Once again, Trump says tariffs can replace the income tax.
In a video post, Reuters reports Trump says he may cut income tax ‘completely’ because of tariff income
Video Transcript
[We collected from the] “European Union $950 billion [in tariffs]. And they are building plants now in the United States because they don’t want to pay tariffs. So this is one of the biggest things economically that’s never happened [and never will]. Nobody’s ever seen anything like it. And over the next couple of years, I think we’ll substantially be cutting and maybe cutting out completely income tax. Could be almost completely cutting it because the money we’re taking in is going to be so large.”
Income Tax Revenue
In fiscal year (FY) 2024, the U.S. federal government collected approximately $4.92 trillion in revenue, with the largest sources being individual income taxes ($2.4 trillion) and payroll taxes ($1.7 trillion). The government has collected $5.23 trillion so far in FY 2025. These figures show that taxes are the primary source of federal income, with individual and payroll taxes accounting for the vast majority of revenue.
US Total Imports
For the 2024 full year, the US imported $3.27 trillion in goods. The US has a surplus in services and there are no tariffs on services anyway.
To replace income tax with tariffs, Trump would have to charge (and collect) $2.4 trillion in tariffs on $3.27 on imports.
That implies a tariff rate of 73.4 percent on all imports, without a decline in imports.
This is obvious economic idiocy, spouted by an obvious economic idiot.
At at an average 73.4 percent rate, tariff collection would plunge because imports would plunge. In practice we would likely have an economic depression.
And in case you missed it, the EU will be ” building plants now in the United States because they don’t want to pay tariffs.”
So, if the EU and others build plants in the US because they don’t want to pay tariffs, how the hell are we going to collect tariffs?
Is Trump Really That Stupid?
Since Trump has repeated this nonsensical message many times, it’s at least possible, if not probable that Trump really is as stupid as he sounds.
It’s also possible Trump is laying the blame for when the Supreme Court rejects his reciprocal tariff stupidity.
I suspect it is some of both.
Meanwhile, In the Real World
November 27, 2025: Deere to Take a Big Tariff Tax Hit of $1.2 Billion in Fiscal 2026
Deere flags a bigger hit from tariffs in 2026 than 2025.
September 6, 2025: Trump’s Aluminum Tariffs Seriously Backfire Already
Tariffs did not and will not bring production back to the US.
March 13, 2025: The Amazing “Success” of Trump’s 2018 Aluminum Tariffs in One Picture
I hope you can take a bit of headline sarcasm because the true story follows.
What Are the Odds the Supreme Court Rules Against Trump on Tariffs?
November 16, 2025: What Are the Odds the Supreme Court Rules Against Trump on Tariffs?
The Supreme Court decision is not random. I discuss a framework.
I believe Trump should lose 9-0 but he won’t. However, I do think he loses 6-3 or possibly 7-2.
See the above article for my rationale.
An Affordability Tie-In
Aren’t tarrifs sort of a sales tac?
I wonder if Trump is familiar with the Smoot-Hawley tariff of 1930. I wonder if his Jewish advisors are familiar with it. The tariff had a very negative economic impact on Germany in the early 1930’s and helped propel the Nazis into power in early 1933.
A recession is when your neighbors asset prices collapse. A depression is when your own asset prices collapse.
“Is Trump Really That Stupid?”
He’s bril!iant if the goal is to inflate away personal debt that was used to purchase either hard or paper assets. I think your assumptions of who Trump aims to benefit is skewed. It’s glaringly obvious the Fed is aiding and abetting the endeavour. A few people will become fabulously richer (including Jay Powell) while not one person will ever be prosecuted, much like the GFC. Unlike the GFC, there are now a plethora of subsidy and/or regulatory guard rails to make it difficult for asset prices to fall going forward. Even Bitcoin has market makers, of all things!
PS To be clear, the FOMC wouldn’t be cutting the Fed Funds rate given a “2% inflation target” and the current exceedingly loose financial conditions, unless they were in on the scheme. Only the Fed can stand in the way of prices being systematically and rapidly pushed higher at this point, and they have abdicated responsibility, indicating culpability.
Check and mate on the part of Trump. It’s a win for him if people are happy, since he can take the credit, and he can point to the Fed as the party to blame if things go off the rails. Sounds a lot more like brilliance than stupidity.
That’s like calling the old snake oil salesman brilliant when, in fact, he was just a highly skilled con man. He was not only convincing when he lied, but he also showed no guilt for misleading those he was fleecing.
Private credit creation has been less in the last few years than fiscal spending. Monetary policy is becoming more irrelevant compared to what congress needs to do which is cut spending. Jay Powell has done more positive things in the last few years than anybody in power has. Very few people wanted him to drive rates up but he did it anyways.
Powell and the FED (except Trump’s recent appointment) are not in on any scheme. They are decent people trying to navigate in a storm of moronic evil.
You *really* believe they are “trying their hardest” to hit a 2% inflation target? LOL!!! It has been what, four years now?
If Trump raise the Tariff level gradually over 2, 3 years, economy can adjust accordingly and he can be successful.
Shock therapy will fail.
Like in Soviet Union, sudden change from communism to capitalism fail the whole system.
Please explain, for example, how Europe has taken advantage of the U.S. over the last 30-40 years by being protectionist, using tariffs and other trade barriers to protect its domestic industries. Still, over the same period, the U.S. outgrew Europe, had lower unemployment, and had higher per-capita income. It seems to me that the last 30-40 years have proved that not having protectionist trade barriers was a superior policy compared to having tariffs and other trade barriers. However, for inexplicable reasons, our current President thinks we should emulate Europe’s failed protectionist policies.
Most countries protect their agricultural industries with higher tariffs. Because of national security. Theirs. If not, the US Ag industry would dump them out of existence. A country will have an exceedingly high tariff on a few things, and Trump will have these nitwits believing it applies to everything.
The country was founded on and financed by tariffs, There was no income tax. What was idiotic about that???????
What’s idiotic is thinking we can do that again.
Do you not understand the math I just posted?
Do you not understand who pays the tariffs?
Do you not understand the great depression?
Can you read or think?
I suggest looking a little closer at the U.S. economy during the 1800s.
You cannot be this dense in the 21st century. No wonder the US is governed by economic illiterates.
Ed, since nobody answered your question—the reason it “worked” then was that the government was far, far smaller and there were hardly any entitlements.
There was no Social Security. No Medicaid.
The US federal spending level was around 1.5% of GDP. Tiny military, mostly relying on militias.
The only Americans stupider than Trump are those that voted for him.
And the really smart people all voted for Kamala.
Harris voters look like Mensa members at this point compared to MAGA
You’re getting warmer.
Hmmm, her economic policy was free trade and an opportunity economy.
That is what she said. Did you really believe she would make it happen?
Yes! I believed her, and so did Mark Cuban and many businesspeople whom I know.
It’s amazing the number of people that think the country would be financially better off if Kamala was president. Trump is far from perfect but the country is better off with Trump being President. The only people that would be better off are the people receiving free stuff that the taxpayers pay for.
You would be better off. In way more ways than one. We’re retired. In 2024 I paid around $60,000 in taxes.
since we’re talking intelligence, I think it would be “those WHO voted for him”.
You know, if the scheme were attached to a proposal to shrink the national government until it fit within tariff income, I’d say it’s not idiotic at all. Inspired, even.
I’ve forgotten, but what was the national government’s share of GDP in 1900? A quick Google search comes up with 3% (per the Tax Foundation). How many years of DOGEing would be required?
If you wanted to hop on your horse and ride the trail into town to buy a pound of nails, then get back to subsistence farming until you died at 34, it was heaven! And it was heaven for 90% of ‘Muricans!
So, let me see: We’re not subsistence farmers today and we live longer than we did a century ago because government is consuming more of what we produce? Brilliant!
Well if idiotic means mathematically unworkable, I’d agree, and it could probably be empirically proven. If idiotic means nonsensical or silly, then that is open to debate. I guess it’s silly because it’s mathematically unworkable, but conceptually it’s an idea you can argue about..
Amend the FED’s charter to create and distribute money as a rebated gift to enterprise at the point of retail sale in exchange for them discounting their prices by 50%. Too simple for the intellectual vanites of the erudite…too world changing not to be a paradigm change in economics and the money system.
seriously? Giving the money to the enterprise is no different than a rebate to the customer. The enterprise gets the same price, the customer gets half off. Their money is doubled by that Latin word called “fiat”- let it be so- and it would be wildly inflationary. Doubling peoples’ purchasing power would just cause prices to double.
Not if you taxed inflations above 2% per annum at a rate of at least 100%. That you would just allow enterprise to game and attempt to destabilze the greatest increase in demand for every enterprise’s goods and services is indicative of the fact that you believe that “free” market theoretics is actually free. IT ISN’T!!! It (as you indicated by thinking that it would just be a perfectly acceptable matter of course if the merchants greatly increased their prices DESPITE benefiting from the doubling of demand) shows how devoid of known and enforcable ETHICAL barriers “free” market theoretics actually is. Its called CHAOS…NOT FREEDOM!
There is no one as blind…as those who will not LOOK and SEE!
Allowing enterprise to do so is perfectly analagous to the following example: You just won the lottery and you and your friend go to redeem the ticket. Your friend however hits you in the face as hard as he can and takes your lottery ticket and redeems it himself…AND THERE’S NOTHING WHATSOEVER WRONG WITH THAT…AT ALL!
Why even have ‘money’? Just give people everything, not a measly 50%. The Fed can always ‘create’ more. Of course, everyone should have the same, since it wouldn’t be fair otherwise. Definitely, a paradigm shift. .
Trump is mathematically illiterate, and quite frankly, it is easy to see why world leaders are laughing at him. Why our press is not eating Trump alive is beyond me as he is bringing irreparable harm to our nation.
Xi and Putin are now forming an alliance that would have been impossible to contemplate without Trumps arrogant destruction of our alliances. Our oil companies have forever lost the ability to exploit Venezuelan oil reserves.
Tariffs do not work, they never have and if Trump had a clue about the history of tariffs he never would have fired this shotgun of random garbage that he ended up TACOing on…
Look at gold again… It is screaming that the dollar and our credit rating is reflecting Trumps massive failures.
Back to work…
What alliances being destroyed are you talking about? Russia, Japan, Hungary, are the only first choice names that come to mind that I would want an alliance with, and that can change as their government changes, just look at England.
An alliance with Russia, now that would be something worth achieving.
However, I seem to remember something about Biden freezing Russian assets because of Ukraine, which created a a major stimulus to the BRICS countries to separate from the US.
Typical taco brain waves (or lack thereof).
Just an observation. Seems republicans always want to push benefits of taxation toward the wealthy and the tax itself on the masses.
In this case everyone has to buy clothes food gas and such to live. Where income tax gets larger with income.
Yes, tariffs are very regressive
Well, as I recall, before the income tax and new central bank there was only tariffs and excise taxes and deflation ruled while the dollar doubled in value while playing cowboys and Indians after importing slaves from the African slave culture was illegal. So with an income tax and the Fed and no tariffs its been inflatorama with a dollar now worth 4 cents while playing cowboys and aliens enjoying foreign slave labor an endless wars for the 1% exempt from all the bleeding for the so called global rule of lawyers’ law that ceases to exist during wars and their absence of law when profitable. Have a nice day Mish. .
do some searching and see what percentage of income taxes are paid by the top (pick a number) five percent of income and what per cent is paid by everyone else. The wealthy need a tax cut, the lower section needs a tax hike, and social welfare needs to be cut in half and restricted. Years ago I asked some people if taxing a $10,000 annual income person at 10% and taxing a $100,000 a year income person at 10% was fair and they said no. The best rate would be zero.
Hey! Let’s tax every dollar over the median income at 25%, and every dollar over $100K at 50%, and every dollar of $200k at 75%, and every dollar over $300K at 85%, and every dollar over $400K at 95%.
There is this thing called arithmetic. They teach it in grade school. Anyway, if you use arithmetic it becomes crystal clear the progressive income tax is vastly superior to all other taxation methods.
Can we see your math on that? Remember to show your work Johnny
“superior” taxation method….that’s like talking about which serial killer was superior.
Math, or opinion? Because really, what exactly is ‘vastly superior’?
Texas has no income taxes. Texas property and sales taxes are leaving elderly Texas people with too few dollars to continue living in their Texas homes. .
My parents are seniors and their property taxes in Texas went down by $1,800 in a year and have remained that way.
While he’s at it, could he also please eliminate the non-profit “informational” filings?
They are a real pain.
The housing crisis is pushing Gen Z into crypto and economic nihilismLocked out of home ownership, young adults are turning to risky financial behavior
https://archive.ph/aqgj0#selection-1529.0-1533.83
Oh no, the evil housing crisis again. What causes risky behavior is a lack of understanding of risk.
Trump is no doubt an idiot about much more than economics, he is also mentally ill.
86/47
25th, impeach or god whatever works
what was you attitude about the previous President? That would show the merit of your position.
I’m 75 my attitude toward every POTUS in my lifetime has been they all suck. Easiest job in the world and they suck at it.
Trump is special and now he is a murderer on the high seas.
Trump bankrupt his casino and share holders but still make himself rich.
Now he is bankrupting the working class of 90% and making billionaires richer.
I assume from your poor grammar that English, or what ever they now speak in the colonies, is not your first language.
Sure, what Trump is saying about tariffs replacing income tax is nonsense. Hard to say if believes it or he just lies because he is a casual liar. But the fact that he can repeat this nonsense again and again tells us something about some of his voters (every country has tons of hmmm not clever voters to be polite) and mainly media. Media should have pulled the plug on this already months ago.
MSM is controlled by corporations who’s only goal is to generate profit. When trump threatens them they usually get to their knees, remember their only real concern is profit.
Years ago the TV news lost money but was broadcast as a public service that the networks thought they had the responsibility to deliver. When advertisers found they could air ads cheaper and that viewership was rising nightly news started to turn a profit. I think it was Dan Rather that predicted that profit was going to ruin nightly news, he was more right than he probably believed.
What MSM are you watching? All I see is King Fascist Trump all day every day, all over the world no less.
MSM has given up profit for propaganda long ago. Just look at Disney
Sorry we gave up on network TV years ago.
And never mind that the tariff burden will be carried by those who spend the majority of their income on day to day living.
There you go. Perfectly said…
in a world of 75% tariffs, the wealthy pay nothing for taxes because they can fly (wearing pajamas or suits) to a non-tariff country to do their shopping
The good news is gold, silver, and miners are nearly back where they were on October 16th. My take is the panic is only just starting, but who knows?
How about a value-added tax to replace income tax? On everything bought, sold, leased, and gifted. No exceptions. Filing each year is a VAST national waste of time.
“Federal government expenditures in the United States were approximately 24% of GDP in fiscal year 2024. This figure is expected to rise to about 40.5% of GDP by the end of 2025.”
The VAT in 2024 would be 24% across the board. 2025, is clearly a disaster.
I favor a targeted VAT.
No tax on food, no tax on basic clothes (perhaps set by price), no tax on medical or cleaning supplies, no tax on medical services. Big tax on boats, jewelry, cars over $X, etc.
Not a total replacement but coupled with an income tax that excludes the first $X in income to encourage people to work. EIC and the like removed. End all deductions.
I am sure this would be more fair.
The really rich dodge those high taxes on boats/jewelry etc by going offshore to do the purchase and then bringing it back into the USA. Even upper middle class can take a vacation somewhere and purchase jewelry to bring it back into the USA.
I’d imagine a huge uptick in cross border shopping into Canada too.
FYI, if you buy a non-USA boat offshore, it cannot be documented in the US without payment of all duties. It can, of course be registered in another country, and then enter the US using a cruising permit/vessel entrance for up to one year. To extend the time, it would need to visit a foreign country, and then reenter. the US. To sell it in the US, all duties must be paid prior.
When importing jewelry etc into the USA, returning residents can bring in items valued up to $800 duty-free. Non-residents must declare all jewelry regardless of value, as there is no personal exemption for them.
Does anyone in reality ever declare jewelry as being bought outside the USA?
I’ve crossed the border countless times with the misses and no one ever asked about her jewelry. I don’t remember the last time I was even asked the value of the goods I was bringing into the USA (its been years).
Don’t bother to declare it then. Just realize this. At some point, a Customs officer will ask for proof of prior ownership, or receipts. This is a loophole that will shortly close if tariffs are in place.
A smart traveler will have an inventory of items and US values before leaving the US, signed and dated at the airport. I used to carry such a list of my camera equipment when I traveled by air. Now, I travel internationally on a boat. I get to carry ship’s stores. Nowadays, the drugs in my first aid kit are fully documented.
So, a bottle of 100-yr-old Scotch would be VAT free? Lobster vat free, $65 a pound tenderloin…. Plastic surgery would be VAT free. Are vacuum cleaners VAT free. On everything, including services, otherwise if becomes as complex as income tax.
I favor a lower, progressive income tax across the board and a financial transaction fee on all trades, including options, commodities, crypto, stocks, and bonds. A higher short-term capital gains tax, a lower long-term capital gains tax, and a lower estate tax exclusion. I would also favor charging a 2% surcharge on margin borrowing above an annual threshold of $1,000,000.
This is very similar to Australia’s current 10% Goods and Services Tax (GST), which includes exemptions for basic food, medical, education, financial services, existing residences, utilities, childcare, charities and precious metals.
The first $18,200 of income is tax free, then it’s 16% up to $45,000 (dropping to 14% from 2027).
A VAT will be tax dodged like crazy by individual transactions (what happens now in Greece/Italy etc).
No one is going to collect VAT when you and your neighbor buy/sell something (or perform a service) to each other directly. It’s not reasonable to expect people to do that nor will there be any way for the government to track that it happened.
You’d get a crazy large increase in the underground economy with a VAT.
I was making a point about the magnitude of monies require to fund the Federal government. The KEY is cutting expenses. NOT taking more money and giving less service.
“Is Trump really that stupid?”
Let’s just say that Trump is a great representative of his supporters. The modern GOP was built around 3 pillars of support: libertarian industrialists who wanted to regain power after the Great Depression, patriotic militarists who would spend billions on military hardware owned by the aforementioned libertarian industrialists, and the important voting bloc: primarily Southern, um, “real Americans” who used religious faith to direct their lives instead of knowledge. This voting bloc was never meant to have actual power, just to faithfully vote for war and tax cuts for corporations. Trump made the unholy decision: to give power to those who should never have it in exchange for the presidency. Bill Buckley’s worst nightmare.
Hey buddy, what is wrong with you? probably 6 years of liberal education?
Smarter than everyone else? I would also bet the recipient of a nice fat pension
for your years of dedicated PUBLIC SERVICE?
?????
Nothing “liberal” about the sort of education you suggest; the word is “leftist.” Adam Smith was a liberal.
Exactly what “power” has trump given to the public. I actually think he has reduced civil rights of the average person. Otherwise I think you may be correct.
There is nothing libertarian about trump. Supporter/industrials are not libertarian if they support his policies.
That certainly seems to be the case. The program, to the extent it’s coherent, smacks of state capitalism.
Where do you get this stuff from–it is gross over-simplification, and mostly incorrect.
when a clown moves in to the palace he doesn’t become king. the palace
becomes a circus old proverb
another smart 1 ??? OMG where or where are you when make my choices at the
ballot machine?
He is his own King’s Fool. There you go!
FYI. “When a clown moves into a palace….” is NOT an old (Turkish) proverb.. The phrase is a modern adaptation of a Circassian saying, created by Elizabeth Bangs, in early 2022, who modified the original saying to fit contemporary political contexts.
The original saying:
“When an ox moves into a palace, he doesn’t become a king, but the palace becomes a barn”
I am so tired of ignorance, I could shit. (New proverb)
The purpose of clowns is to entertain with exaggerated absurdities. And that’s what Trump is doing. This would all be fine except for the little problem that Trump’s clown acts are causing real damage to the US economy, as one can readily discern from the plunging consumer confidence indicators.
Oh yes, The economy was in such a great place 2020 – 2024
I mean……… WOW what great management we had in place.
Way greater than the manager before them and the manager after them.
While some Americans are saving more and receiving raises, half of U.S. adults reported living paycheck to paycheck in Q3 2025. The percentage of adults “doing okay” financially has significantly decreased from its 2021 high.
Don’t worry. It is about to get much worse. They’ll have to walk after their $70K pickups are repossessed.
The repo business is booming.
In principal, I’m against earned income tax. I view it as fractional slavery.
” building plants now in the United States because they don’t want to pay tariffs.” Building factories and running them will create JOBS. True, there will be automation, but even automation needs a human to maintain and repair it.
We will be better off replacing Trump by an AI Agent. He is not salvageable.
A busted tickle me Elmo dipped in bacon grease would suffice.
Number 3 smart one, Your so correct, AI is the answer; be sure and bet your
whole 401 K on the Mag 7
We would be better off replacing trump by any actual person over 9 years old except AI. You should do some investigation into the expected future of AI, it could be really good but more likely really bad for humans.
The ravings of a lunatic.
– Trump really is as stupid as he sounds.
> I have to believe that’s not the case, as He didn’t get this far, by being this stupid.
>> With that being said, there must be a motive, as You pointed out.
– It’s also possible Trump is laying the blame for when the Supreme Court rejects his reciprocal tariff stupidity.
> That doesn’t garner Him much in any way, and if there is one thing Trump does do, is make sure something is in it for His Agenda, May it be Now, or Down the road. As much as we laugh about the 3D Chess analogy, He does seem to play, looking forward, and with multiple possible outcomes. This is what makes Him so confusing at time imo.
>> Perhaps Trump plans on bombarding the SJC with several of these types of request, but from different angles of thought, making them more the same, but still quite different in the possible outcome? He could be looking to gather a consensus approval point, based on the numbers, as they vote on each issue. Just a thought…
– I suspect it is some of both.
> I suspect your correct, but with a slight twist added…
He got this far precisely because he is that stupid. He is the candidate that represents the stupidest people in our nation, and you should be very proud of that, as a stupid person.
– He got this far precisely because he is that stupid.
> Wow, elected President in the most Free & Powerful Nation on Earth, TWICE!! Wealthy beyond what He and His Family will ever spend, Healthy, Married to a Smart & Sophisticated Woman, A Wonderful Father and Husband as noticed, and discussed by Millions. I Hope I’m as Stupid as He is, if it means you get to live as Happy A Life, and with Millions that Adore you!!!
– He is the candidate that represents the stupidest people in our nation.
> He Is NOT A Democrat, and Your Stupid if You believe that…
– and you should be very proud of that, as a stupid person.
> Not nearly as stupid as He is obviously. I didn’t even make President of the Chess Club (placed second 2 years in a row).
Call 911, you appear to be having a stroke.
No, I’m just still very perplexed at how “Silly Stupid” You Are!
Anyone that says the following:
“ He got this far precisely because he is that stupid”
Has got to be at the Very Tip Top of the List of Stupid People. That would be You Obviously.
Quick question for you, are “ALL Past Multiple Term Presidents “ Stupid? I just want to judge Your Actual Level of Stupidity…
If you were honest, you would admit that your opinion is based entirely on what you have read, seen, and heard on the media.
Like all of us, you are brainwashed.
Well, I’m not gonna follow that sloppy pig around and stare at him now am I?
Thank you for the compliment. The smartest people in our nation voted for Biden. What does it say about them, and you?
Oops,
I’m so stupid, I forget Kamala–the blithering idiot.
This one really set you guys off, I didn’t think it was really a big deal
I’m sorry. I’m not smart enough to understand your point.
Hey Hi Cousin Liz… How are you doing sweetie, I hate you 2
Triggered!
“> I have to believe that’s not the case, as He didn’t get this far, by being this stupid.”
And yet, he did.
He’s Chauncey Gardner from the evil universe.
Indeed he did, a marvel of the US political systems despite its checks and balances. As my dear departed dad as used to say, excrement rises to the top.
“This is what makes him so confusing at time imo.”
What makes him so confusing is his insanity, applying normal mental status to him makes no sense and produces confusion.
You have to BE the pig to COMPREHEND the pig.
Study it out.
The numbers don’t work. We would have to pay 100 times tariffs on everything and all be poor as church mice.
How long to build and aluminum plant? Long time. Regs, etc. So saying that has not returned is a canard. In theory, we should not have income tax. Idiotic? Yeah, no. Workable now, probably not.
Aluminum is primarily used to build automobiles, aircraft, and long-distance electrical lines. The USA does not have any large deposits of bauxite and must import it. So if producing aluminum from imported bauxite is a high-cost option (which it is), then those American companies that use it will be at a disadvantage on world markets, costing American jobs long-term.
I’m not radically opposed to tariffs. But if you are going to have them, they should be placed on items that can be produced in the USA competitively (aluminum can’t). And they should have a relatively short duration such that American producers can’t use them to overcharge the population for their products.
American corporations will ALWAYS seek to overcharge, scam and ripoff the American public. It’s a main component of their mission, create or steal as much profit as possible while sharing as little as possible with share holders. Also hide your main mission from everyone behind some BS stated mission that has no reality.