Trump scrapped Obama’s deal. He may be willing to settle for essentially the same deal. Or not.
The answer as to what Trump wants depends on whether you ask Trump or you ask Trump.
Total Dismantlement?
Axios reports Trump will only accept “total dismantlement” of Iran’s nuclear program
What they’re saying: “Total dismantlement. Yes, that is all I would accept,” Trump told “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker.
Trump said he is open to hearing arguments in favor of Iran having a civilian nuclear program, which is something that Secretary of State Marco Rubio has also said he supports.
“There’s a pathway to a civil, peaceful nuclear program if they want one,” Rubio said last month on the “Honestly with Bari Weiss” podcast.
The New York Post was equally committal.
Please consider Trump will only accept ‘total dismantlement’ of Iran’s nuclear program
Still, despite saying there was no room for any middle ground, Trump also suggested he’s open to hearing arguments for Iran to be allowed to develop a civilian nuclear program.
Then again, “you know, civilian energy often leads to military wars. And we don’t want them to have a nuclear weapon,” he said.
The addendum falls in line with what US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff have said about America looking to curtail Iran’s nuclear enrichment program rather than eliminate it completely.
Mish to Grok: How does Trump’s demands on Iran differ from the agreement Obama had and Trump scrapped?
Grok ….
1. Core Objective
- Obama’s JCPOA (2015):
- The JCPOA aimed to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons by imposing strict limits on its nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. It allowed Iran to maintain a limited, civilian nuclear program under rigorous international oversight.
- Key restrictions included limiting uranium enrichment to 3.67% purity, capping Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile at 300 kg, and reducing the number of centrifuges. The deal also mandated extensive International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspections to ensure compliance.
- The agreement was time-bound, with some restrictions (e.g., on enrichment levels and centrifuge numbers) set to expire after 10–15 years, a feature critics called “sunset clauses.”
- The JCPOA focused solely on Iran’s nuclear program, deliberately excluding issues like Iran’s ballistic missile program or regional activities to keep negotiations manageable.
- Trump’s Demands (2025 Negotiations):
- Trump’s primary demand is that Iran must not possess nuclear weapons, emphasizing “no weaponization” of its nuclear program. His administration has expressed a desire for a “Trump deal” that ensures Iran has no path to a nuclear weapon, potentially permanently.
- Unlike the JCPOA’s narrow focus, Trump’s demands initially appeared broader, aiming to address not only Iran’s nuclear program but also its ballistic missile capabilities, support for regional proxies (e.g., Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis), and other “malign activities.”
- However, recent negotiations suggest Trump may be converging toward a deal resembling the JCPOA, focusing on nuclear restrictions (e.g., limiting enrichment to 3.67%) while sidelining broader demands due to Iran’s refusal to negotiate on non-nuclear issues.
- Trump’s primary demand is that Iran must not possess nuclear weapons, emphasizing “no weaponization” of its nuclear program. His administration has expressed a desire for a “Trump deal” that ensures Iran has no path to a nuclear weapon, potentially permanently.
Key Difference:
- The JCPOA was a multilateral agreement with a clear, nuclear-focused framework, accepting Iran’s right to a civilian nuclear program. Trump’s approach initially sought a more comprehensive deal but has shown flexibility, potentially settling for nuclear limits similar to the JCPOA’s, despite his earlier criticism of it as “the worst deal ever.”
2. Nuclear Program Restrictions
- Obama’s JCPOA:
- Iran was allowed to enrich uranium up to 3.67% for civilian purposes, with a stockpile limit of 300 kg. The deal reduced Iran’s centrifuges from ~19,000 to ~6,000 and barred advanced centrifuge use for a decade.
- The Fordow facility was repurposed for research, and the Arak heavy-water reactor was redesigned to prevent weapons-grade plutonium production.
- The deal did not require “zero enrichment” (complete elimination of Iran’s nuclear program), as this was deemed unrealistic given Iran’s technical capabilities and national pride.
- Iran was allowed to enrich uranium up to 3.67% for civilian purposes, with a stockpile limit of 300 kg. The deal reduced Iran’s centrifuges from ~19,000 to ~6,000 and barred advanced centrifuge use for a decade.
- Trump’s Demands:
- Early statements from Trump’s team, including National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, suggested a push for “full dismantlement” of Iran’s nuclear program, including enrichment capabilities, weaponization potential, and strategic missile programs.
- However, U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff later indicated flexibility, suggesting Iran could retain a civilian nuclear program with enrichment capped at 3.67%—mirroring the JCPOA’s limit. This shift sparked criticism from Iran hawks who argued it was a retreat to Obama’s framework.
- Trump’s team has emphasized “verification” to ensure no weaponization, aligning with JCPOA-style IAEA monitoring but potentially seeking stricter or permanent measures.
- Early statements from Trump’s team, including National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, suggested a push for “full dismantlement” of Iran’s nuclear program, including enrichment capabilities, weaponization potential, and strategic missile programs.
Key Difference:
- Trump initially pushed for a more stringent “zero enrichment” or full dismantlement approach, inspired by the “Libya model” (where Libya completely abandoned its nuclear program). Iran rejected this outright, and Trump’s team appears to be reverting to JCPOA-like limits, though possibly with demands for permanent restrictions rather than time-bound clauses.
3. Ballistic Missiles and Regional Influence
- Obama’s JCPOA:
- The JCPOA explicitly excluded Iran’s ballistic missile program and its support for regional proxies, as these were seen as separate issues that could derail nuclear talks. Critics, including Trump, argued this was a major flaw, as it allowed Iran to continue developing missiles and funding groups like Hezbollah.
- Sanctions relief under the JCPOA (unfreezing ~$100 billion in assets and lifting oil sanctions) was criticized for potentially enabling Iran’s regional activities, though much of the funds went to domestic economic needs.
- The JCPOA explicitly excluded Iran’s ballistic missile program and its support for regional proxies, as these were seen as separate issues that could derail nuclear talks. Critics, including Trump, argued this was a major flaw, as it allowed Iran to continue developing missiles and funding groups like Hezbollah.
- Trump’s Demands:
- Trump’s 2025 National Security Presidential Memorandum called for denying Iran intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), countering its terrorism sponsorship, and addressing its missile program alongside nuclear issues.
- However, Iran has insisted that negotiations focus solely on its nuclear program, refusing to discuss missiles or proxies. This has forced Trump’s team to narrow their focus, potentially sidelining these demands to secure a deal.
- Trump’s “maximum pressure” sanctions, reimposed in 2018 and continued in 2025, aim to economically choke Iran into concessions on these broader issues, but Iran’s economic desperation may prioritize sanctions relief over missile or proxy concessions.
- Trump’s 2025 National Security Presidential Memorandum called for denying Iran intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), countering its terrorism sponsorship, and addressing its missile program alongside nuclear issues.
Key Difference:
- Trump’s rhetoric emphasizes a holistic approach, targeting Iran’s missiles and regional influence, unlike the JCPOA’s nuclear-only focus. Yet, practical negotiations in 2025 suggest Trump may accept a nuclear-centric deal, as Iran refuses to negotiate broader issues, undermining his initial ambitions.
4. Sanctions Relief
- Obama’s JCPOA:
- The JCPOA provided significant sanctions relief, including lifting U.S. and EU secondary sanctions on Iran’s oil sector, unfreezing ~$100 billion in assets, and reintegrating Iran into global financial systems. This allowed Iran to ramp up oil exports to pre-sanctions levels.
- Relief was contingent on Iran’s compliance, with a “snapback” mechanism to reimpose sanctions if Iran violated terms.
- The JCPOA provided significant sanctions relief, including lifting U.S. and EU secondary sanctions on Iran’s oil sector, unfreezing ~$100 billion in assets, and reintegrating Iran into global financial systems. This allowed Iran to ramp up oil exports to pre-sanctions levels.
- Trump’s Demands:
- Trump’s negotiations involve sanctions relief as a key incentive, but the extent and permanence of relief remain unclear. Iran demands a full lifting of sanctions, citing its economic crisis (e.g., the rial’s 95% value loss since 2018).
- Trump’s team has expressed skepticism about providing relief that could fund Iran’s regional proxies or missile programs, suggesting stricter conditions or phased relief tied to compliance.
- Unlike the JCPOA, Trump may seek U.S. guarantees against future withdrawals, as Iran distrusts the U.S. after Trump’s 2018 exit.
- Trump’s negotiations involve sanctions relief as a key incentive, but the extent and permanence of relief remain unclear. Iran demands a full lifting of sanctions, citing its economic crisis (e.g., the rial’s 95% value loss since 2018).
Key Difference:
- The JCPOA offered immediate, substantial sanctions relief with clear mechanisms, while Trump’s approach appears more cautious, potentially tying relief to broader compliance or permanent nuclear concessions. Iran’s demand for guaranteed U.S. adherence complicates negotiations.
5. Negotiation Style and Context
- Obama’s JCPOA:
- Negotiations were multilateral, involving the P5+1 (U.S., UK, France, Russia, China, Germany) and the EU, with extensive technical discussions over 20 months. The process was diplomatic, with Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry meeting frequently.
- Iran’s nuclear program was less advanced in 2015, giving negotiators more time to craft a deal. The deal was framed as a diplomatic win for Obama, despite criticism from Republicans and Israel.
- Negotiations were multilateral, involving the P5+1 (U.S., UK, France, Russia, China, Germany) and the EU, with extensive technical discussions over 20 months. The process was diplomatic, with Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry meeting frequently.
- Trump’s Demands:
- Trump’s negotiations have been primarily bilateral (U.S.-Iran, mediated by Oman), with less involvement from other powers, reflecting his preference for direct deal-making.
- The urgency is higher in 2025, as Iran has advanced its nuclear program significantly since 2018, enriching uranium to 60% (close to weapons-grade 90%) and stockpiling enough for multiple bombs.
- Trump’s style is theatrical, emphasizing personal diplomacy (e.g., letters to Ayatollah Khamenei) and threats of military action if talks fail, contrasting with Obama’s methodical approach.
- Mixed messaging from Trump’s team (e.g., Witkoff’s shifting statements on enrichment) suggests internal disarray, unlike the JCPOA’s cohesive strategy.
- Trump’s negotiations have been primarily bilateral (U.S.-Iran, mediated by Oman), with less involvement from other powers, reflecting his preference for direct deal-making.
Key Difference:
- Obama’s negotiations were structured, multilateral, and patient, leveraging a less advanced Iranian program. Trump’s approach is unilateral, urgent, and chaotic, driven by Iran’s near-breakout capability and his deal-making persona, with military threats as leverage.
6. Criticism and Political Context
- Obama’s JCPOA:
- Critics, including Trump, argued the JCPOA was too lenient, citing sunset clauses, exclusion of missiles, and sanctions relief that allegedly fueled Iran’s regional aggression. Israel and Saudi Arabia opposed it, fearing it empowered Iran.
- Supporters, including Obama, argued it was the best realistic option, buying time to delay Iran’s nuclear ambitions and avoiding war.
- Critics, including Trump, argued the JCPOA was too lenient, citing sunset clauses, exclusion of missiles, and sanctions relief that allegedly fueled Iran’s regional aggression. Israel and Saudi Arabia opposed it, fearing it empowered Iran.
- Trump’s Demands:
- Trump’s negotiations face criticism from Iran hawks (e.g., Senator Tom Cotton) and Israel, who argue he’s reverting to Obama’s “dangerous” framework by accepting 3.67% enrichment.
- Supporters, including some Gulf states like Saudi Arabia (now more open to Iran talks), see a deal as stabilizing, given Iran’s economic weakness and regional setbacks (e.g., losses in Syria and Lebanon).
- Trump’s withdrawal from the JCPOA in 2018 accelerated Iran’s nuclear advances, complicating his 2025 negotiations and drawing irony from critics who note his potential deal mirrors Obama’s.
- Trump’s negotiations face criticism from Iran hawks (e.g., Senator Tom Cotton) and Israel, who argue he’s reverting to Obama’s “dangerous” framework by accepting 3.67% enrichment.
Key Difference:
- The JCPOA was criticized for its limitations but praised for pragmatism. Trump’s demands face scrutiny for inconsistency and for potentially replicating the JCPOA he derided, with added pressure from Iran’s advanced program and regional volatility.
Critical Analysis
- Trump’s Shift: Trump’s initial hardline stance (full dismantlement, missile restrictions) reflects his campaign rhetoric and criticism of the JCPOA’s flaws. However, Iran’s refusal to negotiate beyond nuclear issues and its advanced program have forced a pragmatic retreat, aligning his demands closer to Obama’s deal. This suggests Trump prioritizes a diplomatic “win” over ideological purity, despite risks of alienating his base.
- Iran’s Leverage: Iran’s economic desperation (95% currency devaluation, oil revenue losses) pushes it toward talks, but its nuclear advances give it leverage to resist dismantlement. The JCPOA was negotiated when Iran was further from a bomb; Trump faces a tighter timeline, limiting his ability to demand more.
- Regional Dynamics: Unlike 2015, when Saudi Arabia opposed the JCPOA, Gulf states now support talks due to warming Iran-Saudi ties and economic diversification goals. This reduces regional pushback but doesn’t guarantee a stronger deal.
- Risks of Failure: Trump’s military threats (e.g., “bombing the likes of which they’ve never seen”) raise stakes, but his reported reluctance to endorse Israeli strikes suggests diplomacy is his preference. A failed deal could escalate tensions, unlike the JCPOA’s de-escalatory effect.
Grok Conclusion
Trump’s demands on Iran initially aimed for a broader, more permanent deal than the JCPOA, targeting nuclear dismantlement, ballistic missiles, and regional proxies. However, Iran’s resistance and nuclear advances have pushed his negotiations toward a framework resembling Obama’s deal, with similar enrichment limits (3.67%) and a focus on verification. Key differences include Trump’s unilateral, threat-heavy approach, emphasis on permanent restrictions, and initial ambition to address non-nuclear issues, though these have largely been sidelined.
The irony, as noted on X, is that Trump may end up with a deal he once called a “disaster,” shaped by the consequences of his 2018 withdrawal.
End Grok – Start Mish
Trump unilaterally killed a deal that even his own department of defense said Iran was honoring.
That deal was one of very few Obama success stories.
After scrapping the deal and getting nothing in return, Iran is now on the verge of nuclear weapons capability.
Given Trump’s cancellation of USMCA on absurd pretenses, is there any reason for Iran to believe Trump will honor any deal he signs?
This is nearly the same setup as Trump killing NAFTA for USMCA then not liking his own deal.
Schrödinger’s Trump
In Trumperland 1 + 1 can be 2, zero, or 11, or all three simultaneously.
Thus, it is entirely possible for there to be a deal in which Iran has no nuclear program plus a nuclear program or an unknown program depending on how Trump feels at the moment.
For discussion of Schrödinger’s Trump, please see Mysterious US Trade Reps Meet With Mysterious China Trade Reps. It’s a Mystery
The unknown meet the unknown discussing the unknown. Let’s discuss Schrödinger’s Cat vs Schrödinger’s Trump.
Thou Shalt Not Buy Iranian Oil
While pondering the mechanics of 1 + 1 = 11, please note Trump says any country that buys oil from Iran will not be allowed to do any business with U.S.
“Any Country or person who buys ANY AMOUNT of OIL or PETROCHEMICALS from Iran will be subject to, immediately, Secondary Sanctions,” Trump said in a post on his social media platform Truth Social. “They will not be allowed to do business with the United States of America in any way, shape, or form.”
Trump in February ordered a “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran that aims to completely shut down the Islamic Republic’s oil exports. The president accused Iran in remarks at the White House Thursday of financing militant groups throughout the Middle East.
I somehow sense a problem.
China will not pay any attention to this silliness, nor should they.
Sanctions bite, but Iran’s oil still flows
DW asks Can Donald Trump stop Iran’s oil exports to China?
Despite US efforts to strangle its oil trade, Tehran is still exporting an estimated 1.2 million to 1.5 million barrels of crude per day, according to commodity analytics firms Kpler and Vortexa.
That marks a sharp recovery from mid-2020, when a combination of sanctions and the COVID-19 pandemic had driven exports to below 400,000 barrels a day.
Most of Iran’s crude is sold at a discount to China, which has emerged as its most consistent buyer despite the threat of US sanctions. Analysts estimate Tehran earns between $30 billion (€26.45 billion) and $40 billion annually from these sales — revenue that supports everything from domestic subsidies to its regional proxy forces.
Iran’s continued oil exports rely on a complex web of clandestine operations that make up a vast gray-market industry, say experts. Tankers frequently go dark by switching off their transponders to evade detection.
Oil is often transferred between ships at sea to disguise its origin, and vessels routinely change names, flags, and registries to create confusion. In many cases, documentation is forged to falsely indicate that the oil originated in countries such as Iraq or Malaysia.
Chinese refiners benefit from steep discounts, while Beijing refuses to recognize US sanctions against Iran. This thriving shadow industry has raised alarms in Washington, where officials warn that enforcement gaps — especially in Southeast Asia — are undermining global sanctions policy.
With tariffs at 145 percent already, there is no more harm Trump can do to China without making a bigger mess in the US as well.
Trump wants credit for anything any previous president did even when changing nothing. He is a loser of the highest order from his generation. Trump is replaceable. Just wait and see.
ART OF THE DEAL-DO-OVER
How to Do Nothing That Seems Like A Lot
A deal would have little point: The JCPOA did not result in substantial sanctions relief, and the history of sanctions (illegal under international law and the UN Charters) are rarely lifted, taking decades.
Perhaps it would be great if the US, as the greatest (by far) rogue aggressor nation dismantled its nuclear program … it has always been the party to block any progress on global nuclear disarmament; nuclear is a policy tool the US has used only too often.
And while we’re at it, perhaps the US could stop its sponsorship of terrorism — it is far and away the largest sponsor.
Since Oct 7 2023 the IDF raided Jasa and left. If Trump fails the IDF will dissect Jasa into several tranches, clear an area above/underground and stay. The longer Hamas resists the IDF will occupy more tranched and stay, tightening the noose around Sinwar little bros. Civilians will move to safe areas, protected by the IDF. and fed. If Trump wins, if Hamas agrees to disarm and leave, Trump might extend his trip.
The Trumpian art of the deal is ask for maximum, then accept the minimum. That’s good when the negotiations are secret. However, when the whole world is watching because of your advertisement around it, it could turn into a Napoleonic retreat from Moscow.
I’m waiting for Trump to reconstruct the Trans-Pacific Partnership. But no, because it has the word “trans,” and it acknowledges we actually live in an environment. And it doesn’t fit well on a bumper sticker.
The name does suck.
Breaking News – Trade deal done! It’s between the UK and India though….
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/06/uk-and-india-strike-a-deal-amid-us-led-trade-tensions.html
The United Kingdom and India struck a bilateral trade agreement Tuesday, lowering tariffs on key exports such as U.K. whisky and cars, amid a global trade war initiated by the United States.
That’s what happens when you Brexit. You can negotiate a trade agreement in a reasonable amount of time 🙂
And other countries like Brazil were raising tariffs last year.
“Brazil imposes new tariffs on imports from China in bid to fight dumpingDuties on a range of imports, including iron, steel and fibre optics, come less than a month before Xi Jinping is to visit Rio de Janeiro”
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3283014/brazil-imposes-new-tariffs-imports-china-bid-fight-dumping
The Israeli air force hit the Hooties yesterday and today with the US.
usa+gb bombed Germany since 1940 . each 2-4 days it was new Hiroshima, bomb weight wise.
peak of Germany war production was 4qrt 1944 / 1 qrt 1945
keep on dreaming!!
The IDF warn civilians to evacuate Sana airport before the attack. Sana airport was destroyed. Yesterday they blew Hodeida port and other targets.
And yet Ansar Islam will continue shooting their missiles. All they demanded was that Israel stick to the Gaza ceasefire they’d previously agreed to, but Israel is committed to committing a holocaust.
did you read my post about German bombings? apparently no!
it is not that hard.
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open geo map !!
Houthi controls gulf of Aden, and THUS Red Sea! AND THUS Suez channel
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UNLESS SOMEONE ( usa/nato/etc) totally stop all maritime traffic in that region IT WONT MATTER!!
iran is pretty much around! by land or by water.
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and dont get me started about land routes in Oman. look at map!
ppl of Oman is just 5 mil people, living mostly in cities!
nobody knows what happens out there outside cities.
israel / usa are fu111ked!!!
alx
The Ho Chi Minh Trail was bombed with greater tonnage than all the Allied bombing of Germany in WWII. The US lost that war too.
he is uneducated mo1ron! pal above
ohno.. by the way, Trump lives in the same house that Obama used to live in. He uses the same dollar that Obama used to use.
lets find more petty differences that aren’t significant to club each other over the head with while the world burns.
Doesn’t matter, Trump won’t stick to any deal he signs so why bother negotiating. Just wait 1355 days until he’s permanently gone and negotiate with adults.
Every nation’s best negotiating tool is to delay and drag it out as long as possible until the next administration comes in.
– Trump won’t stick to any deal he signs so why bother negotiating. > Seems most deals Trump wishes to “Renegotiate” are deals that, He didn’t sign off on originally, He didn’t have a role in the Negotiations for the deal, or the opposition party has changed, reneged, snuck something else in, or was dishonest in there intentions of the negotiations. He’s pretty rock solid otherwise, and ways has been. That’s why He has made so, so many deals in His Lifetime so far. In fact, until He got into Politics, there was not many reasons too.
– Just wait 1355 days until he’s permanently gone and negotiate with adults. > Absolutely, as nothing should change. JD Vance will be up next, and they are cut from the same “Let’s get it done” cloth! One of the many reasons He will be the Next President IMHO.
– Every nation’s best negotiating tool is to delay and drag it out as long as possible until the next administration comes in. > True IF they are Lazy (See Bush), not interested (See Kamala), are not capable (see Joe), or not fit for office, and we’re elected as the Pawn (Too Many)…
That’s Definitely NOT Trump!!!
Not true at all. Trump has reneged on most of the deals he signed. See his vast portfolio of bankruptcies. The man is either a thief or utterly incompetent. Or both.
He is a certified bona fide convicted felon.
Only the left believes that NYC “conviction” was anything other than a kangaroo court. The November election proves that. If you want to convince Trump voters of his flaws there are many better arguments to make: being Israel’s bitch, pushing for MORE military spending – of all things, continuing to let arms and intel flow to the Ukronazis, deporting a permanent resident just for protesting Israel’s genocide in Gaza, extending tax cuts for the wealthy. Not to mention the on-again/off-again tariffs.
A laundry list of things only a convicted felon would do.
Poo poo pee pee. Show us on the doll where Orange Man touched you.
I had been wondering how those renters, blacks and hispanics that put trump over the top have been doing. Looks like not so well. JD Vance win? Lol.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/06/hispanic-shoppers-groceries-coca-cola-modelo-corona-mazola.html
Got puts?
Paul Tudor Jones thinks market drop even if tariff issues dialed back.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/06/paul-tudor-jones-says-stock-market-will-hit-new-lows-even-if-trump-cuts-china-tariffs-to-50percent.html
Hispanic consumers and Hispanic voters are not necessarily the same. Besides, Coca Cola isn’t good for you.
How about them renters?
https://cred-iq.com/blog/2025/03/27/apartment-loan-delinquencies-surge-39-in-q4-2024-a-deep-dive-into-the-numbers/
Apartment Loan Delinquencies Surge 39% in Q4 2024
Biden kept the tariffs of Trump’s first administration and slapped China with additional tariffs of 25% on multiple items, 50% on solar panels and 100% on EVs. That could be a long waiting game.
as big fan of history i find it is amusing that Israel hates Iran so much .
Iran(=ancient) SAVED Jewish PEOPLE TWICE DURING COMMON HISTORY
Cyrus , founder of ancient Persian empire , saved je11ws from Babylon.
and 2d time after Rome sacked Jerusalem , Je11wish people scattered all other middle east, and big chunk of settled in ancient Iraq/Iran, even before those countries become Muslim.
seems like it is father-children hate. Iran is being father!!!
alx bs: the israelis don’t hate Iranians and most iranians don’t hate Israel; The Iranians are the least anti semitic in the ME. Bibi is very popular in Iran. After Oct 7 2023 many American and European Jews send their kids to jewish schools if they can afford them. Many Iranians Jews live in Great neck Ny.
i meant Israel gov overall and ruling class!
=Bibi is very popular in Iran
it is funny!
Israeli government worries more about Persians than Arabs – mainly due to the perceived differential in intelligence.
=Arabs – mainly due to the perceived differential in intelligence.
well it was not that way…
Islamic conquests started in 7*8 century.!
during that time it was center of human civilization!
pretty much everything later came from Arabs into Europe!
most of Americans dont have a clue about ancient history, and can’t see difference ancient Jewish people, and modern Zionists from Israel who are mostly from former Russian empire/ USSR
hint: current premier of Israel is Bibi Netanyahu, WAS NOT BORN IN Israel AND NOT Netanyahu!!!
Golda Meir WAS NOT Meir and was born in Kiev, Russian empire.
and on on on
alx bs: Golda was a Palestinian Jew under the British Mandate until 1948. There are 17 millions Jews in the world. About 8 millions ,or 45%, live in Israel. Most of them are sephardic Jews. Most Israelis are either very religious, or semi religious. The Israeli population is 10 millions. 2 millions are Israeli Arabs. Most of the Israeli “elite” are Ashkenazi Jews. The hate Bibi. During Obama regime change attempt Bibi made a coalition with the religious parties and got the Sephardic vote. The new chief of staff is a sephardic Jew. Many of them are leading the defense industries and other industries.
On 9 July 1917, Golda became a naturalized US citizen, as her father had naturalized, and at that time children of naturalized citizens under the age of 21 received citizenship by descent.
In 1921, after the conclusion of the war, the couple moved to Palestine, then part of the British Mandate,
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SHE MOVED INTO Palestine WHEN she was 25 years old, and being USA citisen!!
alx
Michael, Don’t forget the Mizrahi Jews who are ascendant recently. They are the most hardcore.
You left out 15% Russian Jews.
It’s a simple as asking, “what’s in it for Trump?”
Two options
The much desired Nobel
or
the security of TrumpGaza as floated by Israel
A quick systemic change. Not a frog cooking.
Meaning a quick ethnic cleansing. I do see the appeal, from Israel’s point of view. Send the Gazans elsewhere. It’s unjust, though. And it wouldn’t stop there. The “Greater Israel” people have bigger plans.
Trump is flying to the Gulf states May 13/16 to force Hamas to sign a ceasefire with Israel, or else: he will unleash the IDF. If Hamas or Iran sign SPX to ==> 7K.
Imagine if we just pulled our military out of the middle east and let them figure it out for themselves.
to quote Ellen Ripley, ““I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”
Believe it or not …
It seems that America has had 2 types of leadership over the last 37 (since Reagan) years:
1) Presidents that $ell out to foreign interests, open the borders to and financially subsidize any illegal alien that can make it here, try to guilt-trip the white population of the country into believing that George Floyd was a Saint and then DEI/CRT that portion of the country into second class citizenship, demand that the U.S. power its grid through solar and wind, thereby increasing the costs for heating and cooling our homes and driving our cars and deindustrialize our economy into oblivion and also accept any trade agreement or treaty that financially and socially sodomizes the U.S. and its people and start as many wars as possible.
Or,
2) An arrogant a$$hole President that, at least, in his narcissistic mind, tries to negotiate the best agreements.
If those are our choices, I will take the second option.
You described only the last two presidents. In my opinion, our problem is that the American people have become too stupid to elect anyone else in the primaries.
“try to guilt-trip the white population of the country into believing that George Floyd was a Saint”
His character wasn’t and isn’t the issue. The crime of attempting to pass a counterfeit bank note at a market was handled in such a way that it resulted in his life ending.
There is plenty of substance to have a conversation about the sequence of events and the incident as a whole, but to summarize the societal takeaway how you did is insulting to everyone (yourself included).
Iranian ballistic missiles at night hitting Israel. Looked like a video game. Houthis land a ballistic missile by Ben Gurion airport. Yemen has a GDP which is smaller than the smallest state Vermont’s GDP. How do the Houthis have so much advanced weaponry? The proxy that Iran does not want to discuss. Israel has dirt napped much of Hezbollah and Hamas. How many warheads do the Israelis possess? Because they will gladly make glass in Iran before suffering another holocaust. Talk about destabilizing.
Maybe the USA ought to be demanding BOTH SIDES give up their nukes?
But only one side bribes our government officials.
Maybe the USA should put 50 *100 nuclear warheads inside Iran for protection, or ask Russia to do this
and then put both countries on table iran/israel to have talks
No one gives up their nukes, especially after UKR gave up theirs. Ok, they were still techinically controlled by the Russians.
any reports who many kids Israel killed bombing civil buildings?
keep us posted
Who cares? This is a Christian nation and God Almighty killed children with abandon. It’s almost a sin not too. Read your Bible! The Word of the Lord!
Is that why the Federal Government supported castrating children?
Be a Christian and be against Israel. Read your Bible!
Exodus 32:7-10
Don’t know. 38 kids were killed by Hamas in its terror blitzkrieg. Its terrible when children are caught in the crossfire of war. With the Houthis, no one attacked them. They are Iran’s proxy, not a government representing the people of Yemen. Same with Hamas and Hezbollah. How many Uyghur children, or Tibetan children have been liberated from the earth by their CCP benefactors? Those genocides appear to have gone out of fashion.
With “no more wars” Trump in power, Iran knows it doesn’t need nukes, so has, like NK, stopped development. However, the leaders do enjoy their trips to the decadent west so keep up the charade.
“no more wars”..?!
That must be why he is bombing Houthi civilian facilities and cities and killing Houthi civilians, why the American military is directly involved in the genocide of the Palestinian civilians and why he is still arming and providing intelligence and targeting data to the war criminals in Kiev INSTALLED BY THE AMERICANS THEMSELVES.
Trump is leaps and bounds better than Biden under all respects and if I were an American I would have of course voted for him but he too is a clown and a puppet of the higher powers ruling the US.
The US and the UK ruling elites are at the top of the satanic and dystopian forces which have destroyed the Western societies and wrecked havoc around the world.
6:1 odds the CIA or MI6 was behind the attack in Kashmir to punish India and bog them down for the crimes of buying Russian energy and trying to get along with China.
I’d give 8:1 odds MI6/Ukraine was behind the Crocus Theater attack. Jake Sullivan dutifully reported it to be the work of the dreaded “ISIS-K”. The ol’ Khorasan Group. Sure, Jake.
I wouldn’t even talk about “odds” but “certainties”…
If Trump”s deal requires Iran to give their enriched uranium to Russia, he better stop sending arms to Ukraine to kill Russians. Trump just made the US proxy war against Russia his war.
Go to any high school U.S History book and let me know if “Mossadegh” and “Shah” show up in the index.
“God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain
Invade the world, invite the world.
jesus! wow . not so fast. slow down tiger.
what is history book? is it some app or something? how can i download one
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trump the wimp tries to talk big but is still a wimp. as for the equally stupid rubio. itran is not making a death star nuke as the paranoid israel wants all to believe. the french brought nuclear power to iran since the u.s. clowns don’t appear to know much. and iran is the top producer of nuclear medical isotopes. so basically following israel BS IS BEING STUPID.
= in favor of Iran having a civilian nuclear program
I am in favor of Iran having nuclear rockets and sh11it, but this =civilian nuclear program= is of course BS!
Iran is 2-3x place in the world w/ gas and oil reserves.
yes Iran is huge country( 2x as size as Ukraine), and big population up-to 90 mil, but ONLY REASON IRAN WANTS NUCLEAR IS PROTECTION from lunatics=Zionists from modern Israel!
somehow Israel can have nuclear, and Iran can’!t
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as big fan of history i find it is amusing that Israel hates Iran so much .
Iran(=ancient) SAVED Jewish PEOPLE TWICE DURING COMMON HISTORY
Cyrus , founder of ancient Persian empire , saved jews from Babylon.
and 2d time after Rome sacked Jerusalem , Jewish people scattered all other middle east, and big chunk of settled in ancient Iraq/Iran, before those countries become Muslim.
seems like it is father-children hate. Iran is being father!!!
alx
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of course, most of Americans dont have a clue about ancient history, and can’t see difference ancient Jewish people, and modern Zionists from Israel who are mostly from former Russian empire/ USSR
hint: current premier of Israel is Bibi Netanyahu, WAS NOT BORN IN Israel AND NOT Netanyahu!!!
Golda Meir WAS NOT Meir and was born in Kiev, Russian empire.
and on on on
Under the original treaty contained sunset clauses that said in 2026 Iran could use centrifuges again to enrich material to nuclear grade again. Additionally military sites could only be inspected 24 days after a request to inspect them had been made. There were holes in the treaty that basically set them up to have a bomb soon after 2026 as by the end of that year. The treaty looked good on paper but had fatal flaws especially in compliance and the the existence of the sunset clauses. Will Trump do better? I have no idea but the Biden administration continued Trump’s Iran policy and eventually declared JCPOA dead. They didn’t like it either.
paranoid much? or believe the paranoid psychopaths in israel? which. iran has no interest in a nuke. and you want them imnspected? the IAEA has repeatedly stated after inspections that their is no nuke production. now dimona on the other hand refuses inspections. and was one of the reasons jfk was assassinated ,he insisted dimona be inspected. looking at the wrong nuke threat.
I always wanted to ask an Irish person this. You are Irish. Do you really believe leprechauns, fairies and silkies exist?
Ireland and the Nazis: a troubled history
As a neutral leader, de Valera trod a fine line between Nazi Germany and Britain, not helped by a pro-Nazi envoy in Berlin and his controversial condolences on Hitler’s deathhttps://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/ireland-and-the-nazis-a-troubled-history-1.3076579
Aren’t you talented, finding someone from Ireland like that? Congrats!
I decided to take the opportunity to ask a real Irishman about their beliefs in the supernatural and since IRISH is certainly a real Irishman I asked.
Once again, Doug, like Trump, writes his own story. Let’s not confuse him with facts. However, he does provide an opportunity to review our own biases.
I like being compared to Trump. Thank you. If you had compared me to Biden or Harris I would have been offended. Since you like comparisons which president or PM would you compare yourself to? Trudeau maybe or perhaps Merkle?
Still waiting for the international condemnation, isolation and sanctions, on par to those on North Korea, to Israel for having violated the NPT.
When IAEA inspections and denuclearization of the regime in Tel Aviv?
I am sure that the “Western democracies” with their “rules based international order” will take care of it any day now…
Is it a “beautiful” deal?
It will be another WIN.
You have to tell to stop WINNING.
Anything is better than starting a war with Iran.
Turning to the Iranian side, their “we’re almost nuclear, we’re at 66.999%… now 67.222?, you better watch out” seems like Mr. Kramden’s continual threat of: “To the moon, Alice, to the moon!”. Iran does not want nukes, Russia and China told them “no”; if Tehran built nukes Saudi Turkey Egypt and even Kuwait would nuke up. Who wants to live in that neighbourhood? Best case: Iran agrees to give up its phony nuke program in exchange for some phony sanctions relief and the Administration gets back to the serious business of protecting Mickey Mouse and American cartoon characters by sanctioning Asterix and Tintin comic books, 5000%!!!
Trump will do whatever Israel wants
Israel is currently deliberately starving to death 2 million people right now in real time.
No American cares half as much about two million starving folks as we do about our right to jockey our ideas over coffee and the internet. What’s wrong with America, anyway?
What you missed is that the JCPOA excluded inspections of Iran’s military sites, i.e. the very locations where the nuclear weapons development was taking place. The “rigorous international oversight” was illusory given the areas excluded from inspection. The IAEA admitted as much.
I’m sure that the Pushover in Chief will negotiate a great deal, and that Iran will totally trust Trump to hold up his end of whatever is said to be agreed on. Iran will not have any reason to doubt that given Trump’s (recent) actions, and therefore no reason at all to break any part of the deal themselves.
Trump scrapped Obama’s deal out of jealousy and is now dealing with the consequences. Noone is surprised.
Sure. Negotiations require compromise for success. But the JCPOA very, very successfully kept Iran from gaining nuclear capability. Donald Trump just scrapped it and put on sanctions WITHOUT ANY INSPECTIONS ANYWHERE. Now Iran truly is almost capable of producing nuclear warheads BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP’S ABJECT STUPIDITY. The only thing worse? His supporters think he’s winning!