Trump orders the courts to do the “right thing”.
The Right Thing
White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller said the Trump administration is considering suspending habeas corpus, depending “on whether the courts do the right thing.”
President Donald Trump has argued that the U.S. is being “invaded” by undocumented immigrants and has acted accordingly. In March, the administration invoked the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to justify the due process-free deportations of more than 230 immigrants to El Salvador, where they are being incarcerated without charge. On Friday, Miller suggested that Trump may suspend habeas corpus, which was most famously done during the Civil War.
Miller fielded questions outside the White House, including one from the far-right, conspiracy-peddling site Gateway Pundit.
“President Trump has talked about potentially suspending habeas corpus to take care of the illegal immigration problem,” he said. “When could we see that happen, do you think?”
Miller replied:
Well, the Constitution is clear, and that, of course, is the supreme law of the land, that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion. So, I would say that’s an option we’re actively looking at.
Look, a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not. At the end of the day, Congress passed a body of law, known as the Immigration and Nationality Act, which stripped Article III courts, that’s the judicial branch, of jurisdiction over immigration cases. So, Congress actually passed, it’s called jurisdiction-stripping legislation. It passed a number of laws that say that the Article III courts aren’t even allowed to be involved in immigration cases.
Courts are ultimately the arbiters of what “the right thing” is, per U.S. laws. However, Miller is making clear the administration is prepared to arrogate to itself the right to determine whether court orders are valid or not. Indeed, the U.S. Supreme Court last month upheld a lower court ruling ordering the Trump administration to facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador. Trump is currently defying the ruling.
What Is Habeas Corpus?
Habeas Corpus deals with illegal confinement without being charged with any crimes.
The phrase is from the Latin habeās, second person singular present subjunctive active of habēre “to have”, “to hold”; and corpus, accusative singular of corpus “body”.
Please consider ArtI.S9.C2.1 Suspension Clause and Writ of Habeas Corpus
Article I, Section 9, Clause 2:
The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
This Clause is the only place in the Constitution in which the Great Writ is mentioned, a strange fact in the context of the regard with which the right was held at the time the Constitution was written and stranger in the context of the role the right has come to play in the Supreme Court’s efforts to constitutionalize federal and state criminal procedure.
Suspension During the Civil War
Please consider Suspension During the Civil War
On April 27, 1861, the right of habeas corpus was unilaterally suspended by President Abraham Lincoln in Maryland during the American Civil War. Lincoln had received word that anti-war Maryland officials intended to destroy the railroad tracks between Annapolis and Philadelphia, which was a vital supply line for the army preparing to fight the South.
Lincoln’s action was rapidly challenged in court and overturned by the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Maryland (led by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Roger B. Taney) in Ex parte Merryman. Chief Justice Taney ruled the suspension unconstitutional, stating that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus.
In January 2007, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales told the Senate Judiciary Committee that in his opinion: “There is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution. There’s a prohibition against taking it away.” He was challenged by Sen. Arlen Specter who asked him to explain how it is possible to prohibit something from being taken away, without first being granted.
The Department of Justice in the George W. Bush administration took the position in litigation that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 does not amount to a suspension of the writ of habeas corpus. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit agreed in a 2-1 decision, on February 20, 2007, which the U.S. Supreme Court initially declined to review. The U.S. Supreme Court then reversed its decision to deny review and took up the case in June 2007. In June 2008, the court ruled 5-4 that the act did suspend habeas and found it unconstitutional.
This is idiotic but the cult is cheering.
I did not think Trump would lead the nation to a Constitutional Crisis but I am starting to think I may be wrong.
The US is not being invaded. And the courts have already ruled against Trump’s use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act.
Trump’s threat is a blanket interpretation that everyone here illegally is an enemy invader.
No one should be cheering this.
Let’s put the blame on the correct branch of government: JOHN ROBERTS AND THE SUPREME COURT.
Citizen = Rights
Noncitizen entry = Privilege
Illegals = did not even get Privilege – no legal status
Let the illegal be free in their own country or somewhere else. Let them have habeas in another country. (Canda or Mexico)
Courts do not grant entry into the country(privilege) so why are they involved with individuals that don’t even have privilege. This is clearly an executive issue to deport them. There is clear guidance within the executive branch set out by congress for review of illegal aliens. The only time the court should be involved is if the executive did not follow their own rules or congress, which are by the way are subject to change by the executive or through legislation.
The real problem is the Supreme Court and Roberts. They are the ones causing the problems. They had the chance to hand down some clear guidance and F’ed it up or did not enforce their decision on the lower court. At this point, I think it is time for Trump to have a heart to heart with Roberts. ‘Stay out of the Executive and get the courts in order or I will come looking around in the court system’ We all know that judges and prosecutors think they are above the law. The fact is Trump is only accountable to the House of Representatives.
By the way – what about all the habeas claims of the people that were guided into capital building. The people that got swatted complaining at school board meetings and Trump himself. If Roberts does not balance the scales of justice, we have no self-balancing government, and this will lead to the inevitable outcome of tyranny and revolt.
Trump has ignored the Separation of Powers for several months now, SCOTUS has not been this irrelevant for 150+ years
Mish, you are wrong to think that Donald Trump will not prompt a Constitutional Crisis. After the SCOTUS decision last year granting presidents broad and undefined legal immunity, Trump feels even more above the law as president than he has been as a multi-billionaire for much of his life. Donald Trump is easily the most “anti-American” President that we have had over the last 150 years. He has no guiding principles beyond what is in his interest in the advance of either his wealth or his “ratings” and “fame.”
My goodness, A billionaire that cant be bought off; Like all of your Dem hero’s
You have DJTS BAD!!!
The other option is to put the invaders in court one by one. How would that work Mish?
Deportations are within the purview of immigration courts that are part of the executive branch under the auspices of the DOJ. The due process required is substantially less than what an American citizen would be entitled to in a federal court.
Via Due Process, as a study of Civics 101 would have informed you
Suspension of habeus corpus?
For all issues?
If for the purposes of “alien removal onl”, we will see how many topics become related. And we will see who pissed off the guy who has connections at ICE
This is idiotic but the cult is cheering.
This is being done for Fox and Friends. All done for effect and not the American people.
it doesn’t matter if it is being done for effect when you, I, Mish, and everyone else could be locked up for any reason at any time and we would have no rights.
How long were Jan 6 protestors jailed for just showing up at a Washington D.C. protest rally? Hypocrisy, all around, is all that Washington D.C. knows how to generate.
“Just showing up” for vandalizing the Capitol?
What was vandalized?? Asley Bobbitt’s neck? shot by a worm cop; DC scum
with out recourse?
Perhaps not an invasion, but rather, perhaps insurrection of the sanctuary cities and states might be declared. Clearly, this is a manifest refusal to obey federal law. Coincidentally, the blue bastions that so strongly oppose Trump would suffer his keen attention thereby. For my part, it would seem that a path to naturalization coupled with his re-industrialization goals would be the better path.
Naturalization ? what welfare roles increased by 50% ?
Mish: how many bankruptcies have happened in Apr. Was any bank in a big troubles.
Did that clogged the o/n market. If it happened in April is it likely to happen again in Q3 or Q4
The writ of habeas corpus has been suspended four times since the Constitution was ratified: throughout the entire country during the Civil War; in eleven South Carolina counties overrun by the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction; in two provinces of the Philippines during a 1905 insurrection; and in Hawaii after the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
If the far-left wants to exploit laws that have been on the books since the time when someone had to swim the Pacific or the Atlantic to get to America, then perhaps there is a case. Why ancient laws have no expiration date?
“Laws on the books”. The writ of habeas corpus is written in the constitution. I thought flag huggers wanted to protect the constitution no matter what?
Who talks about habeas corpus? This came about as a result of district judges blocking deportation orders applying ancient laws. You do subscribe to logic, don’t you?
FLAG Hugger’s ? You are a special one!
You are missing the “secret sauce” of the American democratic experiment. That secret sauce is the idea that everyone has universal and unalienable rights. The U.S. Constitution only applies on U.S. soil. Thus, any person on U.S. soil has these unalienable rights, citizen or not. One of these rights is due process under the law. Suppose a person crosses into the U.S. without going through the official process and without the proper paperwork because they claim they are fleeing political persecution, or they are fleeing for fear of death or violence. They have the right under our Constitution to due process to prove their claim in these cases. Before a judgment can be made on whether or not they can stay or be deported.
KP, wake up buddro
“RealID” does not prove citizenship
you need to carry your passport or passport card
With trump as president – no one is safe. Trump is above the law…
HIs cult is full of mindless abusers and violent criminals that he pardons regardless of their crimes against our electoral process, nation, the capitol police, or Supreme Court.
bingo.
“… the U.S. Supreme Court last month upheld a lower court ruling ordering the Trump administration to facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia from El Salvador. Trump is currently defying the ruling.”
I disagree. Judge Boasberg demanded that the administration bring Abrego-Garcia back to the US. The Supreme Court changed the wording to say that they have to “facilitate” his return. Salvadoran President Bukele says he’s staying put in prison. If Bukele puts him on a place to the US, then the Administration can’t refuse him, but SCOTUS can’t force a sovereign foreign country to remove a guy from their prison. So, Trump isn’t defying anything.
So El Salvador can push the US around now? Is that your argument because it makes Trump look like a weak impotent fool.
Trump may be Teflon in America, but the world is bitch slapping him into the corner over his tariff idiocy.
One lame ass trade deal with no teeth courtesy of the tabloid loving shit hole – Great Britain. 199 to go, with only two weeks until his self-proclaimed deadline.
Great Britain- a shit hole??? From someone who lives in Michigan. Really? Bud, when you live in a glass house quite lobbing rocks around.
Nah – it’s a total shit hole
t*at
Whats the alternative? Maybe bomb them? I know thats our go to, but we didn’t start bombing the gaza strip over americans held hostage there. Theres no reason to start a war to bring back an illegal alien thug.
You do know that Trump is planning on invading Mexico to go after the cartels don’t you? All this pretending Trump is impotent against requesting a prisoner from El Salvador from the greatest deal maker ever is a smoke screen.
He’s also talked about invading Canada and Greenland. When he actually does something like that the attempt to contrast the two will make sense.
Instead of fighting with congress, judges and deporting them in giant military planes arrest saboteurs, terrorists and the criminal gangs and dump them in military camps. Put the genie back in the bottle
Perhaps Trump may be exiting for reasons very similar to Biden.
But in much more spectacular fashion.
There’s no rationality test required of politicians.
I agree.
If he goes, it won’t be quietly.
Dictators are hard to get rid of, and the one has installed his henchmen in high places.
A couple of trumps telling quote’s for even his most ardent cultists to consider:
This is the scariest thing about trump… A convicted felon, 6x bankruptcies, he was mentioned 54 times in the Epstein report and is a known sexual predator. Yet his cult of followers will invade the Capitol of the U.S. if he incites them and receive full pardons.
This administration is close to destroying America and everything it stands for.
Look out below!
Everything America stood for was destroyed during covid to the raucous cheers of the muh threat to democracy crowd.
Ponder the grief the Trump administration has gotten for deporting a criminal illegal. Why so much resistance for a person who has no right to be in the country? Are we to have this angst for each and every one of millions of illegals?
Deportation is NOT an execution. It can be corrected. If an error is made the person has the opportunity to fix it. To demand perfection in the deportation process when the importation process is intentionally broken is insanity. It puts in jeopardy the sovereignty of the country and clearly puts citizens at risk.
Imagine if banks were required to have their ATM machines dispense cash to everyone regardless of bank account status. Only after the money was dispensed could the bank pursue those who illegally withdrew money. Now demand that every prosecution of illegal withdrawal required “due process”.
Yea, that policy would not only bankrupt banks but it would either result in all ATMs being empty of currency or the currency being worthless . Due process assumes there exists some barrier to lawbreaking. Otherwise Due process is a suicide pact.
If Trump shot 10/20 illegal immigrants in the southern border the invasion brigades would have never come.
Now that’s not very nice.
The Europeans were too nice to do the dirty job. They paid Erdogan to stop the invasion from Turkey to Greece and from Syria to Turkey it’s : shoot to kill, no questions ask. When the EU anger Erdogan he puts a threat on them: I will open the floodgate. Being nice cause Brexit, EuroArabia, a change in the parliament character and a Palestinian flag on the Big Ben.
There’s a nice way to do anything.
For example,the way Obama deported thousands, and turned away untold numbers more at the border.
And we Americans not even aware of it!
Read my comment: if Trump shot a few of them they wouldn’t have come. If they are not in the US there will be no need to deport them.
Perhaps not at the southern border.
But he did claim he could shoot someone on the street in New York City.
I want a wall on the southern border, but I’ve always said we can handle the northern border with snipers – at least for now.
I read that the number of illegals who entered the US during the Biden administration is estimated to be in the range of 1.8 million to 7 million. For reference, 22 US states have a population of 4 million or less. 12 have a population of 2 million or less.
I think millions of people illegally entering the US constitutes an invasion, especially when we can pinpoint the dereliction of duty that allowed it to happen.
As if that supposed invasion was not happening during trump 1 as he preceded Biden and failed to secure the border. Remember the wall that Mexico was going to pay for?
When trump denied the election results and incited a riot to take over the U.S. Capital trump became an insurrectionist and seditionist. He should have been charged, tried and imprisoned for life at a minimum.
Trump is not working for the American people, he is a dictator…
Invaders? the tv show?? https://youtu.be/XGpdr4QuF5E?si=exX7npX__8QCDrJ6
I don’t wish to be alarming, but it seems we are heading for a war – not like Vietnam or Ukraine – more like WWII, but with drones and massive civilian “collateral damage”.
For the survivors there will be an economic reset.
I hope I’m wrong
Exactly its the FOURTH TURNING, read Neal Howes book.
Stephen Miller is one of the more evil people in this administration.
He stays out of sight mostly, but slithers out into public occasionally.
Really? I think he’s adorable.
Under the patriot act the government can arrest and detain a us citizen without the right to representation. Never hear of any complaints there, must not be a liberal priority.
Peter Santenello (on Youtube) just posted a long video on the before and after the invasion situation. IT IS REALLY worth a watch. Look him up on Youtube. He drives around with Local Sheriff near Yuma (I think) and the Sheriff makes some strong points about how things changed rapidly once Trump was IN. He also said that it dried up nearly the day that Trump made noises about closing our southern Borders. It is TRULY remarkable when he interviews a local Hosp. manager and what she says is amazing (I will not spoil it).
Can you post a link?
I suspect DH is referring to this:
US/Mexico Border With Arizona Sheriff – What’s It Like Now? 🇺🇸🇲🇽
good video. i lived in AZ for long long time.
The way Trump is going about deporting them is wrong. He needs to follow the letter of the law but there is a method called malicious compliance.
Lawfully round every illegal up.
Lawfully detain them with all males and females separated, including any above say age 5 (which under Islamic law iis the age where sexual acts are permitted per Mohammed’s thighing of Aisha) . That way no anchor babies and a viable excuse for separating all but young children from their mothers.
Detain them with the barest necessities to be humane. So 3 hots and a cot in tents, no electronics, basically what WW2 GIs had. Anything extra can be provided by the do gooders out of their own pocket, not the taxpayers.
They can stay there for years or decades until they either self deport or they get to their hearing for asylum claims which nearly all will fail as most are just economic migrants.
And as a carrot offer a free one way ticket and a grand reestablishment money for those who volunteer to self deport.
What a sick post.
democracy works. sick twisted assholes elect sick twisted assholes. go read republic of plato. they warned about this 2500 years ago.
you are twisted.
Are you on fentanyl?
So your only response is to attack me personally instead of rebutting the points in my post? Nothing in my post is different to what other countries do. Australia where I currently live detained illegals for years in places like Manus Island and Nauru when they tried to enter illegally. My son worked on deportation and transportation flights for a while 10 year back so Trumps deportation flights are nothing new. My other home country of Egypt detains illegals in conditions far worse than 3 hots and a cot. That applies to most countries outside soft cock Western countries, at least Trump has stiffened the borders and shafting illegals back.
It is absurd to imagine that conditions that are the result of our elected governments for decades, foolish as they may have been, are suddenly an “invasion.” This takes arrogance and cynicism to a new level in US history. He will keep pushing just to see how far he can stretch things, until he hits constraints. Old dictator playbook: declare emergencies all the time. Bend the meaning of words far outside their intent. If you raise a kid without due constraints, he will mutate into this.
I’m not cheering any legal maneuvering, I’m just a guy who concludes that illegal immigrants have as much entitlement to due process here–other than safe, humane return to their home country–as a grasshopper. Once they crossed into another country illegally without due process they can be returned without any intervention. That’s my only position. Letting 20 million in an flying them around the country without consultation with Congress or the Courts nor the destination states or cities they were deposited into was no more legal–just safely return them. If folks think we should hear 20 million cases individually and that putting them on an A320 outta El Paso into Des Moines at taxpayer expense for 4 straight years was okay then I have nothing in common with those folks.
i.e. I’m okay with safely and humanely returning illegal immigrants.
This is all just #resist2.0 to lock in the result of the Biden (ahem, we saw his interview, he wasn’t in charge) Administration and leave the 20M in place. No declaration of anything regarding a habeus or a corpus should be required to deport legally.
Gosh imagine if I just overstayed my 90 days in Europe and then demanding I be allowed to stay…and do so at scale, millions and millions.
“Once they crossed into another country illegally without due process they can be returned without any intervention.”
So many non-lawyers have an opinion like this.
What about those who legally request asylum? How would anyone know whether they are a cocaine dealing killer or a legitimate asylum seeker we want here – UNLESS there is due process in a court of law?
I have seen very few, if any, claims made by anyone that the foreign cocaine dealing killer should be able to stay in an American suburb for life. Biden deported people, Trump deported before that, Obama deported people before that…
Again, very few, if any, argue legitimate deportations should not occur. It’s HOW they occur and how much taxpayer money it costs that are the legitimate issues – and that’s there’s disagreement abouit.
NOT your simplistic answer.
Asylum supposed to be first country entered not destination country with the best benefits.
Which in no way stops anyone from deporting illegal immigrants after due process. Due process is not there to help people avoid justice. It’s there to avoid innocent people victimized by the government. Without due process, you could be as easily sent away to El Salvador as the illegal immigrant. Neither would be protected by the law, whereas due process protects you from the law.
And how simple was it to just accept, nay encourage, the infiltration? Hand them money, cell phone and some fictional hearing in 10 years. Place them on a taxpayer-funded plane and land them in Des Moines on the only non-stop service into Des Moines from El Paso without the Governor of Iowa or Mayor of Des Moines or its citizens saying, “yeah sure, we’re in the (ahem) asylum-seeker sanctuary business, I’m sure our communities, schools and hospitals are good with this unexpected and unwanted pressure”.
It is this simple–here illegally over the period where there was no enforcement of the law, deport. Mexico is not a failed state. I know of no Central American war at present, flood or famine.
This is all just legal mumbo jumbo to bring them in but then check-valve them here until a Demoncrat makes its way into the White House. No one I talk to ever thinks, gosh, everyone coming here illegally across this river is seeking asylum as they all know they are seeking welfare, opportunity, a shot better than their home country. I never blame them, I blame us.
I recall Gover Jan Brewer R-AZ trying to simply enforce the federal immigration laws by penning the federal law into AZ law, word for word, and SCOTUS sided with Obama, placing that responsibility in the Presidency/Executive Branch.
Whenever someone says it’s not that simple it is usually a recipe to introduce complexity to take the outcome outside the bounds of common sense. So I’ll make it simpler: Every single one of them you think warrants some due process (what is that even?) gets assigned to HubrisEveryWhereOnline’s house pending this allegedly long, drawn out due process. Or Martha’s Vineyard which I suspect may be nicer in summer and gets resolution right quick.
Destination: Tierra del Fuego.
I would assume that suspension of habeas corpus would apply to anyone, legal or illegal, citizen or non-citizen.
By definition, it does. Because how will you prove to be in the US legally if you don’t get the opportunity to do so?
Get your Real ID and you have proof!
Yes, but you also need the opportunity to present it and have it validated. Without that you and your realID can simply be sent abroad by a border guard with a bad temper. Due process is there to protect from that.
What’s the point of an ID if it doesn’t serve as an ID? I understand not wanting to live in a society where at any moment one can be stopped to “show papers”. At the same time, I have to show papers to get employed, to fly and to claim the right to drive.
A person suspected of being illegal should be tested to “show papers”. Otherwise, what’s the point of a ID? Why does the US have such a vast personal identity infrastructure of it doesn’t use it to verify citizenship?
bingo. wait until potus AOC rounds up magas and lock em in FEMA camps with no due process to prove they are real amerikans.
What part of “Article III courts aren’t even allowed to be involved in immigration cases” didn’t you understand?
This is always the way it starts. They needed 9/11 in order to get Americans cheering for the Patriot Act to “go get them damn terrorists”, only to have the law weaponized against average Americans afterwards – now we have unlimited, warrant-less surveillance of the population. The technocrats who paid to put Trump in office are getting paid with our tax dollars to build the digital prison, and of course we ALL will be required to carry digital ID (Real ID) to “go get them damn illegals”. And of course, the digital prison will be used against average Americans to develop everyone’s social credit score and restrict activities based on behavior. Let’s face it, Americans are generally stupid, and blindly follow their tribe without thinking. The orange savior is going to “Make America Great Again” by taking away liberties, just like the worst president in U.S. history, Abe Lincoln.
There are down-voters here who clearly did not comprehend the validity of your comments. I am NOT getting that! They must be like Zero Hedge Trolls or similar. Your points are all well-taken here!
“clearly did not comprehend”. Marty does have valid concerns. That doesn’t mean that some readers might fully understand those concerns but find them overmatched by concern about inertia, purposeful legalistic manuevering and foot-dragging being used by the Left to ensure that tens of millions of economic illegal migrants can never be disgorged.
Leftists always think everyone will agree with them if only they explain things enough. The idea of people just disagreeing is beyond their comprehension. I’m not accusing you of being a leftist. Just mentioning that habit of theirs.
Yes, the whole digital infrastructure is being repurposed for a surveillance society, far from original conceptions of liberty. The economic coercion fits with this too: a crony system where the central power dictates prices and permissible commerce. It is precisely the tendencies this nation was built around opposing.
correct. i’d also remind folks about the NDAA under obama. extra judicial executions codified. see judge napalitano and celente to explain this. the amerikan people are morons and frightened and will build and pay for their own police state to monitor their every move. TSA feeling up their wives and daughters was kewl.
So, you illegally allow 10’s on millions of foreigners into the country and put them on public assistance, and that’s not a constitutional crisis? But now, you require that they all get a hearing before they can be deported? I’m with Miller on this — the non-citizens’ due process should consist of a check to see if they are here illegally. If they are, then out they go. You don’t need a court to do that.
I’m with you! If my wife and I enter Portugal without papers and we do NOT scream, “America has defiled and battered us” – – then, we are limited to 90 days with a std Tourist Visa and extensive paperwork allows us ANOTHER 90 days. That paperwork includes: 1) Proof of an address that has us there for the duration. 2) Proof of income. 3) valid Passport. 4) Application forms and fees. 5) RETURN TICKETS by NLT 180 days and we are OUT. If you break the rules, you get fined and possibly your Passport will be marked, “do not allow back in…”
No golden passport?
who decides all your paperwork is in order? i have an EU and US passport.
No, you must pay the price of having rule of law. Expediency is ALWAYS the handy excuse to destroy this.
I am not a constitutional scholar, but if you read the 14th amendment, a lot of things are open to interpretation. What Trump should do is to support the illegals that he wants to deport, after determining that they are here illegally. He will then be sued. The case will go to the Supreme Court, and they will have to determine if due process was exercised. The constitution does not say that due process means a hearing in court.
a court of law for a hearing which might last half an hour is for sure worth it, versus letting some cop or ice officer, on the beat decide who is legal or illegal.
The problem is immigration courts are months behind due to lack of sufficient judges. Where do we house tens of thousands of people who are awaiting their hearing?
The real solution is to make immigration court service more attractive so the army of underworked US attorneys find it more appealing as a career path versus chasing ambulances… but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
mediate.com?! Lol! How low can you go? You’re really scraping the bottom of barrel for your sources.
And at the same time, why zing the Gatewaypundit for asking a valid question that any network should be asking? Your TDS is in full display here.
Your statement that “the courts” have ruled against the Enemies Act should more accurately be rephrased as “some rogue judges” have ruled against Americans and their mandate. It is the reason why the Trump admin is considering the suspension of HC in the first place!
Of course the US has been invaded! It’s totally wishful thinking on your part to think otherwise. Just because the invasion was supported by a bunch of criminal actors from within doesn’t make it any less of an invasion.
Mish has turned into a squishy cuck with TDS and he even lets libs troll his comments section. It’s a disaster of a site these days.
No worries, another 15+ million will invade starting in 2029.
Actually, It is illegal for the United States to have borders. That is somewhere in the Constitution.
Yeah, that part about the workers of the world unite thing. Maybe that’s the Bill of Rights.
Cambrdige dictionary definition of invasion:
An occasion when a large number of people or things come to a place in an annoying or unwanted way.
Really starting to shape up like pre-Nazi Germany isn’t it.
First they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out—because I did not think I was an immigrant.
Then they came for the liberals, and I did not speak out—because I did not think I was a liberal.
Then they came for the RINOs, and I did not speak out—because I did not think I was a RINO.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Regards to Martin Niemöller
But don’t worry, everyone here is armed to the teeth so the next real stage is massive gun violence. Saw a video of a crowd blocking ICE as they came for a woman and her baby. It’s only a matter of time before gun fire erupts at one of these raids. At some point it’ll end up being open season on ICE and law enforcement and there are far more of “them” than law enforcement.
You can do the math at where this ends.
Got exit strategy?
There is only one exit, end Trump and MAGA.
Sounds like a threat to me
it’s true. First Trump came for migrants with criminal records. then he came for legal residents, those with visas or Greencards, because he didnt’ like what they said about Israel, then they started harassing tourists detaining them pointlessly for weeks.
here’s what will happen next, and I am happy to give odds on this: status of citizens naturalized in the last 4 years under the argument that these are not valid under the Biden regime probably first trotted out against someone who criticized Trump.
then it’ll be, well, US born citizens born to naturalized parents are second class to those who trace citizenship for several generations. Then it’ll be, ok your family may have been here for generations but you’re not from the right country, you’re from a country that’s an adversary or you’re just the wrong shade so we’ll harass you too.
and his base will be perfectly ok with it.
You really need to read up on the Nazi’s before making these dumb comparisons.
not really, reading up on it condenses it and makes it seem like it all happened at once. it didn’t, it happened slowly, in steps, over years.
in jut 100 days Trump has handed over our government to a billionaire from South Africa to make “suggestions” (yeah right) about important functions of government. He sent off people, allegedly gang members, to a torture prison in El Salvador and then when he admitted a mistake was made claimed he was powerless to fix it.
And what this article is actually about: he’s actually threatening to suspend habeas corpus if the courts don’t agree to look the other way on his overreaching immigration ambitions. he’s threatening the courts, wanting to weaken their constitutionally given duty to interpret and apply immigration laws and executive orders. this isn’t some exaggeration once someone does away with HC he can arrest anyone under the pretext that they are an “invader”.
In the Night of the long knives, Hitler killed 85 (actually probably thousands of) senior members of his own party to consolidate his power. Killed. I find that TDS-addled people don’t appreciate facts. They just want to spew unsubstantiated emotions, I’m sure while clutching pearls.
Hitler had been Chancellor for 18 months before the Long Knives. . . Trump’s got a lot of time for that analogy to play out.
anyway, you seem to be taking these comparisons literally instead of seriously. Trump is openly weakening constitutional protections, limiting the scope of who he wants those to apply to, and now wanting to do away with HC to get done what he wants.
these are tyrant moves, and labelling anyone who raises concerns when the POTUS publicly threatens doing away with HC if courts dont’ do what he wants as “TDS” should look in the mirror.
history doesn’t have to repeat exactly. plenty of tyrants in world history going back thousands of years. hitler is just one little example every nit wit knows about.
invaded? HA Lets look at the real invasions taking place: Pakistani Firm Shipped Fentanyl Analogs, Scams to UShttps://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/05/pakistani-firm-shipped-fentanyl-analogs-scams-to-us/
The only thing that got invaded is Stephen Miller’s brain. And the invader is a virus called authoritarianism.
So the border is the most secure as it has ever been in history but we are still being invaded? Which is it, it can’t be both? Using the IRS to target political ‘enemies’, Real ID, suspending habeas corpus, rule by EOs, etc. We are marching toward authoritarian rule and people are cheering. History repeats itself.
So by your logic as the invaders are already here then the invasion is over and you don’t need to force them back. As you TDS sufferers love to make Hitler comparisons then in WW2 the US had no reason to mobilise to fight the Nazis as the invasion of Europe was over and no need for D-day or anything like that.
I see, illegal immigration is like a football, once the ball is over the goal line its a touchdown and no one can undo that.
We are not currently being invaded. Prior to January we WERE invaded by over 30 million illegal entries allowed by the traitors throwing the gates open from the inside
As long as the suspension ONLY covers the illegal antrants it is a dangerous but necessary move
Allowing 30 million illegal entrants in 4 years presents a huge problem
In order to expel the bulk of them there do not exist the resources to afford individual legal processes. So you are left with ugly methods
That is the fault of the traitors who opened the gates
we did not allow 30 million immigrants in 4 years. i have seen that figure as the highest possible number of illegals in the country now, which includes the illegal immigration before 4 years which would obviously be most immigrants here now. and even this 30 million figure is not the most realitic one by a long shot.
the actual number under Biden is 2.8 million. it was a big problem. no need to lie about the actual numbers.
you just undermine the point when you flagrantly lie. the population of the US did NOT increase 10% in 4 years with illegal immigrants, the real figures are available and common sense will also tell you that it couldn’t have been that much.
30 million exaggerates the total, but 2.8 million over 4 years? Where did you pull that number from?
https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/cbp-encounters
sorry, it’s 2.5 not 2.8, I pulled it from here.
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/
Note farther down in the article Rubio said it was 3.3 million.
i imagine it’s hard to get an exact figure, and am fine conceding it’s 3.3 instead of 2.5 or 2.8. it’s still less than 30 million by an order of magnitude.
the 10 million figure nost commonly trotted out by MAGA includes all encounters, which omits that most of those encounters resulted in expulsions (it also ignores deportations, which were ongoing).
to be clear, i think 2.5M is outragerous and agree w Trump closing the border. what i don’t agree with is him wanting to do away with HC or to do away with due process. Also, deporting students because of their protest activity, and more generally harassing tourists and visa holders by encouraging border control to act like a-holes.
Thank you for responding.
I will point out that the data in your link only covers Feb ’21-Oct ’23 so for the entire 4 years the ‘official’ number would be noticeably larger than 2.5 million, but certainly well below 30 million.
From your link:
“Bier wrote in November that his work showed the Biden administration “has removed a higher percentage of arrested border crossers in its first two years than the Trump DHS did over its last two years.
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While the raw numbers are much higher under Biden — 5 million encounters compared with 1.4 million under Trump in those time frames — the percentages for the two administrations were similar: 47% removed under Trump and 51% under Biden.”
As with the detentions during the Obama years vs Trump’s first term, it would appear the similarities are greater than the differences (at least with respect to the rate of removal).
One facet that I haven’t seen spelled out is what portion of illegal crossings that are known to officials (via detentions or observed remotely by camera/sensor) do not end up in detention. In other words, how many individuals cross and are not processed in some manner.
Good linkj. Note that the official “encounters”, ie, those that they KNEW about is 3 million PER YEAR for 22, 23 and 24, and 2 million for 21. That is 11 million over 4 years.
And you think the ratio of those they DID NOT know about to those they DID know about is less than 3 to 1?
I think 30 million may be low
Impeach this demented felon now.
Need to get the house back and fourteen or so Repub senators to convict. Otherwise impeach is just “arrest”.
Courts the arbiter of “what the right thing is” … ? The statement is absurd. The courts weigh damages and harms brought before them following laws enacted by legislatures, with an eye toward boundaries as defined by the constitution. SCOTUS is the final arbiter on US Constitutional law. With the caveat that no one, and especially no court, is infallible. One example of the courts overreach is to decide what a so called invasion is. That’s not the court’s jurisdiction. The executive is charged with foreign policy. Period.
this is so wrong it’s almost funny. Anything that is written as a law or constitution is interpreted and applied by the courts.
Obviously if the POTUS has final say on what’s an invasion and there’s no way for courts or congress to challenge that, and if POTUS can them use an invasion as a reason to suspend constitutional protections, then constitutional protections are literally worthless and there is zero check on the power of the POTUS by the other branches of government.
want to lock up this or that ethnic group? they’re invaders. don’t ike whta this person said? they’re invaders? Don’t like the second amendment? People with guns are invaders, some in sleper cells here for generations.
but, you say, those are absurd situations. and according to you the courts can’t do anything, so he can literally take anyone’s rights away just by using the magic word invasion.
When hyperbole and hysteria are your only answers, maybe time to go back to sleep.
The Repubs with the biggest problems with self-worth and self-esteem wanted this phony MMA fighter who acts tough and pretends to be tough, so his supporters think that THEY the supporters are now tough, and life isnt running over them as it is now. It is a continuation of lies, fakery, pretending and an anti-biotic for a broken and poor American population that needs to “feel better” about how great they are supposed to be.
yeah real tough and patriotic: a couple of college exemptions from Nam and then when those ran out, bone spurs.
It depends upon whose neighborhood they’re in. Abbott’s buses suddenly stopped in December 2023 after they reached the north and northwest suburbs of Chicago, the houses with the front lawn signs. “In This House We Virtue Signal ….”