The deal is not final yet says Trump.
Near Universal Criticism Except From Russia
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Says Ukraine Peace Plan Isn’t Final After Criticism It Favors Russia
President Trump said Saturday he could be open to changes in the administration’s 28-point plan for ending the war in Ukraine after Kyiv, European governments and even some Republican lawmakers denounced it as far too heavily weighted in Moscow’s favor.
“No, not my final,” Trump said at the White House after he was asked if the terms were nonnegotiable. “We’d like to get to peace. It should’ve happened a long time ago.” He didn’t specify what changes were possible in the plan.
The administration has zigzagged repeatedly on aiding Ukraine or pressuring it to reach a deal with Moscow. Trump has previously mused about sending cruise missiles to Kyiv and predicted it might regain all the territory Russian forces occupy. But Trump’s ultimatum to Ukraine signals a sharp turn by the administration to try to force through a deal on a short timeline.
Trump has given Ukraine a Thursday deadline to respond to the proposal, which would require Kyiv cede territory to Russia, block its ambitions to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, cap the size of its military amid other major economic and political concessions to Moscow.
“If you ask me personally, I would rewrite everything,” said Estonian Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur, calling the plan “100 to zero” in Russia’s favor.
Some top Republicans condemned the proposal as appeasement to Russian President Vladimir Putin that, if realized, could lead to the collapse of Ukraine.
“We should not do anything that makes him feel like he has a win here,” Sen. Thom Tillis (R., N.C.) said of Putin Saturday at a security conference of top Western defense officials and lawmakers in Halifax, Canada. “He invaded a sovereign nation. There is no quarter for a human being like that.”
By Thursday?!
Yesterday, the Journal reported Trump Says He Wants Ukraine’s Answer on Peace Plan by Thursday
“Thursday is, we think, an appropriate time,” Trump told Fox News Radio’s Brian Kilmeade in response to a question about whether he has given Ukraine a Thanksgiving deadline to agree to the plan.
Later on Friday, when asked by reporters about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s reaction to the proposal, Trump said: “He’ll have to like it. And if he doesn’t like it then, you know, they should just keep fighting.”
“At some point, he’s going to have to accept something,” Trump added.
Questions Abound
The deal was about as one-sided as it could get. No doubt, Russia was pleased with it.
Will Russia accept changes?
Does Ukraine sill have to agree by Thursday to a deal nobody even knows?
For details of the previous lopsided deal, please see Trump Peace Plan Requires Ukraine to Cede Donetsk and Luhansk to Russia
Territory for peace or a total surrender?
We now have far more questions than answers.
Trump made a fundamental mistake announcing a deal, now backing off after near-universal complaints. He should have consulted someone before announcing a deal. Now he is retreating after one day.
I suspect many will say the deal was purposely bad so revisions will not look as bad. But will Russia accept changes?
Bonus question: Is any Trump deal ever final?
It’s been obvious from the beginning that Putin will wind up sitting on the Dneiper dictating terms that Ukraine, bereft of army and economy, will be happy to accept. There will be: transfer of 4 or more oblasts to Russia; a disarmed Ukraine outside of NATO; eviction of all the proto-fascists from the Ukrainian government. The Americans will retain their perfect record of zero victories in their wars of empire.
Trading land for peace is not a bad idea–When Putin and his gang die ==New arrangements can be made regarding land reclaiming etc==Ukraine has no more young men to put into war—one must look ahead
“The deal was about as one-sided as it could get. No doubt, Russia was pleased with it.”
LMAO!
MSM-fueled peak cluelessness…
Trump must be the stupidest person on earth. How can Putin accept a watered down version of Trump faux peace plan which even Trump is not committed to. The battlefield is where success and failure count and Ukraine have failed dismally even with billions of US tax payer dollars gifted to it (and most of it stolen presumably by Zelensky and canbinet).
Tillis: “He invaded a sovereign nation. There is no quarter for a human being like that.”
General Wesley Clark spoke about the plan to overthrow 7 governments in 5 years. Those were sovereign nations.
Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran, and Syria were sovereign nations. Oh, it doesn’t apply to the US or NATO.
Tillis is such a stinker, he might as well be an honorary Dem.
Who governs those nations, indeed not Belgium or the U.S.? What do you not understand about the idea that all human beings deserve to live free and not under the iron fist of some delusional dictator who thinks that he or she has the right to determine how people pursue happiness or even live at all?
Iraq, among others.
The deal was obviously no more than a discussion starter. It’s full of vague conditions and references to future discussions, larded with statements about how the Donald will reap money and profit in various ways. And was leaked likely by Keith Kellogg (since displaced) in an attempt to sabotage things.
For Trump, the urgency and the plan are simply an attempt at damage control before things get worse (control of all of Novorossiya), and to appear in control instead of as a “loser”.
It contains a number of complete non-starters for the Russians, so all talk of how it is favorable to Russia is empty rhetoric.
There can be no ceasefire until the peace deal is signed and sealed. Ukraine will use the ceasefire to import weapons and increase manpower.
If the French would have treated us like this during the American Revolution, we would still have an English king.
Why is President Trump even involved? Maybe the US defense industry is running short of rare earth containing defense weapons?
He has done some good, some not so much – Perhaps he’s “Swamped”?
Is it a sewer or a swamp? It will be interesting to see Transparency International’s updated 2025 corruption index for the US (due in February 2026). It’s likely that the US will figure as one of the most corrupt developed economies.
Very little good, and an awful lot of recklessly stupid bad.
What else should Trump do? Look what Europe is doing – arguing for months whether to steal frozen Russian assets or not. Most of Europe doesn’t want to fund Ukrainian war from its own pocket anymore. Plus Europe is not able to provide weapon systems and ammunition in sufficient numbers. There is no willingness to send European soldiers to Ukraine. Ukraine is running out of infantry and heavy weapons. Trump is 100% right that it is time to find a solution before UKR collapses and RUS takes all parts which were previously Russian speaking. 28-point plan is a shock because two months ago the topic was Korean-style cease fire. OK, everything is for the first time and Trump’s plan reflects the battlefield reality. Hammering out a peace agreement will take two months or so and in the mean time UKR will lose additional 3000 sq miles and 60 000 men. Russian losses are likely 10 times lower. Watch how Russian thermobaric 1000kg bombs burn entire highrise residential buildings with UKR infantrymen hiding inside. Last but not least, Poland and Baltic states are desperate and desperate states tend to make crazy things. NATO agreement contains Article 5 and all recent Polish actions (drones, railway “sabotage”, etc.) are going in direction of triggering Article 5. Do you want to send US Army there for no reason? Trump doesn’t want. And he is right.
What else should Trump do? How about acting like the leader of the free world! How about showing Putin no daylight between NATO allies, regarding NATO’s reason for existence, deterring Russia/Soviet Union expansionist ambitions! How about actually acting like the Commander-in-Chief of the world’s largest and most lethal military force to make it clear that Putin cannot invade smaller/weaker neighboring countries at will without significant consequences! Russia is not a peer of the U.S. in terms of economic and military strength. Russia is economically small and militarily weak compared to the U.S., and our President should always negotiate from this posture.
He tried. Until recently Trump was pushing Putin to accept unconditional ceasefire and freeze the conflict. It failed. I remember well the 2022 argument that Russian GDP is as big as Spain’s. Does Russia produce olive oil and retirement houses? No? May be because Russian factories are too busy producing hypersonic missiles, nuclear submarines, space satellites and other staff which is difficult to sell to impoverished European tourists lusting for cheap holiday on overcrowded Spanish beaches. And the US is as strong as China allows. Do REEs ring the bell? It Trump starts war with Russia Beijing stops REEs exports to NATO and allies. End of fun.
He did not try! Even when he gave lip service to “being tough” on Russia, he always muddied his message by couching his comments and throwing in a backhanded insult toward Zelensky, Ukraine, or our EU allies. He was never resolute and forceful. He never stood on principles. He was never able to state that Russia was the aggressor clearly. All this ambiguity does is embolden Putin.
So you wanted him to use different words? Resolute words? Forceful words? No daylight words? “Leader if the Free World” words. Blah blah blah. The US either fights Russia directly or it doesn’t. Over a border dispute in Ukraine. On the theory that Russia wouldn’t dare use its nukes even if its survival is at stake. That’s dumb. But the West is run by dummies, so whatever. I’d almost like to see it. That would be one way we’d be rid of Langley and Foggy Bottom. Too bad a lot of innocent Americans would die.
Putin’s almost 30 rule has made in extremely wealthy. He is not a delusional ruler like Kim in North Korea; he likes his power and wealth. Starting a nuclear war would most certainly be suicidal. I might expect Kim to think that he can win a nuclear war, but certainly not Putin. Putin wants to live to fight another day and enjoy his illegitimate wealth and power in the meantime.
1) That’s how negotiations work.
2) This is not economics. Please either label it correctly or don’t cover it at all.
Trump has been reduced to a clever palindrome, he’s the TACO CAT
What a pussy – he’ll always go back on his word and his big talk
Now Rubio is telling Senators that the 28-point plan was really not the administration’s plan; it was Russia’s starting points. Did anyone tell the President this? The better question is, how is it that the President of the United States cannot tell the difference?
“The Trump administration just handed Ukraine a 28-point “peace plan” with a Thursday deadline. There’s one problem nobody’s talking about loud enough: the document appears to have been written in Russian first, then translated into English.
Not speculation. Linguistic evidence.” —DailyKos
I know most Americans thought Russia would roll over the Ukraine the way the US rolled over Iraq (a much larger country). But they couldn’t. Which exposed the Russian military as a paper tiger. Russia has some well-regarded military equipment but is unable to produce them at scale. And the mass use of inexpensive drones has shown the world that refighting WWII with tanks, et. al. isn’t going to work anymore. I happen to be a big believer in people getting to decide their own fate, so lean towards Ukraine in this fight. But if we are going to spend our money, we ought to get something out of it, like how best to use drones to fight future wars. If Ukraine wants to win this war, it needs the weapons to destroy Russia’s petroleum refineries. But that would need to be done in a way that doesn’t turn Russia’s nukes towards the West.
@Jon: Iraq-Ukraine is an absurd comparison. How do you think Iraq would have gone if China had been prepping Iraq for a US invasion for 10 years and then continued providing intel, training and billions of dollars worth of high-tech weapons to Iraq?
The same as it did. The US won so quickly China wouldn’t have had time to put the logistics together to move the equipment.
Here is some background on the history of ‘self determination’ in Ukraine.
While wikipedia is often biased, there are similar articles elsewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine
Miami is mostly spanish speaking Cubans. Should it belong to Cuba?
Iraq is much smaller than Ukraine, and save for some urban areas where everybody lives, is largely desert and open fields. US bought half the colonels in the Iraqi military, only the elite units put up resistance. More than twenty years later, US goals have not yet been achieved. Iraqi army was largely illiterate untrained conscripts with outdated equipment and hardly any air defense.
The fact that the European military is a paper tiger, doesn’t change anything about Russia. Russia could have owned Ukraine’s colonels, but wasn’t smart enough. A few tomohawks aimed at Russia’s refineries, and its transportation system collapses. A few more aimed at electrical production facilities around the battlefield and their ability to charge and launch drones collapses. Without the ability to move food and other supplies to the front and the Russian army surrenders. In fact, Russia has proved to be so weak, that I think we can safely and massively reduce US military spending, as can Europe.
you do realize russia is winning the war right and ukraine has precisely zero leverage in these “negotiations”?
Three and a half years of wanking themselves with ordinance and army drills. What have they gained with their huge win? Let’s have you sum the trappings for us, no? I bet you can’t come back with a real list of their accomplishments in this war.
Please list US accomplishments after 20 years and a trillion dollars spent in Afghanistan.
I wish it had only been a trillion.
“Waaah waaah whaaatabout”
Please look at a current map of the region. Please notice how much lake frontage remains for Ukraine. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Once Ukraine is cut off from sea, the situation changes dramatically.
It’s not a peace plan. It’s a surrender document to Russia.
Someday soon, a 600k army or even a 1k contingent of couch potatos can “legally control” millions of drones. Without regime change to de-Banderize Ukraine, the proxy “will” (take orders) “for its defense” (Oceania offense) “borrow” (accept knowingly non-repayable) billions to stockpile drones until it finds (is given) an excuse to resume combat.
The SMO was meant in part to reverse the NATO buildup in Ukraine, to prevent NATO from firing NATO weapons deep into Russia. In this regard, Putin’s attrition strategy did not deter NATO but egged it on. Specifically, NATO is now striking Russia in its rear, including attempts on strategic radar and old airframe elements of the strategic MAD triad.
How does Russia re-establish nuclear deterrence?
In what delusional universe does NATO have its sights set on attacking Russia? NATO was formed and has acted consistently as a mutual defense alliance. Ask yourself: why are countries like Finland and Sweden voluntarily seeking NATO membership? What nations voluntarily ally with Russia to protect their nations from an aggressor nation that is a member of NATO?
For everyone else but this dude, here are some reminders:
“Not one inch eastward”.
Western strategists talk amongst themselves but publicly about breaking up Russia.
NATO was formed before the Warsaw Pact. Since the latter organisation’s dismantling and just in recent memory, NATO has invaded many countries like Iraq, Afghanistan (that offered up OBL, who wasn’t even responsible), Libya, Syria, and uncountable others (uncountable because they don’t report much of what they do).
The 2018 RAND doc about using Ukraine to “extend russia”.
Project Unthinkable.
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Nothing’s changed in centuries. European-American oligarchs want free resources from the rest of the world and they’ll lie to their own serfs to gather support.
The second Iraq war was not a NATO action. Not an inch Eastward was not an official statement or codified in any treaty or official document. There were many security assurances discussed with Gorbachev’s Soviet Union around 1990, but that was what they were: discussions. Please note that these discussions were with a reform-minded Gorbachev; much occurred between 1990 and 1994. Gorbachev’s Soviet Union fell, and Yeltsin’s Russia emerged, only for Yeltsin to be toppled and Putin to take power.
“Defense alliance”. Good one!
Exactly! What countries has NATO taken over? What action has NATO engaged in militarily that was not defensive?
They toppled Gaddafi. Turned the most prosperous country in North Africa into a disaster run by Jihadis. What was defensive about that? What was defensive about bombing Serbia?
Seriously? Gaddafi was funding terrorist attacks on Western nations. If you do not equate state-sponsored terrorism as actions that warrant a military response, I am sorry that you are that kind of person. Unacceptable ethnic cleansing actions by a war criminal leader within Europe prompted the Serbian action. Please do better and provide an example of NATO invading a nation to allow Western nations to gain territory and influence. There is evil in this world, and humanity needs a force to protect those who cannot protect themselves. When a head of state is funding terrorist activities that are resulting in the loss of innocent lives, that leader should have his or her days on earth numbered.
I encourage everyone not to waste their time reading your comments. Going forward, I’ll follow my advice.
I do not know who you are, where you live, or your citizenship. Still, as an American whose ancestors have been here for 350 years and fought for our independence from Britain, on the victorious side of our Civil War, and in Europe for both World Wars, I think that I have a strong sense of what the United States stands for in the world.
‘Someday soon,’ sonic-booms, EMR, etc will turn stockpiles of drones into useless toys. Innovation is often the result of war.
Given the blood and money Russia has given for this war, I don’t think the deal was actually that good from their perspective, but it has created political divisions in the West. Either way, it seems this war will last until total victory is achieved by one side or the other, so at least until 2030.
Rubble futures are surging
Financial markets will obviously be happy. But 200K+ casualties to get a small strip of land, a heavily armed Ukraine with Nato security guarantees (essentially, in Nato in all but name), and agreeing to pay $100 bn in reparations just seems like a bad trade.
The condition, “Stalemate” comes to mind when reading this. NO ONE gives an inch. SO typical of Warring Nations. Hitler was killed and the Germans were creamed and THAT ended the war, going on from 1939 to 1945. It is idiocy to think that the MONEY MEN involved with Wars will give an INCH. The $$ spigot is wide open!
A near-stalemate territorially. That’s what NATO press tells you.
In terms of men& material, it’s lopsided. NATO built up its largest army in Ukraine, using mostly Soviet equipment. That got destroyed. NATO sent a hodgepodge of its own equipment. That got destroyed.
If you think it’s a stalemate, why does it seem like only one party is going around the world asking for donations for weapons, drafting old farts, and sending the occasional pregnant woman to the front?
I have NOT been predicting a NATO collapse in Ukraine for the last few years. (As a stock market bear, I learned the hard way not to call a top.). NATO can continue propping up its proxy to the last Ukrainian or until Ukrainians overwhelmingly realize NATO effectively genocided them to weaken Russia.
“Genocide”? Yes. For instance, I can’t believe TPTB in the west didn’t anticipate that telegraphing a major offensive into the Surovikin Line (3 layers of prepared defenses) would not turn out the way it did. It was a more criminal waste than that scene in the Good, the Bad, & the Ugly where the two armies directly assault each other over a bridge. I feel like crying when I think about the poor Ukrainians NATO used as cannon fodder.
Thank you. However, I doubt many readers will grasp the importance of Ukrainian attrition.
IMO, Russia wins this unless NATO goes all in. The response will be nuclear.
Thank you, Obama, Biden, and Nuland.
The US-UK plan has been for the war to end with decades of an insurgency fighting against Russia. Russia has been attritting Ukraine so there’s no one left to insurge. Brutal but true. It’s what they have to do.
Thank you.
I gotta add though: ..*and* Trump!
Trump voters told me “trump learned his lesson during his first term”. But it’s not true. During his 2024 campaign, trump bragged about his COVID responses (mRNA, mandates, lockdowns) and his arming Ukraine.
People have to start organizing locally and nominating neighbors for the House.
At least an ethno-religious minority in Ukraine, the same as Victoria “the Hutt” Nuland’s, gets to defecate in golden toilets paid for with US tax dollars while countless Ukrainians have to defecate in muddy trenches on the front lines.
Except that there is no (ethnic or otherwise) basis to distinguish between Ukrainians and Russians, who have been intermarrying and moving back and forth for centuries. Not even language — scores of incidents in which they have misidentified each other as ether belonging to the same or to the other group, in battle as well as in the diaspora in Europe.
I don’t think “Victoria” was talking about Russians or Ukrainians. Jews. Like Zelensky and Mindich. Squirreling away millions while actual Ukrainians die.
With Mindich and Alexander Tsukerman going to Israel with their ill-gotten money, it appears the war is reaching its conclusion with the winners of the war cashing out and heading for the exits.
Many comments was already written about moral side of plan etc.
I want to point to one more side of this stupid ‘plan’ that no one are discussing:
Russia will inevitably interpret this plan as sign of weakness in Europe but also in US and consequently invitation to conduct further indirect attacks on US interests worldwide.
Totally agree. Amazed at the dislikes. Americans I assume.
Americans of the Tucker Carlson school, that is to say, Americans on the Russian dole- or based on the stilted English of some of the comments here, Russians wearing MAGA hats. The loose rules on the comments here are a blessing and a curse- comments section here has always attracted these folks.
WTH are you talking about? There is no “Tucker Carlson school”. There are, however, tens of millions of Americans who recognize that our “leader” is not honoring his promises to end wars. If MAGA ends as a result of this disgrace so be it. There will still be a movement and I assure you it will not be in the long-term interests of our government (or anyone really) to keep going in this direction.
Your bias precedes you. And ‘stilted English?’
“…refers to a way of speaking or writing that is overly formal, stiff, or unnatural, making it sound awkward or contrived…lacks the smoothness and flow of natural conversation.”
Maybe they are educated?
I always wonder who are the Americans dumb enough to fall for Russian psy ops, but there are always plenty of people making examples of themselves (starting with trump.)
Sure, right! And what would the Ted plan look like? Put the screws to Russia & have them leave Donbas & Crimea? Yeh, Putin will jump all over that.
If this “plan” is accepted say goodbye to the Baltics.
Interesting. Partly true. Consider that the US has lost some global position over the past 30 years. While you might be right, it might simply be that we ARE weaker. Putin, Xi, Saudi, UK, and the rest of the world recognize this already. Maybe it’s us that haven’t accepted it yet?
How, exactly, do you know
“Russia will inevitably interpret this plan as sign of weakness….”
IMO, it might’ve been prepared to test the waters, and send a message to the comedian.
Do Russian people really write this way lol?
Are there other nations where they are ethnically cleansing Russians?
Of course Russia will interpret the weakness of US/NATO as weakness, as will the rest of the world. Just like you interpret drops of rain as rain.
I think Trump has finally grasped the true situation in Ukraine: the Ukrainian army is collapsing. He desperately wants to prevent an American debacle like those in Vietnam or Afghanistan. Therefore, US must withdraw from this quagmire as quickly as possible. If the Europeans want to take it back, that’s fine.
Ukrainian army is ‘collapsing’ from day 1 of this war. But not collapsed to this day to such extent that Russia now need US help to force Ukrainian capitulation.
One fact that disproves Russian propaganda is written right into plan:
Ukraine is required to reduce its military to 600k man. 600k+ is pretty big army for ‘collapsing’ army.
Germany had more than ten times that number in early 1945.
In 2024 the Ukraine government expanded the ages for conscription and from their own figures just 1 in 4 new recruits last year were volunteers and the rest were conscripts.
Once peace comes will NATO continue to give Ukraine tens of billions in arms every year to support a 600,000 man army in a country of under 15 million?
Russia will be making plenty of concessions if it agrees to Trumps deal and how can Russia trust any deal when the West broke previous promises not to expand NATO?
Folk tales about drafting men off the streets, notwithstanding, or numerous Ukrainian men seeking refuge in nearby countries…
What do you not understand about a war of ATTRITION? The outcome is a very weakened nation (Ukraine).
Not reducing to 600k. Limited to 600k.
Smoke and mirrors BS. The Frankist jews have taken over USA and Ukraine and Russia and the EU. Putin is a zionist jew (his mother was jewish and Putin ordained the head rabbi of Russia with Chabad’s blessing) as is Zelensky. Trump is beholden to israel and I believe all his children are married with jews?
The Ukraine war’s MAIN goal was to exterminate as many white Christian males as possible to prepare the return and resurgence of the khazarian turk-jews. Putin could have ended the war in a week. But the goal was to exterminate white Christian males – NOT to win the war.
As for the rest: Trump = Biden
Mish you ought draw a line somewhere, or at least express your own feeling about this kind of content that you’re choosing to host.
Zoo animals help show us just how broad the spectrum of hateful thought is.
We also remember Jonathan Pollard
We remember USS LIBERTY
Why limit any content here? If people cannot see through it, they are either as biased as the author, or mentally challenged.
Drunk on the blood of infidels late night on a Saturday. You seem like you’d make a nice house guest /s
And we’ll never forget the Dancing Israelis on 9/11
What a complete waste of time …. Peace will only come on the battlefield. No amount of US or European sanctions is going to change anything now. It will just screw up global trade further. Trump really wants the U.S. out of this conflict. There will be no peace plan acceptable to RUSSIA …. And while Trump wastes time screwing around ,,, RUSSIA will continue advancing on the battle field until Ukraine is forced to accept all of RUSSIA’s terms of surrender. Europe who is totally unprepared is not willing to accept that there is no way in hell that Ukraine can win this conflict. Europe will collapse trying to start a war with RUSSIA which America will refuse to be drawn into.
2026 will be a year a very difficult year for World and particularly the West.
You are correct. Wars are won on three fronts: 1) As many deaths as possible. 2) As much land grab as possible. And, 3) THE SPOILS (minerals, Oil, Crops, etc. The Romans did it and now we have America. I am American and really am sick to death of all of these Bullshit wars on “Terror” and so on. Pretty soon, someone is gonna cream America and Americans like me are used to the safety of our vast borders and separation from the Traditional Warring Nations: The EU (Portugal, Spain, Germany, etc) and the Middle East.
For many of us who live in Europe, particularly Switzerland we agree and are fed up too … there is a storm coming in Europe the likes of which the Europeans have never seen … the sooner the better …
A lot of drones may be in our future. I can’t believe someone hasn’t sent one for Trump yet. It’s not that I want that, I find it hard to understand why with him making so many enemies one hasn’t acted….yet.
The deal was hardly one-sided, unless you mean terms that favor the U.S. (theft of $100 Billion from Russia for reconstruction to profit U.S. companies). Russia would find these terms unacceptable to them as well, although it’s a step closer towards their position. The problem for Ukraine is that there’s little time for any real negotiation as they are about to lose a lot more territory and as Russia most westward it becomes more likely that additional oblasts will be taken. Once that happens Russia will likely demand more, or go ahead and present terms of surrender.
The King is in an access silo that is randomly interrupted by other voices. Then, his impulsiveness might reverse anything. Ukraine, MTG, Mamdani, everythng is a fleeting illusion on the self-involuted screen of his mind.
Maybe Uniparty Sen. Thom Tillis will take his corrupt behind over there and become cannon fodder, since more than a million dead Ukrainians is not enough for him.
Russia has won this war (fomented by the US ruling class). It is inevitable therefore that the terms will be favorable to them.
On The Enforcer youtube podcast a Grok grammatical analysis of the peace plan appears it is a Russian to English translation document. Still hoping for Cosmic justice to catch up with Trump.
Senator Thom Tillis publicly stated that Marco Rubio told him and a group of other Senators that the document was not produced in the US and handed to the US. Rubio later had to go on X or TS and state that it was indeed a US produced document.
Zelensky‘s, as well as the majority of Ukrainians’, first language is Russian. Just saying.
Traitors like Mitch McConnell and the utterly evil traitor Mike Pompeo, who is on the team that tried to kill Trump in July 2024, released twitter posts saying blah blah we must keep killing all the males in Ukraine
The question is does Trump control the Executive Branch or not. I rather doubt he does
We will find out fairly shortly
Everyone understands we don’t speak English like this in America, correct?
Through lenient moderation, Mish is platforming Russian voices here. We should openly state that we’re aware of it. I understand the lassaiz-faire approach to moderation and respect it, but one of the negative side effects is that we cannot trust people are actually what they present themselves as.
Every time the topic here touches on Russia, the sock puppets come out of the woodwork with the fake Anglican names.
Funny!
Retarded
Trump’s (Chamberlainian) peace plan is a betrayal of all values this country stands for. Let’s hope there is a revolt of the few true conservatives left in the Republican party.
Ignorant people criticise Chamberlain but he knew a war was coming and was playing for time to enable Britain to prepare. Think of the improvements in radar, sonar and fighter planes Britain had between 1938 and the end of 1939
A majority of readers here and elsewhere NEVER study history. Thanks, Neal.
See my comment above
Right. Trump’s peace-betrayal plan will buy the Ukrainians time to develop a super drone …
Show us the hard ceiling on your intellect without saying the words
I am afraid this site is infested by Russian bots.
Almost all of the UK’s preparedness leading up to WWII was due to Churchill’s prodding and pushing.
Now you[‘re talking science, might as well hold up a cross and garlic
Yeah…. Tell that to the Sudetenland….I’m sure they would cozy up to your ignorance.
You are the ignorant one. Obviously you don’t know European history.
Go watch some football. Ease your mind
At the current pace of land acquisition, it will take Russia several hundred years to take all of Ukraine … In the last year, especially in the last several months, Ukraine has been taking a real toll on Russian infrastructure, oil production, and economy with its domestically produced war entities. Also in the last year Europe has been doing the heavy lifting in providing aide for Ukraine; America now gives transactional loans rather hand-outs, the former of which has the backing of 2-300 billion dollar equivalents of frozen Russian assets – held mostly in Brussels. The value of the US dollar for the next 30 years in part depends on America’s promises made in the 1994 Budapest accords; its steadfast standing with Europe and Britain to not appease Russian aggression as Chamberlain exactly did with Germany in the 30’s, and its strong treaties with its allies – prior to the 2025 tariff/foreign policies debacle/anomaly. I think Rubio, the one few competent cabinet members, knows this.
I m not sure I consider Rubio one of the most competent cabinet member. He is the one leading the effort to start a war with Venezuela in hopes of ultimately bringing down Cuba as well. And Gaza is getting messier by the day with no real plan being put in place. (Notice lack of commitment from MBS this week) Meanwhile Israeli continue to attack Palestinians on the West Bank. Trump was simply giving Isreal time to finish the job under the guise of a ceasefire that has lots of cracks
Points well taken..
I also prefer my Congress people to be intelligent AND not offering Blowjobs to people around them.
“Rubio one of the most competent cabinet member” If true, what does that say about the others. A cabinet full of clowns, nincompoops and criminals.
The plan is not to take all of Ukraine. If it was, there would be a front line over all of Ukraine and not just the provinces that Russia wants that contain Russian people. That people still misunderstand after more than 2 years is amazing.
As for those loans backed by Russian assets. Its crazy to be spending that money on more arms. The fact Europe supports that idea too is crazy. When this war does end, where do people think the money to rebuild Ukraine is going to come from? Those assets could be used to rebuild Ukraine. If they are spent on bombs and bullets then who is going to pay to rebuild Ukraine (hint: US and European tax payers). Unless you want to pay to rebuild Ukraine you should not support spending that money on arms for Ukraine.
Listening to the Russian sock puppet accounts here it’s easy to forget the fuel lines in Russia and the tens or hundreds of thousands of dead Russian men. Russia is emptying her prisons to feed the carnage and going begging for second rate shells from North Korea… Hardly the actions of a first world military….
Congratulations.
You have reproduced many of the talking points of MSM propaganda.
You don’t need a red pill, you need a bo”le of them.
Woowee, hit a nerve with the Russian Bots … hey Bots, the Russians didn’t do that well with the Chamberlain equivalent 1939 Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact …
I think we all know by now that Trump isn’t going to end the Ukraine war much less any war. No Nobel prize for you sleepy Don. It’s pretty obvious that Trump is a lame duck impotent president at this point.
Marjorie is leaving Congress in January and possibly trying to take over the MAGA movement.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resign-trump-epstein-mtg.html
Meanwhile, Nick Fuentes is torching MAGA so there is definitely one huge fragmentation happening in the republican party. There’s old MAGA (Trump), new MAGA (MTG/Nick/Tucker/Youth), the RINOs and these seem split into various factions.
I don’t think MTG will win the presidency but she can certainly take enough votes away and split the vote.
@Mish – How about a post on the post Trump presidency? I need to know for profit positioning and how many cases of popcorn to order for the show!
MTG running for president, now that’s a Mish Hoot of the Day. Good thing she waited long enough to qualify for her federal pension. Sounds very well timed.
Have fun cozying up to Fuentes who has the ear of the white male under 30 crowd, but there’s no denying he’s a white nationalist.
Tucker will never run for president.
Fuentes is a worry. Young men have the energy of youth and, with their current economic circumstances, a formidable potential force for him to wield.
Trump is either a conscious or unconscious Russian agent.
the MIC will keep on using amerikan treasury to fight to the last ukraine man woman and child. please think about the C suite fellas, during this thanksgiving.
<<Bonus question: Is any Trump deal ever final?>>
If I were Trump, I wouldn’t like it as political cost.
But from the point of a viewer, I like it. Because it reveals the counter-arguments, other possible scenarios, and some elasticity. Something that was not prevailing in the past when all deals were final (and resulted to more wars).
Counter question:
Is any agreement with America ever anything but a ruse to enable perfidy?
Some top Republicans condemned the proposal as appeasement to Russian President Vladimir Putin . . . aka Thom Tillis, RINO / TDS infused / On His Way Out The Door GOP Senator
Look, we all know Z’s not going to agree to the deal. I’m not sure what a more middle of the road deal would look like, but Trump rightly leans towards Putin appeasement. Whether you like it or not, Putin has taken over 89% on Donbas & that territory isn’t going back to Ukraine without some sort of miracle. As such, there will not be any deal unless it leans towards Russia, which means Ukraine gives up territory that mostly wanted to be under Russian control anyway.
Leaving Crimea aside, this nearly 4-year war is over territory that mostly leans towards Russia. It would be like 90% of conservatives moving out of Californication over the next 10 years and then the US fighting a civil war over trying to keep them as part of the USA. That’s crazy!
It’s been going on so long nobody knows just how much $ members of Congress, various Ukrainians, and the defense contractors have laundered by now. Nobody wants the raid on the Treasury to end, so it won’t until the last Ukrainian is grabbed off the street.
this war has been lost for Ukraine for two yrs now, and the victor of any Civil war sets the terms, or the destruction continues. This could have ended a couple years ago, but Boris the idiot Johnson flew there and told Zelensky he had his back, so keep fighting…madness.
Are you saying the Ukrainian people were ready to surrender two years ago? I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
Of course.
Ukrainian people have no say. They elected a clown who said he would bring peace to the civil war (the so-called ATO), but was instead called out by the Nazi death cult installed in control of government by the US.
And which Ukrainian people do you mean? Those coal-miners from the Donbas that have been in the spearhead of every important battle? And who have performed five or so unbelievable infiltration stunts with tunnels/pipelines? [Avdiivka; Niu York; Toretsk; Kursk; Kupiansk]. Those who have held or tried to hold referenda on independence in Crimea, the LDNR, Mariupol, Odessa, Karkhiv?
Ukraine could have resolved this easily with minimal concessions to the Russian peoples within their borders, but were led down the primrose path by their MI6 and CIA minders.
While sometimes, he is merely reversing poor decisions, taco almost always capitulates. These is not characteristic of successful decisions made by competent and experienced leaders.
TACO strikes again.
Trump’s Devastating Plan for Ukraine
Trump’s Dreadful Peace Plan for Ukraine – The Atlantic
And what does the Atlantic propose? Keep on fighting till the bitter end when Russia runs over the whole of Ukraine? Ukraine should have cut their losses 2 years ago. It’s only going to get worse.
I’m sure if Canada attacked Maine you’d want to surrender cause you know, someone could get hurt.
Russia was a small and weak economy before the invasion, and even more so now. Russia’s military industrial complex cannot provide sufficient weaponry and ammunition to fight in Ukraine without the help of North Korea and Iran. Russia does not have an unlimited number of fighting-age men, and that is why they have North Korean soldiers fighting on the frontlines. Do all of these signs of weakness point to that of an invisible aggressor?
The Atlantic Council is composed entirely of evil traitors who we would all be better off if they ceased to exist
It’s a magazine you stool,lol
Context is hard from another continent 😂
What would you expect from Mockingbird Media mouthpiece, ‘The Atlantic’? We already knew where the Neocons/CIA stood.