Trump Statement Comparing the Flu to Covid
Please consider Fresh out of Walter Reed, Trump compares Covid to the flu. Experts say he’s flat wrong.
Twitter corrected Trump but Facebook removed it completely.
It is ridiculous to asset the Flu is more lethal than Covid. Yet, there is the claim.
But let’s assume you are silly enough to believe it.
The Tweet is still ridiculous because a majority of people disagree with Trump over Covid.
It cannot help Trump politically to make a claim people overwhelmingly disagree with.
Trump Rejects a New Stimulus Deal, Will Not Even Negotiate
Also today, I noted Trump Rejects a New Stimulus Deal, Will Not Even Negotiate
Flying Into A Brick Wall
Trump is like a bird flying repeatedly into a brick wall.
Cardinals actually do this, not with brick walls, but with reflecting globes.
They will fight their own reflection, attempting to drive it off.
Mish
Turns out that according to WHO themselves, Trump is unbelievably correct. Today they ball-parked total of global population likely infected to this point at 10%. In other words, 780 million. Fatality rate is actually miniscule at 1.04M deaths about the same as the seasonal flu. Just waaay more infectious. It’s not particularly dangerous, but its operating with a compressed time frame. That’s the difficulty there.
Zero Hedge: “Over six thousand scientists and doctors have signed a petition against coronavirus lockdown measures, urging that those not in the at risk category should be able to get on with their lives as normal, and that lockdown rules in both the US and UK are causing ‘irreparable damage’.”
I just saw a Youtube video Denninger posted, of an interview with a California doctor who treated 1,700 Covid patients with HCQ and zinc, without a single fatality. Only one patient wound up in the hospital.
Here’s some background on this. Of course, CNN’s current resident bimbo, Brianna Keilar, has been dredging up their own MD’s this morning to call people who signed this document “irresponsible”, who want to “kill” more people, etc. [lol]
The Great Barrington Declaration and Its Critics
Jenin Younes
– October 7, 2020
Early this week, three of the world’s top epidemiologists published the Great Barrington Declaration, a short treatise that advocates a controversial approach to managing the coronavirus pandemic. Professors Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, Sunetra Gupta of Oxford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University argue that societies across the globe should reopen immediately and completely.
Instead of observing measures designed to slow the spread of the virus, the young and healthy should resume normal activity in order to incur herd immunity and thereby protect those vulnerable to severe illness. The authors urge the adoption of this strategy, which they call “Focused Protection,” in light of increasing evidence that “current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. . . Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.”
As of this writing, the Declaration has been signed by 3,089 other medical and public health scientists, 4,532 medical practitioners, and around 70,000 members of the general public.
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Don’t be a mindless dummy…
Under 20 years old, CV and flu have similar death rates (not lower!!
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In all other age groups it is many multiples of the flu death rates–up to 14 times
I know you don’t like facts, but having facts makes you look like not a dummy…
His call to end stimulus negotiations followed this morning by calls to negotiate smaller packages such as a new demand for billions for airlines….
This guy needs to go back to Walter Reed, he is out of his mind.
The republicans in congress MUST be ready to dump him right? Because they are the ones that will pay for this clownshow with lost seats. Billions for corporarations and nothing for American people who are going hungry and homeless.
And those on Twitter still defending him last night, there are not as many as there once were, said they stood with him because they do not want to see the federal government bailing out the blue state budget deficits. I know there are some here that believe thise right wing meme as well.
So I pointed out the FACT that most of the states that pay more revenue in to the federal government than they get back are BLUE states. And I pointed out listing as I went the states that get back more than the revenues they pay in are nearly all RED! The welfare red states are a drain on the federal budget and maybe it is they who should have relif funds withheld.
California is their favorite target for slashing federal money as if Californians are not Americans. In fact California has an economy that is 6th in the world in size and is the engine that keeps the American economy going. I would like to see scholarly work done to show what the US economy would look like without California.
In fact California has an investment grade bond rating, the only state that is in the B category is (Mish knows this one, he just left it) IL. Of the 11 states that get the MOST back from the federal government for what they pay in all 11 are red states except NM. Of the top 15 states for getting the least back for what they pay in almost all are blue.
So this game of blaming blue states is just more republican BS! I am telling you right now to be very careful what you wish for because if you keep lying about this the response may well be a constitutional amendment that requires all federal spending in the states to be equal on a per capita basis, and the welfare red states are not going to like that at all because they will get less money and blue states which are more heavily taxed will get more. In fact I am all for it, let’s have a flat tax where people AK, LA, and KY pay the exact same amount is as in NJ, CA, and NY. And also get equal amounts back. See if the red states like that!
The real question is why are the GOP blocking relief? They know these facts and are using a lie to block aid to people while demanding corporate bailouts.
Pelosi and the democrats are right to follow this strategy, if the right wants corporate bailouts they have to negotiate in good faith for democratic priorities as well and if the right will not negotiate in good faith then there will be no relief for anyone and the voters can decide in 3 weeks whethere they want the dem HeroesAct that may be spends a little too much, or the GOP non plan that just delivers instant slush funds to selected industries. Industries that can borrow at pretty much zero percent interest now.
Frankly I can see where this ends. It ends in the break up of the US because the left is just not going to put up with more fascist bullshit. It is very near to being finished.
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Comparisons of income and prosperity with party lines are tenuous at best, since they don’t identify cause and effect. Are states more prosperous because they are blue? Or are states blue because they are prosperous? Also, this is a fairly recent trend. As recently at 2008, the average income of red congressional districts was about the same, or slightly higher than the average income of blue congressional districts. These things tend to ebb and flow over time, not remain constant.
At best we can say that at this particular time, Democrat areas are higher income than Republican areas. I attribute that more to Trump than anything else. He has turned the Republican Party into the anti-science, anti-intellectual party. It will take the Republican Party a very long time to recover from, if they ever do.
Carl, does it matter if blue states are properous because they are blue or blue because they are prosperous? Why would that matter? The point is that red states are materially worse off than blue states, and blue states are richer than red states.
If you can be a poor but proud red neck why can’t you be a poor but reasonable live and let live person? I think what it all boils down to is education, the blue states have a far better educated population and education correlates very closely with both liberal attitudes and with higher income. The lower your education level the lower your income and the more likely you are to be angry all the time at democrats.
Trump’s real base is among uneducated white males. They are the same people who understand the least about economics, thus willing to vote for politicians who do not support ending poverty. Republicans. Their own poverty just reinforces their anger and hate/jealousy. So they just keep obstinately voting against their own economic interest.
Mish wrote: “‘Forget about a new stimulus bill before the election.’ Politically, this was a bad move by Trump, even if you agree with his reasons. Republicans will take the blame.”
I think you may be missing the deeper political motivations behind what’s happening . . . .
Trump supporters — and perhaps some Independents — will believe that the Democrats don’t want a stimulus bill passed before the election, because passing a bill would help Trump. Democrats pretend to negotiate, but will never agree to anything in order to make Trump look bad. And the failure to pass a bill will work on some voters.
But those voters that understand the deeper motivations of the Democrats will see that Trump has made a smart move in postponing the stimulus negotiations.
Sorry man, but Trump owns that one! Even if the Dems were there in bad faith the truth is that he unilaterally said “no stimulus before the election” As dumb moves go this is got to be one of the most spectacular poitical own goal I’ve seen. I gather its because 2/3 of the WH staff is down with Covid…
Trump and the federal government didn’t close anything down, so why should he be responsible for stimulus?
It was the state governor’s and/or the captive health officers that issued the lockdown orders, so seems to me that states should be responsible for their own stimulus.
(to Jojo as well): As other posters noted, this one is on Trump himself. If he just continued to accept the negotiation process, you could have made an argument that there was fault on either side. In this case, he framed it as a unilateral decision that HE made. Fault, by his own admission, lies with him.
Mish wrote:”It is ridiculous to asset the Flu is more lethal than Covid. Yet, there is the claim.”
But Trump did NOT say that “Flu is more lethal than Covid”.
What Trump said was, “in most populations far less lethal”, which is true.
“What Trump said was, “in most populations far less lethal”, which is true.”
How is this true? It is certainly NOT true for most age-related population cohorts. The lethality is about the same to much, much higher depending on age of the cohort. I suppose you could cherry pick populations that nominally work for this statement, but that would seem to be disingenuous at the very least.
How will COVID-19 affect the coming flu season? Scientists struggle for clues
By Kelly Servick
Aug. 14, 2020
In March, as the Southern Hemisphere braced for winter flu season while fighting COVID-19, epidemiologist Cheryl Cohen and colleagues at South Africa’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD) set up a plan to learn from the double whammy. They hoped to study interactions between seasonal respiratory viruses and SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19. Does infection with one change a person’s risk of catching the other? How do people fare when they have both?
But the flu season—and the answers—never came. NICD’s Centre for Respiratory Disease and Meningitis, which Cohen leads, has logged only a single flu case since the end of March. In previous years, the country’s surveillance platforms have documented, on average, about 700 cases during that period, Cohen says. “We’ve been doing flu surveillance since 1984, and it’s unprecedented.”
Its pretty freakin obvious for anyone with half a brain. All of the hygenic stuff we are doing will eliminate the flu because it hs a far lower R0, less contagious, than Covid
Exactly. This isn’t surprising. Colds should be way down, too.
As another data point, Singapore earlier reported that during their peak flu season, they had no cases at all, at least at the time I saw the report.
Trump said: Covid … in most populations far [] less lethal [than flu]
Is that true? Well yes, up until about 40 years of age flu/Covid have similar mortality.
If we look at the CDC numbers, it lists 35 ‘Covid involved’ deaths for the 0-5 cohort, but for flu the number is 477 and 802 for the 2018-19 and 2014-15 seasons respectively.
Age cohorts are hard to line up in the CDC data because the groups are not orthogonal. But it lists 429 ‘Covid involved’ deaths for <25. For the flu, this number is 477 and 803 for the <18 cohort in 2018-19 and 2014-15 seasons respectively.
For 0-19 the Covid IFR is 0.003%; for flu the value is 0.0124% and 0.0067% for the 0-4 and 5-17 cohorts respectively (imputed, 2014-2015 season).
Dying at 1 forfeits 924 months of statistical life expectancy; dying at 78 (median age for ‘Covid involved’ deaths as well as general mortality) forfeits none.
http://www.cdc.gov /nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
http://www.cdc.gov /coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
http://www.cdc.gov /flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
http://www.cdc.gov /flu/about/burden/2014-2015.html
Nice to see someone posting real numbers instead of making stuff up. There is no hope for any kind of conversation that makes sense when you have people out there just making up what they want to believe. That includes Scott Atlas, who was reciting mortality numbers that were obviously false.
And yes, for the under 25 group, the mortality has been far less than the flu, for 25-40 it is comparable, and for over 40 it is much, much higher. As far as the lasting damage it causes, much of that will not be known for a long time.
You are very wrong about one thing, however. You say that dying at 78 forfeits no life expectancy. Actually, a male age 78 has a life expectancy of 9.43 years, while a female aged 78 has a life expectancy of 10.98 years.
Not saying that nobody lives beyond 78. Your statistical life expectancy is measured from birth, not from your current age. Your chances go down once you contract pneumonia, but that is a different risk/statistic than for everyone. Otherwise everybody who dies at 78 would be forfeiting 9.43 years, but then the probability distribution will not add up. The median individual is a statistical variable, not a real person.
I used actuarial tables, which is what they use to price life insurance policies and annuities. When you are born, your life expectancy is 76.04 for males, and 80.99 for females. Each year you age, your expected years remaining go down, but by less than 1. For males, the total life expectancy is:
Age 0=76.04
Age 10=76.65
Age 20=76.91
Age 30=77.72
Age 40=78.59
Age 50=79.69
Age 60=81.61
Age 70=84.40
Age 80=88.34
Age 90=94.08
Age 100=102.13
Note that by the time you are 70, each year you live you gain 0.4 years of extra life expectancy, partially offsetting the one you used.
Enjoy life, and never feel like there is a finite lifespan. Have a good attitude, stay active, keep your mind active, and keep learning new things, and you can outlive your expectancy by a wide margin.
Trump has renewed vigor from his fetal stem cell treatment of Regeneron.
I’ll wait to hear the public outcry from the religious right & conservatives as long as I’d…….bored waiting for something that will never come already.
The president is now seemingly trying to back pedal on his earlier announcement that he was shutting down COVID relief package negotiations …https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1313663753259540483
Renewed PPP, extended PUA and a $1200 stimulus payment to individuals as stand-alones have been on the table for a while. They’ve been referring to it as the “skinny bill.” It was McConnell’s preference because he knows he has the votes for it.
Pelosi has made clear that she’s not interested in the skinny bill, she wants all-or-nothing, and her “all” includes “equity” provisions, state pension bailouts and plenty of non-COVID spending. The House Democrats pretended to meet in the middle by cutting from $3.4 TRILLION to $2.2 TRILLION — but really all they did for that cut was to cut the duration of the funding.
Pelosi currently playing a wicked game of hard-ball over state pension funds.
The covid 19 death toll is the same as the Asian Flu in 1957. 650/million. don’t believe me. Look it up. This covid 19 thing started in November of 2019, so when November 2020 comes up, do we start calling it covid 20? Flu changes every year and there are several strains of the covid virus. Every one of them has the potency to kill, some more than others depending on co-morbidities. BTW, how many flu cases were there from February on this year? My wife and I cannot find the count and we have followed the flu cases for years now. I do wonder, however, if Trump was told by the PTB to politically dig his own grave?
Corona viruses are remarkably stable. Slight changes in the nucleotides do not always change the enzymes, and small changes in the enzymes do not necessarily change function or recognition. Influenza and corona viridae are quite different. The mutation fear comes from films.
Exactly, Webej. The reason we keep getting the cold type coronaviruses is not because they change, but rather because our body isn’t concerned about them, and forgets them.
Can we stop with the “flu has more deaths” stupidity?
From the good ol’ days when there were only 60,000 deaths–well over 215,000 now IN 7 effn months.
Stop being so low info that you believe this this type of BS
We are not done. The worst months are likely to be December-March 2021. My guess is that we end up between 400-600,000, hopefully at the lower end.
Yes, but the flu deaths occur each and every year while Covid-19 will likely peter out just as Covid-Sars-1 and MERS did.
What makes you think that Covid19 will drop off? A serious question – the reason I ask is that SARS1 and MERS never really made it across the globe in the same way that Covid19 has. This makes me think that there will likely always be a reservoir for it.
All of this pales in comparison to one incontrovertible fact. Trump has lost support among seniors a key demographic that propelled him to victory in 2016. And Covid-19 is undeniable the key factor
National and swing-state polls in the last week show an exodus among voters 65 and older from Trump to Biden, an alarming sign for the president after NBC News exit polls showed he won that crucial Republican-leaning cohort by 8 points in 2016.
A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found Biden leading Trump by 14 points, his largest advantage ever in the survey. Among seniors 65 and older, Biden led by a startling 27 points, marking a 23-point swing in his direction in one month.
It’s a Forrest Gump moment,…”STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.”
The Trumposaurous strikes again.
MSM headlines 4 weeks from now: YOU’RE FIRED!
When someone surrounds himself with yes men, and then ends up on steroids that affect his thinking, sometimes things veer off the rails, because there is no one to correct the course.
I have a friend who is an Emergency Department Director at the VA in SF and he has told me that Flu has more deaths than Covid
My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.
I have a this black friend…
Ahhh, over what time frame? Yes the flu has been way more deadly than SARS-COV2 over the entire recorded history, but it’s had a little head start. /s
While I appreciate your post, reader2006, most of the folks here will ignore or belittle any info that does not support their believes, namely that covid-19 is super-deadly, despite any actual numbers.
where are the numbers you speak?
btw, did you know 74.3975189% of all quoted statistics are made up on the spot? it’s true and a scientific fact, just ask anyone.
FDR once said: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Instead of spreading fear the politicians should show confidence and leadership, and the Trump showed both. Mish may not like it (for whatever reasons), but Trump actually handled his infection in the best possible way.
“Trump actually handled his infection in the best possible way.”
Which part did you like best? Was it his little joyride in a sealed SUV, potentially exposing his SS agents? Or maybe it was going back to the WH and taking off his mask and walking around posing for photos while presumably still infectious (and while he should be in isolation)? Or maybe getting his docs to have a presser to lie for him?
A positive attitude is no excuse for his reckless behaviour and disregard for the health and safety of those around him.
trump is foolish and as a result, may not survive his infection. his labored breathing following his self discharge could mean the worse is yet to come for him.
Unbelievable! Absolutely unbelievable. We have 4% of the world’s population and 20% of the deaths. He lied about how serious it was, and is still encouraging people not to take it seriously, or take common sense measures like masks and distancing. And this is “the best possible way”? Lying is leadership?
4% to 20% is a meaningless comparison. You cannot compare countries with different population densities, political systems, healthcare systems, social mores, etc.
Well said, Thanks
Have you ever seen a true leader “warrior” who made a mark in history stupidly charge in to the frontlines? FDR quote you put as an example of leadership is said for the ‘unknown’ at the time for the economy. Knowing covid19 is about 5 times more deadly than common flue is not fear but knowledge to protect yourself by wearing mask and social distancing. So quite a word play you try to spin on things. I really wonder how he would do if he did not get the steroid shoots -and how those shoots are affecting his state of mind given his strange behavior towards 2nd stimulus package-. I laughed when I read “Trump actually handled his infection in the best possible way”. Really? A doctor supposed to be person of science has been forced to avoid basic questions on his condition is “best handling”. At least he was not as good liar as his patient so it was obvious from his choice of words.
Here is scenario, not likely, but can explain your claim based on the death rate for covid19 is being about 5 times of common flue. If they had 1000 flue patiences and 100 covid19, then flue death will be around 10 (1% death rate) vs. 5 for covid19 (5% death rate). Now there is a lot of dispute about “cause’ of deaths counted on covid19 column since it kills people with more complications with their health. But then I have not heard anyone disputing AIDS deaths since it was not the virus killed the patient, they died of some other cause since body became so weak to defend itself.
It is ridiculous to “asset” the Flu is more lethal than Covid. Yet, there is the claim.
Assess
The Tweet is still ridiculous because a majority of people disagree with Trump over Covid.
Or the facts don’t support the claim is what i’d say.
“assert”
even better.
Trump is sick with Covid, probably has Covid pneumonia, he’s behind in the polls, hates losing and perhaps in fear of prosecution. Given his history I’d be shocked if he was thinking straight.
“Just a reminder that we are paying for Trump’s healthcare as he gets COVID treatment. All while he doesn’t pay taxes. Yet, when 80% of Americans want to pay for their own healthcare through their own taxes, they’re called lazy freeloaders.” —— Bernie Sanders
This fool is gonna screw around and die of this, and his cult will be baying for blood over his ‘murder’ by the deep state.
Wait, Trump agrees with Powell?!?!
New tweet!! Trumps says Powell , need for more stimulus is “true”!!
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
True!
CNBC Now
@CNBCnow
BREAKING: Fed Chair Powell calls for more help from Congress, says there’s a low risk of ‘overdoing it’
Now 25 tweets in a row on Paul Sperry spew…
Someone should take away his phone and tell him to get some rest…
45 tweets in the last two hours
Someone must have gotten their dexamethasone
I think Powell agrees with Trump. Some weeks ago Trump told Republicans to raise the stimulus amount.