Trump’s executive order instructs the Departments of Defense to prepare a 30,000 person migrant facility at Guantanamo Bay.
Hello Guantanamo Bay
Please note Trump Says Will Use Guantanamo Bay To Detain Illegal Migrants
US President Donald Trump said Wednesday he planned to detain “criminal illegal aliens” at the notorious Guantanamo Bay military prison, used for holding terrorism suspects since the 9/11 attacks.
Trump made the shock announcement as he signed a bill allowing the pre-trial detention of undocumented migrants charged with theft and violent crime — named after a US student killed by a Venezuelan immigrant.
He said he was signing an executive order instructing the Pentagon and the Homeland Security department to “begin preparing the 30,000-person migrant facility at Guantanamo Bay,” Trump said at the White House.
“We have 30,000 beds in Guantanamo to detain the worst criminal illegal aliens threatening the American people. Some of them are so bad we don’t even trust the countries to hold them, because we don’t want them coming back,” Trump said.
The Republican said the move would “double our capacity immediately” to hold illegal migrants, amid a huge crackdown that he has promised at the start of his second term.
Calling Guantanamo a “tough place to get out of,” Trump said the measures announced on Wednesday would “bring us one step closer to eradicating the scourge of migrant crime in our communities once and for all.”
It has been used to indefinitely hold detainees, many of whom were never charged with a crime, seized during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and other operations that followed.
At its peak about 800 people were incarcerated at the site on the eastern tip of Cuba. Testimony from detainees documenting their abuse and torture by US security personnel have long prompted domestic and international criticism.
Former Democratic presidents Joe Biden and Barack Obama both pledged to close the facility, but both left office with the prison still open.
Free Torture Too?
Does this executive order come complete with free torture?
Regardless, I fail to see how this action is legal, but legality hardly seems to matter anymore.
We will soon find out on legality because there is sure to be a court challenge to this executive order.
I suspect this EO will be shot down quickly, but we will see what sticks and what doesn’t.
If the courts uphold this action, here’s the upside: Democrats will scramble to cut an immigration deal with Trump, and Trump’s terms will be harder.
This threat, even if it doesn’t stick, will accelerate a movement towards a deal. But does the end justify the means?
Understanding Trump’s Rationale
- Governments will take them back so they don’t rot in a prison in Cuba.
- Force Democrats to the negotiation table quickly.
Medicaid Funding Chaos, Judge Blocks Trump’s Federal Payment Freeze
Yesterday, I noted Medicaid Funding Chaos, Judge Blocks Trump’s Federal Payment Freeze
Trump sought to pause billions of dollars in federal assistance. Payment systems froze.
Today, Trump backed down and rescinded his executive order.
The two-line memo sent just after noon by Matthew J. Vaeth, the acting director of the Office of Management and Budget, said the previous memorandum “is rescinded.
Addendum: What About the US Lease?
Somehow it seem to me that holding illegal immigrants has nothing to do with coaling or naval station.
The lease treaty agreed to from February 16–23, 1903 stipulates that the Republic of Cuba lease to the United States specific lands in Cuba, notably the land that surrounds Guantánamo Bay, for the purpose of coaling and naval stations, for as long as necessary.
The Cuban-American Treaty of Relations of 1934 replaced the Cuban–American Treaty of Relations (1903) in which Cuba committed to: not permit a foreign power to obtain a naval base on the island. not go into excessive debt. grant the US the right to intervene in Cuba for the maintenance of (an adequate) government.
Midnight: Mish you said you were for the deportation of criminals multiple times. Now you don’t like where they are going? Wtf. Once again Get Off My Lawn Energy where you are unhappy with a policy just because.
Me: Me, WTF indeed.
Some of us, well at least one of us, would like to see it done legally.
So let’s see if this is.
I am very much in the minority here. All the hypocrites railed against Biden’s executive orders, now don’t give a damn.
Trump has made at least four questionable Executive Orders along with some very good ones that I have praised. On that, I stand alone.
Yes, Mish, ratcheting up the use of EOs can be dangerous to us all.
If Trump can now use the military on US soil (without a Congressional declaration of war) to carry out the arrest, detainment or deportation of people, what’s to stop the next Democratic President declaring a national public health emergency and ordering the military to confiscate all F-150s and handguns through an EO?
Where does it stop? Why can’t we have Congress create all new regulations and funding initiatives (even if all of it will currently be Republican-friendly). That’s how the rule of law is supposed to work
Because Congress is happy to give it’s power to the President. The art of legislation is lost and not sure how we get it back. I guess we voters need to start demanding legislators do their jobs.
“Calling your Congressman” is a fool’s errand. You are better off identifying what in your life you can actually control and putting your time and energy there. You only get one life; don’t waste it worrying about things you can’t control.
LOL. As if the pathetic donorCRATs will do anything even remotely like that.
Recall that the student debt cancellation EO was crafted by MBNA Joe specifically so the courts could easily shoot it down. Actual left-wingers even warned at that time what would happen and what alternative path that MBNA Joe could have taken if he really wanted to.
Wow After all this , Mish is back on the DNC bandwagon. Unbelievable. Yet it’s true.
Cool. Now extend the policy to all remaining U.S. bases on foreign soil in Europe, like Moron airbase Spain for Latins and Incirlik Nato Turkey for Muslims, etc.Then there’s Australia, Japan, as well as Midway and the 50th state with its numerous islands of romance popular with the west coast Silicon Valley oligarchy etc..Share the ethnic criminal wealth.with more diversity, equity, and inclusion on foreign lands. . .
“Does this executive order come complete with free torture?”
Mish, I follow you to get economic info, not political statements. You are devolving into petty comments like Trump does.
I like what Trump is doing on many fronts.
But, America is really starting to look and feel like the Roman Empire just on the verge of going from republic to dictatorship.
The senate increasing full of plutocratic babbling idiots completely indifferent and out of touch with the populace.
A presidential office deciding to, and being led to take increasingly unilateral power and dictatorship JUST TO KEEP THE COUNTRY IN SOME STABILITY.
All while the rationalization for serving the public just because serving oneself and those who back you in office.
The parallels are there– with arena sports and Powerslap competitions for the masses.
“just on the verge”? We have been going this way since the ink was drying on the Constitution in 1787. The first Bank of the United States, Washington’s reaction to the Whiskey Rebellion, the 16th amendment, the Federal Reserve Act, etc., have all been mile markers on the road to tyranny and serfdom.
Why would this action not be legal?
How is using an area leased for the specific purpose of a coaling station and naval facility being used as a prison? The only persons that should be there are sailors and marines and the only prisoners sailors in the brig.
Don’t get me wrong, I think most of those 30,000 detainees should be executed if they committed rape, murder, torture etc but if they are sentenced to US prisons then it should be a prison on US soil and if they are wanted in another country then send them there. If it is a risk that they might come back then give each of them a legal warning that they are outlaws in the US (outlaws have no protection under the law and can be shot on site by anyone, including shoot to kill, shoot to cause pain, as target practice, lynch them, crucify them, burn them etc).
The Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center has existed and been in use for this same purpose for decades. How do you idiots keep falling for BS?
When will it be understood? The illegal immigration issue, is and always must be a military operation first. An executive branch function.
If you do not believe this, you MUST advocate for a removal of all United States borders. No borders = No citizenship. No states and No passports.
When did being a libertarian mean dissolving th United States?
Your logic is whacked. Do you help write Trump’s EOs?
If illegal immigration is first and foremost always a military operation (as you say), why do we have both a separate Border Patrol agency and ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement)?
You really need to spend some more time out on a sunny river because your brain is getting FRIED from those conspiracy websites you’re visiting
“Criminal illegal” seems redundant. Have we ditched the prioritizing the “violent”?
Regardless, this is a version of the “first they came for…and I said nothing” saying.
We established long ago, not to extend legal rights to terrorists (15 are still there)…
adding “criminal illegal aliens” to that list now…
perhaps “the enemy from within” is next.
Two important distinctions from a decent article “What has changed with immigration under Trump and what is still playing out?“:
“An 1878 law prohibits military involvement in civilian law enforcement, but Trump and his aides have signaled he may invoke wartime powers. Trump said in his order that the Defense Department can assist with detention and transportation.”
“The Biden administration did not use military planes.”
Fact check.
The executive order was not rescinded. They pulled the memo, which was a directive to the department’s to freeze fund distribution. It was a bit confusing, but not that confusing. The left wing media finally found an issue to gnash their teeth over.
Caroline Levitt made it clear during a press gaggle that the EO had not been rescinded.
Apparently facts don’t matter any more.
Does this seem like a win to you somehow?
Congress is in charge of appropriations. So the funding was rescinded by a bureaucrat’s “memo” instead of an EO? And now the memo is gone so we’re back to the original two-page Presidential EO (which still goes against the enumerated powers of Congress).
This affront to the legality of the appropriation process is still a problem for many of us. If the purpose of the EO is such a good idea, why not have Congress (which is on Trump’s side now) change the funding and appropriations when it next convenes?
Guess you never said a single word when Mayorcas pulled funding from building the border wall Trump started.
Outstanding move. An effective disincentive to illegal immigration has been finally deployed.
Cubans know how to keep those ’55 Chevys rolling.
Trump nominated 2 life-long Democrats to key Cabinet positions — Tulsi as DNI and RFK Jr. as HHS Secretary — and those are the two Senate Dems are most determined to destroy:
Tulsi because she questions the US Security State and RFK because he questions Big Pharma and Fauci:
Tulsi because she was raised in a cult becoming mentally defective and RFK Jr because he’s nuts, fixed it for you.
I love RFK. He reminds me of this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAOUlsrmzYM
Trump shouldn’t need any Democrats to confirm his nominees, not sure how the Democrats can destroy either candidate. The problem for Trump is that 100% of his nominees are unqualified, but while the senate is happy to confirm incompetent republicans, these are the two that are not Republicans.
In the other side of Guantanamos’ fence, there are eleven million of prisioners, without food or electricity enough. Democrats say it’s OK.
Incentives for Self deportations just getting started.
Go Donald.
add: Trump did say Narco Cartel were Terrorist organizations.
IED’s have been planted in Mexico which now has several areas designated no travel zones.
What better place to put them than Cuba.
Democratic Party:
31% – Favorable
57% – Unfavorable (-26)
The Democratic Party has never been more unpopular in modern-American history.
It was not so popular in 1860.
Depends on where you were taking the poll. They were certainly popular in the South.
One Soros investment going down the drain. Hopefully, more to come.
Yes! Let’s get that Bush-Era Water Boarding action going again!
/sarc
30,000 detainees? Them’s rookie numbers. Add a couple zeroes to it.
This should not be a surprise. Upon questioning, do we expect a 100% return rate to the place of origin? They aren’t going to tell you f–k.
Mish you said you were for the deportation of criminals multiple times. Now you don’t like where they are going? Wtf. Once again Get Off My Lawn Energy where you are unhappy with a policy just because.
Some of us, well at least one of us, would like to see it done legally.
So let’s see if this is.
With all the space in the US, hard to believe this is the best solution. And I suspect costing the US a lot. My question, why cant we leave Cuba alone? In what world should the US have dominance over all the countries in this hemisphere. We have destroyed Cuba many times, this is simply another shot at it until they finally agree to be a territory under our rules.
Yeah, this is an especially weak argument. Many of us are against violent criminals but would not want them tortured in public like in medieval time as punishment.
Torture? Seems like an awfully big leap.
This decision will be litigated and if found illegal it will be rescinded like the other EO. But if not, what a great idea!
This administration is not afraid to try new things and is not running roughshod over anyone (unlike the last), so just relax and let it play out. In the meantime, Trump is definitely getting his point across regardless.
Guantanamo Bay to avoid deportation wars. Let the 30K do some work for the US.
Diversify with Mexico, PR, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica and Cuba.
Every illegal caught and deported should have their dominant hand cut off. That way we will know if they come back.
I know you’re kidding, but that’s very Leopold II. We could just brand them on the back of the neck.
That’s brutal and I am not being sarcastic here. This is not the Middle ages…or were you kidding?
Now, we COULD SNIP AN EAR, like they do with livestock. OUCH!
An American hero tried to snip tRump’s ear but failed. He missed but the SS bloodied tRump’s ear on the way to the ground.
Hey, Mish. Really?
Good idea to park those whose countries refuse to accept them back or those who had destroyed their passports and IDs which is a common ploy to keep from getting deported. Of course the Democrats will try to use it to capture the moral high ground but their moral high ground left them long ago.
Indeed amazing that democrats could be against what’s going on.
A crew of migrant gangbangers taken down by the NYPD was so brazen about their illegal gun profits that they posted a sick photo of a baby on a pile of their ill-gotten cash.
In all, 10 high-ranking members of the violent Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua — including the baby’s heartless mom — are out of commission or on the run thanks to a nationwide sweep.
The NYPD seized a cache of more than 30 illegal guns, including AR-15 assault rifles and a Glock 9mm with a trigger modification making it an automatic, in the Tuesday night raids.
What?
Which Democrats came out against busting violent gangbangers or ridding cities of illegal automatic gun-running schemes?
Trump being a businessman, can do subcontracting to rid Europe of Islamic invasion – for a modest fee.
It’s a good idea to park them in a crappy place. But it should be on US soil. Maybe an abandoned military base in the Aleutians?
My son worked to deport illegals from Australia. There were illegals stuck after being deported to crap hole places like Nauru and Manus Island for years with no chance of ever being given entry to Australia. This tough policy stopped all the boats bringing illegals to Australia
I don’t think so Mish. We’re literally running the exact same traps from 2016 and it’s looking highly likely dems sweep Congress in ’26 then start impeachment hearings for one or more Trump crimes committed over the next two years.
But we’ll see if either side of the political spectrum learned any lesson. It does feel like deja vu all over again.
Your concern is noted.
We all saw how impeachment went last time, and it isn’t gong to get any better.
Cuba is nice. You can do whatever you want to people… torture, murder, bury alive and nobody will say boo about it.
Might even build a sex dungeon under it, if we collect enough pretty young senioritas! I really miss going to Jeffrey’s Island.
meanwhile Chinese and Iranian Hackers Are Using U.S. AI Products to Bolster Cyberattackshttps://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/chinese-and-iranian-hackers-are-using-u-s-ai-products-to-bolster-cyberattacks-ff3c5884