U.S. Cases Top 150,000 for First Time
Please note U.S. Cases Top 150,000 for First Time
- New U.S. cases topped 150,000 for the first time, and hospitalizations hit another all-time high according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
- The U.S. death toll surpassed 242,000 as more than 900 new fatalities were reported.
- California became the second state in the country after Texas to surpass one million total cases.
- New York City public schools could close as soon as Monday. School districts nationwide are split on closing plans.
- Ohio and Minnesota each topped 7,000 daily cases for the first time since the pandemic began, while Pennsylvania and Indiana reported more than 6,000 cases in a day,
‘Catastrophic’ Lack of Hospital Beds in Upper Midwest
A coronavirus cases surge, the Midwest is hit with a ‘Catastrophic’ Lack of Hospital Beds.
Covid’s long, dark winter has already arrived in the Upper Midwest, as cases and deaths surge, snatching lives, overwhelming hospitals, exhausting health-care providers and raising fears that the region’s medical system will be completely overwhelmed in the coming days.
Experts say that cases are surging in the region as the weather has turned colder and more people are forced inside — into more poorly ventilated indoor spaces where transmission thrives.
The situation has become so acute that even some leaders who previously resisted restrictions have moved toward new strictures. Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds in Iowa, long an opponent of closures and mask-wearing as “feel-good” options, this week moved to prohibit maskless indoor gatherings of 25 or more and require those attending larger outdoor events to wear a mask.
In Minnesota, Gov. Tim Walz (D) has warned of more “nightmare” numbers to come, even as the state has instituted new restrictions on bars, restaurants and social gatherings in an attempt to stop the spread. On Friday, Minnesota will begin limiting social gatherings to 10 people or less and tightening restrictions on larger social receptions as the country heads into a holiday season when doctors fear multigenerational family gatherings could become superspreader events.
“We had months to prepare for this, we saw it happen in other states that were hit earlier. Why weren’t we prepared for what was coming?” said Sarah Newton, chief medical officer of the hospital in tiny Linton, N.D., population 997.
“I felt so emotionally overwhelmed by what I was seeing. I felt like I was screaming into a void. I was drowning in my own hospital,” Newton said.
Why Weren’t We Prepared?
I am not sure it was possible to be fully prepared for this, but we certainly could have been better prepared.
The one-word answer to why we weren’t is obvious: Trump.
Trump wanted nothing to do with masks and even ripped one off is face in a Superman imitation after he caught the disease himself.
Note that the North Dakota governor has allowed Covid-positive nurses to keep working.
Is that crazy or what?
Covid Timeline: What Did Trump Say and When?
For months on end, Trump made the same claim over and over: This will soon go away.
If you think I am exaggerating, please see Covid Timeline: What Did Trump Say and When?
I count close to 200 instances of Trump of misleading or inaccurate statements by Trump and I am positive the list is not complete.
And every step of the way, Trump fans put their misguided faith into his comments.
People don’t take this seriously even still. Some insist on Twitter this is a scam.
Thank Trump for this behavior.
Unfortunately, it still takes days to get results from a test in many place.
Trump’s Bet
Instead of doing more testing, Trump bet on a vaccine, and lost.
The long dark winter has arrived.
Mish
Not prepared? Speak for yourself. I have access to the same information(and mis-information) as everyone else. Nothing was preventing anyone from taking precautions, preparing, and getting ready. We’ve had many pandemic close calls in our lifetime. I take responsibility for my own safety and welfare. I don’t wait for officials, politicians, the media BS machine, or anyone else to tell me what to do. I’ve been preparing for a worst case scenario since March 2020. If you wait for someone else or ‘the news’ to tell you what to do, you are too late. Classic Ant and the Grasshopper fable. Everyone had all Summer long to prepare. No excuses, and no sympathy for those that aren’t prepared for these very difficult months. Good luck Grasshoppers, see you in the Spring. Maybe.
“Instead of doing more testing, Trump bet on a vaccine, and lost.”
Elon Musk was tested 4 times in short order, as he wanted to be at the launch. Twice positive, twice negative.
“The one-word answer to why we weren’t is obvious: Trump.”
Trump didn’t block hydroxychoroquine.
Over the weekend it was mentioned on KTLA that the hospitalization rate was 12%.
Dr. Zelenko treated some 400 high risk patients early on with only 1% being hospitalized, after treating them with HCQ, zinc and Zpac.
We’ll be in the Keys by the weekend having fun in the sun and fishing. We are prepared for sun and fun. Live your lives, it doesn’t hurt healthy people if you’re sick stay in and hide. This is just another way of the Oligarchs thinning the hurd. I wonder when the civil war starts, that’s surely what we need anyway, you know for global warming purposes. LMAO
Ridiculous.
The “virus” has a 99.6% survival rate.
No masks needed. Even the box says it can’t stop viruses.
No vaccine needed.
No lockdown needed.
You are a bunch of simpletons admiring the naked emperor’s pretty clothes.
We are victims of predictive programming from movies warning us of pandemics and zombies….at least we can now identify the zombies. The zombies wear masks and will get euthanized by the coming vaccine. Good riddance.
Just so you know, the “99.6% survival rate” is one of many false pieces of data floating around. 99.6% for whom? Age 25-45? People who aren’t obese and don’t have heart disease or diabetes? The official death rate in the US is 2.2%. You can reduce it to 0.4%, though, if you look at it hard enough, and use enough imagination.
It certainly is true that the death rate for people with masks is lower than for those without. For them it might be 0.4%. In fact it might be even lower.
Suppose it should be found one day that SARS-Cov2 is transmitted through faeces rather than being airborne….
“It certainly is true that the death rate for people with masks is lower than for those without.”
Wonderful. Then wear a mask if you believe that helps and let us who don’t want to wear a mask take our chances.
As to 99.6%, that is a valid figure for EVERYONE. If you want to slice and dice by age, you can get all sorts of different numbers.
Here’s an interesting story I haven’t see anywhere but NPR.
China Is Inoculating Thousands With Unapproved COVID-19 Vaccines. Why?
November 12, 2020
The Gov of N. Dakota cannot absolve any COVID infected nurse from liability for infecting a patient/co-worker with an ‘edict’. The Nurse Practice Act in every state charges each practioner to present to work ‘healthy’ and fit for duty, as determined by the license holder, not the state or the employer. Nurses who go to work with a know COVID infection are breaking the law, plain and simple, not to mention risking their own lives as well as everyone around them they expose to the virus.
As a contract nurse who has worked in both Dakotas, I’m not surprised that those folks are waiting til their house is FULLY on fire before call 911. I refuse to participate in the clusterF%&^ that is going on in those states when they won’t even do the bare minimum to protect themselves (wear a mask). If U don’t care about your OWN life, U damn sure don’t care about MINE….
Trump has said aternately that the virus is a hoax, that it’s a Chinese military-grade bioweapon, that it’s no worse than the flu, that Biden is conspiring with vaccine manufacturers to help him “steal” the election, and that masks and lockdowns and social distancing are pointless. It’s no wonder we have a skyrocketing number of cover cases, we’ve had an insane person as president.
Sure. You realize that 90% of the country doesn’t watch the news (national or local) and their primary interest is celebrity gossip and what is going on with the Bachelor and Bachelorette shows? Most of the country paid no real attention to Trump and similarly, will pay no real attention to Biden.
I really do think you miss Chicago.
Might want to call E. Musk and L. Sabin about testing… a lot of false positives and false negatives with same test and testers. Not resolved until FDA approved test.
Same for me. positive test from County, no symptoms now for over three weeks. Contacted by three test and trace from County and Feds who promised to to send email… none.
Researched my test… not FDA approved and no data on website or anywhere for company on false positive or false negatives.
Pushing on a scam.
If you want to be banned – It’s easy. Make a comment like this :
“WTF, Is this MSNBC, or CNN. Must have fat fingered the wrong bookmark. I was looking for an objective financial/economic blog. Not some “orange man bad” hit farm political pundit site.”
The spread of coronavirus is directly proportional to a societys attitudes and behaviours. As per the following link, with Trump undermining any states response that dont align with his “hoax” theme, it is not surprising that the US is at the top.
How one can not agree with the following statement that Trump aided the spread by encouraging this is a “hoax’” is mind boggling.
“For months on end, Trump made the same claim over and over: This will soon go away.
If you think I am exaggerating, please see Covid Timeline: What Did Trump Say and When?
I count close to 200 instances of Trump of misleading or inaccurate statements by Trump and I am positive the list is not complete.
And every step of the way, Trump fans put their misguided faith into his comments.”
‘The virus going away soon’ was merely wishful thinking by scientists, by Trump, and by most of us, with each and everyone of us being free to do what was considered convenient….Blaming it all on Trump now is ever so shortsighted and utterly IDIOTIC !
“‘The virus going away soon’ was merely wishful thinking by scientists, by Trump, and by most of us, with each and everyone of us being free to do what was considered convenient….Blaming it all on Trump now is ever so shortsighted and utterly IDIOTIC !”
-The virus going away soon was only wishful thinking by Trump and not Scientists.
-I would disagree with most of us expecting this virus to go away soon. Many of us especially scientists expected this to continue when the virus first came out. I remember making a post about this when this started in February on the following post:
Roadrunner12
Feb 21
For my 2 cents, I find it hard to believe that the coronavirus is not here to stay. Wondering how this plays out over the summer especially with respect to North America, will we see a lull over the summer and then a full blown knockout punch over the remainder of the year?
Quarantines will only buy time. Also from my perspective, Britain looks to be ahead of the curve compared to everybody else in respects to preparation.
-Also how will various govts respond across the world once this hits their countries?
“Blaming it all on Trump now is ever so shortsighted and utterly IDIOTIC !”
Really?
Exactly. I don’t know what Brussels is thinking, but no serious scientists expected this to go away. In fact, quite the opposite, most scientists expected this to be worse that it has turned out to have been. Thankfully a large portion of the population gets a mild case. As bad as Trump looks with the way things turned out, he could have looked much, much, much worse. His approach was idiotic, but Covid turned out milder than expected, so “only” 1200 a day were dying at the time of the election, rather than 2-3000 a day that many expected. Of course, 1200 a day dying it still far worse than “poof, it will be gone”, so Trump still gets a zero.
The best course of action is normally to plan for the worst, and hope for the best. Trump planned for the best, so when it was better than expected, it was still far, far worse than he was prepared for.
A few more weeks and you are going to have to start replacing “Trump” with “Biden” because I guarantee that he doesn’t have a magic CV-19 disappearance wand.
Although realistically, if we just let this thing runs its course, it will be gone (would have been gone by now) and we can all move on with life.
So if scientists say it will never disappear, how can you actually blame Trump? Trump did not create the virus, did he?
How we blame Trump? How can we not blame Trump? Trump inserted himself into the epicenter of the pandemic response, and politicized it. He expected that the results would be good, and he wanted full credit for the good outcome he expected. Unfortunately, however, the results were not good. When he gets blamed for the bad results, we are just giving him what he asked for: full credit (and blame) for the outcome.
Jojo, don’t worry, I’ll be happy to blame Biden if he makes poor decisions that lead to poor results.
….and the Pfizer vaccine is a JOKE, a very expensive one, even when successful… required storage and logists at -70° C, it takes a double jab on top of that, go figure how that is going to be achieved for hundreds of millions or even bilions of shots, half of them will become worthless or even lethal before being applied !…And to think that Russia has a much cheaper, 92% effective solution…..but it is not politically correct to be even mentioned of course …..Screwing up POLITICIZED IDIOTS !
Where is the audit of this Putin Vaccine from a reputable source. Even Russians don’t trust this vaccine. Just another Putin “super secret program.”
An staggering proportion of all Covid19 fatalities is still taking place in assisted living facilities. We are talking almost 50% here. And we know very well why too.
Yet, neither in Europe nor in the USA do we have official guidelines to contain the spread of the virus in these facilities.
Governments on both sides of the pond are happy to issue mandates for mask wearing and to confine the population. Nobody seems to be looking at the elephant in the room however.
This is not a Trump thing.
The Marine Corps study was to determine length of time necessary to quarantine a group to wipe out the virus.
The study group had incoming people with the virus… “within 2 days after arrival on campus, 16 (0.9%) tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, 15 of whom were asymptomatic. An additional 35 participants (1.9%) tested positive on day 7 or on day 14″…
It’s not like the virus magically appeared in a group of people who were proven to never had the virus and lived in individual plastic bubbles.
Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
SCIENCE proves that strict military isolation, masking and cleaning does no better than nothing special in stopping CV-19. Whatcha gonna do now?
Even a Military-Enforced Quarantine Can’t Stop the Virus, Study Reveals
Jeffrey A. Tucker
– November 13, 2020
The New England Journal of Medicine has published a study that goes to the heart of the issue of lockdowns. The question has always been whether and to what extent a lockdown, however extreme, is capable of suppressing the virus. If so, you can make an argument that at least lockdowns, despite their astronomical social and economic costs, achieve something. If not, nations of the world have embarked on a catastrophic experiment that has destroyed billions of lives, and all expectation of human rights and liberties, with no payoff at all.
AIER has long highlighted studies that show no gain in virus management from lockdowns. Even as early as April, a major data scientist said that this virus becomes endemic in 70 days after the first round of infection, regardless of policies. The largest global study of lockdowns compared with deaths as published in The Lancet found no association between coercive stringencies and deaths per million.
To test further might seem superfluous but, for whatever reason, governments all over the world, including in the US, still are under the impression that they can affect viral transmissions through a range of “nonpharmaceutical interventions” (NPIs) like mandatory masks, forced human separation, stay-at-home orders, bans of gatherings, business and school closures, and extreme travel restrictions. Nothing like this has been tried on this scale in the whole of human history, so one might suppose that policy makers have some basis for their confidence that these measures accomplish something.
A study conducted by Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in cooperation with the Naval Medical Research Center sought to test the whole idea of lockdowns. In May, 3,143 new recruits to the Marines were given the option to participate in a study of extreme quarantine (along with extreme antivirus measures) or not. The study was called CHARM, which stands for COVID-19 Health Action Response for Marines. Of the recruits asked, a total of 1,848 young people agreed to be guinea pigs in this experiment. The remaining ones went about their normal basic training in regular ways.
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Tell that to the Aussies. They might disagree.
Interesting study. The main limitation is that it was done over a 2 week period. Our form of lockdown is meant to flatten the curve to avoid exponential growth, so 2 weeks isn’t long enough to see if that was avoided. Still, this is one contagious bug, not sure how the virus got introduced if they were completely separate but presumably someone in the quarantine group was harboring it.
Could be in the air. On surfaces. Coming up from the toilets. Who knows?
There’s a new story about poll workers getting sick, despite all the many precautions taken to prevent CV-19 transmission.
Poll workers contract virus, but Election Day link unclear
By ANTHONY IZAGUIRRE
15 Nov 2020
Despite painstaking efforts to keep election sites safe, some poll workers who came in contact with voters on Election Day have tested positive for the coronavirus, including more than two dozen in Missouri and cases in New York, Iowa, Indiana and Virginia.
The infections cannot be tied definitively to polling places. Because COVID-19 is spreading rapidly in the U.S., there is no way to determine yet whether in-person voting on Election Day contributed to the surge, public health experts said.
Still, the infections among poll workers raise concerns because of how many people passed through voting sites, which implemented social-distancing rules, erected protective barriers and stocked sanitizer, masks, gloves and other safety gear. In most places, poll workers were required to wear masks.
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All fine to blame Trump, but their are much deeper forces at play. For example Charles Koch’s libertarian anti-regulation, anti-health care, anti-social services, anti-taxes, anti-doing-anything-whatsoever-to-stop-climate-change agenda – evan Koch now apparently regrets the mess he helped create.
Now that the court battle is over and will be conservative for the better part of the next 20 years. I don’t believe a single word he says. Once the corporate AMT passes, there will be no loopholes for corporations to do an end around.
“Trump didn’t just not prepare, he blocked the federal apparatus from even doing basic preparations that were part of basic government functioning”
Bingo – how the hell can anyone not see this?
TDS Type II is the most likely explanation but that does not fit everyone – Puzzled by the rest
You need facts, tables, the actual orders and timelines for a start. Secondly you need to show that other world leaders especially in Europe followed Trump’s lead in fucking up. Also you should show timelines and quotes from the opposition in which they gave the correct advice, especially early in when speed was critical. You also have to prove that fuck ups came from above and were not just due to incompetence below. It is clear to you because you believe not because you know. Others want to know before they believe.
Respectfully, I think any fair-minded observer can see several forks in the flow chart where Trump erred mightily.
The biggest thing, early on, was a decision to be cavalier. He did this to appeal to his conspiracy-theory loving base, who were already drinking the ant-mask, “COVID is a hoax” Kool-aid.
He did this in a way calculated to get votes in the election, not out of any sense of what was right or wrong. In many other ares I could point out, this has been his MO all along……he has very few strongly held principles that guide him….but he has an idiot-savant’s sense of what the dumb public wants to hear. And….he’s eager to exploit that.
Then….his closely held belief that the federal bureaucracy, including our public health system, was something he need to either control….or discredit…or maybe demolish……led him to ignore the advice of the best experts we had……
And….his own profound ignorance about science….allowed him to be swayed by the same stupid conspiracy-theory Kool-aid as his base…..because he truly is one of them….he thinks that because he is a high-rolling businessman and a celebrity….that he actually knows something…..and he knows nothing about science in general, or virology….or public health in particular.
He didn’t to listen to people who wanted to help him….and before the pandemic even started….he and his austerity loving side-kick Pence were busy trying to completely dismantle the very system that was set up to deal with a pandemic in the first place.
Yes….I am capable of doing the kind of research you’re talking about…..putting up timelines and tables and making flow charts and showing a proof of exactly what I’m talking about……but I hardly need to do that to see the truth on this one.
As I said before……Trump miscalculated badly, shot himself right in the foot, and lost an election he could easily have won……and I’m not saying that because I’m some kind of campaigner with my own axe to grind….or some kind of True Believer in any of the many false narratives that fill the airwaves and newspapers…..but because it’s as obvious as the nose on your face.
Then explain why the leaders in 90% of European countries made the same errors both on the left and the right many who are considered to be competent with highly developed health care systems? Different methods were tried and different treatments implemented yet the net result was roughly the same just about everywhere except in a few countries favored mainly by geography that helped isolating incoming infections. If the US was an isolated case then I would say sure Trump or perhaps Fauci fucked up but it’s not. This is a worldwide phenomena. This pandemic will be over soon but it could be just a dress rehearsal for the next one. To put down the bad result to the political head at the time is counterproductive to finding the real reasons why the result was so bad in so many countries at the same time. To assume that “if we had been in power we would have done a lot better” is a fallacy and serves only to hide the real reasons why we weren’t ready on almost all levels and to ignore that will lead you to make the same mistakes the next time around. This is too important to leave it to the normal political bullshit that we have been seeing and frankly Mish you gave us your opinion thank you but please understand that it is just an opinion and not fact because the facts are still being studied and compiled.
Europe didn’t contact trace from my understanding. The only countries that contact traced in a coordinated centralized way were South Korea, Japan, Singapore and New Zealand. Others did in some other ways but it wasn’t mandatory.
They talked about it but there are just too many ways to get into the country. Being isolated is an advantage because you can control better your points of entry. It didn’t work for the UK or Ireland though. The traffic was just too heavy. Incredibly stupid political decisions were made like letting into France 5000 Italian football supporters because the minister of sport insisted on it.
No I don’t think it’s a hoax obviously. It’s real but this time we lucked out because although terrible Covid is nowhere near what was the 1918 Flu. The fact is that we have made so little progress when it comes to respiratory viral diseases that even now we have no real effective treatments. We basically had to say wash your hands and wear a mask. That is what we said back in 1918. That is how little progress we have had. Think about that. There are Influenza strains out there that kill 50% of people (Madagascar 2009). What would happen if that had got into the general population in 2020? All countries have detailed plans for scenarios like this but a plan, even a good one, is useless if the people on the ground who are tasked to follow it are underfunded, under-trained and badly lead on the local level. The CDC can’t be everywhere. It doesn’t have the manpower. Unfortunately the local level had been starved of resources for over 15 years now and to be honest local leaders never gave it much thought. The next time we better be ready and politicking away the problems is criminal and assuming “my side” will do a better job because it is “my side” is the height of stupidity. There were grave errors on all levels because of complacency and entrenched bureaucracy and leadership failures.
Additionally Europe opened restaurants and bars in the late summer. Big mistake. That is the primary cause of their second wave along with their kissing culture (Spain and Italy).
I love how you say the pandemic is a dress rehearsal for the next one. As if it is not a real pandemic. Do you think the the pandemic is a hoax ?
This is the CDC’s plan on how to handle an Influenza pandemic. It’s a great plan and if it had been able to be implemented as written it would have worked but several fuck ups occurred at several levels. Read it through and compare the plan to what really happened to understand why it didn’t work as expected. Read all of it.
That is a strawman argument sir.
I was referring to Mr. Trump, and everything I said about him specifically is true and relevant to the discussion. Other leaders and other countries are a different subject.
This is a pandemic….people are going to be sick, lots of them, no matter what anybody does…but that does not excuse Mr. Trump and his mismanagement of the situation.
What we needed was a top-led coherent national strategy that used every tool at our disposal to try to limit our losses….instead we got a politically motivated, divisive, counterproductive mess.
Sorry bud, arguing about what was done and said in early days is pointless and stupid now (do you still believe in the tooth fairy because that was what you were told in your early days?)
We are 10 months in now.
We know far more now than we did then.
The thing that knocked down the first spike was the shut-down. There can be no argument about that. That was shown in every country.
The leader of this country has ignored that, plus denigrated all lesser mitigation efforts.
I don’t really give a FF of what your domestic politics are in your adopted France are but I would guess there are the same bunch of bad-faith hoaxers and people who want business as usual making up half the population.
Everyone knew that fall would bring problems, even last spring.
But you really don’t have to plan if “it’s just going to go away”, do you?
Every govenor in this country is hamstrung by the split in voters–you saw the election.
Every mitigation effort has been opposed in every state where they have been proposed. Largely reinforced by the covidiocy of Trump and his followers.
How many US states have resisted masking?
In El Paso Texas, the proposed shut-down has been fought in the court and over-turned.
The last big gun in stopping the virus–gone.
Thank the Texas Tea Party idiots……like our (indicted but not yet convicted) AG…and our flag-waving, Bible thumping Lt. Gov.
You never cease to amaze me at you propensity to believe one-liners are arguments.
We are so lucky in Colorado not to be confused. Mish you should move here. The Denver Post reported a week ago the state’s corona virus task force sent and email om April to the Health Director to save all emails and documents so the State could learn from its corona experience.
They now have been deleted, and the Governor now says he is committed to transparency.
Did Trump do it?
Trump didn’t just not prepare, he blocked the federal apparatus from even doing basic preparations that were part of basic government functioning
Bingo – how the hell can anyone not see this?
TDS Type II is the explanation
In cases per million people, US is 15th highest in the world–meaning there are 200 countries that have done better.
Of course leadership has responsibility for such a dismal outcome.
We had all the means and methods to step on the pandemic and join the 100 or so countries with a below-average case level
Don’t be stupid about it.
US cases per million– 33,300
World average cases per million–6,800
and for phil from flanders, Belgium at 44,000 per million
thanks ! We are the champions ….of the woooooorld (Queen)
Somehow I am not surprised.
Crummy article, but I have no problem with this at all.
In other news, Charles Koch has had his own come-to-Jesus moment, and is now publicly stating that he was wrong to completely pack the entire state and federal governments of the whole country with Tea Party assholes….and now is ready to work for bipartisan change.
Now that…is a significant happening……much more so than a change of party in the White House.
I expect, like Robert McNamara before him….that this is an epiphany that has come to him too late in life to make much difference…but if he puts his money where his mouth is….and he always has…..then it matters.
Vice is crummy but I was trying to curry favor with the Democrats here. Big Tech gets with Biden what they want. Ka-ching!
I believe he is looking for a change back to where it was before Trump which means no change that could disrupt his operations. He is the epitome of the power behind the throne. Should I trust someone like that? Should I trust the one whom he controls? Yes if his interests confirmed to mine and no if they don’t and if they don’t then comes in the concept of coercion.
Oh no ! Not big tech ! They will kill us all with their solar panels. LOL.
Amazon, Lyft , Uber and Airbnb make solar panels? I thought China made those.
I dont blame Trump, he’s a symptom, not the disease. We all want to blame something but we are free to do the right thing or not.
If people don’t care to have done the right thing the consequences will make them do so, unfortunately.
There will be a massive mental health hit. Suicide rates etc.
Basic health needs in terms of scans etc not done = increased future cancer rates. Awful. Trump could be called an idiot but he’s nothing if people are educated enough to make their own decisions,
You really wouln’t care if your neighbor died of cancer. It dosn’t affect you.
But you would care if he died of ebola. It might affect you.
Cancer scans are a personal choice.
Preventing communicable diseases is a choice that affects the community.
But of course, if medical tests are impossible because the system is overwhelmed by the pandemic…
…then it is clear that the people who refused to do the basics of prevention have made the choice that the the guy dying of cancer doesn’t matter.
I would care if my neighbour died of cancer and scans are often necessities if symptoms suggest a major illness and if they are not available that could impact me too.
You haven’t understood. Blaming any leader changes nothing when individuals needing to taken necessary actions dont give a shit to do so.
Gaining clicks by blaming Triump CHANGES NOTHING. It improves nothing.
Re: “Gaining clicks by blaming Triump…”
Um, the exact opposite. He lost clicks by telling the truth. And, even as the clicks dropped, he continued to tell the truth, and called it the way he sees it. Yes, he could have gained clicks by giving Trump a free pass, but Mish has always call things as he see them, for better or worse. I agree with Mish sometimes, and disagree with Mish sometimes, but I always respect his opinions.
But it CHANGES NOTHING. Sum total of new knowledge is zero.
Governor’s control their own states, MA is #3 worst due to government controlled LTC deaths. Our mortality rates are in line with CDC national, with mask mandates everywhere here. 98.2% have at least one comorbidity, average age of death is just over 80 (2/3’s are IN LTC’s). Cases (“Caseopolis”) increase is in younger cohort with less hospitalizations. I ran a chart for the weekly since September but we can’t post pics here anymore, even with a higher spread rate, the metrics are still nearly the same on outcomes, at least here in MA.
Blaming one man at the Federal level for the decisions of millions in 52 states with their own legislator.
Would have hoped better from Mish. What changed & why?
It’s been headed downhill for quite some time. It’s sad, really, as not too long ago this used to be a gold standard source of actually useful info. Mish has gone through some life changing things since then. This site is one of the consequences. Sadly it has devolved into partisanship, bickering, sensitive egos, pandering, and lazy thinking. A string of tweets and block quotes to justify one’s political position isn’t appealing reading IMO. The comments are not any better. I hope moving to The Street was good for Mish, because it sure hasn’t been good for the quality of articles posted vs the old GEA days. We’ve gone from Mish’s Global Economic Analysis to Mish’s Personal Political Feelings in most cases. Hoping for a reversion to mean but not holding my breath.
Well said.
Freedom has a cost.
Apparently what changed is you cannot think.
Trump downplayed masks – encouraged people to protest them, and Tweeted bullshit for months.
WTF is wrong with you?
You spend far too much time thinking of Trump whilst basically insinuating your fellow countrymen are sheep, unable to think for themselves & slavishly enthralled by the idiot on twitter.
What about publicising proper actions people should take – like taking proper precautions?
What about encouraging people to do the right thing for the right reasons?
Sadly Mush i agree with Jeff Larry. Been following you since the early days and would read all your posts but not any longer for the same reasons Jeff gave. I don’t think it will be long before I’m gone completely
Might want to start preparing yourselves close to 700,000 American died in the last Pandemic roughly 50 million worldwide, Hang in there stay healthy.
Blaming worthless Trump for the (Tr)umpteenth time sounds increasingly silly ….Why didn t clever governors, (some of them democrats) take drastic measures on their own then, putting their faith in the alleged omniscience of virologists only ? …..like in Europe….haha
They would if the federal government would actually bail them out. Under Trump and McConnell, there are no bailouts to the states. The Republican governor of Ohio said they can’t wait until January 20th for a bailout. So again the responsibility goes back to the Trump and McConnell who both proposed states pursue bankruptcy as an option. The states have been put in economic prison by the federal government.
WHY should the Federal government bail anyone out again?
For all of you hoping for a national mask mandate from Biden, you can fugetaboutit. Latest is that it will be downgraded to a nation “mask urging”, which many of us will continue to ignore or cheat on.
Constitutional Law, Politics, Society
November 13, 2020
The National Urging Plan: Biden Appears To Downgrade His Mask Pledge From A “Mandate” To An “Urging”
We have previously discussed the claim of President-elect Joe Biden that he will impose a nationwide mask mandate. While most of what Biden promised as part of his pandemic plan (like free vaccinations) are already part of the federal plan, Biden insistence that he would impose a nationwide mask mandate was a distinction between the candidates during the campaign. The pledge was questioned by some of us in terms of the federal authority to enforce such a mandate. Now, Biden is emphasizing the mandate in his transition and his new Chief of Staff Ron Klain seemed to make a considerable qualification last night in an interview with MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell. Klain is now clarifying that the Biden Administration would fulfill its promise of a national mandate only “where the federal authority extends.” He then added that they would simply “urge” states to follow suit. That again sounds like what is currently being done by the CDC and what is already required in federal buildings, enclaves, installations, and bases. A presidential urging is a considerable downgrade from a federal mandate. Legally, it is like going from a promise of a moon shot to a promise to visit the local planetarium.
Really easy way around this. Any federal grants to states will be based on mandatory mask mandates by the states.
Biden doesn’t have the cojones to do anything like that, even if were legal.
We have a statewide “mask urging” and one county has had an actual mask mandate since July. That county has a death rate 1/3 of the rest of the state, and 1/5 the national average. Even the “mask urging” has led to a lower death rate than the national average, but the mandate has worked even better.
You never give up attempting o connect unconnectable statistics to buttress the point you want to make.
Once again, for the thick minded, all the actions taken previously don’t work. if they did then we would not be where we are today. Believe what you see!
What I see is as clear as can be. Place with mask mandates have moderately slower rates of spread, and dramatically lower death rates. A “mask urging” falls somewhere in between the two.
” He then added that they would simply “urge” states to follow suit. That again sounds like what is currently being done by the CDC . . . .”
Fortunately, there will be the difference between the present President “denier” and the incoming President good example.
I’m still hoping we have a bit of herd immunity built up in the previous hotspots. If we don’t when the hospitals get over-run the death rate will spike. It’s looking bad and we are not even into flu season yet. No worries about regular flus here in LA. Folks here are pretty good about wearing masks so the R0 of regular flu has to be well under 1.
Wouldn’t it be easier if why just all bought the Russian Covid vaccine that actually works?
We are not prepared because we have a toddler president.
Sure Gus !
A small taste of Republican madness…
Special session at MN Legislature a day ago….Republicans out protesting earlier in the week demanding that the entire state be fully re-opened…turns out that a number Republican members and their staff came to the special session having tested positive for the virus and did not tell any of the Democrats or their staff…the Republican Senate Majority Leader afterwards tweets that “he has always said COVID was serious”…but he has always been in the “case of sniffles” type of guy.
These guys will kill you to prove their point…
Watch out if they are handing out free blankets with Smallpox.
Dr. Elizabeth Sawin (Nov 5)….I don’t think people are grasping what it means that yesterday there were 100,000 new cases of something that GROWS EXPONENTIALLY.
COVID provide a real-life example
1st million: 100+ days–April 29
2nd million: 43 days–June 11
3rd million: 27 days–July 8
4th million: 16 days–July 24
5th million: 16 days–August 9
6th million: 22 days–August 31
7th million: 26 days–September 26
8th million: 21 days–October 17
9th million: 14 days–October 31
10th million: 8 days–November 8
11th million: 4 days–November 12
Nothing matters unless you contact trace at a national level. Trump failed at protecting America because he politicized a virus.
The timing of the breakout in the number of COVID cases in and around South Dakota align pretty well with the Sturgis rally.
The bikers should have looted the place. In Illinois if you do that you are granted Sovereign Immunity by the mayor, governor and media.
And? Did you expect the USA to declare martial law in SD and block the bikers from entering the state?
Mish, if Biden asked you to head a new cabinet position called The Committee Of Public Safety, would you accept?
No – I am not qualified
Nor do I think there should be such a position in the first place
so double no
Comité de salut public. 1793 France. Headed by Jacobin Maximilien Robespierre.
We were hearing a lot about the impact of the flu season in addition to covid 19 all summer and into early fall and then all the noise about the flu dropped off like a piano off a cliff. They were pushing how important it was to get a flu shot and….
then it stopped. Looked on the cdc site today for flu info, well here’s part of it that shows how concerned they are at the cdc now:
Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, this system will suspend data collection for the 2020-21 influenza season. Data from previous seasons are available on FluView Interactive.
Sooo. Okee dokey then.
Everything is blamed on CV-19 now.
It would appear that due to the precautions to limit Covid, the flu is going to be a no-show this year. I’m thinking about not getting a flu shot this year because I don’t expect flu to be going around at all.
“Unfortunately, it still takes days to get results from a test in many place.”
I’m in Portland, OR suburbs. It took me 2 days to get a test, 4 days for results. If I hadn’t been willing to drive 31 miles (each way) for the test, I would not have been able to get one at all.
My symptoms were mild but when I lost my sense of smell, I was convinced… ultimately my test was negative.
For 6 days I avoided doing much of anything to make sure I wasn’t a spreader and it turns out that I just had a cold. I can’t afford 6 days of down time for every cold this winter.
Unless cities offer free, same-day take & receive results covid testing throughout the country, there’s no way they’ll get the behavior they need to stop this.
I had a Covid test earlier this year. It was free, and I got the results in about 26 hours. It can be done.
Yeah, seems like the sweet spot for testing was around June — they finally started ramping up on production and not as many people were trying to test.
I don’t think they’re prepared to process the onslaught of tests… remember they’re not just seeing the ramp in actual covid cases now, they’re dealing with all the seasonal colds and flus, people coming in for testing who are negative but have similar symptoms.
In Nebraska, the website posts the average time to get results back by testing agency. As of today it is:
Nebraska Public Health 1.5 days (i.e. 36 hours)
Test Nebraska 1.7 days <===the one I used
Nebraska Medicine 1.9 days
Physicians Laboratory 2.1 days
CHI Health 2.2 days
Lab Corp 2.9 days
Quest Diagnostics 3.6 days
It seems that the big commercial labs are the slowest to get results back.
About 50 years ago there was a Brady Bunch episode about the measles. I think that freak with the beard took it off Youtube.
Yep, national standards and response, a plan for all and especially in an Obama-like tone: “We’re all in this together, folks.”
“we droned some folks not wearing masks”. Break out another Nobel Peace Prize!
MI COVID 19 Testing: 11.12.2020
Diagnostic: 72,578
Negative: 62,682
Positive: 9,896
% Positive Tests: 13.63%
7 Day Moving Average on % Positive Tests: 12.62%
TODAY: 11.13.2020
New Cases: 8,516
New Deaths 118 (83 From Vital Records)
7 Day Moving Average on New Cases: 6,167
7 Day moving Average On New Deaths: 38 (59 With Vital Records Review)
Then Clara Peller rings in, “Where’s the Flu”?
Could have spent the summer planning for the safe return to school, but no.
Could have weighed that balance of opening bars or opening schools, but no.
Could have mandated masks, but no.
Could have deveoped national standards for response and trained response teams for hot spots, but no.
Wasted time, wasted summer, wasted lives.
Who said it was a Democratic hoax?
Who said repeatedly it would just go away?
Thanks, Trump!
Can’t anybody think for themselves these days?
Are you asking me for permission to think?
How so, sir?
Enjoy Utah! PROVO – Utah Valley Hospital says a handful of conspiracy theorists recently tried to get into their intensive care unit.
Hospital administrator Kyle Hansen told the Provo City Council this week that about five people have attempted to get inside because they question whether the ICU is as full as some say.
A few of them also brought video cameras. https://www.ksl.com/article/50047970/conspiracy-theorists-try-to-get-into-utah-valley-hospital-icu
“…about five people have attempted to get inside because they question whether the ICU is as full as some say.”
“A few of them also brought video cameras.”
Odd that the numbers aren’t exact, just approximate. Wonder if this means they don’t know how many have actually attempted this.
My daughter had her appendix out in that hospital. lol.
Maybe relatives trying to find out why a one night stay there costs more than with Carman Electra.
Not just naive, wrong and stupid, really criminally negligent. Damn shame Trump didn’t get “average person” health care. Note I didn’t say ‘get sicker’, etc. just wonder how he’d have done if treated like the rest of us WHOM HE IGNORES.
Now he wants to go see his demented follower rallies – ISEE DOZENS OF SECRET SERVICE ARE NOW IN QUARANTINE &/OR HAVE COVID. WHAT AN UNFORTUNATE SACRIFICE THEY MAKE FOR A MENTAL NARCISIST. Needless and stupid.
Trump should have told his supporters “no more rallies”. Instead loot the shopping areas in the big cities and hand the cops a ‘get out of jail free card’ when you are seen. Works in Chicago for some people.
“Why Weren’t We Prepared?”
Fat Donnie from Queens.
The Left Coast was in hysterics about plastic straws a year ago.
You’re a fear mongering follower, who does not objectively analyze the data, and apparently wants to follow the Great Reset brigade of Schwab, Soros, and Gates off the cliff of freedom – http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240649.
Why are you misleading your sheep? – https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/great-reset/biden-to-lockdown-entire-usa-come-february/
but the party must go on! https://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status/1327340810262765568
It was cancelled….
hows that HIV vaccine coming along?
EU ordered 300mn pfiz vac, just about one for every person in europe, so it must be good (and obligatory?), or else…or else they’ll order another 300 mn to give it a second shot (no pun intended) for those that still remain.
40 years and counting. Let’s check with San Francisco Mayor Feinstein.
HIV is a very difficult virus to develop a vaccine for. Fortunately, Coronavirus is a rather easy one.
Ditto THAT! When I came out of nursing school in 1981 we didn’t wear gloves for anthing but cleaning poop. Five years AFTER we figured out how HIV was transmitted (blood & body fluids), people were STILL starting IV’s, emptying drains, changing dressings, etc. WITHOUT GLOVES. I even had to speak to mgmt about a CRNA NOT wearing gloves intubating patients in Tulsa this year…pipsqueak wasn’t even BORN when HIV came on the scene.
Mask wearing is here to stay…for years. Realistically, not everyone will even have access to a vaccine, and, that is even IF it works. Er, correct that timeline to DECADES…we didn’t have the keyboard KLAN working against spreading the message about gloves in the ’80s.
Reminds me of the quote: “any government big enough to supply everything you need (i.e. subsistence throughout C-19) is powerful enough to take everything you have.”
Tell that to the Swedes.
So You Turned Down the $1200.00 They Sent You???
Who was Thomas Jefferson?, Alex!
Viruses don’t stop at the state border. Without a Federal response it’s just tough. Additionally Trump undercuts the message to follow the rules
The virus stops at the border if virtually nobody is allowed across, and even then under very strict conditions. Check out Western Australia. As for lockdowns, check out Victoria, Australia. From out of control to no new cases in the last fortnight. That’s how to do it.
But that can’t be done in the USA. So next idea?
Ya know, if one drives on Illinois Route 1 a.k.a. Halsted Street, from Boystown/Wrigleyville to Cairo, Illinois it would take about 7 hours. Doing anything ‘by state’ doesn’t compute.
Why not? If governors can lock their states down, why can’t they close their borders? The Supreme Court has given them the power to do so.
the idea is to have uniform rules and allow interstate commerce. its not uncommon for people to work in one state and live in another.
Exactly the case in Australia. If you lived close to the border, and your work was on the other side even by a kilometre, it was no go. Same if you wanted medical treatment or anything else for that matter. Only exception was essential road transport via truck, under very strict conditions. Even if you had (rare) permission to cross a border, you immediately went into supervised quarantine for 14 days at you own expense. This was the case for several months, and is just starting to be eased very slowly, and only after there have been zero transmissions for many weeks. I suppose the question ultimately is, health service issues aside, do you want 80% of an economy for the next 18 months, or 40%?
Different types of government, different economies, much larger population in the USA. In other words, can’t be done here.
Texas is very fragmented with regards to COVID right now. Former hotspots like Dallas and Houston are doing pretty well. Austin and San Antonio are also doing relatively well.
El Paso is on fire with COVID…..just a total freaking disaster. Amarillo has a serious problem. Some fairly small population rural counties in far south and in far west Texas also have large infection rates per capita…..but not that many sick people, because they have such low populations, period.
28 million people in Texas…..it’s a big state, and the state overall, including major metropolitan areas…are mostly not in danger of facilities being overrun.
Give it three weeks.
How are the hospitals in Juarez doing? I heard meds are cheap there, cheaper than the insured rates here. They don’t have the Big Pharma/Healthcare/Insurance cartels there.
San Antonio and Houston numbers are rising, and will be near El Paso by Thanksgiving. I drove thru New Mexico and El Paso last week, east to Houston. All the hunters are coming out of the bush with deer in pickups, where they’ve been holed up in their hunting shacks with buddies (no masks). I was in NM in the Lincoln Forest most of September, where every guy with a tag was from El Paso, and, the small towns that were thrilled to get their business weren’t enforcing the Gov of NM’s mask mandate.