Please consider Trump Administration Discussed Coup Plans With Rebel Venezuelan Officers.
>The Trump administration held secret meetings with rebellious military officers from Venezuela over the last year to discuss their plans to overthrow President Nicolás Maduro, according to American officials and a former Venezuelan military commander who participated in the talks.
>Establishing a clandestine channel with coup plotters in Venezuela was a big gamble for Washington, given its long history of covert intervention across Latin America. Many in the region still deeply resent the United States for backing previous rebellions, coups and plots in countries like Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil and Chile, and for turning a blind eye to the abuses military regimes committed during the Cold War.
>The White House, which declined to answer detailed questions about the talks, said in a statement that it was important to engage in “dialogue with all Venezuelans who demonstrate a desire for democracy” in order to “bring positive change to a country that has suffered so much under Maduro.”
>But one of the Venezuelan military commanders involved in the secret talks was hardly an ideal figure to help restore democracy: He is on the American government’s own sanctions list of corrupt officials in Venezuela.
>He and other members of the Venezuelan security apparatus have been accused by Washington of a wide range of serious crimes, including torturing critics, jailing hundreds of political prisoners, wounding thousands of civilians, trafficking drugs and collaborating with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, which is considered a terrorist organization by the United States.
>American officials eventually decided not to help the plotters, and the coup plans stalled. But the Trump administration’s willingness to meet several times with mutinous officers intent on toppling a president in the hemisphere could backfire politically.egion, said Mari Carmen Aponte, who served as the top diplomat overseeing Latin American affairs in the final months of the Obama administration.
Nothing like backing terrorists, drug traffickers, and other unsavory characters to support a regime change more to our liking.
Well, at least they backed down.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
So some administration officials talked with some Venezuelian officials who want to get rid of the crazy marxist dictator, but when they found out who they were and what their plan is, they said “sorry, no can do”. So what’s the problem?
America fighting (and badly losing) so many wars,venuzuela,like iraq,Afghanistan,Yemen,gettin kicked bitched slapped in syria by ….wait fer it the iran lol,makin a complete mess in libya then runnin away,and that just the wars we know off.Trillion dollar MIC that can’t win…..at anything..it is what it is!
Which wars has America lost?
define won and lost
Maduro is a crazed leftist.
Here are a few pointers about mistakes Maduro made to other leftists around the world so they do not repeat these:
1.
Forcing companies to produce and sell products at a loss.
This will soon lead to NO products in the shops.
2.
Confiscating factories and companies from entrepreneurs.
This will lead to incompetent political hacks running said factories and companies and lead to NO products in the shops.
3.
Putting incompetent political hacks to run the national oil company.
This will lead to production crashing and soon to no oil and no gas being available.
4.
Using currency reserves to support your own currency by selling said currency reserves and buying your own currency.
Hopeless and stupid when you do 1,2,3.
5.
Telling hospitals that no drugs can be bought from Abroad because you used up almost all of your currency reserves doing 4.
Leaves kids and other who are sick dying.
6.
Having an official exchange rate and black market exchange rate for your currency that is several times different is stupid and waste of the few currency reserves you have.
However that is convenient to make multimillionaires or billionaires out of those who are part of your corrupt leadership circle who are given access to this official exchange rate to get rich while getting the local currency from the black market exchange rate at 90% discount
7.
Having policies where you just confiscated materials and products from companies to build your non-working voters houses and give your non-working voters food and supplies because sooner or later the companies realize there is no point in producing anything because you are going to confiscate it anyway if they haven’t already gone bankrupct from the confiscations.
Your non-working voters will still be screaming for handouts when you have crashed the economy and since they are no longer anything to give they will start robbing people since you conditioned them to getting something for nothing.
8.
Having a Spanish educated Spanish marxist-economist guy plan your whole economic policy for you around the principle that if things fail it is because there was not enough marxism, not enough communism and evil capitalists are responsible for all your problems because they wanted to sabotage you (since they did not continue to produce things and products for you to confiscate) means the guy is the most stupidest and incompetent economist in the world or he is a CIA plant intended to fail you by telling you only crazy things and getting you to actually do those crazy things because you Maduro are incompetent and uneducated and you have hid this by surrounding yourself with Venezuelan “elite” that are also incompetent and uneducated with their only skill being cheering your “brilliance”.
Maduro is like Hitler in a bunker, The only problem is that Maduro’s bunker is whole Venezuela.
If Trump would have participated in a coup in Venezuela that would have killed Maduro and 100 of his closest corrupt cronies that would have been a good thing because Maduro has killed and caused the deaths of MORE people than Assad by now.
Assad only kills ISIS and Al-Qaida and their supporters like extremist sunni-muslims that want to butcher all christians, yazidis and alawites (branch of Shias) until there is only Sunnis in Syria.
Maduro kills innocent kids like FLIES because there are no longer any medicines in Venezuela because Maduro REFUSES to import drugs with currency because he wants to save all the remaining currency reserves for CORRUPTION.
Also Maduro has lots of political prisoners and has executed lots of people just for being part of opposition and Maduro enabled thugs are robbing and killing the half of Venezuela who has anything and who could Rebuild Venezuela if Maduro was just removed.
Well, that was a very passionate tirade. I’m guessing you’re pro-coup with the drug trafficker guy, and trump let you down again?
LOL. And you think Maduro has his nose clean? If you were living in Venezuela, you’d be better taking your pay in cocaine than the Bolivar too. It’s easy to be anti-drug when the value of your paycheck doesn’t go down by half in one week.
The OP is exactly right. I talked to a woman down there who said her father had a stent place and wanted to get Plavix. I suggested she get aspirin as it works almost as well. She said they haven’t had aspirin in years.
I know personally a 21 year old died of cellutlitis, an easily treated infection, because the hospital had no antibiotics.
Every day, people are eating out of the garbage. The oil infrastructure is falling apart. Explosions are happening killing workers all the time.
School children were told to pray to Jesus for ice cream, and it didn’t come. The next day, they prayed to Hugo Chavez and got ice cream. They were showed to have more faith in Chavez than Jesus.
Bottom line is you need to save your anti-Trump rhetoric on this issue. People are suffering, and something needs to be done about it. This may or may not have been the answer, but if you give one damn about humanity, doing nothing is the worst option there is.
This isn’t a fake crisis. If anything, the horrors of Venezuela are being under reported.
It’s amazing how everything is red v. blue on every issue. The red guys say look at how bad Venezuela and socialism are and Bernie Sanders praised Chavez. Some socialist countries even some dictatorships have actually served their people well.
The blue guys are like Trump is getting together with druggies and terrorists to take over the country as if they aren’t druggies and terrorists in control right now.
The OP said killing Maduro and his top 100 cronies would do the trick. I don’t buy it. The issue is way deeper than that. There is no respect for property rights and rule of law. It is that cultural issue that is the root of the problem. Until that is solved, Venezuela is going to be poor despite having more oil than any other country in the world.
There was property rights and rule of law in Venezuela before Chavez won.
After Chavez won property rights and rule of law were destroyed bit by bit.
After Chavez kicked the bucket and installed his most fervent follower Maduro as leader of Venezuela things have escalated because Maduro is even crazier and stupider than Chavez.
People lose their country little by little at first and then all at once.
If USA must have a military intervention it should be Venezuela and every member of Maduro’s marxist-communist-cronyist elite should be put to trial similar to Nurnberg trials and there should be death sentences or life in prison without parole sentences for Maduro and his 100 closest cronies.
I hope Venezuelan people are saved either by military intervention by USA or Venezuelans themselves doing a Ceausescu to Maduro and his 100 cronies.
“Here are a few pointers about mistakes Maduro made to other leftists around the world so they do not repeat these”
Those “mistakes” are the playbook of Socialists. If the Left waivered from that path they’d no longer be the Left.
These foreign intervention typically work out well. Look at how well our support of Islamic extremists in Afghanistan in the 80’s worked out. We repelled the evil dastardly Russians who were trying to stabilize the govt in Afghanistan so they wouldn’t be overrun by islamic extremists. Worked out fabulously, teaming up with Osama bin Ladin. Most of our current problems in the middle east wouldn’t be there now if we had kept out. Ditto ad infinitum. Long live the military industrial complex.
If the soviet-Russians would have been allowed to keep control of Afghanistan without USA giving support to Osama Bin Laden and other islamic extremists and islamic terrorists then the Russians would have probably killed Osama Bin Laden sooner or later in the 1980’s leading to NO 9/11, NO Al-Qaida etc.
9/11 had to do with Desert Storm, after which the U.S. government set up shop in Osama’s holy land as an open ended base.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was the mastermind of 9/11, which was a follow up to the 1993 attack. Even if Osama had been killed by the Russians, it may not have precluded the 9/11 attack from occurring.
A good point I forgot. Will never know.
Exactly
Meeting with coup plotters is a good idea for intelligence gathering purposes. As they didn’t support a coup, there is no wrongdoing.
riigggghhhhhttttt
On the face of it, this sounds like yet another horrors-of-dihydrogen-monoxide story.
Someone who works for the American government met at some time with people, some of whom may or may not have been making plans to actively or passively change the Venezuelan government. And, wonder of wonders, some of the V people may be “unsavory characters”. (Which, if we were to take American media at face value, would accurately describe pretty much everyone living in or near Washington DC.)
Let me just clutch at my pearls and note that America’s top political officer, his identity uncovered and identified by tenacious, crusading journalists, recently met with an “unsavory character” from a secretive, back-alley lair north west of Japan.
At least NYT’s reporter just caused this guy “He is on the American government’s own sanctions list of corrupt officials in Venezuela.” to be known to Maduro after the NYT article so he will be imprisoned and tortured by Maduro to give up the names of other coup planners in 1.2.3… if he is still in Venezuela.