Trump Says It ‘May Be Necessary’ to Extend Obamacare Subsidies

Trump rejected a one-year deal. Any guesses for how long now?

Big I Told You So

Well guess what. After refusing a one-year extension deal, Trump may agree to a multi-year extension.

Please note Trump says it ‘may be necessary’ to extend Obamacare subsidies that fueled shutdown

President Donald Trump now says extending Affordable Care Act subsidies “may be necessary” as the enrollment deadline looms for millions of Americans who are set to see their premiums skyrocket in the new year.

“Somebody said I want to extend it for two years. I don’t want to extend it for two years. I’d rather not extend them at all,” Trump told reporters on Air Force One on Tuesday night, pushing back on reports that the White House was going to pitch a plan that would have included a two-year extension of the subsidies.

Trump, though, notably went on to say “some kind of an extension may be necessary to get something else done because the unaffordable care act has been a disaster. It’s a disaster.”

Am I going to guarantee a vote on ACA unreformed COVID-era subsidies that is just a boondoggle to insurance companies and robs the taxpayer? We got a lot of work to do on that,” Johnson said in mid-November. “We, the Republicans, would demand a lot of reforms before anything like that was ever possible. And we have to go through that deliberative process.”

Some vulnerable Republicans, though, have pushed Johnson to hold a vote on the issue.

A poll from KFF taken right before the federal government shutdown began showed 78% of Americans said they want the ACA marketplace tax credits extended — including 59% of Republicans.

The clock is ticking for a solution for the estimated 22 million ACA enrollees currently receiving a tax credit to lower monthly premiums. December 15 is the deadline for Americans to sign up for or change a plan that begins coverage on Jan. 1. The last day to enroll is marketplace health plans for 2026 is Jan. 15.

Trump, on Air Force One on Tuesday, was pressed further on when he will unveil his health care plan and what may be included.

“Well, we’re looking at different alternatives. I mean, I like my plan the best,” Trump said before going on to repeat his idea to pay Americans directly to spend on health care.

“Don’t give any money to the insurance companies, give it to the people directly. Let ’em go out, buy their own healthcare plan. And we’re looking at that, if, if that can work. We’re looking at that. That’s sort of taken off. That’s what I like,” Trump said on Tuesday.

Trump Embraces Universal Basic Income

Trump on Truth Social: I am recommending to Senate Republicans that the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars currently being sent to money sucking Insurance Companies in order to save the bad Healthcare provided by ObamaCare, BE SENT DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE THEIR OWN, MUCH BETTER, HEALTHCARE, and have money left over. In other words, take from the BIG, BAD Insurance Companies, give it to the people, and terminate, per Dollar spent, the worst Healthcare anywhere in the World, ObamaCare. Unrelated, we must still terminate the Filibuster!

Obamacare Q&A of the Day

Q: Is there any time to fix Obamacare to Johnson’s satisfaction by December 15?
A: No

Q: Johnson says he won’t hold a vote. What’s gonna happen?
A: If Johnson does not agree to hold a vote, all the Democrats and a handful of Republicans will force a vote by means of discharge petition. This is the same setup as the Epstein forced vote.

Q: What then?
A: It’s precisely hard to say, but Republicans will be scrambling. It’s entirely possible to see a multi-year extension plus extra goodies to buy Republican votes.

Q: What does Trump want?
A: Free money. UBI

Q: Wouldn’t that be worse?
A: Of course, the spigot would never stop.

Q: Could anyone have possibly predicted this turn of events?
A: Absolutely not. Oh … wait a second.

Flashback November 7, 2025 MishTalk Democrats Offer a One-Year Obamacare Extension Deal. Should Republicans Accept?

Republicans would be crazy not to accept this offer. It’s just one year. And they can block further extensions easily.

Accepting a one-year extension that Democrats proposed would have cost $35 billion.

Sending money directly to the people is the start of Universal Basic Income (UBI). Once UBI starts neither party will be able to stop it.

We may easily get UBI (that trump wants along with Elizabeth Warren, AOC and others) plus an Obamacare extension.

Any guesses what the outcome of this new deal will cost?

Other Affordability News

November 26, 2025: The Senate Debates Car Affordability. I Have a Good Suggestion

Republicans debate safety features. OK, but let’s get basic.

Neither Republicans nor Democrats will do anything about affordability.

Affordability issues are primarily due to cheapening the dollar via excessive spending. Absurd tariffs add more pain.

Ignoring the obvious, Senator Cruz will hold Congressional hearings on auto safety.

Twisted Logic Addendum

Trump says the “unaffordable care act has been a disaster ” that it “may be necessary” to extend it.

Thanks! I made a note to add that to my book of twisted government logic if and when I get to writing it.

Reader: So someone tell me how providing cash directly to consumers to buy insurance is better than the government paying the insurance companies? Is the thought that the average American is a better deal maker than President Trump?

Mish: I already did – multiple times – you can’t read

  1. Money is fungible
  2. This is the start of UBI
  3. We are taxing people to redistribute the income.
  4. It will never stop because things will never be affordable

How about we get government out of the affordable health care business, out of the affordable education business, and out of the affordable housing business instead of collecting money and redistributing it for ill conceived and costly pet projects.

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val
23 days ago

Obamacare subsidies are based on modified AGI. Trump deems it necessary for the average middle class tax payer to subsidize ‘extended’ Obamacare for his affluent self-employed buddies, whose higher incomes didn’t qualify for the previous ACA subsidy. Trump’s cohorts, with hefty home office expenses, and pricy automobiles, all deducted using accelerated tax schedules, have taken advantage of ‘extended’ Obamacare for their gold plan subsidies.

Webej
Webej
23 days ago

Obviously no affordability problem can be solved with more money, you need to fix the cost side, which is a matter of incentives.

Only the doctor and you are parties to any trade, cash onlyEnforce existing anti-racketeering law, post tariffs, like price for like goods
Yes, it will gut the whole medical pharma complex. It needs it.
You can only get there by orderly measures, or get there by catastrophe.

Last edited 23 days ago by Webej
Dave Smith
Dave Smith
23 days ago

Trump is promoting more socialism, just what the house condemned; we need to jettison any and every form of federally provided healthcare. It is unconstitutional and SCOTUS had to pervert its interpretation to allow Obamacare to survive.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago

Maybe for the first time ever I agree with something trump said. The affordable care act is a disaster.
When will America finally come to it’s senses and catch up with the rest of the industrialized world and adopt single payer or better yet national healthcare, free for all legal residents and citizens.

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

The insurance companies and politicians make gobs of money from the health insurance system as it is structured today. Why would they want to change anything?

pokercat
pokercat
22 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

One name:
Luigi Mangione

Jojo
Jojo
22 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

Just a single loss. You didn’t see any follow-up killings. And all the CEO’s now have better security. So a small sacrifice for the greater security of everyone else.

pokercat
pokercat
21 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Maybe it’s just started. The drone that takes out the next CEO will also take out his high paid security detail. Or it may come through the window on his 50th floor office.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
23 days ago

Get the money out of politics also contributions dark money and lobbyist. . Read an article about state nullifying corporation campaign finance

Anyone know how much the turkey had to pay trump for his pardon.

Portlander
Portlander
23 days ago

Remember, the subsidies help Red States more than Blue, particularly those States that didn’t extend Medicaid.

A one-year extension would put another extension re-vote to just before the midterms. That’s the kind of trap Karl Rove laid for Democrats for years. So, Trump is right to speak of a multi-year extension (minimum of two years).

Every House member in a marginally safe seat will vote for extending the subsidies as a matter of political survival. Remember that “affordability” is the zeitgeist. Senate Republicans, of course, will follow suit. They won’t filibuster because it would doom their House colleagues in 2026.

So, if a vote is held, the subsidies will be extended for two years or more. Trump has done the political math. He’s giving Johnson a face-saving “out” to hold a vote. He would be dumb not to take it (I won’t make any bets riding on his smarts!).

Hmk
Hmk
23 days ago

Eventually the corrupt incompetent parasites will fix our FUBB health system with single-payer. Seriously all this is useless bullshit and theater.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago

I’m glad I am on Medicare!

Flavia
Flavia
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Lol – me too.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Me too, it only costs my wife and I a little over $12K a year with deductible, and insurance to cover the 20% Medicare doesn’t cover. That’s without “out of pocket” for dental and vision care.
If you are under 65 don’t get the idea Medicare is free.

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

A Medigap plan on top of straight Medicare could reduce that $12k cost significantly. But you would had to have signed onto one when you first started Medicare, to avoid having pre-existing conditions factored in.

See: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-the-medicare-plan-a-deducti-C.7jq1cETZKT.1GzWe6OBw#1

Next year, I’ll be paying about $2200 extra on top of Medicare for a Medigap Plan N. But that covers the $1600 or so Medicare Plan A cost for any in-patient hospitalization (could be incurred multiple times in a year because based on “benefit periods”) and $zero for any Plan B costs, such as the 20% that Medicare doesn’t cover. My ONLY out-of-pocket costs are the Part B annual deductible $20 copay for office visits and a $50 ER charge.

As I noted above, without the Medigap plan, I would have been responsible for $2400 for the nose surgery that Medicare doesn’t pay, so with just one operation, I am ahead weighing my annual Medigap costs vs. the 20% Medicare exposure..

And I have a likely should repair operation coming up. I might have done that next month but it looks like it is going to have to roll into 2025.

pokercat
pokercat
22 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Idiot that $12K figure includes our medigap policy.

Jojo
Jojo
22 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

You did not state that! Sheese.

AP Hill
AP Hill
24 days ago

Thank you Mark Burnett — the IRL Trump unfortunately is a megalomaniac abject moron, who surrounds himself with good looking mid wit sycophants. So we get a 100,000 ft² faux gilded ballroom dwarfing the White House and healthcare that is killing us. I guess this is what we’re supposed to call more winning.

Last edited 24 days ago by AP Hill
Laura
Laura
24 days ago

Get rid of ALL Obamacare subsidies. Increase the amount of tax free Health Savings Accounts to encourage responsible people to save for their health care expenses.

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  Laura

Don’t be dumb. Do you have any idea how much a heart operation costs? It’s in the 7 figure and up range. No individual and their puny HSA could pay for such an operation!

I had a nose operation earlier this year. Total charges were over $100k. Medicare paid like $12k. My out-of-pocket was $0. I bet no individual could have negotiated a deal like this.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

I disagree. I bet a lot of people could negotiate nose surgery for 12K or less.

If they couldn’t then nose doctors will be collecting unemployment before long because they won’t be working at all.

HSA is meant for every day care, not emergencies.

Think about car insurance. You don’t use your car insurance to get oil changes or minor maintenance (brakes done, alignments etc). You use car insurance ONLY for accidents. You shop around and pay for the rest of the things for your car. That’s how health care should be. Insurance should only be for things like emergency care (heart attack, cancer, major life threatening injuries). Everything else you should be paying for yourself (minor sprains/broken bones, cold/flu, meds for being over weight etc).

Last edited 23 days ago by TexasTim65
Flavia
Flavia
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

That’s basically how it used to be, before managed care came along in the 90’s.

InMyRoom
InMyRoom
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Shopping for the best price isn’t going to be an option when you are having a heart attack or your kid breaks their arm.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
23 days ago
Reply to  InMyRoom

As I said, health insurance should be for emergencies only like Heart Attacks.

If your kid breaks his arm that’s something you can price. These days it takes less than a minute to google a price for anything. You’d easily be able to price a broken arm.

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Seriously dude. Stop posting on this subject. You honestly don’t know what you are talking about.

Do you have any idea how much MRI’s, CT scans, EKG’s ECG’s ZIO studies, cardiologist fees and much more cost before you go under the knife for a heart operation? Sheese. I hope you never have to find out.

JCH1952
JCH1952
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

“The cost to fix a broken arm in the U.S. without insurance can range from about $900 to $1,800 for non-surgical treatment and $17,150 to over $31,000 for surgical intervention. The final price varies significantly based on the severity of the break, location, and whether surgery is required. Factors like emergency room fees, diagnostic tests (e.g., X-rays), casting, physical therapy, and post-treatment follow-ups all contribute to the total cost.” – Google

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Your full of crap and don’t know what you are talking about!

I got the surgery report for this operation. It was something like 23 pages long, documenting every single thing done and drugs given me. I worked in sales for much of my life and I am confident that I couldn’t negotiate a deal like that with all the factors in the report that could be seen as separate charges and put on the table by the hospital establishment.

And the nose operation wasn’t an emergency. It was just a regular operation to reduce too large turbinate tissue, collapsing internal structure and a deviated septum making it difficult to breath through my nose. Happens to many people as they get older. I had first tried to get the turbinate tissue reduced via RF energy at a cost of many thousands of $$ to medicare but it didn’t work, so had to go with a full operation.

Without a Medigap plan, I would have had to pay $2400 out of my pocket as straight Medicare only covers 80%.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

I recently shopped around for some dental work, the price was within a couple of dollars at every local dentist. None would negotiate even for cash, no cash discount just a 3% up-charge if using a credit card.

Jojo
Jojo
22 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

Go to Mexico.

Supposedly, I hear that crowns cost $200-$300 each. In my area, a crown cost $1200-$3000!

A 3-D dental printer can print a crown for maybe $100 or less, including the fee for the person who runs the printer.

Dentists should be prosecuted under antitrust laws.

Last edited 22 days ago by Jojo
pokercat
pokercat
21 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Agreed but we’re a long way from Mexico.

Laura
Laura
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

I didn’t state they shouldn’t have insurance. If they had more money in HSA accounts they have a higher deductible and pay less insurance premium.

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  Laura

Most people are already facing $7-10k deductibles, which is why many don’t even use their health insurance for preventative care, becaus ethey can’t afford the co-pays and deductibles they would incur for most problems.

Laura
Laura
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Obamacare requires that many preventive care items are FREE. No deductibles, no copays, no co-insurance (i.e. annual physicals, labs for annual physicals, mammograms and pap smears.

Jojo
Jojo
22 days ago
Reply to  Laura

What I meant by preventative was I have a pain here and I want to get it checked out, possibly discovering and preventing an exacerbation later on as opposed to the limited list of “preventative” items covered by the ACA.

These items often incur copays and your deductible applies, which can turn a simple exam and a blood test or MRI scan into a multiple thousand $$ expense.

JeffD
JeffD
24 days ago

Without subsidies on everything, prices would fall on everything.

PS Trump just wants to give “direct” money to everyone to goose the stock market. His proposal was to dump money in HSA plans.

Last edited 24 days ago by JeffD
njbr
njbr
24 days ago

His is a life of empty promises to others

He sells the sizzle and eats the steak

Art
Art
23 days ago
Reply to  njbr

His superpower is – he can convince people he is more intelligent than he actually is.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
24 days ago

It’s all one big joke isn’t it. Let’s recap, Trump was inaugurated on January 20, 2017, and his presidency ended on January 20, 2021.

What happened to fixing Obamacare during this four year period? Think on it…

What happened during the period from 2021-2024 where Trump was scheming to get back in office? Where was the development of a health care plan for Americans?

Trump was inaugurated again on January 20, 2025, a full 10+ months ago now…where is the development of a health care plan?

So now the “solution” is to extend Obamacare another year or two or forever…..

Elect clowns to office, get entertained by the circus but then go home sick and hungry because now you’re back to daily reality.

Got exit strategy?

P.S. – Watch Trump’s presidency come and go and you’re still paying more and more for health insurance. But if the only thing Trump has is Obama’s plan then Obama was a far better president than Trump will ever be….think on that.

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Just 3 years and 7 weeks to go!

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

We will not last that long.
86/47
25th, impeach or god whatever works.

PapaDave
PapaDave
23 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

First good comment in this thread MPO.

After a decade of talking about their better health care plan; there is still no plan. There never was a plan. And there never will be a plan. Yet there are dumb f*cks who still think Trump has a health care plan to make their lives better. It’s hilarious!

JCH1952
JCH1952
23 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

We’ve known the Republican plan for decades. They want catastrophic health insurance policies with prohibitively high deductibles that do not cover pre-existing conditions and do not cover most catastrophes. A return to the days when the town barber was also the town doctor.

Last edited 23 days ago by JCH1952
Cocoa
Cocoa
24 days ago

I just got a notice saying my bill doubled to 550 bucks a month for just me.
Like most insurance, it’s a racket where you pay the most to get the least. Add that to all the insurance I need for liability, housing and cars and it’s probably 50% of my cost a year-vaporized and put to no good use. Nobody wants to use it either because costs go up! what kind of crummy business is that? You pay a ton of money for something you really don’t want to use ever and if you do use it oh they increase your cost.
This country is such a piece of garbage

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  Cocoa

Hey! I pay almost $400/month for Medicare. But I do have a secondary Medigap plan,so my out of pocket costs for any service or operation is $0.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
23 days ago
Reply to  Cocoa

Stop paying then and self-insure by paying cash for health care when you need it. At 550 a month you’ll save 6600 a year. Do you really use that much health care a year?

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Just don’t need any surgery.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  Cocoa

All of American corporations are a scam, racket or simply a ripoff. As a final FU to all humans, led by corporations, AI will eliminate us.

Webej
Webej
23 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

That most American of inventions: the Con(fidence) man !

Triple B
Triple B
24 days ago

The man does nothing but stir up crap and then try and clean up the mess. No original thoughts, just a bunch of things that he thinks his base will like to continue grifting from the public funds.

Bo Cho
Bo Cho
23 days ago
Reply to  Triple B

So then why do you subscribe to and read his emails?

steve
steve
24 days ago

Trump has the right idea.

Bo Cho
Bo Cho
23 days ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Says Mish, lover of all things liberal and has such disdain for all the criminals off our streets and other such accomplishments.
Biden is still wondering why the D’s lost.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
24 days ago

Amend the FED’s charter to create any new money for the retail discount and UBI as Gifts of money not necessarily as Debt…ending the bitch that the interest attending money creation is unsurvivable…even though that interest is a payment to the private sector…that is distributed almost entirely to those who don’t need their pockets additionally lined, but instead is universally directly distributed. Ah, the power of changing a single operant applied concept.

Last edited 24 days ago by The Window Cleaner
Lefteris
Lefteris
24 days ago

Ah, it’s that time to throw in a UFO story in the media again.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
24 days ago

How Xi Played TrumpBeijing Gambled and Is Now Reaping the Rewards
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/how-xi-played-trump

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
24 days ago

“Any guesses what the outcome of this new deal will cost?”

A lot less than it does now if you do both the 50% Discount/Rebate at retail sale AND a UBI…and then allow 2% per annum price increases so the discount is permanently 52%. Then if anyone raises their prices more you
1) tax any revenue they may (or may not) get from such increase by at least 100%
2) you index the discount to an honest analysis of the monthly inflation rate so if inflation is 5% you make the discount 57% for that month and 3) you create the new Dept of Competition, Innovation and the Individual’s Bully Pulpit which holds weekly press conferences and points the finger at CEO’s who try to game the system and ask Mr. and Mrs. America: “What are you going to do about that?”

Last edited 24 days ago by The Window Cleaner
Riverbender
Riverbender
24 days ago

The “Affordable Care Act” turned out to be not so affordable didn’t it?
My suggestion is to close down those ERs to foreigners seeking to see the Doctor and watch hospital costs drop. Meanwhile shut off the Care Act to the foreigners as well. They can get their health care taken care of in their home countries where things like universal health care are common. The USA should not be the free health care provider to the world despite what the liberal types think.

Neil
Neil
24 days ago
Reply to  Riverbender

Noone thinks the USA is a free health care provider. At the contrary most people see it as an extortionist and very reluctant health care provider that somehow cannot provide basic needs to all citizens while paying the most per capita by a large margin. The solution of course is obvious; copy what other western countries are doing and watch costs drop. But that wont happen, because ideology is more important than results.

Riverbender
Riverbender
24 days ago
Reply to  Neil

 “cannot provide basic needs to all citizens”
Well, per my original post, you will note that I mentioned the foreigners. There is an old saying “charity begins at home” that easily applies to today. We can not afford to be the health care provider to the world and, as I pointed out, the outsiders home countries have universal health care coverage so they should simply go back home to get their health care.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
23 days ago
Reply to  Neil

My thoughts i believe aca does not cover illegals. But Anyone who shows up at the emergency room can get care. Thank regain by the way. Anyone who gets care can negotiate their bill lower. Hospitals shift that burden to the ins companies.
Drug makers charge more in the wealthy us so they can make meds cheaper for poorer nations.
Lobbyist get to write the laws for congress if i recall correctly congress got rid of that department years ago.
The question is how do you pull the rug out from under the industry without leaving the average citizen in the lurch.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  Neil

Ideology and the AMA. Wonder why right wingers never complain about the DR’s union the AMA?

David
David
24 days ago
Reply to  Riverbender

While I agree with your last sentence all that before it is just a combination of not living in the real world and just heartless. At best.
I want your face to be on the law that says someone in terrible pain or near death that comes into an ER in an ambulance gets sent somewhere to suffer then die.
I want your face on that law, please do it.
Now if we would police our borders like every other country in the world does there would not be all these illegals in the ER in the first place.
But helping anyone in need is one thing that makes America a country better than all others.
I personally talked with an illegal 64 year old mexican man and says in Mexico if you cannot pay enough to the hospital, they tell you to leave and will forcibly remove you.
So thats what you want? To be like Mexico, a narco state.
Got it.
I’m waiting for the photo.

Last edited 24 days ago by David
Riverbender
Riverbender
24 days ago
Reply to  David

On my last trip to Mexico they had two types of hospitals. One was a government hospital for those that have no insurance and other private hospitals for those that do have insurance. Have things changed? By the way when how about you standing outside the ER billing departments and pay the bills of these foreigners seeking free health care. When you do then ask me for a photo

David
David
23 days ago
Reply to  Riverbender

My point was for the truly sick and in obvious pain, are we not going to treat them?
You have to help people in need. That’s my point

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  David

Now if we would police our borders like every other country in the world does there would not be all these illegals in the ER in the first place.”

Like say, Britain and the EU? [lol]

JCH1952
JCH1952
24 days ago
Reply to  Riverbender

Yes, after conservatives screwed it up. Also, versus what? Obama did not say it would be cheaper. He said it would bend down the upward trend in healthcare costs at that time, and then conservatives screwed it up. So Trump has no improvement to screwed-up Obamacare. Because of his irrational phobia of Socialism, which he does not understand at any level at all.

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  Riverbender

And don’t forget the SOylent Green tanks!

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
24 days ago

Baaaahahahaha! His concept of a plan was Obamacare on steroids! Oh piggies, you got pwned!

David
David
24 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

All you do is criticize anything Trump does.
First of all, he inherited Obamacare. What he is trying to do now that “obamacare” is still in place is to ease the financial and perhaps medical pain that is going to be caused to millions of people.
If Trump cut it completely you would post something about how heartless he is .
You can’t win with people like you.
You dont have TDS . You have Trump psychotic syndrome.
Good Lord man get a fucking life

JCH1952
JCH1952
24 days ago
Reply to  David

Bologna.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
23 days ago
Reply to  David

So you’re for Obama care on steroids?

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
24 days ago
Jon
Jon
24 days ago

So someone tell me how providing cash directly to consumers to buy insurance is better than the government paying the insurance companies? Is the thought that the average American is a better deal maker than President Trump?

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
24 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Decentralizing decision-making reduces the ROI of corruption efforts that target centralized decision makers. It makes suppliers work to cater to 300m buyers. Say no to monopsony.

Last edited 24 days ago by Ed Homonym
Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  Ed Homonym

Or corruption efforts become unnecessary as profits can be gained by pure control of the market.

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
24 days ago
Reply to  Jon

The easiest way to control the market is by controlling the politicians and the laws. So, that’s the first thing to address.

But we must restore enforcement of the Sherman Antitrust Act as well. It addresses your concern.

Last edited 24 days ago by Ed Homonym
Sentient
Sentient
24 days ago
Reply to  Ed Homonym

Since that will never happen, things will get worse until out of sheer anger and frustration, Single Payer is enacted and the insurance companies are put out of business.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Sad that I have to keep repeating that the ONLY solution is for humans to be governed by an AI and for robot workers to do all the work we need done.

Anyone should be able to see from our history that politicians and those in power will always be corrupt.

Politicians first priory will be to those who fund them through campaign donations. This is human nature. There is no way to end this or control it as long as humans are in charge, regardless of the amount of laws that one passes.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Do you realize that ASI will see humans as pests and eliminate us? It’s the ONLY logical outcome. Humans will not control AGI, AGI will create ASI. ASI will see humans as useless eaters.
Unless the effort to accomplish AGI is stopped and AI is narrowly focused on single tasks, there is a overwhelming probability that humanity will be eliminated in the very near future.
So say many AI experts.

Jojo
Jojo
23 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

Maybe, maybe not. You pays your money and you takes your chances…

Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
24 days ago
Reply to  Jon

And the more closely you look at some monopolies seemingly outside regime controls, the more you see connections.

It’s hard to understand the swamp when there’s so much of it.

Anthony
Anthony
24 days ago
Reply to  Ed Homonym

bad idea. people will use it for other things, and then they’ll still show up to ERs for medical care.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
24 days ago
Reply to  Anthony

You won’t be able to spent it on other things. HSA accounts already work like this.

Dan W.
Dan W.
24 days ago
Reply to  Ed Homonym

Giving money to consumers to purchase a cartel controlled product simply ensures the price of the product increases and the cartel captures more dollars.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  Dan W.

Yep, look at the cost of American colleges and universities after student loans became nonchargeable in bankruptcy.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

How about we untangle health insurance from being an employee?

BAN company provided health insurance. If that can’t be done, then remove the tax breaks that companies get to provide it or tax companies at 2x, 5x or 10x the value of any such insurance that they continue to provide.

Once everyone has to secure their own health insurance, whether they are a worker or not, politicians will have to accept single-payer healthcare for the masses, like we oldsters get through Medicare.

Jojo
Jojo
22 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Hey downvote! You don’t like this idea? Why?

Jon
Jon
23 days ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Yes, but that option isn’t on the table.

JCH1952
JCH1952
24 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Unless they come up with catastrophic health insurance policies that do not cover pre-existing conditions and do not cover most healthcare catastrophes experienced by human beings, it is not better. (That’s the only Republican health plan ever actually seen in sunlight).

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
24 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Let me ask you this question.

Who spends your money better, you or the government?

Pretty sure 95% or more people would say they would spend their own money better (more efficiently) than the government. The reason is when it’s yours you shop around on prices. Government doesn’t care because it’s not their money.

Put another way, would you like the government to also negotiate your next car price? home/apartment price?

Last edited 24 days ago by TexasTim65
Ed Homonym
Ed Homonym
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

I keep trying to tell people that there’s a win-win improvement for everyone by decentralizing decision-making while maintaining subsidies for people via a UBI.

Nothing but downvotes.

People on the right seem to prefer all the government interference and ginormous bureaucracy over the simplicity of a UBI.

People on the left seem to prefer fascism (cartel-government partnerships) over the freedom of deciding for themselves how to spend their income.

I’m so sick of stupid.

Jon
Jon
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Obamacare already allows you to shop based on price. That’s why its called a marketplace. So you’re not really answering the question. How is my paying the insurance company directly better than the government paying? Trump’s initiative isn’t changing anything about Obamacare, just who writes the check.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
24 days ago

When China invades Taiwan next year; unemployment will fall because of a draft, healthcare will be performed at M*A*S*H units, and hunger will be cured with MRE’s (Meals Ready to Eat). I don’t propose war as a solution to social problems; instead, people should strive for personal responsibility and moderation to avoid getting themselves (and collectively as a nation) in bad situations.

Sentient
Sentient
24 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

There won’t be a draft.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
24 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Correct. If China invades Taiwan it will all be over in under 48 hrs.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Unless Taiwan has developed bioweapons and is ready to unleash them on Beijing? Nukes aren’t real danger in today’s world.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

I don’t think so. I do think hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of drones will fill the skies over Taiwan and China too.

Name
Name
24 days ago

looks like the repeal of the fraudulent care act is on hold or something else

Stu
Stu
24 days ago

– Ignoring the obvious, Senator Cruz will hold Congressional hearings on auto safety.
> It would appear as though they are just making it look like they are doing something, but in reality nothing is being done…

klaus
klaus
24 days ago

More complaining about everything. Just look at folks. Obesity is at 75%.

Stu
Stu
24 days ago
Reply to  klaus

Once they tighten up the food programs (Schools Included), to ONLY people that actually need it, and ONLY proper food for health, and well being, I suspect this number will be cut in half in no time at all. Weight sheds quickly when only healthy food is consumed.

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  Stu

So how do you get the food industry to stop providing cash to Congressmen and Senators?

Stu
Stu
24 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Vote OUT the ones taking the money, if for nefarious reasons, and Vote IN new ones that won’t take their money.
Unless laws are passed to say otherwise, not too many options…

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Stop all donations (bribes) to anyone seeking federal public office with severe penalties.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
24 days ago
Reply to  klaus

“More complaining about everything.”
Selfawarewolf?

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  klaus

Approximately 40% of American adults are classified as obese based on the traditional Body Mass Index (BMI) definition, though a recent study suggests this could be closer to 70% under a new, expanded definition. Some sources indicate a recent slight decrease in the obesity rate, while others point to an increase in severe obesity

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