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Wireless Networks Fight for Customers and 5G Contracts, What’s Going On?

Big 5G Deals From Wireless Carriers

Please consider the Secret to Apple’s iPhone Sales Boom.

Apple Inc.’s APPL iPhone sales have been booming since it launched models last year with ultrafast 5G cellular capability—thanks in large part to wireless companies’ attractive offers to get customers using the new technology.

Verizon Communications Inc. AT&T Inc. T and T-Mobile US Inc. TMUS have rolled out huge subsidies over the past year to retain customers and reduce the cost of buying new iPhones so users will upgrade to their 5G services. As Apple prepares to show off a new crop of 5G-enabled iPhones Tuesday, a big question is how long that expensive fight among the carriers for customers will continue to propel iPhone sales.

Asked several times this year about the potential for continued growth, Chief Executive Tim Cook has remained optimistic. “We’re in the very early innings of 5G,” he told analysts in July. “If you look at 5G penetration around the world, there’s only a couple of countries that are in the double-digits yet. And so that’s an amazing thing nine months or so into this.”

The latest battle between carriers began to emerge ahead of the iPhone 12’s arrival. Last year, AT&T, which had a lot of legacy iPhone users, started targeting incentives at existing customers to upgrade rather than just trying to lure new ones in from competitors, said Cliff Maldonado, principal analyst for BayStreet Research.

“The carriers are fighting like mad,” Mr. Maldonado said. “I tell my clients it can get a lot more aggressive because every carrier has reasons to grow.”

5G Verizon Where Is It?

5G ATT Where Is It?

Mish’s Trade-In Experience

Last October I traded in a Samsung Galaxy 7 Edge from 2016, and got $500 off a new iPhone 12 Pro.

I was originally offered nothing for my phone, deemed worthless. But if I switched to Verizon I got $500.

Win-Win-Win

  • I got $500 for a phone that was essentially worthless.
  • I got off ATT, a company with arguably the worst customer service of any large corporation in the entire world.
  • Since my wife was already on Verizon, we saved additional money by merging plans.

My ATT Customer Service Experience

In Illinois, a little over a year ago, I had ATT uverse, wireless, and a regular phone line.

It is damn near impossible to get a live person and their automated assistance is about the worst ever.

Then when you do get someone, none of the departments talk to each other. Wireless only did wireless, plain old telephone service (POTS) only did POTS, and uverse only handled uverse. 

Much of the time you had to be switched to someone else and quite often the line dropped.  

If you only had one ATT service, the maddening thing was their totally pathetic automated system. If you had three as we did, good luck.

Waiting for Godot

Meanwhile, waiting for 5G is much like waiting for Godot in most of the country.

But at least I am no longer suffering with multiple ATT packages.

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fkkhan
4 years ago
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Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Be aware that customer service can change overnight. I have been with Sprint for over 20 years. Originally they had the worst customer service I could imagine, but had a national plan that eliminated $400/month in roaming charges, so I put up with it. One day they got a new CEO, and remarkably, changed instantly to fantastic customer service, which, along with inexpensive plans, was why I stuck with them for all those years. Now that they are part of T-Mobile, I have no idea how customer service is, nor how long I will stay a customer. I pay about $78/month for three phones with 6GB/month of data, which is far more than we have ever used. If that changes, or I need new phones, I’ll shop around, I guess.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I left Sprint in 2005. Not because of customer service but because they used CDMA network which has very limited world wide support (ie often their phones don’t work if you leave the USA and if  they did you paid crazy amounts).
Now that they’ve merged with Verizon they are almost done phasing out CDMA and moving to the GSM standard that everyone else uses. At that point I’ll at least consider them an option when looking at phone providers.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“It is damn near impossible to get a live person and their automated assistance is about the worst ever.”
From time to time i have had an issue with DSL, and i would just listen to the automated assistance options and at the appropriate time respond, “live person.” At least once, i had to repeat the phrase to get the voice recognition to understand me, but it didn’t seem unreasonably long before i was being helped by someone human at ATT.
I didn’t have a smart phone until 4 years ago and have no urge to replace it at this time, with the latest shiny object.
QTPie
QTPie
4 years ago

All these phone “subsidies” are a ripoff.

A much better approach is to investigate how much data one actually uses, then get service with an inexpensive MVNO (e.g., Mint Mobile, Red Pocket (especially using their annual eBay plans), US Mobile, Tello, etc.) with service tied to the best carrier in one’s area and matched to a plan from the MVNO with the appropriate amount of GBs (or unlimited) one needs.
You can easily save $25-$50 a month per line this way which over the course of several years is worth more than the subsidies given out by the three big carriers.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
4 years ago
So Lily Tomlin is still correct? “We don’t care, we don’t have to. We’re the phone company.” Was that gag on Rowan and Martin or the Smothers Brothers? 
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
I used to work for the producer, George Schlatter, back in the early 1980’s- it was Rowan and Martin’s Laugh in.
Also, Larry Carroll, who was an announcer on The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, used to come into an audio facility that i was at in the late 1970’s, to record a radio show for the military.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
That was a good joke because at that time the in Mad Men era there was one telephone company , Bell, with a nationwide verticle monopoly over all telepone equipment and services. 
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
I hate AT&T but they have my neighborhood by the kahoneys. They are the only one company to provide fiber. To keep the fiber cheap, we are locked into either a phone contract or a Direct TV contract. We play the retention game. That’s about the only way to get to a live person is tell them you want to cancel services. Then come the discounts. We did get rid of our AT&T cell phones due to connectivity issues and went to T-Mobile but haven’t benefitted by increased coverage by any means. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
My Pixel 3XL is about to be retired given that it reaches Google 3 year EOL for security updates.  Glass is cracked anyway.  Probably will go with a Pixel 5A on Black Friday so I can get me some 5G.  I’ve been on T-M for 8 years I think on the same plan, $30/month w/ 5GB high speed data.
Verizon SUCKS!  Guy lives across the street from me is a tech & world dumbo type.  Retired blue collar butcher with nice retirement benefits.  He goes to the Verizon store to buy a new phone after his years old piece of crap phone finally died.  They sold him a 3 year old Pixel 3, which as mentioned, loses security updates in the next couple of months for original list price of $705!  I told him the phone is available brand new on Amazon/eBay for $150.  I suggested he bring it back and get a Pixel 5A for no more than list price, which is $450.  He won’t do it.  Stubborn as a mule.  Doesn’t want to acknowledge that he got kicked in the balls, spit in his eye and kicked in his teeth by that sales guy.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
I said a few years ago that the wireless service would become a zero sum game which the phone makers want no part of. Phone prices have risen while service providers fight it out for new customer subscriptions. 
TrumpisFired
TrumpisFired
4 years ago
I will wait for another 3 years before upgrading to an Iphone with 5G….I got in March a brand new Iphone 11 ProMax (512gb) very cheap courtesy of Tmobile.  The phone has plenty of storage, a great camera and runs fast.  
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
4 years ago
Living up north – we simply want some bars!  Great that you urban/suburban folks have options. In rural American we simply want cell coverage.  

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