The US is Falling Behind China in 5G Wireless, Guess Why
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2 years ago
Some more information:
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2 years ago
I understand how lack of digital access disadvantages rural communities.
I understand that people with no money have less access to everything.
Could somebody please explain why 5G or lack thereof specifically targets women or marginalized communities?
This is a property of 5G that I find hard to grasp, how it targets women/marginalized people.
I understand that men and women have ways of targeting each other, but I have never witnessed the ability of bandwidth to distinguish men from women. Can it also distinguish the pretty girls?
2 years ago
“but I have never witnessed the ability of bandwidth to distinguish men from women.” –
Perhaps the bandwidth has a degree in gender studies.
2 years ago
This article discusses the issues nicely:
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Why AT&T and Verizon are feuding with the US government over a last-minute delay to 5G
A long-brewing battle between wireless carriers and airlines
Jan 4, 2022, 3:22pm EST
The day after New Year’s, the CEOs of the two biggest wireless carriers in America sent a very angry letter to Pete Buttigieg. The companies had been working for years to launch a new portion of their 5G networks, a launch that had been scheduled for December and then unexpectedly pushed back due to vague air safety concerns. Now, the Department of Transportation was asking for more time, just days before the scheduled launch.
“In addition to the tens of billions of dollars we paid to the U.S. Government for the spectrum and the additional billions of dollars we paid to the satellite companies to enable the December 2021 availability of the spectrum,” the CEOs wrote, “we have paid billions of dollars more to purchase the necessary equipment and lease space on towers. Thousands of our employees have worked non-stop for months to prepare our networks to utilize this spectrum.”
As of yesterday, the spectrum launch is back on — pushed first to January 5th, then two weeks later to January 19th — but it’s been an unusually rocky road for US wireless carriers, bouncing between regulators at the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), and increasingly vocal unions for pilots and flight attendants. At the heart of all of it is a nagging fear that the latest round of 5G spectrum will pose a threat to commercial airlines and their passengers. But it’s such a complicated issue that it’s best to unpack it one piece at a time.
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link to theverge.com
2 years ago
Falling farther and father behind China in 5g. We need more racism and more BS sanctions and more complaints about human rights. Yea, that will show them! Lol
2 years ago
5g…awesome way to microwave your nuts.
2 years ago
Toasted nuts?
2 years ago
“By delivering 5G to marginalized communities, which face a growing digital divide that especially affects women and rural areas, “
Now there is an interesting sentence. 4G radio waves apparently selectively avoid women. And a 5G tower with a range of a quarter mile is somehow going to matter when houses are a mile apart.
4G has only existed at my place for two years. And the low frequency 5G is no faster than 4G due to physics, data rate being directly proportional to frequency and all. In the city or even more so in an apartment building 5G will make a difference. Out on the wheat fields, not so much.
2 years ago
“The laws of physics are the same in the United States and France.”
But Democrats ignore science for politics.
2 years ago
I got a 5G phone about a year ago. Sometimes when I’m out and about, the 5G indicator pops up. I check it out to see if anything is faster. Nope. I don’t notice any difference.
2 years ago
I have a 5G phone (Google Pixel 5a) on T-Mobile. I see 5G also in the notification bar. I haven’t spent any time trying to measure speed at this point.
2 years ago
The US has fallen way behind China in anything. The Chinese added more hospital capacity in the first few months following COVID detection, than the US has done since the 70s/80s. “They” built more freeway miles last week than “we” have done since Eisenhover. More, and more advanced, rail just to serve the Winter Olympics, than we have since the westward expansion. More chip fabs, and labs, yesterday; than we have since back when there were engineers living in Silicon Valley. More net new housing last month, than the US has since 1971.
The US is like Russia now: We still have huge piles of big guns left over from back before applied illiteracy became our national pastime. So we, like the Russians, are limited to running around trying to force others to listen to us, by militarizing everywhere and everything, and stirring up conflicts and pointless animosity. All in an effort to keep the ever dwindling number of Americans still able to do anything useful, sufficiently scared of imaginary hobgoblins to keep toiling away to pay for it all.
2 years ago
Read some story earlier on Monday that the FCC was very upset with interference in their bailiwick by Biden and the the FAA. I’ll look for it tomorrow.
The FAA and the airlines are always looking for ways NOT to have to spend any money on upgrading the systems on their planes because that can get expensive as it requires renewed certifications and check-off’s.
2 years ago
Last month, China installed its one-millionth 5G base station.
Tibet (yes, that Tibet) now has broader, faster 5G coverage than the San Francisco Bay Area.
By the time our coverage matches Tibet’s, China will have moved onto 6G.
2 years ago
“By the time our coverage matches Tibet’s, China will have moved onto 6G.”
And for the exact same reason that “we” once rolled out things faster than the Soviet Union: “We” used to live in a freer country than Russians (and others) did.
2 years ago
We used to live in a manufacturing country. China became that and we moved on to become the latte capital of the world. We are poised to cap that with the most successful service culture ever – serfdom.
2 years ago
It’s not a manufacturing issue. We can buy what we need from abroad if necessary.
It’s a government red tape issue. We are drowning in it here but China is not because they have a ‘benevolent dictatorship’ (lol) that can order anything at any time with no red tape.
2 years ago
In order to buy what we ned from abroad, we first have to have something to offer foreigners in return. Meaning, we have to produce something valuable.
Or, back in the actual real world, we have to at one time have produced something valuable. Which we did. And by now have very little left of.
The reason Chinese business is not drowning in red tape to the same degree “we” are, is because China is a much freer country that the US by now. Not to say they’re in any way free (ask Hong Kongers); they’re communists after all. But compared to us, they are still much freer. Including freer to efficiently allocate their limited capital, which is what maters. Along with having much stronger ownership protection of what they create and build, such that those who create value, are also the ones who then get to decide how that value is later allocated. As opposed to the US, where The Fed, Junta and kangaroo courts, rob every value creator out there, in order to hand the loot to the dumbest of the dumb, who then get to allocate it. With entirely predictable consequences.
If “benevolent dictators”, or whatever the silly slur du jour is, somehow allocated capital more efficiently than supposedly “freer” processes, the Soviets would have won the cold war. Instead, the Chinese are more efficient than us, because individual Chinese are freer to allocate resources optimally than individual Americans. The Chinese have to cut it the local Communists, which no doubt serves as a drag. But compared to having to cut in the armies of ambulance chasers, rent seekers, “investors”, FIRE racketeers etc. that any American attempting to create some value has to, Communist China is a veritable Galt’s Gulch. Hence why the Chinese are able to create valuable stuff. While “we” are stuck burning through the stock of value previous generations built up.
2 years ago
Interesting. Somebody is throwing a wrench in the gears, but the quoted articles don’t say who.
T-Mobile and Sprint? Seems unlikely. And, where are they in this, anyway? What spectrum (“bands”) are they using for their 5G?
Governments of NK or Cuba or the like? Makes some sense, maybe. People who deal in, let’s say, “active defense”, in any number of countries might get their pictures on a wall-of-heroes if they get a little win like this. They’d have to financially enhance some people in the FAA/FCC/USG. But that can’t be hard nowadays.
Airlines? Maybe some kind of last-ditch, hail-Mary effort. But they knew long ago what, if anything, they needed to do.
Keep in mind the radio guys all know who is using what electromagnetic spectrum. And this possible collision is old news to them. Spectrum collisions like this would be hashed out during the buying process. Really, much earlier, in the 5G design phase. Which makes the seller, in this case the US Government, look like a scam artist.
2 years ago
The NSA is likely the reason the government wants to keep control of the 5G networks for the forseeable future. Makes their job of spying on us all that easier if they control the backbone.
2 years ago
The problem of interference only applies in proximity of airports, so it can be dealt with by localized restrictions.
That said, I have no need for it at the moment, but could provide some competition to cable/telco providers.
IMHO, it will be used to create more expensive cellular packages.
2 years ago
Through some private circles, I recently discovered most of 5G technology was stolen from Nortel Networks by a hack that occurred in the 2000s by Huawei. It turns out to not mean much in the grand scheme because technology has to be shared via ITU-T anyway. Also a couple of years ago I posted how most of the critical 5G technologies and patents were mostly in the hands of Ericsson (via Nortel asset acquisition) and Nokia along with Sony. The other piece of this of 5G isn’t some revolutionary technology. Additionally people are less mobile because of Covid so mobile technologies in general don’t matter as much in the covid decade. It is probably more important to have 1G fiber connection to your home. Finally I read an article today how cloud technologies along with high speed wireless (802 11ax) will obviate the need for 5G. I predict the 5G investment won’t pan out for carriers. There are already signs of this.
2 years ago
Nortel went bankrupt at least ten years ago. What was the going technology at the time? Maybe 3G.
Huawei surely copycated some technology, and gave away network infrastructure for free as a strategic investment.
However, it is also undoubtedly a proof that you can have a successful company lead by technologists rather than weighed down by MBAs.
The patent system with its patent trolls is also an dead weight on any tech industry.
2 years ago
Xiden is a genius