The Battle for Europe Integration Has Failed and Russia Provides Proof

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When Did We Lose the Fight?

Eurointelligence founder Wolfgang Münchau is a strong pro-Europe advocate. He has been that way for the entire decade I followed him.

Earlier this month he commented: “The battle for European integration has failed. It is time to recognise defeat, and to think through the consequences.

Please consider Münchau’s thought-provoking article When Did We Lose the Fight? Emphasis below is mine.    

When you fight for a cause that does not materialise, at what point do you recognise, and admit, defeat? There are some causes you may want to keep fighting for no matter what, like human rights or climate change. Is European integration in that category? For me, it is not. My biggest area of disagreement with my fellow European federalists is not in what we think is desirable. What we disagree on is where the dividing line between realpolitik and wishful thinking lies.

A good example occurred this weekend. The fool whose committed the crime of saying what everybody in the SPD is thinking was Kay-Achim Schönbach. He was forced to resign as head of the German Navy for revealing to the world that Germany’s natural ally is Russia.

Germany also plays a non-cooperative game in the EU’s monetary union, through an economic model that is reliant on large savings surpluses. Whether the issue is economic or foreign policy, other member states have been reluctant to challenge Germany.

The euro area’s sovereign debt crisis deprived me of my last great European illusion, the notion that crises make us stronger. That particular crisis made us weaker. So has the pandemic. I see no trajectory whatsoever for Italy to generate the degree of productivity growth needed to render its foreign debt sustainable. The only way to avoid disaster is for the ECB to support Italian debt forever. It might do so. But that would set the ECB on a toxic path, leading to a wide selection of other horrible destinations. Then again, the euro area would probably not survive an Italian debt default intact either. Pick your poison.

My scepticism is not impatience, but concern that opportunities have been lost forever. Take ECB asset purchases. There was a short window for a genuine eurobond between 2008 and 2015, when the ECB’s programme of quantitative easing started. Afterwards, the ECB bought national sovereign debt in the trillions, and turned them into euros. This is what QE does: it swaps debt for money. Money is a liability similar to bonds, except that the maturity is shorter.

The idea behind a real eurobond could not be more different. It would not have been about the monetisation of national debt. A real eurobond would have been a debt instrument of a federal fiscal union with limited tax raising powers.

If only. I have come to the conclusion that this ship has sailed. Once you realise this, the consequences are far-reaching. If a proper economic union constitutes the first-best option, it is does not follow logically that a dysfunctional economic union is the second best. 

But if you don’t, you have to ask yourself some rather troubling questions. This is where I am at. One of the questions is this: even if the European solution is optimal, is it possible that the national alternative is superior to a malfunctioning hybrid?

Fatal Flaws

I disagree with Münchau that there ever was a chance for a united Europe.

  1. The euro itself is fatally flawed. There is no way for a single interest rate to work for Italy, Germany, France, Spain and Greece with monstrously different work ethics, hours pension plans, productivity, etc.  
  2. There is no way to change the rules. 

When the Eurozone was formed, Germany insisted on rules that could not be changed without unanimous consent of all countries and without consent of the German constitution. 

Over the years Germany bent in minor ways, but did not break on some constitutional debt rules. 

But point two still remains. It take unanimous consent to do nearly anything in the EU or Eurozone that was not explicitly spelled out in the Maastricht Treaty that created the EU.  

This is why it took a nearly a decade for the EU to work out a simple trade agreement with Canada.

Germany will never give up on debt brakes and France will never give up on Agricultural policy. The latter has stymied every global global trade agreement for at least two decades. 

Russia is Germany’s Natural Ally 

Russia is and has been Germany’s natural ally. Note that Germany even blocked sending military aid to Lithuania and Ukraine

Former Chancellor Angela Merkel, bowed to the Greens and dismantled German nuclear reactors. 

Now Germany is in desperate need of Russian natural gas. 

What About China?

Germany will not stand up to China, once again over trade issues. 

Is Germany a US ally?

The US has still not figured out Germany is a weak ally at best. The EU has not figured out that Germany has no intention of ever changing its trade stance.

But everyone does understand that France will never change its agricultural policy.

What About the UK? 

The UK did good to exit the EU mess via Brexit even if they have so far mishandled many steps along the way.  

The National Alternative

Münchau asks the right question: “Even if the European solution is optimal, is it possible that the national alternative is superior to a malfunctioning hybrid?

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Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Russia will not cut the gas line … it is NATO threatening to cut off Swift that will automatically make it impossible to pay for any gas.
The idea that invading Ukraine would be very costly is crazy … the Ukrainian army and its advisers would be utterly destroyed in days … it’s not WW2, the Russians have overwhelming 1m accurate artillery from distances of 200km … not to mention a significant lead on all types of missiles. Insurgency? Half of Ukrainians 18-29 are already out of the country, the other half has the least resolve to fight of all age groups! In many regions, less than half the population is even prepared to strike or demonstrate! According to polls.
Luckily, the Russians don’t want the Ukraine, they just want the US and nuclear strike weapons off their borders.
June 22 Putin said. Centuries of bloody western invasions. Russia has vowed that the next war will not be on their territory.
The whole invasion story is just narrative. How many troops does Russia have in the Western and Southern district normally, within 400 km of the Ukraine border? (Moscow is 450 km). Moscow has 800,000 enlisted, the Southern and Western districts are the most populated. All the satellite photos show vehicles parked next to barracks raised years ago. Your leg is being pulled by US/UK war mongers
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
The UK did good to exit the EU mess 
Did well?
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Monetary union without political union can not possibly work. The only reason the euro has lasted as long as it has is because it allowed the Germans to export a lot more. Germany is willing to subsidize the rest of Europe as long as they continue to export.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
bingo.  the 2 big take aways most don’t get.   germany and france smartly set up EU to avoid ww3.  so far so good.    per economist newspaper in 2000,  the greatest financial scam of century of 1900s was the italians greeks………..putting their bad paper and money into the EU.   of course germany knew this,  but wanted to be able to export and have a weakened currency.     i vote in EU and USA. i don’t suspect most get this history.   smells like this blog gets it all wrong.    the EU has been a wild success.    avoided huge wars and everyone can move about for jobs and trading…………..
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
A megalomaniac, superfluous , corrupt , worthless, motley, hopelessly divided, fair weather  entity , THAT  is what the EU circus is ! 
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I thought your were talking about us, meaning the U.S. LOL…..and I couldnt argue against that
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Vlaamse Beweging! Freedom for the Flemish.
“Swelling patriotic music”
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I didn’t need it in the first place, but thanks anyway for this too simplistic wikipedia presentation of things !  It is obvious that acultural americans will never understand the thousands years old  cultural-historical heritage of multiple european countries and regions! People are tribal by nature despite desperate attempts by globalists to abolish or even forbid those feelings, that s also the reason why many people (not me) are gushing fanatically with sport teams. Unlike what you may think I personallly don t give a rat’s  *ss about flags(and sport teams), I am simply a non conformist, who wants to live his life, or what s left of it, quietly, in my way without political mfrs telling me what I should do !   Got it ? 
CRS65
CRS65
2 years ago
Who really wants to go back to separate European currencies, hard borders, and freedom of travel, domicile, and ability to work in what every Euro country has the best job opportunities?  The Eurozone has been in existence for less than three decades.  It took the United States well over 20 decades to begin to resemble a cohesive union and we are still trying to make it work.  On Russia, an authoritarian and expansionist Russia is not a natural ally of any liberal democracy country in Europe, full stop!
CRS65
CRS65
2 years ago
Reply to  CRS65
Correction to the first sentence:
borders, and give up freedom to………
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  CRS65
How deluded you are; people could go live and work anywhere even BEFORE the EU, my late father for example,a belgian like me, set up a exporting business in Spain  when Franco was still in charge, even got financial help to do so…what the fck are you EU worshippers on about …life in general was much MUCH better BEFORE the  EU MONSTROSITY started calling the shots !   
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
You are completely right on the part that it was easy to work in other countries even before the EU.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
….being cynical again, frent ? 
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
No. Just truthful. What does frent mean?
CRS65
CRS65
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I am American, I have traveled throughout Europe pre-EU and post-EU.  I have good friends who are citizens in EU countries.  If you put aside nationalistic bias, having open borders, consistent laws and regulations among European nations makes Europe more influential globally from a geopolitical standpoint and more economically successful.  The EU experiment has just begun and will not realize its full potential until the EU begins to be able to issue EU bonds. There are many Americans who complain about regulations and laws pushed down from the Federal government and who delude themselves into thinking that our country would be better off with a weaker federal government and much strong states rights.  The U.S. history, post our civil war, after which the federal government gains significantly more influence over the states, shows that a more unified and centralized system led to greater global influence and a wildly successful economic outcome.
Mr. Purple
Mr. Purple
2 years ago
Almost 80 years since a major European war.  Break up the European Union and it will find a way to reconstitute.  You may not like the method or results.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
The way things are , Europe’s enemy is now the fn US of A !
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
The fact is that the people in Eastern Europe having experienced Russian occupation do not want Russia to come back in their countries. 
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
That’s generalization, definitely not all. Most can make a distinction between USSR and Russia, and having been long enough under the new empire, the attitudes are changing. 
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
The new Russia is looking more and more like the old USSR. That’s the problem.
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The old USSR and and the Bolsheviks had only a minute Russian component, the rest were not Russian.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej
In behavior they are starting to look alike.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Not just Europe. The entire world. Our government is hell bent on starting wars. Trump offered a brief respite, but now the warmongers are back in power, we’re going to push for many wars. The CIA, DOD and State Department lose power when we’re not fighting a war after all. They need something to justify their bloated budgets after Afghanistan. Wonder when we’ll start accusing Putin of using chemical weapons.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Putin has Europe over more of a barrel (of energy) than I thought.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I d say congrats if you read and understand arab, I don t ….  and I am not on fn Twitter either …
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Can’t you get your browser to translate it? Mine did.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I am afraid that unlike most people I don t need translators all of the time….not for the most spoken languages anyway…..oh fck that doesn’t sound very modest does it, so pardon me for once ! 
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
If you don’t need a translator for most spoken languages then I am impressed. There are something like 6,000 of them and you speak most of them. 
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Apart from fn chinese, English and spanish are the most spoken languages…aren t they   
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Didn’t you say most spoken languages, not the languages spoken most. It’s a big difference.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Nitpicker !  ….and out of respect I didn t even add my favourite f word… 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
If I could figure out how to post a screen shot here, I’d give you the translation.  Basically, 85-100% of energy in Finland, Estonia, and Belarus comes from Russia. 85% Lithuania, Serbia and Hungary. 50% Italy, France, and Germany.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Europe is already trying to max LNG imports and that will minimize disruption. If that contines as it is likely to do then we will see a 10-20% drop in natural gas only instead of 40% that comes from Russia. It’s manageable. 
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Only because there is gas in storage … there would be no way to replenish stores next winter
Besides, they are already shutting down steel, fertilizer, and greenhouses … food!
And spot prices range from 20-40× what they were 1½ years ago.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Algeria gas is a problem but basically oil and gas is the only industry in the country and if Algeria cuts off gas to Europe then they also cut off the government’s source of revenue which almost all comes from exports of oil and gas. Considering their weak economic and social situation that would be suicide. Algeria isn’t the Saudi Arabia. It’s more like Nigeria but without the the private sector Nigeria has. I rather doubt that Russia will send a check to Algeria for their help.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
My contact whose tweet I linked says the mission of the US is to cut off all six Russian pipelines into Europe and that they see the Ukraine as a convenient excuse to make that happen….and also that the US is meeting with  OPEC leaders tomorrow with the goal of gaining their assistance.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
This is Europe’s business and the US should stay out of it
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Either We Hang Together, Or We Hang Separately.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
…. old friends are no longer friends and old enemies should no longer be enemies….that s obvious ! ….for Europe anyway …So Yanks fck off for fn once and always !  
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
So you exchange your old friends for your enemies. Sounds like a winning strategy.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I could not agree more.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
If the Russians invade that would be the playbook. The pipelines are cut, OPEC increases production, the US and Australia send in gas, nuclear powerplants in Europe increase production including the six in Germany and the US frees up gas for Europe by increasing the nuclear power production as well. That would replace about half of the shortfall in 2022. The European GDP would decrease by 2 to 3% for the year 2022 and afterwards recover as alternate suplies  kick in (free market Yeah). Russia gas is very expensive if you take in the hidden costs and Europe has finally understood that. The best time would be to delay Russia till early spring but if Putin wants to be stupid Europe will do fine. My EDF contacts walked me through it.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
NO, Europe doesn t understand,  not YOUR  bs anyway; russian gas is cheap and that is what we want….We do not want polluting LNG at 5X russian price ….STOP meddling at our side of the pond, the US has become a fn bunch of bunglers destroying countries and then leaving with the tail between their legs….SO YANKEES GO HOME, nobody needs  your military bases all over the world no longer !  Your fn democracy bible or crucifix has become a fn illusion too, so just  QUIT, your glory days are fn OVER !
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I forgot to mention that since Putin invading the Ukraine will end in disaster then Putin will fall from power and you will have to find a new job.
astroboy
astroboy
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I think the problem has been the US (Obama and Clinton) messing with Ukrainian politics to install pro-Western governments. Putin tolerated a neutral Ukraine, a Ukraine that might join NATA he (and probably most Russians) see as an existential threat and I don’t blame them. I don’t know if Putin could avoid falling from power if an invasion ends in disaster (he probably could and I don’t see why), I definitely don’t see how he could survive Ukraine joining NATO. My guess is that if Putin cuts off gas Europe, except for the Brits and the ex-Warsaw pact, will fold like a cheap suit. Just a guess, I can’t say I’m well informed…..
It’s unfortunate that Obama/Clinton never looked up “strategic overreach” in the dictionary. The US would be a lot better off with Russia as an ally (or at least not an enemy) and concentrate on the real enemy, China. 
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Russia will not cut the gas line … it is NATO threatening to cut off Swift that will automatically make it impossible to pay for any gas.
The idea that invading Ukraine would be very costly is crazy … the Ukrainian army and its advisers would be utterly destroyed in days … it’s not WW2, the Russians have overwhelming 1m accurate artillery from distances of 200km … not to mention a significant lead on all types of missiles. Insurgency? Half of Ukrainians 18-29 are already out of the country, the other half has the least resolve to fight! In many regions, less than half the population is even prepared to strike or demonstrate! According to polls.
Luckily, the Russians don’t want the Ukraine, they just want the US and nuclear strike weapons off their borders.
June 22 Putin said. Centuries of bloody western invasions. Russia has vowed that the next war will not be on their territory.
The whole invasion story is just narrative. How many troops does Russia have in the Western and Southern district normally, within 400 km of the Ukraine border? (Moscow is 450 km). Moscow has 800,000 enlisted, the southern and Western districts are the most populated. All the satellite photos show vehicles parked next to barracks raised years ago. Your leg is being pulled by US/UK war mongers

link to twitter.com

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
WE LOVE THE US……MORE AND MORE !  
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
At some point you should ask yourself why is US fighting for Ukraine as if it was Texas. All right, Ukraine is run from Washington, but why push war in Russia’s backyard from behind the pond? There must be some geopolitical plan.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
….thanks for the translation Ed …Russia has always been a VERY reliable provider till you guys decided messing up….tell Brandon, to cut the BS !
thimk
thimk
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Finland has  robust nuclear power generation capacity ( 35%) . But segments of Europe are highly  dependent on Ruskie nat gas  for what ever . 
Advice for USA , close massive military base in Germany , leave Russian’s nat gas customers  alone . sheesh  
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

One other
thing, The EU and NATO have overlapping members but are two different entities
with totally different purposes. With security issues it is NATO and not the EU
even though the bureaucrats there want to be treated as equal to NATO but they
are not. However if Russia cuts off the gas then the EU bureaucrats will have a
handful managing the economic fallout. That should scare any right-thinking
person. Some pretty in-depth studies have been done and Europe can survive a
Russia cutting off the gas. It would be a somewhat tough two years but nowhere
near what is being said in the press. Economically it can be done and if the
Russians cut the energy vanes to Europe those vanes just might remain closed
forever since in those two years Europe will have diversified their
provisioning in energy away from Russia. That should cause the Russians to rethink their policies.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You are making my sternocleidomastoid muscles swell with anger again…the EU is indeed a utterly worthless bunch, however, making eggs out of an omelette will be quite tough…  That being said , Russia has always been a reliable energy provider for Europe even when it was still called the USSR….ONLY PROBLEM these days is the american political and financial elite thinking they still can and should be running the fn planet….I got news for you : those days are over , time to wake up and ADAPT ….WITHOUT  WARMONGERING !….for a change…   
Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The Russians have thought quite a lot, much more than Biden. They have gamed every possibility 10 moves ahead.
They will not rethink … they can sell their gas to China or put it on a boat as LNG.
They do not want a war on their own territory … it is an existential issue to break US encirclement & US build up of forces & infrastructure on their border.
Anything NATO does to ‘deter’ will actually fuel their resolve.
Your optimism for alternative for competitive energy in Europe is unrealistic. Things are shutting down even without a war or gasline interruption.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

“”The battle for European
integration has failed. It is time to recognise defeat, and to think through
the consequences.

Recognising failure is
a very good and is a necessary step to rectifying the mistakes made. Many now
understand the EU desperately needs reform. The problem is that there is little
consensus on what reforms should be made.

Putting everyone into
the Euro was a big mistake but here again there is no consensus as to how to
rectify that either.

Germany’s reluctance to
reform the EU, modify the Euro and provide a security role that corresponds to
its economic power is also recognized as a deep problem and again no one has an
idea about how make Germany change its orientations.

Most of the member
countries know that the EU is dysfunctional in certain areas which unfortunately
are the ones that count the most but recognize that the institution cannot be
reformed because of two important facts. The first is that all important
decisions must be consensual which means that all those decisions are watered
down to the least common denominator. Secondly is the fact that they do not
trust each other and through experience know that their neighboring countries
don’t necessarily have much interest in their wellbeing. So what do they do?
They won’t leave it like the UK did because after all there are some good
things about the EU and they do not want greater integration because there is
little reason to believe that that would work better either. So what they do is
ignore it if what they want is important enough to them. In effect the large
countries in the EU often did that and got away with it so the small countries
took note and are doing the same thing now.

The rub is the Euro. It’s
a trap for some and a boon for others. It should never have been implemented
and many know it but see no way out unless maybe there is a way out. Each
country has kept their own central banks for “just in case” and many are
working on the “just in case” scenario right now.

There is a sea change
coming in Europe and frankly it’s exciting to see history in action. I just
hope I do not get too much excitement and that it ends well. Although I live in
Europe I am not a citizen. I am American and on the side-lines watching the
game unfold.

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The countries didn’t keep their central bank “just in case”, it’s how the ECB is designed, much like the 13 regional offices of the FED. The difference is, the FED is own by regional banks plus some government appointed cretin, the ECB is governed by member central banks.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Yes they were given that role but they all also have kept their abilities to issue their own currency if necessary or to make parallel currencies as well. Basically they kept all their old functions and the Euro is a add in. The individual Fed regional offices cannot do the functions of a central bank but The Banque de France and the other country central banks can and if necessary will.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Theoretically, it’s always possible, but that would be a nuclear option.
In case of France, that would mean re-introduction of the frank with a low exchange rate that would impact living standards, although help competitively. No government dares to do that. 
Most actions have theoretical opt out, but those are so painful as to practically impossible.
Count into it the present cool-aid of QE and ZIRP.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
It is a nuclear option as you said and it would be introduced only after all other alternatives had been tried but it is there if needed. Who knows what will happen in the future and the Euro is still a young currency. As to trying to figure out the value of the new Franc it really depends on conditions we have no way of knowing. Myself I don’t see a reason for the Euro to break apart now but I have seen some really strange things happening in my life so I might be surprised.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
pure poppycock.   the EU integration from old iron curtain lands into a 400million human confederation has been a wild success.   what you miss is before this happened the savages in europe were in constant warfare for centuries.    i vote in EU and US.   just an fyi.    
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
The ex-Chancellor actually speaks for many in the upper levels in Germany, forget that he was mocked.
Could you imagine an x-leader of any other country heading up a prime Russian strategic roll-out like this pipeline?
caradoc-again
caradoc-again
2 years ago
It’s all a facade. Nation states representing their own interests will trump all else.
Nations don’t have allies, only interests. So long as EU membership is in the interest of the nation state to belong to it will continue. That interest can be a carrot (more trade) or a stick (punishment).
The carrot comes with responsibilities – one day having to bail out Italy perhaps?
Germany is a problem because it has and likes the carrot but doesn’t want the cost/responsibility of Italy/Spain/France. Much like its NATO involvement. It wants the carrot but not the responsibility.
Germany cannot and should not be relied upon. Its only interestedin carrots with no responsibility.
I don’t blame them, we are all like that to a degree if allowed to be without consequence.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Is “integration” a code word for German conquest of Europe without using military force? If so, then failure is a GREAT thing.
LPCONGAS99
LPCONGAS99
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
I would rather see Germany conquer Europe then Europe just hand it over to Islam……..Which France & the UK are well on their way of doing
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
I see it the same as you and have for a decade. The only question is how it falls apart….and when.
Raj Kumar
Raj Kumar
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Sorry Eddie_T, people have been forecasting the demise of EU, in whatever avatar, since its formation in 1956 and it hasn’t happened yet.
As a poster stated earlier EU will continue till it serves the nation states of the EU. In fact this discussion about the demise of the EU has echo’s of what people probably said and thought about at time of the ratification of the US constitution in the 18 century yet here we are.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Raj Kumar
The EU came close to failure in 2008, and none of the problems that caused Greece to blow up have been fixed. Now Germany finds itself  more beholden to Russia than the EU. Germany is the linchpin in the Eurozone, and if they go, the whole house of cards goes. And as the author Mish quoted pointed out, Italy is now essentially a bankrupt nation state that is beyond any reasonable long term bail-out. Eurobonds were the best bet to fix the EU, and they haven’t  arrived in a timely manner.
If you think I want to see Europe go down, you’re very mistaken. But I fail to see how it can be saved. It might end in a  world-wide credit collapse that drives us all into a deep and lasting financial depression. It might also end in war, of which their might be not one, but several, or even a world war. 

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