The Aussies claim to have been very vocal about the likely cancellation of the French deal since at least June, including in person between the PMs. I’m also not sure why it is expected that the party who will be fulfilling the new contract to contact the previous winner? When I fire a contractor and hire another, I don’t ask the guy I’m hiring to inform the other that he is fired.
Siliconguy
2 years ago
The French also botched the project.
“The project was meant to cost 50 billion Australian dollars (€31 billion). But that figure has since almost doubled.
At last count, the link to www1.defence.gov.au around 90 billion Australian dollars (€56 billion). And that’s before the government factored in the cost of maintenance — which in November 2019, the department of defense told a Senate committee would set Canberra back a further 145 billion Australian dollars (€90.1 billion) over the life of the subs.
And that wasn’t all.
Australia urgently needed new subs to replace its six aging Collins-class submarines, which were slated for retirement in 2026. Without subs, Australia would be left vulnerable at a link to politico.eu. But the first Barracuda couldn’t be delivered until 2035 or later, with construction extending into the 2050s.”
“The US talks to cancel the submarine contract went on for months in utmost secrecy.”
What goes on in secret, we don’t know. What secrecy are official narratives hiding? Einstein said to question everything.
LM2022
2 years ago
Triumph of the British? The Brits are seen as useless lapdogs in all of this which is why the French didn’t bother to recall their ambassador.
Casual_Observer2020
2 years ago
There is more to this deal then meets the eye. Why is China now so upset about this deal ? Did the US perhaps have intelligence that France and China have a strategic alliance ? It’s interesting that geopolitically the US and Australia’s relationship has grown tighter with mines that China once thought they had there now being turned over to US interests. Singapore, Australia, South Korea, Japan and others in southeast Asian all have US and UK support and backing. Cant help but wonder if a full blockade of Chinese ships near Taiwan is in the offing.
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Sorry if it’s a bad form to link to other site, but Moon of Alabama has a good technical analysis:
PS: It doesn’t mock the French for cancelling the Mistral deal at a final stage.
pyrrhus
2 years ago
Australia’s problem is with China, which is squeezing OZ’s economy…nuclear submarines which may be ready in 20 years (not likely), are utterly useless against China, which will have taken over Australia politically, economically and if necessary, militarily, long before then…
Jojo
2 years ago
What does Aus need nuke subs for anyway? Especially 12 of them? To keep Indonesian fishing trawlers out of their territory waters?
As a deterrent, by approaching mainland China undetected (hence nuclear-powered), positioning close enough for traditional missiles, and remaining there undetected for a month at a time (hence 12 /sarc).
I still don’t see why this is important. I doubt Aus has anything technical or military wise that China would be interested in. And these subs won’t have nuke millsles, so what are they going to, ram a China sub and sacrifice themselves for mother AUS? This is just more wasted money spent on the military that the current government insists is necessary for some kind of “protection”.
But I guess this is understandable coming from an authoritarian government (see Covid police/military responses to Covid street protests).
You don’t need nuclear missiles to be dangerous. A standard cruise missile into the 3 Gorges Dam would prove every bit as effective as a nuke and from just offshore it would be there in a few minutes.
Anyway it’s mostly about the shipping lanes and preventing Chinese aggression in SE Asia. Australia still remembers being cut off from the world in WWII and their country is roughly the same size as China, a storehouse of raw materials and only has 1/30 the population.
They aren’t buying subs. They are buying a closer military relationship with the US. That’s the deterrent they are looking to buy. Hence, no matter how nice a fleet of subs France offers them, they come up short.
And at night they burn hydrogen and oxygen from their di-hydrogen-monoxide tanks.
Jojo
2 years ago
“Instead of openly belligerent Tweets with Trump demanding the spotlight, we have secret deals and back stabbings with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Congress in general oblivious to everything.”
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Calling Shakespeare, please step forward.
Actually, the real problem was that the instructions to operate the submarines were required to be in both French and English, which the Australians found annoying.
“Actually, the real problem was that the instructions to operate the
submarines were required to be in both French and English, which the
Australians found annoying.”
Nope. The real problem is that French built Submarines have an auto-surrender feature that can’t be disabled 😉
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At last count, the link to www1.defence.gov.au around 90 billion Australian dollars (€56 billion). And that’s before the government factored in the cost of maintenance — which in November 2019, the department of defense told a Senate committee would set Canberra back a further 145 billion Australian dollars (€90.1 billion) over the life of the subs.
And that wasn’t all.
Australia urgently needed new subs to replace its six aging Collins-class submarines, which were slated for retirement in 2026. Without subs, Australia would be left vulnerable at a link to politico.eu. But the first Barracuda couldn’t be delivered until 2035 or later, with construction extending into the 2050s.”
submarines were required to be in both French and English, which the
Australians found annoying.”