Trump Declares a 12 Out of 10 Meeting with China’s Xi. Total Nonsense

Trump’s amazing 12 out of 10 gets things back to where they were in March.

Immediate Cuts to Tariffs

The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Meets With Xi, Declares Immediate Cut to Tariffs

Quick Summary

  • The U.S. is lowering tariffs on Chinese goods to 10% from 20% in exchange for China’s cooperation on fentanyl precursor chemicals.
  • The U.S. and China discussed a framework to reduce trade tensions, including China’s commitment to purchase U.S. farm products.
  • Trump said he thought that the two countries would be able to sign a trade deal “pretty soon.”

President Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping emerged from their first face-to-face meeting in six years with a temporary truce in the bruising trade fight between the two superpowers.

Their agreement lowers immediate tensions between the U.S. and China, which have been locked for months in a bitter struggle over trade and technology that has hurt both their economies.

The agreement includes a reduction in stiff U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods in exchange for a pledge by China to crack down on the trade in the chemicals used to produce fentanyl.

China also promised to ease the exports of rare earths—minerals that Western manufacturers rely on to make a range of goods. And Beijing promised to buy “tremendous amounts” of American soybeans, said Trump.

While the detente provides relief to both sides, it does little to address the fundamental divergence between two superpowers whose economies are decoupling in many sectors and who are racing for supremacy in areas such as artificial intelligence.  

In comments to reporters on his way back to the U.S. from South Korea, Trump was effusive about the meeting.

“Overall, I guess on the scale of from zero to 10, with 10 being the best, I would say the meeting was a 12,” he said.

The actual numbers the two agreed on were more modest. 

The U.S. also agreed to put on hold for one year a September move to apply export restrictions to certain subsidiaries of already blacklisted entities, the Chinese Commerce Ministry said. And both sides placed a one-year pause on reciprocal port fees on each other’s vessels, which comes on the heels of South Korea agreeing to invest $150 billion in American shipbuilding.

Speaking on Air Force One, Trump said he thinks the U.S. and China will be able to sign a trade deal “pretty soon,” and that they didn’t have too many stumbling blocks left.

Some trade analysts were skeptical. Describing Thursday’s agreements as marginal, William Bratton, an analyst at BNP Paribas Securities, wrote that they don’t “represent a ‘grand bargain’ or a large-scale reset of the relationship.”

Xi appeared to come out of the meeting with a strong hand, analysts said, particularly on rare earths.  

China began implementing strict export controls on rare earths in April. In October, Beijing angered the Trump administration by further enhancing restrictions on the export of the minerals, including increasing the number of controlled rare-earth elements.

While the newer rare-earth export rules are likely to be delayed, many industry watchers noted that China appears set to maintain the export-control procedures it introduced in the spring.

That would preserve Beijing’s ability to punish the U.S. economy by denying export licenses to a swath of American companies that rely on rare earths. 

On fentanyl, much will depend on the actions China takes next. The U.S. has pressed China for years to do more to control the export of chemicals used to make the drug, a synthetic opioid blamed for hundreds of thousands of overdose deaths in the U.S.

More-stringent regulation of the chemicals likely won’t be enough to solve the crisis because Chinese producers are adept at slightly altering the chemistry of precursors to get around the rules.

Trump and Xi last met in person in 2019, when they held an 80-minute lunch on the sidelines of a Group of 20 meeting in Osaka, Japan, and agreed to a cease-fire in trade hostilities. 

A “Phase One” trade deal signed in early 2020 addressed neither of those points, instead obligating China to buy more soybeans from American farmers—something Beijing largely failed to fulfill. A Phase Two never materialized.

Precisely as Expected

On October 28, I made what I consider to be the easiest call of the month: Trump’s Big China Deal Looks More Like an Uneasy Truce

Both sides will announce a win. But no key issues will be resolved.

Now What?

Hooray, China will buy more soybeans, loosen export restrictions on rare earths, and pledge to do more about fentanyl.

In return, Trump will not do 100 Percent tariffs and will roll back some of the so-called fentanyl tariffs.

Since April, there have been about seven major tit-for-tat Trump escalations with China, soon followed by Trump Tacos when China retaliated.

If the above outline holds, congratulations! Things will be back to where they roughly were in March.

Q: Since both Trump and Xi are liars, what do we really have?
A: The answer is an uneasy truce.

There may be other agreements but will Xi honor them? Trump?

No key items will be addressed but China will buy more soybeans, at least for a while, so Trump will brag. He will fail to recall that it was his actions that caused China to stop buying soybeans.

This is a win-win from where we were a week ago, but a big pile of nothing compared to where we were earlier this year.

This is indeed a win-win. I am always happy to see tariffs reduced.

But what did Trump really get out of all of this besides nothing?

Every time Trump escalated tariffs, China retaliated with force. Now we are back to roughly where things were in March (except US farmers lost about 6 months of Soybean exports).

12 out of 10? Please be serious.

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Lawrence Bird
Lawrence Bird
4 months ago

I thought the actual rate was higher but even if it is only 10% on most items (never mind elimination of deminimis) that is still a tax on consumers and business.

And none of these Trump deals have been approved by legislators.

K.V.Sadasivan
K.V.Sadasivan
4 months ago

The facial expressions and body language of the two spoke volumes.Tump was trounced by Xi.

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
4 months ago

Taco has a real problem with the truth. I read a fact checker’s report earlier today on LinkedIn that showed how seldom what he says is simply not true. I guess only the MAGA group believe him.

ScottCraigLeBoo
ScottCraigLeBoo
4 months ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

I think what surprises the public so much is how easy it has been to predict what this proto-dictator is gonna do, and what the end result of it is. I actually feel smart now when I make a prediction about a Trump situation and Im basically right. He is a simple man who has believed he was a loser all his life, and only the bowing and drooling of every one of the 331 million US citizens/subjects will make him feel whole. Make him feel as great as everyone says he was.

Pokercat
Pokercat
4 months ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

“I guess only the MAGA group cult believe him.” Fixed it for you.

Green Mountain
Green Mountain
4 months ago

How many tons of soybeans did China agree to. I read that the amount they are buying is less than they buying under Biden so good for farmers, but not great. That is my interpretation.

ScottCraigLeBoo
ScottCraigLeBoo
4 months ago
Reply to  Green Mountain

Much more fun to buy from Argentina and watch Trumps face contort.

Webej
Webej
4 months ago

Could somebody give me 3 examples of fentanyl pre-cursor chemicals that have no other credible use and could be reliably intercepted?

ScottCraigLeBoo
ScottCraigLeBoo
4 months ago
Reply to  Webej

Youd also have to believe that the Chinese National Central World Central Chemical Central Repository #205 truly doesnt have a little side action going on selling or transferring precursors. … in a law and order society like China? Say it aint so!

Avery2
Avery2
4 months ago

He’s no Bo Derek. He’s not even Dudley Moore.

AussiePete
AussiePete
4 months ago
Reply to  Avery2

You’re dating yourself with that reference…😊

Harry
Harry
4 months ago

Incoming downvotes. Must be a touchy topic.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago

Below is a comment from a participant in the Rare Earth industry:

While this is being marketed by the U.S. administration as a victory, statements from the Chinese administration are deliberately noncommittal.Commentary from experts in the space don’t see this as a resolution, but rather another round of China fostering western complacency with the perception that the problem is solved while they continue to entrench their rare earth dominance.China does not seem to be suspending April 4th restrictions. These will remain in place and continue to be catastrophic for industry.China will only suspend whatever they deem “relevant” from October 9th restrictions. The interpretation here is everything. China has bought itself time, and if we believe that REEs will start flowing, we will find ourselves even further behind when we wake up.
Emphasis is not mine

Last edited 4 months ago by Flingel Bunt
njbr
njbr
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

people who think strategically would realize these nebulous “agreements” are simply a tactic to delay you from making the committments that are needed to truly resolve the issue (developing our own resources)

Last edited 4 months ago by njbr
Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago
Reply to  njbr

My experience with the Chinese in contract negotiation supports your observation. Even the final ‘contract’ is negotiable, but you won’t know that until it comes to execution. Meanwhile you’ve been strung along believing you have a deal.

ScottCraigLeBoo
ScottCraigLeBoo
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

Oh good grief, they lie, cheat and steal cause theyve always lied, cheated and stole. How else does a dictatorship masking itself as a communist utopia survive?

Pokercat
Pokercat
4 months ago

reply to Flingel Bunt

By improving the lives of their people a thousand fold over the last fifty years.

Last edited 4 months ago by Pokercat
Frosty
Frosty
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

Trumps tactic is to sell success to his hand picked press while creating no agreements of substance. He really only wants to go to the events and be the center of attention. Then he leaves and only the broken glass remains.

Webej
Webej
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

China will maintain its licensing scheme, but could be somewhat more lenient about granting licenses.

Their rationale is unimpeachable: No abetting military and dual-use equipment.
Not helping others to produce weapons is laudable and not uncommon.

Since America keeps stating that they will use the weapons against China, it’s kind of a no-brainer, no? Many countries issue export licenses on condition that they retain the right to permit or forbid their use. In fact, much of the American gear sold around the world can be disabled by the US one way or another. How would it be if the Chinese retained the right to authorize any weapons containing Chinese rare earth metals

Last edited 4 months ago by Webej
ScottCraigLeBoo
ScottCraigLeBoo
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

Hello Australia! G’Day Mate!!

njbr
njbr
4 months ago

“command economy” on both sides of the Pacific now

Trump made the “12 out of 10” agreement to negotiate quantities of agricultural purchases with China every year

Seems like he placed a big leash on the US neck, removing ag sales from simple commercial transactions to a political negotiation subject to every potential issue.

It’s also a pretty weak hegotiation stance when the world is ready to replace US production.

And, when do these agreements happen–before planting hopefully

Government price negotiations next?

peelo
peelo
4 months ago

Here we are in the land of Stockholm Syndrome. Somebody desperately needs the whole world as a continuous audience. Time will tell, but lots of headlines, without real numbers, are kind of the point here.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
4 months ago

Since Jan 2025 trillions are pouring in to build essential industries from the Europeans, the Gulf states, Japan, Korea…Since Jan trillions of orders for our LNG and weapons. This week Trump and Xi signed a ceasefire. The killing fire before a ceasefire is over. Ceasefires sometimes break. In 2026/27 Sam Altman IPO might reach $1T.

Harry
Harry
4 months ago

What seems to make this special is we have on one hand Trumps agenda and tarrifs, while on the other hand we have the deep state rearing up in force. This results in flip flops. Tough go ahead. Leaves everyone clueless and powerless to know what to expect.

Joost
Joost
4 months ago
Reply to  Harry

There has of course never been a “Deep State”, with the exception of people taking their responsibilty and standing up to power when needed. (for example Brad Raffensperger, Mike Pence in the certification of the vote). Bit let’s assume there is a Deep State – given all the Trump sycophants in place the Deep State will work very hard to advance whatever whim Trump has in the moment. It would not work against him. The flip flops you mention are entirely due to Trump never having a plan and going with whatever the latest person he spoke with said.

CzarChasm Reigns
CzarChasm Reigns
4 months ago

XI presents no golden gift to Trump & China still gets a 12? That is nonsense!

On the flipside, Trump IS the gift to China…

“Robert Manning, Distinguished Fellow at the Stimson Centre’s Global Foresight Hub and China Programme, says that Chinese leader Xi Jinping sees US President Donald Trump as ‘a gift that keeps on giving’, as Trump’s measures tend to facilitate China’s economic and geopolitical dominance.”

Ginko Biloba
Ginko Biloba
4 months ago

Trump was presented with a Golden Shower and gave it a 12 out of 10!!!!

Frosty
Frosty
4 months ago
Reply to  Ginko Biloba

How old was she? 10 or 12?

Quoting Trump “I have no age limit”…

schwenksville
schwenksville
4 months ago

Rarely post and read less since the anger has gone to1 1 from many posters..just like facts and honest discussion.

The only thing i was interested in gaining insight into : China – US, agreement about what we thought it would be . Is this really just along play?? Not the short we win and you lose drama that it is being portrayed.

the US started this tariff stuff with China and the rest of the world, it seems many countries are to some degree decoupling from China.. some pretty fast.
If the intent is true this can and will put China on its heals . Other countries limiting pass throughs and China goods altogether in some sectors will limit China’s options for work arounds. This admin. and/or future can apply more pressure on China than the can today. So this seems to be along play .

This long play doesn’t seem to come up in discussions and articles that i have seen, maybe I’m reading the wrong sites. Maybe I’m wrong ,like to hear opinions for and against .txs

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
4 months ago
Reply to  schwenksville

The world decoupling from China? Then why is BYD slowly overtaking all other autos? BYD just blew through sales in Europe. BYD is also big in Asia and making huge inroads in Latin America. I was in Mexico last year and surprised to see so many BYD dealerships and cars on the road.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-29/china-blows-past-record-for-europe-car-sales-on-hybrid-ev-gains

Chinese carmakers posted their best month ever in Europe, roaring past previous highs in September on surging demand for battery-powered and hybrid-electric models.

Too bad this car isn’t for sale in the US, I’d buy one.

Jojo
Jojo
4 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Recall the famous movie “The Day the Earth Stood Still”, when the aliens made all the cars come to a standstill?

This is now a real possibility when so much of a car is electronic and potentially reporting back to the manufacturer/government it originated from, who could control the car from afar.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Is BYD pricing intended to eliminate domestic brands?

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

Imagine this. Both the United States and China decide to flood the market with the cheapest cars possible. Who do you think wins in that scenario?

Now apply that same scenario to virtually every other manufactured good. Who wins?

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Um, this is my point. China will produce at a loss if it can dominate the foreign market and remove competition. Either the US becomes competitive, or it takes second place.

Given the ability of China to generally be the low-cost manufacturer, what is left for the US? This is not rhetorical.

IMHO opinion, only one thing is left–that is to be the world’s innovator, a role which it is quickly losing with its lousy education.

It starts with stopping DEI in its tracks and focusing on innovative ability–WHEREVER IT CAN BE FOUND.

Last edited 4 months ago by Flingel Bunt
AussiePete
AussiePete
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

One thing the US has going for it is that it continues to be a magnet for the best and brightest minds from around the world – Elon Musk being an example. I don’t hear of many entrepreneurs and geniuses aspiring to emigrate to China….

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
4 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

BYD has no plant in Mexico. Trump threatened tariffs on Mexico. BYD sells EV and hybrid. They compete with Toyota Siena. Ford builds a hybrid in Mexico. Ford competes with Toyota, Kia, Hyundai…in Mexico. BYD, Toyota, Ford prices are between $40K to $50K in Mexico. In the US tons of 2025 model are looking for buyers.

Last edited 4 months ago by Michael Engel
Edv
Edv
4 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Is all you can cite autos? Short play. Where will autos be in 80 years? Please see above post.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
4 months ago
Reply to  schwenksville

Decoupling takes a while and should be as painless as possible. Seems bidens chips act just along proper lines of how to do it.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
4 months ago
Reply to  schwenksville

Where do you see this evidence of “decoupling?” Everything I’ve read says Chinese exports are stable or growing in spite of large drops in exports to the US, which means they’re increasing trade with other nations. China is strategically working to lessen reliance on American markets. If anything we’re seeing other nations decouple from the US and her schizoid leadership.

jackula
jackula
4 months ago
Reply to  schwenksville

Gold tells us otherwise. Central banks can’t dump US treasury reserves fast enough for gold.

A strategic approach to tariffs would have been a good thing. The thuggish, extortion style approach the current administration used is causing our trading partners and central banks to look elsewhere and some of the decoupling is with the US. China made a big mistake playing their rare earth’s card too broadly otherwise the US would be in a worse position.

There is a ton of inflation on deck, food is skyrocketing, transportation, medical, insurance all are rising quickly.

Big tech, whom we all had the impression the Don was gonna rein in, is now fully in the driver’s seat with AI being the new tech mantra with obscene amounts of resources being poured into it. Not efficiently I might add. China’s open source AI development model is far more efficient and creating big league results for far less resources. China also produces more alternative energy than the US produces from all sources now or soon, key for AI data centers.

A digital bill of rights we desperately need is nowhere on anybody’s radar.

Small business is the biggest driver of middle class wealth in this country and from my view the first ten months of this administration has almost been as hard on them as the pandemic.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago
Reply to  jackula

If other countries are ‘dumping’ treasuries, supply exceeds demand so prices would drop? Yes or No?
If bond prices drop, what do yields do? Up or down?

Do yields affect interest rates? Yes or no?

Last edited 4 months ago by Flingel Bunt
Edv
Edv
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

Where is gold supply exceeding?

If supply is exceeding then why is gold above 4,000???

Edv
Edv
4 months ago
Reply to  schwenksville

Thank you! Long play is about 80 years plus or minus. Subtract 2025 minus 80 . Then subtract 1945 (ish) minus 80. Then subtract 1860 -65 minus 80. Should I continue ?

I appreciate your foresight.

J. Traveler
J. Traveler
4 months ago

So actually, nothing really new … just a lot of hot air …

strataland
strataland
4 months ago

I see nothing from Trump’s interaction with China in this regard to be upset about.

MMchenry
MMchenry
4 months ago
Reply to  strataland

Start with unnecessary tensions. Why have threats if you’re going right back to where you started?

Flavia
Flavia
4 months ago
Reply to  MMchenry

Exactly. Bunch of noise….waste of taxpayer dollars.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago
Reply to  MMchenry

Is trying to do something and failing better than doing nothing at all?

SocalJim
SocalJim
4 months ago

Trump said overall tariffs on China will now be cut to 47% from 57%. I don’t know how you come up with the 10% from 20% number.

The US is in a far better trade situation than it was in March.

Last edited 4 months ago by SocalJim
Doug78
Doug78
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

And China is worse off. Their investment in rare earth processing aimed to produce leverage is now dead money.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
4 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Xi will kick the REE down. We will beef up our stocks to reduce his threats until the US and other countries replace China. Invading Taiwan was not discussed.

Last edited 4 months ago by Michael Engel
Kurticus Maximus
Kurticus Maximus
4 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

this comment is 100% pure uncut copium

Kurticus Maximus
Kurticus Maximus
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

the 20% fentanyl tariff is in addition to the 30% “reciprocal” tariff plus other original tariffs that were already in place. so 10% tariff reduction is hardly a end of trade war. In fact if i was a US importer and i was holding off on raising prices to see what the upshot of this whole thing was i would be coming to grips that your profits are going to get eaten by taxes. A lot of companies have been absorbing tariff cost to avoid raising prices. how much longer will they sacrifice their profits?

Tezza
Tezza
4 months ago

American consumer is the loser.

47 percent tariff (tax) on Chinese goods, and no inexpensive BYD ev for you.

SocalJim
SocalJim
4 months ago
Reply to  Tezza

Cheap goods being dumped into the country undermines US national security. Why is that good for the US consumer?

ad hominem
ad hominem
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

In theory yes. But USA is no longer a country. It’s a NATO province. Our transnational government, corporations, and oligarchs do not follow the USA constitution. At this point, what these tariffs do is protect their profits and wealth concentrations the royals of yore could only dream of stripping from their peasants. Not “national security”.

SocalJim
SocalJim
4 months ago
Reply to  ad hominem

The US has lost most of its manufacturing base due to unfair trade practices. In a major war, we would have a difficult time building equipment to defend ourselves. This is a national security issue.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

The Atlantic (an anti Trump mouth pc): in a major war, in the first round, our military can win against China. In the long run they will win bc China is 50% of the global mfg. We will bonk. China produces ships, planes, drones, missiles…in large quantities. We don’t have enough capacity to compete with them

Last edited 4 months ago by Michael Engel
Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

A China-Russia union creates a contiguous enemy. The US must use ships and planes to cross oceans, Wars are won and lost by geography and resources.

AussiePete
AussiePete
4 months ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

Yes – China’s supply routes of food and energy are very long and indefensible.

AussiePete
AussiePete
4 months ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

That’s amusing. China imports the vast majority of its food and energy. The USA is a major exporter of these items. In a major war, the US blockades China’s shipping routes and within six months, the lights in Beijing go out and the famine starts.

ad hominem
ad hominem
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

Think more granularly. Who actually benefits from you paying 10x for drugs, 2-3x the price for many other things? Who took away medicine and called it “horsepaste”? Who offshored the work and imported extra labor while there were still plenty of us on U-6? Who demands ICE buyers pay premiums to transfer to EV manufacturers doubly benefitting from protection? Who rigs all your elections and controls your media? Who donates to the lobby groups to draft laws signed by the politicians? Who buys those politicians?

Regular guys like you? I wish.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago
Reply to  ad hominem

If you have more, paying more is expected. As for offshoring etc, YOU the customer did that by not buying American, but by buying the cheapest.

Webej
Webej
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

What’s been unfair about it?
Did they overcharge?
Did they bestow too much free subsidy money on American consumers?
Please be specific.

Kurticus Maximus
Kurticus Maximus
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

since when did libertarians become obsessed with more NatSec? Oh right, when Trump told them to

peelo
peelo
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

USA autos aren’t competitive. Four times the competitors’ price is pretty eye-glazing. If Trump was so America First, and is obviously protectionist and not a huge fan of open markets, then why couldn’t he rig something like that? US presidents treat their auto companies like unwanted stepchildren. Which means also, domestic consumers who are not at the top of income.

Kurticus Maximus
Kurticus Maximus
4 months ago
Reply to  SocalJim

national security? Ha you sound like deep state trying to justify the passing the patriot act after 9/11. Lets shovel more money into the pentagon maw! Brilliant

Webej
Webej
4 months ago
Reply to  Tezza

How did you get the 47% number?

ad hominem
ad hominem
4 months ago

One thing that might “solve” a lot of the bad optics for the regime: a cyber event they can blame on [pick an external enemy who plausibly possesses the capability…no not NK or Cuba].

No one gets hurt physically. No need for any deep fake video. Just suddenly — poof! — a lot of retirement money goes missing. And a lot of cold war kiddie grownups are angry. If they can believe the regime’s fentanyl conspiracy theory, why not whatever other conspiracy theory the regime tells them?

“Trump is fighting the Deep State!” /s

Last edited 4 months ago by ad hominem
Rogerroger
Rogerroger
4 months ago
Reply to  ad hominem

The deep state boogie man. Ie someone is holding my feet to the fire for my actions. Thats why trump/ business and those who think there is a deep state dont like the government

ad hominem
ad hominem
4 months ago
Reply to  Rogerroger

I presume you’re not debating a DS, or what Ike referred to as the MIC.

If you’re referring to the ruse on Trump supporters to make them “excuse and accept” that “Trump’s hands are tied”, I see it that way too. I think it’s meant to prevent Trump supporters from blowing their lids with rage over the policies they mostly didn’t vote for.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
4 months ago
Reply to  ad hominem

Did you ever stop to think about the Opium Wars? Might hatred still linger after 180-odd years?
After all, your opium destroyed the old country on Earth (from the Chinese perspective)

Last edited 4 months ago by Flingel Bunt
ad hominem
ad hominem
4 months ago

Remember Karl Rove’s comment about reality-based analysts always being a step behind the imperial apparatchiks as they create new fictions?

Last edited 4 months ago by ad hominem
dtj
dtj
4 months ago
Reply to  ad hominem

That was Dick Cheney. That same attitude is alive and well with the Trump administration. They act as if laws and the Constitution don’t exist. The only resistance is “Gee, I thought we had laws and a Constitution. Let’s debate this while they continue to violate both”.

ad hominem
ad hominem
4 months ago
Reply to  dtj

I’m pretty sure it was Karl Rove aka “Turd Blossom”. Or, IIRC, it was sourced anonymously but presumed most likely to be Rove.

Last edited 4 months ago by ad hominem
dtj
dtj
4 months ago
Reply to  ad hominem

I stand corrected. It was reported as coming from a White House advisor to Bush. It was likely Rove, but never confirmed.

“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

dtj
dtj
4 months ago
Reply to  dtj

I’ll add, this attitude expresses itself in how the US ignores international law and comes up with its own rules. Like it’s OK to blow up boats manned by “narco-terrorists”.

They’re already calling protesters “domestic terrorists” so we’ll see how that plays out in the future.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
4 months ago
Reply to  dtj

Heres one. Produce a map that wont pass muster with the courts. But do it so close to the election that the courts have to allow you to use it. ( this time )

ad hominem
ad hominem
4 months ago
Reply to  ad hominem

The Dubya and Obama admins were “tragedy”. Biden and now Trump smack more of “farce”. As trump himself might brag: “Farce like nobody’s ever seen before!”

Last edited 4 months ago by ad hominem
Augustine
Augustine
4 months ago
Reply to  ad hominem

One Big Beautiful Farce!

SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
4 months ago

On a scale of 0 to 10, I give Trump a minus 2 on his performance on trade and tariff issues.

ad hominem
ad hominem
4 months ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

“Tough. But fair.”

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
4 months ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

You can do something about it, midterms coming right up. It starts there, voting out the clowns.

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4 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

With WHOM?? MPO, if neighbors aren’t meeting with neighbors to pick someone among them to run for the House, nothing will change beyond the curtains and ties.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
4 months ago

Trump is very excited to be back to where he started with his inane trade war. Look at all the gaming of the stock market, timely buys of terrible investments that magically clicked ten minutes later on the heels of Trump’s news. Ask yourself, was the trade war to end the “trade rip-offs” from other countries, or was his real agenda to make more money for the Trump Empire?

100% of readers know full well the answer to this question, especially if they advanced past Econ 101.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
4 months ago

Agree with you 100% so the only question is are you profiting along with all the volatility? I know I am!

Augustine
Augustine
4 months ago

You mean like Junior having a casting agency win a defense contract with the Department of War to make drones?

Pokercat
Pokercat
4 months ago

Yep back to taco-ing the tariffs so they can game the stock markets.

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