their truck when they think prices are going higher.
In aggregate, the Fed knows all of this which I think is why they pursue these matters in the way that they do. Does any of it work? No otherwise we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in but at least now they can say they are trying to understand the problem.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Rice, chocolate and beans are better than gold, can be sold at huge markup.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Personally, I’ve lost all confidence in gold being able to do anything useful or increase in value. There is something fundamentally wrong with gold. I still have gold sitting in a vault in one of my houses that I haven’t visited in a couple of years. It will likely sit there until I die and my kids sell it off or they let it sit there for another generation. It feels like a waste of money.
I’d much rather have dividend stocks, real estate rentals, or a boat/plane near the Canadian border at this point than gold.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Yep. Gold is a dead asset.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
As MIsh consistently points out, gold is not a hedge for inflation. I think of it as insurance of last resort. If the Fed is as competent as Fauci, stand clear when SHTF.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Insurance vs what? The end of the world? Fauci and the Fed have nothing to do with gold being a dead asset. It does that all by itself. Put a bar of gold on your kitchen table and watch it do its thing over the next 10 years.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Are you thinking/researching before you write?
Maybe try this: link to bloomberg.com
Pay special attention to this “….increasing concerns about a possible global financial crisis…. a quarter of survey respondents, intending to add more bullion to their reserves. That’s an uptick from 21% in 2021.”
One in four central banks are ‘concerned’. Which ones? WHY?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Another person who previously said central banks are incompetent and is now a supporter of what Central Banks are doing! When did you become a big fan?
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
So you ignore the Central banks of the world who have been stockpiling gold..
Gold prices are being artificially pushed down with the PAPER GOLD..
There is more gold/silver paper there is gold/silver available..
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
What? You now have faith in Central Banks? I didn’t know that you worshipped Jerome Powell.
Of course, its hard to know with you, since you are always contradicting yourself.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Actually, it is the opposite. Gold pops when central banks appear to lose control. When they actually lose control, stand clear.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab

No need to worry. I always “stand clear”’of gold. But thanks for the advice.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Some ‘data’ to back up…
Global central bank gold reserves top 35,500 metric tons (MT), approximately one-fifth of all the gold ever mined.
The vast majority of central bank gold holdings were acquired in the
last decade, when national banks became net buyers of the yellow metal.”
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
I’m leaving some of my gold in my vintage Rolls Royce. It’s easier to move around.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Rice, chocolate and beans have high storage costs which will eat up the ‘huge markup.’ The last thing a commodity trader wants is to take delivery. A previous partner once bought coffee futures, and had to take delivery on a NYC dock when the price moved the wrong way. OUCH
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
tobacco, whiskey, &c

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