NO! Reverse repos are the means by which Hedge funds like Millennium Capital Partners (Englander and Novogratz) obtain unlimited free leverage for their basis trades at 0%, literally. 0%. It helps that their CIO is on the board of NY Fed.
thimk
2 years ago
How ironical ,The feds injected so much liquidity into the system but there is nothing to spend it on . (i.e the supply chains are frozen (I.e. Port of Long beach ) ) .
it’s not about main street. it’s about wall street. and gov (free fiscal). not the hoi polloi.
Eddie_T
2 years ago
One more run at this one.
“The Fed’s reverse repo agreements — where the New York Fed’s open market trading desk sells Treasurys to investors in exchange for cash — has soared to all time highs in 2021, with those financial firms parking more than $1 trillion in funds at the Fed in every overnight operation since August…….
Given that the Fed’s repo operations are meant to prevent interest rates from soaring too high, those reverse operations are a way to prevent rates from falling too low.”
So..this is the conventional wisdom of why the Fed does reverse repos.
Question: What does the Fed do with the massive amounts of cash that they get in the reverse repo market these days?
Getting away from the Fed, let’s just look at how it works in other places, okay?
(from the same linked article above, bold type added by me)
“The repo market is essentially a two-way intersection, with cash on one side and Treasury securities on the other. They’re both trying to get to the other side.
One firm sells securities to a second institution and agrees to purchase back those assets for a higher price by a certain date, typically overnight. The contract those two parties draw up is known as a repo. Essentially, it’s a short-term collateralized loan. And just as most loans come with an interest payment, you can think of the difference between the original price and the second, higher price, as the “interest” paid on that loan. It’s also known as “the repo rate.”
Why would two parties want to participate in a process as antiquated as the repo market? Because it ultimately benefits them. Financial firms with large pools of cash would prefer to not just let that money sit around — it doesn’t collect interest, meaning it doesn’t make any money. On the other side, it allows financial institutions to borrow cheaply to fund short-term needs. There’s also (typically) not much risk involved.
Could the Fed be doing the reverse repos to fund short term needs? What would those short term needs amount to? In a time like right now when Treasury deposits just fell off a cliff because of COVID, could they be using the cash to replace the Treasury deposits they’d normally expect to have coming in?
How does the Treasury pay its bills? From the sale of Treasuries it issues, depositing the proceeds of Open Market sales at the Fed.
The Treasury deposits at the Fed have gotten bigger and bigger since 2008. It really blew out to the upside when COVID hit….and got up to 23% of all the Fed liabilities in 2020.
At the same time the Treasury account was falling, the Fed started doing reverse repos on a much larger scale, taking in cash, essentially. Keeping its balance sheet trending higher when it otherwise would have been falling.
Maybe they want to have lots of cash on hand for some excellent reason…but I just have a hard time buying that they’re doing al these repos just to keep interest from dropping…..or just to help out Vanguard and Fidelity.
Webej
2 years ago
Actions by the Fed are reverse magic. In a prosperous economy, capital is plentiful and rates are low.
So, if we take rates lower, the economy will grow.
It’s like watering the streets to make it rain, because streets are wet when it rains.
Or you could compare it to water-boarding people into talking, or, at the moment, getting your own people to insert cytotoxic serum into their circulatory system.
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
QE money, recycled through some non-banking entity (passing through some hands, boosting GDP, creating nothing, wasting electrons), back to FED.
Someone deserves a Nobel prize for this (as good as the previous Nobel prizes).
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Consider…the Fed has four core sources of funding. They include Treasury deposits, banking deposits, currency printing, and reverse repo’s.
Look at Treasury deposits right now. What do you see?
“Consider…the Fed has four core sources of funding. They include Treasury deposits, banking deposits, currency printing, and reverse repo’s.”
…
Huh?
You do realize in reverse repos the Federal Reserve is PAYING (an expense) to counterparties.
Anyways, the Federal Reserve makes beaucoup $$s from interest earned on securities acquired via QE. The way it works the Federal Reserve subtracts its expenses from income earned and remits the balance to US Treasury. Go to page 4 and you will see exactly what Federal Reserve’s income/expenses are. The first 6 months of 2021 the Federal Reserve sent US Treasury $48 billion in “profit”.
“You do realize in reverse repos the Federal Reserve is PAYING (an expense) to counterparties?”
The Fed gets the SECURITIES…….(UST’S etc.) to hold. That goes to the POSITIVE side of their balance sheet, right? I’m not an accountant, but isn’t that the way that works?
If you take the RRP’s, the currency in circulation, the Treasury deposits, and the banking deposits from the member banks, it adds up to the total amount of the Fed’s balance sheet at any moment in recent history you’d like to examine. I have a chart for that I happen to be looking at now, but it’s not on the net, AFAIK. The information is there to check though, if you wished to do so. It’s public on the Fed site.
You can also see that when COVID hit, that Treasury deposits made a huge jump….and when they started falling off almost exactly a year later, the amount of RRP’s started rising almost immediately and it brought the Fed’s balance sheet back up….actually it kept it rising, even as the Fed reduced the Treasuries on it’s books.
“the amount of RRP’s started rising almost immediately and it brought the Fed’s balance sheet back up.”
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Reverse repos is a swap of securities … ie: balance sheet neutral (And when exactly has the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet gone down other than the run off a few years ago?).
Horse’s mouth:
“When the Desk conducts RRP open market operations, it sells securities held in the System Open Market Account (SOMA) to eligible RRP counterparties, with an agreement to buy the assets back on the RRP’s specified maturity date. This leaves the SOMA portfolio the same size”
You are conflating QE with Reverse Repos. In Reverse repos Federal Reserve swaps treasuries they hold for $US (to drain liquidity out of the system). An exchange of assets already existing.
QE is the “thin air” stuff. Not considered “printing” since (theoretically) reversible by selling securities or allowing them to run off (mature). Either operation sucks $US out of the system.
I do appreciate your patience with a lay citizen with limited financial education. I’m just trying to understand it all, and I appreciate each and every response. I stand corrected.
What do you make of the so-called Gramm-Saving theory?
I am reading the article linked below now, which is the argument the WSJ was rebutting in the last linked article above. I will say that Gramm seems to make sense to me. This was written in 2019 before COVID, which means it was written at a time when the expectations were for the economy heating up. But the principles still apply, I suppose.
It was very interesting to me that in 2014 and 2015 that so much of the nations’s debt service was paid for by the Fed selling off the QE assets and making a profit….after the profligate Obama era spending, which Gramm attributed to the Fed.
(per Gramm)
” While the initial injection of liquidity into the economy in 2008 clearly helped stabilize financial markets and was a classic central‐bank response to a financial crisis, the subsequent monetary easing programs of the Obama era were unprecedented. After the recovery began, further monetary easing did little to strengthen the economy, but at least in part due to monetary easing, the Obama administration was able to double the federal debt held by the public while reducing the cost of servicing that debt below the interest costs that had been incurred when the debt was only half as large.”
and
“The policy effect embodied in setting the interest rate paid on excess reserves is that, if the rate is set above the market alternative for banks, they will expand their holding of excess reserves and the money supply will fall. If the interest rate on excess reserves is set at the market rate, other things being the same, the money supply will remain unchanged. Finally, if market interest rates rise and the rate paid by the Fed on bank reserves stays the same or rises by less, banks will expand loans and the money supply will rise. Before the Fed started paying interest on reserves, the money supply changed only when the Fed acted. Now if market interest rates rise and the Fed does not raise the rate it pays on excess reserves or take other actions to reduce bank reserves, the money supply rises. As a result, to maintain any given money supply, the Fed must respond to changes in market interest rates. In doing so the Fed becomes an interest rate follower, not an interest rate leader.
and
“The Fed faces several other challenges. A rise in market interest rates will increase the velocity of money, the ratio of the value of money the public chooses to hold relative to the size of GDP. Velocity fell by 28 percent in the decade after the financial crisis as the cost of holding money fell to virtually zero, but as interest rates have started to rise velocity has risen 1.5 interest rates increase in the future, velocity can be expected to rise as people economize on the holding of money, and the demand for goods and services will rise. To maintain price stability in an environment of rising interest rates, the Fed will not only have to prevent an explosion of bank lending and the money supply, it will also have to reduce bank reserves to prevent the increase in velocity from inflating demand and igniting inflation.
A second complication is that the Fed does not mark its assets to market. Every increase in market interest rates drives down the market value of its Treasury and MBS holdings and will require the Fed to sell more and more of the book value of its portfolio to lower the monetary base by a given amount. Selling assets at their lower market value would deplete both the value of the Feds asset holdings and its earnings. The Fed carries its holdings of MBSs on its books as being worth $1.68 trillion, the price at which they were purchased. But since mortgage rates have risen by an average of 40 basis points since the MBSs were purchased, those same MBSs would now sell for only some $1.52 trillion. The same principle applies to Treasury bonds and notes that were bought for $2.3 trillion but would today sell for only some $2.15 trillion. Their market devaluation will increase in proportion to rising interest rates.
To avoid these losses, the Fed can hold its Treasuries and MBSs to maturity. But the long maturity of the Fed’s portfolio means that as interest rates rise and the Fed is forced to pay banks higher interest rates on reserves to prevent them from expanding lending and the money supply, its earnings on the bonds it holds will not grow. As a result, Fed profits will fall as interest rates rise.
In both 2014 and 2015, the Fed earned large profits on its portfolio and transferred earnings of almost $100 billion each year to the Treasury. In both years those earnings covered an astonishing 40 percent of the total cost of servicing the entire federal debt. The transfer of earnings from the Fed to the Treasury in 2017 fell to $80 billion, which funded only 30 percent of the Treasury’s debt servicing costs. In 2018 Fed earnings were sharply lower at $65.4 billion. Fed earnings continue to drop sharply. The decline in the payment of Fed earnings to the Treasury will drive up the federal budget deficit and Treasury borrowing and in turn put upward pressure on interest rates. Once the public understands that the Fed is paying banks not to lend during a time of rising interest rates, a political blowback seems inevitable.”
It looks like a real economic recovery is about the last thing the Fed would ever want, now that they’ve headed down this path. It works against them if you believe Gramm.
What will happen to gold prices if FFR goes below zero? Right now, they are in the toilet. Can’t imagine ANY scenario where gold and gold stock prices go up in a sustained way.
The thing about gold is everything the FED does is positive for gold. Everything they say is negative. Eventually people will pay more attention to what they do than what they say.
They clearly do. There’s something that sells billions in gold contracts at the worst possible time for the seller to make money. The best possible time to drive the price down. Has to be a central bank or banks. No one else could afford that.
Which will be about the time it gets outlawed again.
tbergerson
2 years ago
Mish, isnt there a serious term mismatch here? As I understand it, repos and reverse repos are short term, like usually overnight, maybe a couple of days in length. Now if they are just indefinitely rolled over that can be a distinction without a difference. I get that. Whereas QE removes Treasuries (and MBS) from the secondary market forever. Well, until the Treasury sells more into the secondary market (and the Fed buying securities only days after issuance by Treasury looks like a thinly veiled end run about prohibitions against central bank monetization of sovereign debt).
Also, as a mere point of precision, you state that the Fed should not even exist (why is there even a Fed?). More precisely I think that the FOMC (the subset of the Fed that everyone just considers the “Fed” but that is the group that sets the rate for Fed Funds [overnight lending between Money Center and other Federal Reserve Member banks to allow them all to cover reserve requirements every day]) should not exist. The FOMC is no different than the old fashioned depression era Price Control Boards that set prices for things like raisins or wheat. It is an anachronism.
The Fed though in the larger sense manages the payments clearing system and provides other useful services. I also think that it could retain some rump form of FOMC that would step in in a period of severe market stress to tamp things down (provide liquidity to otherwise solvent institutions, a la Bagehot I believe, that would fail merely from liquidity stress in a panic). This was after all what led to its creation after the panic of 1907, when JP Morgan stepped in to fill that role. Wall Street realized that JP Morgan would not be around forever and some more institutionalized organ could be created to fill his role. Of course like all such institutions their mandate grows and grows until it no longer resembles what it was initially created for (like Central Banks now spreading out into Climate Change to accommodate pressure from the Warmists, the religious cult pressing for ridiculous extensions of government power).
whirlaway
2 years ago
“The Fed accumulated longer term securities, suppressing rates on mortgages, while ridding itself of shorter term securities. “
That sounds like Operation Twist to me. Is there a difference between that and Reverse Repos?
whirlaway
2 years ago
Meanwhile, house prices are going crazy. A house on my street was sold for 570K in Aug 2020. An almost exactly identical house on the same street sold this month for 789K. That’s a price gain of 38.4% – in ONE year!
I think it’s more correct to say that the Fed lowers the incentive for banks to lend, since they can make a spread with no risk by depositing YOUR money from your bank account with the Fed….as long as the system doesn’t implode.
So, I wondered how the hell banks don’t go out of business if they have to charge very low interest, and they’re making fewer and fewer loans. It doesn’t sound much like a business plan, on the face of it.
The answer, to some degree, is that they can charge usurious rates on credit cards. They make more than double the profit on CC “loans” than on other assets.
“Changes in overall returns to credit card operations from 2018 to 2019 can be better understood by reviewing how individual expense and revenue items changed among the constant sample of credit card
banks (table 2). Net interest income decreased slightly for credit card banks from 2018 to 2019 because of both lower interest income and higher interest expense. At the same time, credit card banks slightly decreased their provisions for loan losses. Delinquency rates and charge-off rates for credit card loans across all banks increased modestly in 2019 but remained below their historical averages.
Credit card earnings have almost always been higher than returns on all bank activities, and earnings patterns for 2019 were consistent with historical experience.
The average return before taxes and extraordinary items, was 1.65 percent for all banks, compared with 4.14 percent for the sample of all large credit card banks (as shown in tables 1 and 2).”
Aren’t they predominately holding Treasuries and MBS’ s…just like the Fed is?
Begs the question of exactly what is it being hedged here. Who benefits from the banks holding massive amounts of US government paper that they never used to hold in the old days?
These assets (Treasury and Agency securities and MBS’s) held by the Fed member banks have more than tripled since 2008……and they took another big spike just in October of 2020.
This reminds me of the chain drug stores that sell cans of tuna fish, and toilet paper; all the while it is the pharmacy that is generating all the revenue. Could all other banking services just be a show to distract from credit card revenue and also to grease the skids of inflation?
They make a ton of money in fees too (fees to use ATM’s, over charge fees, account maintenance fees etc). The poor mostly pay these because they don’t have minimum balances to get them waived.
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One firm sells securities to a second institution and agrees to purchase back those assets for a higher price by a certain date, typically overnight. The contract those two parties draw up is known as a repo. Essentially, it’s a short-term collateralized loan. And just as most loans come with an interest payment, you can think of the difference between the original price and the second, higher price, as the “interest” paid on that loan. It’s also known as “the repo rate.”
A second complication is that the Fed does not mark its assets to market. Every increase in market interest rates drives down the market value of its Treasury and MBS holdings and will require the Fed to sell more and more of the book value of its portfolio to lower the monetary base by a given amount. Selling assets at their lower market value would deplete both the value of the Feds asset holdings and its earnings. The Fed carries its holdings of MBSs on its books as being worth $1.68 trillion, the price at which they were purchased. But since mortgage rates have risen by an average of 40 basis points since the MBSs were purchased, those same MBSs would now sell for only some $1.52 trillion. The same principle applies to Treasury bonds and notes that were bought for $2.3 trillion but would today sell for only some $2.15 trillion. Their market devaluation will increase in proportion to rising interest rates.
To avoid these losses, the Fed can hold its Treasuries and MBSs to maturity. But the long maturity of the Fed’s portfolio means that as interest rates rise and the Fed is forced to pay banks higher interest rates on reserves to prevent them from expanding lending and the money supply, its earnings on the bonds it holds will not grow. As a result, Fed profits will fall as interest rates rise.
In both 2014 and 2015, the Fed earned large profits on its portfolio and transferred earnings of almost $100 billion each year to the Treasury. In both years those earnings covered an astonishing 40 percent of the total cost of servicing the entire federal debt. The transfer of earnings from the Fed to the Treasury in 2017 fell to $80 billion, which funded only 30 percent of the Treasury’s debt servicing costs. In 2018 Fed earnings were sharply lower at $65.4 billion. Fed earnings continue to drop sharply. The decline in the payment of Fed earnings to the Treasury will drive up the federal budget deficit and Treasury borrowing and in turn put upward pressure on interest rates. Once the public understands that the Fed is paying banks not to lend during a time of rising interest rates, a political blowback seems inevitable.”
Oops! I know they can’t.
That sounds like Operation Twist to me. Is there a difference between that and Reverse Repos?
banks (table 2). Net interest income decreased slightly for credit card banks from 2018 to 2019 because of both lower interest income and higher interest expense. At the same time, credit card banks slightly decreased their provisions for loan losses. Delinquency rates and charge-off rates for credit card loans across all banks increased modestly in 2019 but remained below their historical averages.