Sedition? Check for yourself. I attach the short the video.
Truth Social Sedition Charge
Truth Social Link: truthsocial.com/@WashingtonExa. It’s called SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. Each one of these traitors to our Country should be ARRESTED AND PUT ON TRIAL. Their words cannot be allowed to stand – We won’t have a Country anymore!!! An example MUST BE SET. President DJT
Link: This is really bad, and Dangerous to our Country. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR FROM TRAITORS!!! LOCK THEM UP??? President DJT
Link: SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!
What Happened?
Senators Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.) and Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.), and Reps. Jason Crow (D-Colo.), Chrissy Houlahan (D-Pa.), Maggie Goodlander (D-N.H.) and Chris Deluzio (D-Pa.) were in a Tuesday video telling ICE members they should ignore illegal commands.
They are all either military veterans or worked in national security-focused roles before taking office.
Trump was responding to the Washington Examiner: Democratic veterans in Congress urge service members to refuse unspecified unlawful order
The Alleged Seditious Video
Please play that.
If the link will not play, here’s a Facebook Alternate.
Video Transcript
“Right now, threats are not just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders. [repeated] You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the constitution. We know this is hard, and it’s a difficult time to be a public servant. But whether you are serving in the army, our navy, or the air force, your vigilance is critical. And you know we have your back. Now, more than ever, the American people need you. We need you to stand up for our laws, our Constitution and who we are as Americans. Don’t give up. Don’t give up. Don’t give up. Don’t give up the ship.”
Sedition?
Please be serious.
“You must refuse illegal orders,” is a fact. None of the six said anything but facts or constitutionally protected free speech.
“Right now, threats are not just coming from abroad, but from right here at home,” is certainly protected free speech.
Legal Synopsis
You may or may not agree with what they are saying, but there is nothing illegal about this commercial.
It is true that military officers are not to follow illegal orders. So, urging people to do what they are obligated by law to do is not illegal.
Note that the speakers never refer to any specific order as being illegal and should not be obeyed. There are broad suggestions that the military might be asked to do something illegal, but they didn’t say that any specific should order be disobeyed.
Had they suggested that a specific order was illegal, I believe they would be protected by the First Amendment. However, that is a hypothetical that is not remotely in play here.
In short, Trump’s opinion as to what constitutes sedition is total BS. And if the group of sycophants that populate his DOJ try to prosecute these folks, they will go down in flames. Again.
Trump Proves No Respect for the Constitution
It’s hilarious how this group yanked Trump’s chain and got him to go off on a nonsensical 12-post tirade that included “reTruths” of people calling for hangings.
“HANG THEM GEORGE WASHINGTON WOULD !!” Trump “reTruthed”.
Once again, Trump proves he has no respect for the law or the Constitution.
The group of six cited clear legal principles and Trump wants to lock them up, punishable by death.
What a pathetic hoot.
But did you catch the irony? Trump used to make statements that would cause mindless Democrat rebuttals. Now Democrats have turned the table.
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Addendum – Stupid Comment of the Day
Reader: “As a practical matter there is no such thing as an illegal order. “
Of course there is. Ever heard of Lt. Calley and the Vietnam war?
During his 1971 court-martial for his role in the My Lai massacre, Lieutenant William Calley’s defense was that he was following orders from his company commander, Captain Ernest Medina, to kill everyone in the village. The military court determined that the orders Calley claimed to have received were manifestly illegal and did not excuse his actions.
The ad is without a doubt truthful except for innocuous protected free speech comments. It’s Trump who does not understand the law.
The amusing thing is Trump’s idiotic reaction. Trump wants to put on trial people who tell the plain indisputable truth: “You can refuse illegal orders. [repeated] You must refuse illegal orders. “
One reader assessed the setup as I did. “Mish, I think you’re right. Trump got royally trolled. Jeez, DC people are entertaining.“
Q: Was the ad effective?
A: I don’t even know.
If the idea was to goad Trump into an idiotic response, they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. But no one know what if any impact in terms of the midterms.
Measuring success depends on the scorecard.
Important Points
Many are rallying around Trump as expected. Some have resorted to whataboutism.
What Biden did or what Harris might have done is not the issue. What Trump is doing here and now is the issue.
Let’s head back to the Comey case. Maybe Comey broke the law and maybe he would have been convicted. But that is what trials are for. Some went so far as to accuse Comey of treason. Please get a grip on reality.
And it is illegal to pick a target then make a case for it. There is little doubt Trump did that multiple times. Two more cases are coming right up. And the DOJ or ranking officials will get hammered.
Of course, there is little doubt Democrats did this to Trump.
But …
Mish 2025-11-21: “There is no justice if you resort to unjust and illegal ways to get it. There is no justice in suppressing freedom of speech. And there is no justice in threatening people for saying the obvious truth.“
Trump is guilty of all of the above, and it’s not even debatable.
Stupid Comment of the Day
“As a practical matter there is no such thing as an illegal order. ”
Of course there is.
Ever heard of Lt. Calley and the Vietnam war?
https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/united-states-united-states-v-william-l-calley-jr
The ad is without a doubt truthful except for innocuous protected free speech.
It’s Trump who does not understand the law.
The amusing thing is Trump’s idiotic reaction.
Case closed.
Mish 2025-11-21: “There is no justice if you resort to unjust and illegal ways to get it. There is no justice in suppressing freedom of speech. And there is no justice in threatening people for saying the obvious truth.“
Trump is guilty of all of the above, and it’s not even debatable.
There is no justice.
There is just us.
Mish, your listening to an organization that lies through its teeth. Then you come to your platform and profess it as some truth.
You just trying for clicks or what?
You been anti Trump since he was elected the first time. Were you happier with Biden who didn’t even know what day it was? Go make some money, cheer up.
“As a practical matter there is no such thing as an illegal order…of course there is”. Well yes, OF COURSE there IS such a thing, but suppose… you have someone receiving an illegal order, like an Army private, or ICE agent, I mean it’s way out of the park illegal, and they say “Nope, can’t do it”. What is going to happen right then and there, you know, as a practical matter? I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think a calm discussion about the merits of their position is what would happen. That would come months later, probably after a period of discomfort of some kind.
What kind of leadership is it called when the commanders rule by instilling fear of consequences on their troops for doing what their duty compels them to do?
in fact I could put it this way-
Low level flunkie receives blatantly illegal order. The following outcomes are possible:
Which is most likely?
It’s often hard to follow the oath you’ve taken. We see it in many organizations like military and police, when others are acting illegally and subordinates are following those unlawful orders it’s hard to do the right thing. It takes a person of REAL courage to stand their ground.
Hugh Thompson, who stopped some of the My Lai massacre, ( I believe using threat of gunfire) from Wikipedia-
In 1970, Thompson testified against those responsible for the Mỹ Lai massacre. Twenty-six officers and enlisted soldiers, including William Calley and Ernest Medina, were charged with criminal offenses; many were either acquitted or pardoned, notably excepting Calley, who was convicted and served a commuted sentence of three-and-a-half years under house arrest. Thompson was condemned and ostracized by many individuals in the United States military and government, as well as the public, for his role in the investigations and trials concerning the Mỹ Lai massacre. As a result of what he experienced, Thompson experienced post-traumatic stress disorder, alcoholism, divorce, and severe nightmare disorder.[1] Despite the adversity he faced, he remained in the Army until November 1, 1983, then continued to make a living as a helicopter pilot in the Southeastern United States.
Thank you, Calley case is the example I’ve been using, a la “let’s ask the Vietnam veterans who were court martialed about refusing illegal orders”
Sadly I see large swathes of online conservatism sharpening their fangs for the public executions of these brave veterans and Democratic lawmakers.
World is mostly gray not black & white. POTUS pretty well spoken. I like that he is not a teleprompter reader and fields reporters questions unscripted unlike to many of our politicians.
Treason is the act of levying war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to its enemies, defined in the U.S. Constitution as a betrayal of allegiance.
Sedition is the crime of inciting rebellion or civil disorder against the government, which can include conspiring to overthrow or oppose it. The key difference is that treason involves actual betrayal or acts of war, while sedition involves incitement or planning for insurrection.
As a retired Naval Captain Senator Mark Kelly can be held to a higher standard by POTUS particularly if he is engaging in lawfare with his political opponents.
A retired service member can be court-martialed, as the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) allows for retirees to be recalled to active duty for trial for certain offenses. This typically requires a decision by the Secretary of the military department and usually involves crimes committed while in active duty or retirement status, particularly when the civilian system is not seen as adequate.
I’m sorry you think he is well spoken.
Quiet piggy
“POTUS pretty well spoken.”
LOL
Hoot of November: “POTUS pretty well spoken”
So is Trump encouraging the military to follow illegal orders?
“Get a forklift and raise that razor wire so those people can crawl under it and enter the country without being processed in any way”. Is that an illegal order?
Would be, by the way, can you source that order and who gave it?
no but ask Miss Grok “did US Border Patrol ever use a forklift to raise razor wire so illegal immigrants could crawl under it and enter the US?” and you’ll get some of the details….and technicalities.
Urging troops to preemptively disobey orders that have not been given forces them to make speculative constitutional judgments. It turns political disagreement into supposed illegality. This is not how civil-military relations function in the United States.
The most relevant statute is 18 U.S.C. § 2387, which criminalizes advising, counseling, or urging any service member to refuse duty or show disloyalty. The penalty is up to ten years in prison.
Their rallying line, “Don’t Give Up the Ship,” turns a legal question into a political slogan.
Trump’s core argument is simple: encouraging military personnel to reject commands on speculative political grounds is not protected speech. It risks violating federal law designed to preserve discipline in the armed forces.
Trump Is Right: Democrats’ Call for Troops to Defy Orders Crosses Into Possible Sedition | The Gateway Pundit | by Antonio Graceffo
This is so simple. I can’t understand the difficulty you’re having.
This isn’t about obeying orders. This is about obeying the law before you obey the orders. This has been addressed many many times in history with the last one, of course being the Vietnam war.
How many of those concentration camp Nazis were simply following orders? And yet, the global community spent 70 years chasing down every one they could find.
This is a fundamental difference between a society based on laws and a society based on personality.
Tom, please stop acting like what Trump is doing warrants Nazi comparisons. It doesn’t & that makes you look like you’re piling on to the hyperbole of these Dems.
I’m not struggling with any interpretation. If Trump was truly giving unlawful orders, there would be military commanders left & right coming forward, but they’re not, not even the woke ones.
Trump has rightfully declared drug cartels terrorist organizations. This gives him wide discretion as to when, where, & how to take them out. Generally speaking, you don’t try to take terrorists into custody. You wipe kill them unless they’re a high value target. Terrorists running drugs in boats aren’t HVTs.
In case you haven’t noticed, the current president of Mexico has all but given up holding the cartels responsible for the death they are exporting to the USA.
This means it’s time for the USA to become more aggressive with fighting the cartels, especially in the international waters.
FYI – one of the best ways to stop people from using cocaine is to force the price to increase which is exactly what these strikes are doing.
Ridiculous. People in a boat in international waters shouldn’t be bombed.
If they are known to be carrying drugs, stop their watercraft, board them seize their cargo, and prosecute them for a trial.
If you’re tracking them via visuals, it’s trivial to interdict them. Yes, if they shoot at you, blow them up. But it isn’t illegal to boat around on the open sea.
How is this even hard? MAGA just keep making themselves look like fools….sigh.
Let’s just keep feeding Ben that rope
“If Trump was truly giving unlawful orders”
Which military commanders have opposed Trump for sending the NG into jurisdictions against the will of the local jurisdiction? That’s illegal
Extrajudicial maritime executions are illegal. Maybe I’m wrong, and they are being given Due Process before their boats are bombed. Do you have any evidence of this?
We could go on, but clearly your intellectual walls are nailed shut
Technically the Germans were obeying orders that were legal under German law at the time.
They were prosecuted under international law
So Trump can create laws that make it legal to incinerate illegal aliens then he can really get his presidency cooking, is that your point? I want to understand what you’re really saying here, please elaborate.
BenW is cute when he is being dense for the sake of pomp and circumstance, come over here big boy
Only in Trumps world: Insurrectionists that attack the Capitol get pardoned and defenders of the constitution threatened with death.
man, you and every person here, especially those congresspeople, – if you agree with it, it’s not illegal.
Well the good news for the Dems is that apparently right-wing nut jobs don’t really know how to carry out a real insurrection. So that’s good news.
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Let’s talk about collateral deaths from drone strikes performed by the US Military:
384 to 807 civilians were killed (murdered) across Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen during Obama’s two terms. A total of 563 strikes!
Were those orders also illegal? Congress did not approve! The US was NOT at war with those countries.
YES! THEY WERE LEGAL!
Now you’re sounding like Ghislaine…
Whatabout. Whatabout. Whatabout.
Don’t you ever get tired of living in the alternate universe?
Precedence can matter
There is general authorization by Congress for hostilities against al queda and “associated forces,” but even if these drone strikes are illegal, how does that justify what Trump is doing by killing fishermen in the Caribbean? I didn’t want the Obama administration (or the Biden administration) to engage in drone strikes, and many innocent civilians were killed. I think overall drone strikes are ineffective and more likely to make us less safe. If we could prosecute both the democratic and republican administrations for the killing of civilians by drone, I’d be very happy.
Fisherman in a surface sub? Or the Fisherman going 50knots?
Sailfish can chase pray up to 68 MPH black marlin up to 82 mph maybe they were trolling for sailfish or marlin. The thing is you don’t know and neither do the navel officers that ordered their sailors to commit murder. No they were happy to chase promotion and get on Trump’s good side, morals or the legality of orders had nothing to do with it. They are murders no doubt about it.
No more than we are at war with Venezuela today. I’m not sure what your point is unless you’re trying to deflect the whole issue with the classically pathetic Whataboutism.
Maybe, just maybe, the issue is about the function of our government believing that they don’t have to declare war when they go to invade a country. But nobody has the balls to actually do anything about this.
The clear answer is actually impeach the commander-in-chief who commits an act of war without authorization from Congress. Doesn’t matter the party any more than pedophiles should be politically protected.
When Trump fired the competent legal teams at the Pentagon and DOD, he was flagging his intent to break the law IMO.
And the Inspector Generals of many departments.
aye aye. very obvious he’s setting up to try and become a real despot. hopefully it fails.
Hopefully trump dies soon, today would be good.
how many despots in world history have had their horses shot out from them, and lived to keep on fucking up the world. some even survive airplane crashes. PLO leader was one of those.
So one should not fire incompetence. Go it.
“What Trump is doing here and now is the issue.” THE ISSUE??; not by a long shot. Anything taken out of context is subject to challenge; including my sentence.
THE issue is the unbelievable punishment meted out to one individual for years. Not one single murderer/thief in the USA has had to endure the vilification brush tarred on Trump.
My brother’s IQ was a few points off of 200. One day at college I asked him why was he paling around w/a bunch of raghead Iranians? Ans: because they were the only remote challenge to his constant, boring wining at poker; and when you took off the rags it turns out they are just as human as the rest of us. Lesson here.
I would appreciate a bit more tolerance from all, a relaxing of the ‘tude.
Plenty of murderers are portrayed more negatively than Trump. None of them, though, garner the attention that Trump does because he’s always in the news.
Also, you go on a lot of irrelevant tangents here. Maybe up your ADHD meds?
Trump brought all of this on himself. He knows exactly what he’s doing and he has spent his entire life pushing the boundaries of the legal system. He uses the courts as a tool to abuse his opponents.
You don’t have to convict somebody. You just have to force them to spend their entire life savings trying to defend from pointless legal issues. He does this because he has the money to throw around.
This is how the rich stay in power. They lawyer you into poverty because they have more money to throw into the fire.
Is this really where you’re coming from, that you needed a lesson to learn this? What was wrong with your upbringing, and why should anyone trust your opinions if this is indicative of the kind of thinking you’ve been subject to in the past?
Just like the Democrats didn’t say any specific order was illegal, Trump didn’t give any specific name of a person who committed Sedition.
Each side used Freedom of Speech technically legally.
So I can declare that the president of the United States should be executed in the street, but since I didn’t actually use the specific person’s name, it’s okay? Am I following that correctly?
And what about the escalation of death threats against the unnamed people?
Noting the possible consequence of breaking a law is an individual threat?
An intelligent response by Trump would be something like: “To what specific illegal orders do you refer?”
I would not wait around for an intelligent response from this administration.
Dear God, and we’ve got 3 more years of Trump to go?!?
Trump has converted our lives to “Dog Years” where every day seems 7-times as long!
Dems won’t be able to make another 3 years
America won’t be able to make another three years.
From January 2027 on things will be quite different.
The difficulty is for the rank and file to know what an illegal order is. I think some National Guardsmen were refusing to be deployed to a state claiming it was an illegal order. But I think they were incorrect.
They need to follow legal orders even if they think its leading up to an illegal order. It can be especially confusing in escalating situations where you’re acting legally at first, but slowly creep towards the edge. When you’re in it, sometimes it gets cloudy where the line is.
Certainly agree!
But the statement the Democrat’s made is undeniably true.
The military actually has a hotline for people to call and ask questions about the legality of certain orders. This entire department has been shut down. There is no easy channel for somebody to seek legal advice on the orders they may be given.
Generally every active duty person in the US has easy access to a military lawyer. It would be simple to ask questions before acting, if you have some time. Getting the correct answer may be a bit of a challenge however.
Democrats created the video to sow division and to divide.
Mission accomplished
Divide Who?
I don’t know if the video was a success.
As I stated in my addendum, if the measure was to goad Trump into a stupid reaction, success was beyond wildest dreams.
If the goal was midterms, I have no idea.
As far as I can tell, whenever a politician speaks, the goal is to win an election. I am sure there are rare exceptions.
Who? Just look at the comments.
Personally I think the November 18thers were targeting the military
Also.. former officers can still be subjected to the ucmj. Correct?
For violations of the UCMJ while serving. Correct.
Even after leaving. Once an officer always an officer
Piggie’s getting desperate.
The supremes tariffs opinion next what are the chances of another unhinged response……
He has no hinge anymore.
I think OP was referring to congress members
Let’s take a step back and review the entire military action framework. The United States Congress last passed an authorization of military force (AUMF) in 2002. How many “interventions” and the like has the U.S. been a part of or leading since then? Why, just this year we bombed Iran and we’re currently destroying “drug boats” in international waters without congressional approval. But while the Democrats in the video are rightly warning about illegal military orders, they come from the party that has done the same types of things the Trump Admin is doing now. The root cause is not politics because illegal military actions are bipartisan.
I’m not sure. I think Trump was the first ever to send soldiers (national guard) against his own citizens. And of course, he is the first (former) president to have started an insurrection.
I agree in sentiment, but technically DJT is not the first president to federalize the national guard:
Cleveland (Pullman Strike)
Wilson (labor conflicts, enforce wartime domestic security)
Hoover (Bonus Army)
FDR (labor uprising and textile strikes)
Kennedy (James Meredith enrollment and desegregation conflicts)
Johnson (urban center riots)
Nixon (civil disturbances, especially Vietnam War protests)
Bush Sr. (LA riots)
Clinton (limited civil disturbances – probably doesn’t count)
Bush Jr. (Katrina response/control and border enforcement)
That’s 12 out of 46 (26%) different presidents. The differentiating factor is that Trump 47’s federalization is not in response to domestic/civil unrest. Instead, they are creating it.
… Or trying to create it. People seem to be pretty onto their game this time.
Kennedys deployment definitely increased tensions
the bonus army massacre was one of the most heinous things. all those officers firing on the vets who were just hungry and squatting. those officers all got promoted to generals for ww2.
Agreed. Not many know that future Generals Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, and Dwight Eisenhower were all involved in putting down the rebellion.
Bringing in enforcement of the law almost always brings an escalation of the violence initially
Hmm. How would you classify the NG being sent against democrats to enforce civil rights laws?
The Civil War qualifies
Central HS, Little Rock AK
University of Mississippi 1962
UA George Wallace
MLK March to Selma AL
1967 Detroit Uprising
Several cities across the US after the assassination of MLK
Kent State 1970
Cuban Refugee Crisis 1980 under Carter
Rodney King riots in LA 1992
That was a “guaranteed to fail insurrection” when no one brought any weapons.
Were you alive during Vietnam war? Remember Kent State “massacre”?
Lots of times.
Historical examples of the military being used against citizens
But this doesn’t excuse trump for his illegal acts. Trump is a republican problem like Nixon was, it’s way past time for them to act.
The Caribbean is right at our doorstep.
Why are people being killed by the US there?
Why are they not being arrested?
Americans are wondering.
The mindset of the person who votes for Donald Trump also fundamentally supports blowing people up. All previous presidents had the Coast Guard interdict the drug shipments, arrest those on board, interrogate them and use that intelligence to further halt drug shipments. But for Trump supporters it is much more fun to know that you are a part of the explosions and the killing. It makes them feel powerful and important. And Trump knows this and is more than happy to kill people for them. This is why evangelicals support Trump in such high percentages.
I agree that people who voted for Trump liked his style (cruelty to others).
Stupidity and cruelty are the watchwords.
Of course there’s nothing wrong with what these democrats did. And of course Trump is wildly outrageous for calling them seditious and deserving of prosecution (and implying execution). The democrats didn’t have the courage to specify the illegal orders, though. Millions of democrats think Trump’s crime is deporting illegal aliens, and these democrat politicians knowingly obscure what the “illegal orders” are. Trump has ordered extrajudicial killings of people in boats in the Caribbean. First degree murder, IMO. Giving them the specious label “narco terrorists” doesn’t confer any right – legally or morally – to kill them. Nor does the fact that past presidents have done similar things. I’d have more respect for these democrat politicians if they filed impeachment charges for ordering murders.
Being in the minority, no impeachment filings will ever see the floor of the House.
The democrats will take control of the house in 2026. (Although will never have enough senators to convict.)
January 2027
I think the video isn’t aimed at particular orders Trump has given (although killing fishermen in the Caribbean surely rises to this level), but rather forward looking to establish the narrative when Trump’s second in charge (Mr Miller) tries to order the NG or military to fire on protestors.
Did all of these politicians get together, write their own script, and have access to professional quality video equipment? Or was there a higher entity coordinating and funding it? If yes, it would be good to know what said entity is. Inquiring minds want to know…
Just say you think it’s the Jews
They all have their own high-quality video equipment. Today, you can even do it on your laptop.
Trump announced that he is the Messiah and everyone must worship him.
Or did I misinterpret something?
will the jews get the romans to crucify him ?
Lol! If not the Romans then probably Brutus.
he’s our nero. it’s quite fascinating to see the crumbling evil empire. most men north of age 35, cannot handle the truth. i eyewitnessed this in russia in 1990s. had a birds’ eye view in upper and lower level when that empire collapsed…………
Personally I tend towards Caligula.
But Nero is fine too, let’s not quibble.
Or perhaps Vlad the Impaler.
NERO was the last and very stupid. more trump like. caligula was more akin to bubba clinton. stephen miller and the other nazis around trump seem like vlad the impaler. the cruelty gets them off. their jollies. twisted sick fucks.
One big difference might be that those mentioned may have had some courage, no matter misdirected. Taco is a stone cold coward. Taco is mentally ill, maybe in a similar fashion to the above.
Trumps says things. He means it. His not so crazy supports say oh its just trump babbling. . Someone out there is unhinged enough to follow through. Trump does not get his hands dirty. While the poor sap takes the blame. .
Its also fueled by the right media
Another day I don’t need to buy the National Inquirer or it’s likes at the checkout stand. Trumpolini’s hot button reactions happen so fast it can’t get to print in time.
You have to hand it to the Dems, they can unhinge him at will. Perhaps they hope that his cheeseburger and coke diet, together with a good dose of induced rage, will work to their ultimate advantage.
it’s not seditious to remind people they can refuse ILLEGAL orders.
And all of the representatives and senators who said something have served, unlike bone spurs.
is CIA considered serving ? how about a waiter at local diner. is that serving.
Better than saying “ow, ow, my bone spurs. Please let me dodge my responsibility”.
probably the smartest thing our PEDOTUS did his whole life. avoid the slaughterhouse in nam. my idiot brother signed up and went voluntarily. he’s still sort of stupid.
At the time a lot of 18 year olds thought it was the right thing to do. Many paid the price, so FUCK YOU coward.
The waiter contributes more to the economy.
The transnational secret police serve themselves and the transnational oligarchs. Their wars have all been offensive and have cost Americans and the world a lot of blood and treasure.
agree.
Why Democrats are warning about Trump giving illegal orders
The big example right now is Trump’s strikes on alleged drug vessels in the Caribbean Sea and the Pacific Ocean – strikes that have killed more than 80 people without a legal process.
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But that’s hardly all. Here are some other key data points:
During the 2016 campaign, Trump floated having the military torture people and kill terrorists’ families. When it was posited that troops would not follow such illegal orders, Trump responded: “If I say do it, they’re gonna do it.” (He later backed off, saying he would not order people to violate international law.)In 2020, Trump told Iran that the United States was prepared to strike Iranian cultural sites, which would likely have been considered a war crime if carried out.In 2018, Trump’s first secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, said publicly after his departure that Trump had repeatedly tried to do illegal things.In 2019, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen resigned after clashing with Trump over his repeated desires to do things she thought might be illegal.Former Trump Defense Secretary Mark Esper has said Trump in 2020 floated having the military shoot racial-justice protesters demonstrating near the White House in the legs.A series of judges this year have indicated the administration has flouted or violated court orders with its deportations or its use of the National Guard on domestic soil.Those National Guard deployments represent an extraordinary use of the military, the legality of which is still being sorted out in courtrooms across the country.Trump has repeatedly flirted with a scenario in which the laws don’t apply to him because he is all-powerful and doing good things for the country.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/20/politics/hang-democrats-trump-seditious-behavior
We kill terrorist all the time “without legal process”. That’s kind of the purpose.
This isn’t rocket science, Phil in CT.
Blocked, dishonest time waster
I think this one might actually be paid.
You sound like a terrorist… no reason…
Sure, El Pedo, if you say so.
I love how you keep not getting the joke.
What joke? The fact that your moniker tries to cast Trump as a pedophile, and every now & again time I reply to one of your asinine posts I ENJOY labeling you with the same moniker?
People importing illegal drugs because Americans just can’t get enough and are willing pay for them is not terrorism, it’s capitalism.
National Guard troops have been deploy many times before to contend with illegal immigration. This is nothing new nor illegal.
Except judges have ruled it illegal.
All sorts of former Trump 1.0 officials made unsubstantiated claims.
Huh, seems like so many past Trump associates say the same or similar important negative things about him and his outrageous conduct. But I guess that’s just ketchup on the wall to true believers………..
It’s interesting how Trump’s 2nd time around he’s not having this problem. Why? He hired the right people. The first go around, he hired a bunch of dolts that had knives out for him.
And there are just as many or more within his administration that lavish him with praise. But I’ll never defend TACO for saying stupid things. Yes, I will be happy like you when he’s gone. His mouth is extremely divisive.
AND THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS THAT THE ELECTORATE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LOOK PAST THIS CHARACTER FLAW, AND THEY’RE LIKELY TO GIVE CONGRESS BACK TO THE DEMS.
THEN, THE REAL FUN WILL START, WHEN THEY IMPEACH HIM & LURCH AMERICA INTO MASSIVE SOCIAL UNREST DUE TO FUTHER ACTIONS LIKE CANCELING THE FILIBUSTER & STACKING SCOTUS.
THEN, IN THE FINAL ACT, THEY’RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE GUN OWNERSHIP ILLEGAL & THAT’S WHEN THE SH!T REALLY HITS THE FAN.
Yeah, I can’t wait for all that to happen. Let’s give the power of all three branches back to the Newsom, ACO, Bernie, Ohmar, & the Mamdani’s of the world, so we can see how that turns out.
There were plenty of other Republicans running in the primary who would have done just fine, without upending our country’s economy via tariffs, shutting down the government, gutting our DOJ, giving $4T of tax breaks to billionaires, etc, etc.
Trump’ not only going to be completely ineffective, he’s going to leave a giant mess to clean up.
And the Dems are going to sweep into power because Trumps going to provoke a huge overreaction from non-MAGA normies.
As a guy who considers himself a conservative, Trump’s a huge disaster.
“But I guess that’s just ketchup on the wall to
truebelieverscult members………..” Fixed it for you.I was commissioned as an ensign in the Navy in 1973 and retired in 2005. My Lai occurred 5 years before my time in service and Abu Ghraib during my time. A military order to arrest 68 elected representatives in a Baghdad assembly, 21 of whom were executed after kangaroo court adjudication as Saddam did in 1979 would represent an illegal military order. Too far fetched in America? Even the threatening of harming, e.g., hanging an elected official (remember VP Mike Pence) is a clear violation of American statutes. It appears this group of non-heel spur veterans and a former CIA agency official have a point in reminding and reemphasizing the military code of loyalty to the American constitution, the observance of its laws and the UCMJ.
WMD and invasion of iraq. not to mention Bush crime family practically waving in the one way flights to the twin towers, on sep 11, 2001. pax dumbfuckistan is just another crumbling evil empire. stuff happens.
But think of the profits made from selling all that depleted uranium to make weapons to use in Iraq! $$$ Major!
the real interesting trade that day was how bin laden boys used the hawala system to get funds to london to short the airline stocks. the hawala system was the original blockchain. ancient system. romans used it to move ownership of gold from one end of their empire to the other. the gold doesn’t move.
Just a very quick search, but I believe all are on either the house or senate armed services committee, and know a whole lot more than the public. These aren’t just some random (D).
A foreboding sign, methinks.
It is not hyperbole to say that Donald Trump is much closer in rhetoric, actions, and ideology to Hungary’s Orban and Turkey’s Erdoğan than any US President since Andrew Jackson. Trump openly admires strongman authoritarian leaders like Orban, Erdogan, Xi, and Putin, and openly denigrates elected Liberal Democracy leaders.
We have a problem in this country, given that the majority of voters elected Donald Trump a second time, knowing full well his impulses and just how anti-American those impulses are. The only thing that stands in the way of a person like Trump following through on such impulses as President is the “Deep State” and the Judicial system, both of which are targets of his administration because of this.
Oh the irony of the Deep State being the only thing that can protect us from rabid MAGAs. They think the Deep State is one of the only things keeping them from their Milton Friedman-esque capitalistic paradise. How ill-informed they are.
ha ha ha. great points. the NSA and CIA will save us from fascist strong men.
Sounds like the start of a great book or movie….
the best books are history books. writers couldn’t come up with the lunacy.
The United States was conceived and has continually refined the vision of a rules- and values-based system, rather than one that moves through time in fits and starts based on the impulses and views of the head of state. Our heads of state are not rulers; they are stewards of the Office of the Presidency and the rules-based system designed to advance incrementally over time.
You gotta be fucking kidding me. Rules-based system? Note that the appeal to the rules-based system ignores actual law and constitutional constraints. It also ignores routinely ignores democratic outcomes. Orban has repeatedly won reelection and is more popular in Hungary than any US president in the last 80 years. In Romania, the winning primary candidate was declared ineligible by a Euro-co-opted court. Democracy schmemocracy. I’m not defending Trump, but aside from his crudeness, he’s the same as his predecessors: might makes right, the US should run the world, we instigate wars and color revolutions and claim a R2P (Samantha Powers’ “responsibility to protect”) as when we destroyed Libya and handed it to ISIS.
I have been to Hungary, specifically the Budapest area, during Orban’s rule. He is very unpopular in the younger, more educated population centers such as Budapest. Today, Orban’s overall national favorability rating is around 43%. His popularity has not driven his staying power, but rather his and the party’s tactics that back him in changing electoral laws, neutering the independence of that country’s judiciary, and the relentless attacks on the independent media. Orban is a scourge within the EU, and mark my words, his days as the leader of that country are numbered.
The EU is the scourge of Europeans. You sound like someone who thinks Germany should ban its most popular party.
What don’t you understand about the post-WWII world order that the grandfathers and great-grandfathers of today’s Americans, British citizens, and those other countries that were invaded and pillaged by the Nazis and Fascists ushered in. A world order created by free Liberal Democracies that vowed “never again.” Never again will a populist rile up discontent and twist nationalism to otherize people by race, ethnicity, or political ideology so that they can be scapegoated. Think about what Trump said to justify his trade wars. He said over and over again that the rest of the world has been taking advantage of America, stealing our working-class jobs, and hollowing out rural communities. Why would a President do that when, on economic measures such as growth, employment, and standard of living, America has consistently outperformed its peers around the world for decades? It is easy; it is the demagogue playbook of tapping into discontent, telling the discontented that you understand their anger, telling them who is to blame, and promising that you and you alone can fix the problem.
if you ain’t stupid, you ain’t MAGA
Neither Orban, Putin, nor Xi deserve your smear.
He could take out 6 cars. Pete would do it.
I think this was the exact rhetoric in pre-Nazi Germany with young Adolf and gang. The difference is everyone here is armed to the teeth so Trump trying to round up people won’t go well. ICE can barely deport people without being mobbed and the mobs haven’t brought out their guns yet.
And then there’s Trump’s declining health and dementia so he’s not anywhere near as capable as a young Adolf.
Whatever these clowns are planning, it will fail like it always does but in case it doesn’t, got exit strategy?
Death is the exit strategy, if we are looking at a FUBAR TEOTWAWKI
LOL at people stacking gold for the apocalypse. Now try moving it, or protecting it from a bigger horde.
i agree with most of what you are saying. but let’s be real. moving a few million of gold is simple. and many people just keep gold in a few world wide locations as a caution. and for their progeny to get.
Moving it where? Between countries is not simple at all. Its very likely to be confiscated at the border if you attempted to move a few million.
How about Campbell’s Soup?
While Trump is certainly an ass and his rhetoric is despicable, you appear to have some real paranoia issues going on. We are not living in pre-Nazi Germany and Trump does not possess any of the central ideological views of Hitler or the Nazi party. You might also want to consult a history book to realize that our current economic conditions are no where near anything that was going on pre-Nazi Germany. We have no clue what hyperinflation really looks like.
The midwits and nitwits in both political parties have claimed similarities to nefarious dictators to disparage their opposition for a long time. If you remember, George W. Bush was also Hitler and Obama was called Dear Leader, in reference to North Korea’s Kim Jong Il.
If we were ever to go down the path towards a dictatorship/authoritarian government, and I don’t believe that is possible given the way our government is constructed, but if that were to happen, most likely it would come from the left not the right. And that’s not because the far right is not willing or capable, it’s that everything in western society has been set up to prevent that. A perfect example of this is over in Europe where you have major parties that self label or identify as Communist and socialist, but none that label themselves as fascist. Ironically all of those forms of government/economies require an authoritarian government to implement.
In my opinion outside of his despicable rhetoric, Trump is an 1980s style progressive pretending to be a conservative. I would be more afraid of having someone in the White House that is an actual ideologue that the media practically worships and is willing to look the other way and not ask tough questions about their policies and actions.
Thank you!!
Fascism is not a governing system like communism. Fascism is a means of taking and holding power. Once in power, fascist leaders implement whatever economic system is needed to maintain popular appeal.
See, we told you it wasn’t a good idea to grab the guns. You never know when you’ll need them – and The People having them makes it tougher for any would-be dictator.
In a normal country, somebody would call an ambulance when people start ranting incoherently like this. He may have had a stroke.
ha ha ha. democracy works. trump and biden…….and schumer and mitch are amerika. nut job geriartric violent assholes. go to a local pickleball court to observe the same.
The “leaders” of Europe ramble incoherently all the time, but they don’t rant. So, it’s different. The key to spewing incoherent nonsense is to do it calmly, using big words, preferably while wearing a dress – which Kaja Kallas does in public and Macron, Merz and Starmer do in private.
Obviously not Sedition, Trump would have been better off just calling out those Senators for their TDS. It’s obvious that most here have not served in the Military, including the author, as all Officers and NonComs are schooled extensively on Unlawful Orders and how the UCMJ (Uniformed Code of Military Justice) handles those situations. There was no need for that video.
This was an obvious attempt by the 6 Senators to seed discord and chaos in the US Military.
How would it have sowed discord and chaos if everyone already had this important training? Wouldn’t folks in the military just say “of course”? And the article states it was directed at members of the ICE. Do they receive the same training?
the target of the video was the White House staff and Trump as the originator of the orders, reminding them of consequences to come
According to the SCOTUS trump is exempt for any law if he acted in an official capacity. Military officers and enlisted are not exempt, other government employees and officials are not exempt. They should all be very careful. Trump will be gone and retribution is just around the corner.
Ever think some discord is exactly what’s needed?
I served. You are correct on officers and NCOs being schooled; what the 6 described is consistent with the UCMJ and the oath to protect and defend the Constitution.
You are wrong in your conclusion that this is an attempt to seed discord. Trump does not understand the rules governing military behaviors. He never served and he doesn’t understand what the American military is and how it is constructed. He views it as an unthinking tool that is there to do his bidding unquestioningly. If, for example, he decides that he wants to strike Venezuela with whatever objective he claims to have, he expects the military to carry out those orders without question, whether those orders are lawful or not. The commander of Southern Command is already resigning with less than a year in his job, which is extremely unusual and quite possibly is a result of his disagreement with the legality of the boat strikes that are ongoing (this is speculative but it fits the facts at hand).
The point is that we live in dangerous times with a President who does not fundamentally understand the checks and balances that guide the military and its use. Six members of Congress who remind the President, the country and the military of those considerations is not ‘seeding discord and chaos in the US Military. Did they do this for political purposes? Quite possibly. But that doesn’t mean that they didn’t have altruistic purposes as well… I think they did.
These Democrats calling on enlisted personnel to discern an illegal order is above the enlisted pay grade. What hypocrites as they ignored immigration law to build a Democrat voter base for perpetual one party rule.These politicians have never worked in the private sector as they yearn for the old democratic administrative swamp they swam in for years.
“These Democrats calling on enlisted personnel to discern an illegal order is above the enlisted pay grade”
You’ve never been in the military. 1972 early basic training E-1 private we were schooled on unlawful orders and instructed to disobey them or face prosecution as “I was following orders” is no defense.
“No” is always an option!!
TY for your Service!
As those court martialed for murdering the surrendering Vietnamese villagers will darn well attest. Is William Jackson even an American?
Post My Lai training. Before that event I don’t remember any such information. Lots of bad things transpired in Vietnam. 1967.
AF Basic in 1967, too. Nuremberg was the focal point, then. You can’t say, “I just followed orders” if the orders are illegal. Of course, judging legality of an order under pressure is not easy. Hey, you could say any order that puts the odds high for you to die is first degree murder, for instance.
Perhaps these drug boats should have been droned. I hear that’s OK. 🙂
Mish, I think you’re right. Trump got royally trolled. He should have said these guys’ talk “looks like Russian disinformation” to all 51 of his cabinet members.
Jeez, DC people are entertaining.
“drug boats”. LOL.Never even heard of a “narco-terrorist” until recently. Maybe there are drugs on the boats and maybe there aren’t. We could just apprehend them. It’s all just setting the stage for another US regime-change military campaign. Whether it’s to satisfy Rubio or distract from the loss in Ukraine or the Epstein-intelligence community nexus doesn’t much matter.
These were capitalists importing a much desired product, abet a bit unlawful. This should be handled by the police and courts.
What would happen if you are ordered to Venezuela?? YOU refuse to go?
YOUR a## would be jailed asap and these politician would say Sorry about that
Long ago we would muster on the tarmac with our gear not having any idea of where we were going. Sometimes corpsmen would be there checking immunizations needed for nasty places. We would board air transport and fly off into the dark. We were very, very much in the dark.
No, they would accept my excuse that i cannot serve due to bone spurs.
It’s true that those who do the ordering commit the greater sin.
Depends, ordered to any country might not be illegal. Killing civilians in their boat in international waters without any evidence they are breaking any laws is illegal. It’s generally called murder and every boat captain and officer that participated or non com or enlisted that followed those unlawful orders should be prosecuted. A courts marshal may find them guilty or not but that is what should happen under the UCMJ.
it’s a scam to be able to throw enlisted men under the bus. and low level officers. see nam. it was a massacre, not a war. only a few idiots were tossed to the wolves at mai lai. didn’t general powell earn his stripes helping with covering that up.
Believe it or not, many of us Americans are still able to discern what’s legal and what’s not, in spite of the trump administration’s best efforts to spread lawlessness.
Best comment thus far. I concur. If you served in the military, thank you, sir.
You really are ignorant about the law they are citing. Try brushing up on your basic civics then come back here with a witted take.
oh, the Democratic swamp?
Trump is literally running the government like a private business. He personally and is family are making billions on policy decisions. He’s entering into $2 billion deals with Saudis and UAE while analyzing whether they should get F-35s. which many have said is dangerous. Guess what? Trump just recommended SA get them. Surprise! He owns a crypto broker while making policy decisions of crypto regulations, and anyone who wants anything is surprise investing with his crypto broker.
Howard Lutnicks’ family is also now in in the action, benefitting from the administration.
He put tariffs on brazil– with which we have a surplus–expressly because he thinks the country is mistreating its former president, a buddy of his.
I mean, there is no even debating it.You can’t conceivably argue against what I am saying other than to say that Dems were doing 1/1000th of what he did.
he’s not denying it, the corruption and conflicts of interests are literally out in the open. Everything I have said is verifiable.
That was the defense of every Nazi tried at Nuremberg. “I was just following orders.”
Certainly, Trump’s reaction is hyperbole as expected and totally wrong. Agreed 100%. And yes, the Dems are honing a strategy of pushing the boundaries to make him look bad as the result of his controversial replies. TACO’s mouth / thumbs are without a doubt his worst enemy.
However, I do have a problem with this particular message. I think it shows that the Dems are willing to use the military as pawns to further their unhinged rhetoric that Trump will do something that’s illegal with the military.
As you say, the military swears an oath to the constitution. What they’ve done here is sowing discord like Miley did when he went behind Trump’s back to assure the Chinese that he would be the arbiter of lawful orders. Its exactly what they did with J6 trying to turn it into something that it was not all the while hiding their puppet strings orchestrating the protest into a riot but not an insurrection as they claimed.
What a farce / hoot! All Trump is doing is re-exerting American influence over the western hemisphere. China is definitely trying to establish broad influence here in our backyard.
In addition, Maduro is a bad actor, and there are 3-4 countries in Latin / South America exporting drugs / death to America. Blowing up drug boats in the Caribbean that are bound for the US is not illegal. It’s controversial but perfectly legal, especially now that Trump has rightly started to declare drug cartels as terrorist organizations. Again, you don’t have to like the policy, but there isn’t a damn thing that’s illegal about it, so the Dems should not be using the military to sow animus within the US political landscape.
Trump is already doing something illegal with the military: bombing fishing boats and murdering people in Venezuela. At least one admiral stepped down because he didn’t want to give his soul to Satan’s Trump. You could argue dropping bombs on anyone without Congress permission is illegal too.
– Hegseth, who announced the retirement, did not give a reason for Holsey’s departure. > No Reason, Just Retiring.
– Holsey said he’ll retire Dec. 12, but didn’t elaborate on the circumstances of his departure. > No Reason, Just Retiring.
Fishing boats..get a clue
Where do you suggest I get a clue? If you have proof these boats were carrying drugs or the people on them were drug mules, why don’t you post links to your evidence?
Oddly, the people that survive these bombings and fished out of the sea are often let go, why if they are dangerous drug traffickers?
The military is not covering up zero intel, dude.
So we don’t have to put them in jail, and the bombings are happening in international waters.
These people are drug cartels & terrorist. We’ve been dropping bombs on terrorist without Congressional approval for 50 years. Just because you think it’s illegal, doesn’t make it illegal.
As litigious as the Dems are, do you honestly think that SOMEBODY wouldn’t have sued already to stop this if they honesty thought there was a legal argument to be upheld in court?
This is just like the Epstein files. Liberals / Dems are running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to act like Trump is doing illegal things. He’s NOT. He certainly is saying a lot of stupid things that will certainly hurt the GOP in the midterms. We can agree on that, I’m sure.
“These people are drug cartels & terrorist.”
That is what Donald Trump said. However, politicians occasionally lie, yes even Donald Trump. Do you believe China or Russia has the right to blow up private American boats in international waters if it says the boats contained terrorists?
Quatloo,
Are you new around here? I haven’t seen a post from you yet.
Trump is the President of the USA. He was elected by 77.3M Americans. At his disposal, he has a vast array of State Dept, Military, & National Security Advisors / Assets. He has more lawyers working for him than all the people you’ve met in your lifetime. Blowing up DRUG BOATS in the Caribbean is not illegal. I’ve underlined & bolded the important part for you.
I’m not going to address your Strawman’s fallacy question. I’ll let you go look that up on the Internet to figure out what that means.
Why do you believe they are drug boats?
What if Trump had just said the boats were carrying weapons of mass destruction? No one would lie about something like that, right?
If the boat has 4 250 hp outboards and a bottom full of drugs there is no question they are NARCO TERRORIST and deserve death asap
This is further confirmed by intel on the beach where these boats launch
There are idiots like Quatloo, whatever that means, that think Hegseth & Trump can stop whistleblowers from leaking to the MSM that there’s really ZERO intelligence these boats are carrying drugs.
That’s how blinded by TDS hate they’ve been blinded, whereby the truly live in an alternate reality.
They are not spreading terror, they are importing a produce millions of Americans want and buy. Remove the market and solve the issue.
they’re not terrorists under the definition of that word.
it’s remarkable how Trump just repeats something and then people like you just accept it, as if words don’t have a meaning before Trump speaks them.
Please explain how drug runners are terrorists? Terrorists are non-state actors that kill civilians to advance political or broader ideological ends.
Drug dealers are not that. they’re horrible people, but the fact is they do not meet the definition of terrorists. they’re not ideological.
They don’t directly kill civilians either– to die from drugs you need to want to take drugs, and to pay for the privilege.
We’ve tried for decades to eradicate drug by controlling the supply and it doesn’t work. Anyine who thinks otherwise is delusional.
Think of it this way: you know where drugs have the greatest concentration? in prisons. think about that and explain how if we can’t keep drugs out of prisons you think we can keep them out of a country the size of the US with 12,000 miles of borders?
Drug cartels are a national security threat to the USA.
Enough said.
Since you claim to go to “church” often, perhaps you should pay attention to what is being taught there.
Let me help you out:
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” …
“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.” …
“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.” …
“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.” …
“Honour thy father and thy mother.” …
“Thou shalt not kill.” …
“Thou shalt not commit adultery.” …
“Thou shalt not steal.”
“Thou shalt not bear false witness”
“Thou shalt not covet”
I think there’s good evidence Trump has broken all the bold ones but probably all of them. This is the man you are supporting, check with your church group if you’re doing the right thing. If they say yes, consider getting a new church.
I have said many times that Trump isn’t a virtuous person. I’m not defending him. I’m defending his policies.
The point here – which is obvious to the most ignorant of individuals, is that MPO45v2 was talking about policies. (e,g, Killing others is a POLICY)
Okay fine, even as a Christian, I don’t view a policy of sending drug runners to their grave as being against my religion. Christians are allowed to believe that our constitution gives the president the right to declare drug cartels terrorist organizations and to use lethal force to stop drugs from entering the USA.
You might think that we’re supposed to be sheep, but we’re not. And most importantly Jesus doesn’t expect us to live our lives as such.
“Blowing up drug boats in the Caribbean that are bound for the US is not illegal.”
Bullshit it’s murder.
I’m all for killing drug runners and a whole other host of criminals like pedo’s, murderers etc (in other words I’m fine with the death penalty).
You want to get rid of something you need to make the consequences of doing it VERY HIGH.
The cost of cocaine is up 40%. It’s getting harder & more expensive for VZ to find drug boat runners.
Capitalism at work! Gotta love it. s
If that were the case, there would be no pedos, murderers, drug runners, etc… But its not, is it? So its just killing for the sake of killing. But most people like that too.
Everybody has their kink…
Be careful what you ‘vote’ for.
Suppose the next Democratic President labels all J6 violent offenders as ‘domestic terrorists’ and sends them to Guantanamo to be waterboarded and then summarily executed
If one believes in the principle of Rule of Law, we stop the boat and have a trial, presenting the evidence that (1) they had dangerous drugs; and (2) they were going to the US to distribute them.
Otherwise one would have to believe that any country has the right to blow up US boats in international waters if they claim they were headed to their country with drugs, right?
The difference is that “murder” in the Bible is the unlawful and unjustified killing of a person, while “killing” is a broader term that includes justifiable acts like self-defense, war, and capital punishment.
Neither ancient Hebrew nor ancient Greek had different individual words for the verbs to kill and to murder. Any attempt to find a difference is purely where someone puts their own prejudices into the Bible. I’m not saying that there aren’t places where killing or murdering is okay. Only that we can’t know where those are, we can only fill them with where we individually want them to be. Jesus said to do unto others… and …turn the other cheek… which would seem to preclude all killing, even in self defense.
Who would take anything in the bible seriously?
What part of illegal extrajudicial maritime executions are you okay with?
Humphrey Bogart in Key Largo.
Drug cartels are terrorist, IMHO. I’m fine with all extrajudicial executions of any known terrorist anywhere in the world. Notice I got rid of the illegal part.
That’s exactly what we did in Islamabad Pakistan on 5/2/2011 at the direction of President Obama. They had kill, no trial orders for OBL. 3 shots in the face within 48 hours, they dumped his body in an undisclosed location of the Indian Ocean, ending that 10-year long saga.
If the Dems thought that could win a court case, they would be suing the Trump / DOJ / DoW from here to eternity, but that’s the thing. They know they can’t win, because US law gives the president the ability to do this sort of thing based on national security concerns.
In addition, drugs have killed millions of Americans over the last 60 years, so there’s enormous justification for this. In fact, it’s long overdue.
Because many Americans use illegal drugs and often kill themselves we should murder working capitalists just trying to make a decent living? Sure it’s unlawful but killing them without actual evidence, without apprehension or trial?
Aren’t Democrats really terrorists too? And shouldn’t the President have the authority to decide who terrorists are and how to kill them? George Washington obviously thought so!
Antifa Dems are terrorists, yes, but I’m not advocating for dropping bombs on them just quite yet. They need to be put in jail for a long time, when they commit acts of violence. Fortunately for now, they haven’t brought out their guns that are sitting in the trunks of their cars.
Antifa! Is the antifa in the room with us now? Is it lurking in the cupboard, behind the potatoes? Tell me! I’m afraid!
Be careful what you ‘vote’ for.
Suppose the next Democratic President labels all J6 violent offenders as ‘domestic terrorists’ and sends them to Guantanamo to be waterboarded and then summarily executed
Excellent Idea!
“the Dems are willing to use the military as pawns”
you think it’s the Dems using the military as pawns?? Trump is changing the name to Department f War has sent military to US cities for purely political reasons, is using hte military to blow up boats near venezuela.
Dems are simply exercising free speech, remindning soldiers accurately that when — when not if– he orders them into cities at election time, or orders them to fire at US citizens, or orders a nuclear stroke on some country that offended him, that they can refuse.
Miley was not exercising free speech, when he told the Chinese that he could control Trump.
IMHO, they are pitting the military against the president for political purposes which is attempting use them for political purpose.
Things are crazy in DC these days for a lot of reasons, but we haven’t gotten to the point where we have to worry about the military carrying out an illegal order.
That’s just TDS hysteria.
We have a deeply narcissistic, demented, hateful idiot in charge of the military. An illegal order could come at any time.
I agree with the narcissistic part.
How would Trump know those are “drug boats bound for the US”? What’s happening looks more like indiscriminate killing. And in any case, as every economist knows, as long as American consumer demand drugs, there will be a supply of drugs.
Military, CIA & NSA intelligence?
Like those who justified a war by lying to the world that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? The military industrial complex profits off wars, it is in their interest to start wars, so that they can sell more weapons. It is foolish in the extreme not to be skeptical of their “intelligence”.
Or maybe Trump just made the whole ‘drug boats headed to the US’ thing up by himself?!
Trump worshippers love this kind of stuff, and always believe everything he says (at least on a “big picture” level).
Trump (and Hegseth) have been trying to persuade the military to be ready to do their bidding, with their meeting calling in all the top brass for a “Trump Rally” speech, hoping that they can get enough of the military on their side, when they need them to subvert the next elections or react after the elections don’t go their way. But, from the reaction at that event, I think they were not successful.
On another subject, one thing I have been thinking about Trump is how he reacts to problems. He always spouts that he had the “greatest economy ever” before the pandemic, which is bullshit, and based on no particular metrics, yet his supporters and even other people who voted for him, somehow believe because the inflation that happened afterwards made his time in office pre-pandemic seem pretty good.
But, look at how he handle the crisis (pandemic). He tried to hide it (keep the people on the cruise ships, we don’t want the numbers to go up!). He suggested outlandish solutions (cleansing the body just like wiping down a counter with cleaning product).
The fact is during his first term, he had 1 crisis, and he totally folded and blew it.
I have no faith in him or those around him to properly handle the next crisis (be it a crypto crash that might expose a bunch of financial shenanigans or a real stock market bear market (30 percent or more for a sustained time period), or some other kind of event like a terrorist or cyber attack). If those crises do come to pass, and all he does is lash out, blame Biden, and call his detractors treasonous, he will crash out and burn and that will be his legacy
Calling all the Generals like errant school children to a stupid meeting, calling them fat and telling them they look like shit with their beards really won them over, I’m sure of this. They now worship their always temporary Commander in Chief.
I agree that it was a stupid move. But, think that Trump actually thought he was going to win them over with his typical “Trump Rally” speech. In his own mind, Trump really does think he’s some kind of badass, and doesn’t understand that real badasses think he’s a pussy.
Just look at his military Academy photos. They scream pussy with a capital p.
I agree with you but wonder where these congress people were when the borders were let open by Biden.
Maybe they should be giving this statement to all Americans and illegals!
What illegal orders did Biden issue to members of ICE? Who followed them? Why isn’t Trump prosecuting them?
the borders south and north have been wide open for centuries. walk, ride, float, or fly……..
half the chinese in amerikan chinatowns come via vancouver and across the very porous borders. this is obvious for anyone who pays attention to their surroundings. mexican border has been wide open for 400 years. ain’t gonna change.
As a practical matter there is no such thing as an illegal order. Both Democrats and Republicans have spent the last 25 years ensuring that. These Democrats are cynically tempting military members to shred their careees and lose their freedom for no actual benefit, at no risk to the Democrats themselves. This ad is pure evil. If the Democrats want to restore the Nuremburg defense they need to pass legislation and probably a consititutional amendment. But they’re cowards who don’t actually want to reduce the power of the unitary executive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada
https://couragetoresist.org/judge-rules-illegal-war-debate-forbidden-during-court-martial/
https://couragetoresist.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/ew-watada_ruling_lawfulness_of_order.pdf
Stupid Comment of the Day
“As a practical matter there is no such thing as an illegal order. ”
Of course there is.
Ever heard of Lt. Calley and the Vietnam war?
https://casebook.icrc.org/case-study/united-states-united-states-v-william-l-calley-jr
The ad is without a doubt truthful except for innocuous protected free speech.
It’s Trump who does not understand the law.
The amusing thing is Trump’s idiotic reaction.
Case closed.
Sadly, times have changed since then, Mish.
Was Trump’s order to kill an American citizen child a lawful order?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/yemen-strike-eight-year-old-american-girl-killed-al-awlaki
Was Obama’s order to kill another American citizen child a lawful order?
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/
We still have one with Obama trauma!
were. not where. typo.
The real issue is why they did this in the first place. Trump should not have risen to the bait but they they did this is plain stupid. Grandstanding.
‘Why they did this in the first place’. It may be because these 6 people have been tipped off about Orders from the current US President which can be construed as illegal and they want to remind every one about the oath that all members of the US Armed forces took.
I used to be bullish about the United States generally but unfortunately I am having to downgrade my bullishness every day.
The collective American IQ and level of intellectual curiosity is dropping like a piano from a Brooklyn rooftop. That’s a darn good reason to downgrade your bullishness. Just look at the lack of basic civics knowledge just in this thread, then realize this is elevated many levels above average American discourse.
They’re using the military as political pawns just like Miley did prior to J6.
Courts are ruling Trump is using the national guard illegally over and over, but sure, it’s the Democrats fault.. . Give it a rest
Somehow you have Mish fooled into believing you argue in good faith, not I’m not fooled.
How is reminding military service members of their obligation to refuse illegal orders even remotely comparable? Read up on the court martial of the soldiers in Vietnam, they were found guilty of murder for acting on orders to kill the villagers who had surrendered.
Are you going to sit here and tell us that case was wrongly decided? I invite you to make that mistake.
us involvement in indochina wasn’t a war. it was a massacre of innocent rice farmers and their families. amerikans are idiots. get involved in a civil war.
Yes, and –
The place was labeled FRENCH Indochina on the classroom globes 60 years ago.
Ho was not going to be a French ‘ho.
My thought was that they did this because they expect Trump to order the military to do something illegal in the future, like actually take over a blue city, or get involved in the midterms, or try to help him hold on to power if he loses, gets impeached or gets “25th amendmented”.
Sure, it’s a bit about blowing up random fishing boats and calling it “national security”, but, I think it’s more pre-emptive.
He already has the NG illegally in many US jurisdictions. You can argue the point, but it would only be an admission you aren’t familiar with those laws.
At the contrary, this is very necessary. Trump is proven to to disrespect the law and ignore it often. He is also an insurrectionist since he started the January 6 riots aimed at preventing the election certification. And he has already illegally sent the National Guard to cities in the USA. If that’s the commander in chief, the country’s fortune will depend on people like Brad Raffensperger that are willing to not follow illegal orders. And fewer people like Lindsey Halligan and Hegseth, who will do whatever to please the big boss. The more support people in those roles get, the more likely we all are that they will actually resist illegal orders.
Sadly over the past 40+ yrs., senior military leaders have been unwilling to publicly resign their positions in protest over the various illegal orders and lies that our politicians from both parties have foisted on them. From Bush Jrs lies of WMD to open Operation Cobra II in Iraq, to the recent illegal bombing of Iranian sites in violation of international law, we who used to be “the good guys” and support and uphold intl. law, flaunt and ignore it; making us increasingly a pariah nation to the world. Good on the SOUTHCOM boss for resigning over the illegal orders he received.
“the good guys” ?????? what is this a playground game for children. pax dumbfuckistan has been waging international warfare since at least 1898. the people vote for it, too. democracy works.
Maybe not grandstanding. Extra-judicial killings in a foreign country’s waters could be construed as an act of war without a congressional authorization. It’s of pretty questionable legality. It’s possible as members of congress they are privy to other worrisome things.
It would seem an odd thing to do absent a cause.
Simpler to assume they see something you’re not. Otherwise you’re having to explain why six people all decided together to do something that most folks probably would find a little strange.
Bombing boats without giving their occupants Due Process is always illegal. Do you know what Due Process is?
Yes, I do. That’s my point (and if you read closer, that’s implied in the words “extra-judicial” – that means outside of a legal process which is why I used it). One might try to make a national security argument, which appears to be the administration’s intent. I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t want to be definitive on that and pretend I know more than I do. Maybe there’s a modest amount of wiggle room on that one. I personally don’t think so, but again I’m not a lawyer. I think you could also roll into that threats to violate the Posse Comitatus Act into that as well.
Interesting interview this morning with Jason Crow. He notes that the time to kick off these conversations is before you get to a crisis/decision point. If soldiers are faced with this in real time, it’s too late to have the discussion.
Have you been sleeping under a rock for the last nine years? Trump’s own Secretary of Defense had to tell the President of the United States that the military cannot be ordered to shoot unarmed protestors. Trump sat on his hands in the White House, watching Fox News coverage of the January 6th riots, violence against the Capitol Police, vandalism, and outright threats against his own VP and members of Congress. He is now abusing his power to call up the National Guard and putting those part-time soldiers on American city streets simply for optics to demonstrate his power and jazz up his base. He has amassed a large naval force in the Caribbean and has ordered the military to use missiles to destroy non-military targets that are suspected of being drug cartel boats. Have they tried to stop, capture, and seize these suspected drug runners and the drugs that are supposedly being transported? That is what would occur in a law enforcement action, and drug smuggling is a law enforcement matter. If they tried to stop these boats and were met with force, then and only then should they be sinking boats and killing people.