Trump Will Take Greenland the ‘Easy Way’ or the ‘Hard Way’ by Force

Trump wants Greenland. So he will take it.

Whether They Like It or Not

“We are going to do something on Greenland whether they like it or not.”

The Easy Way or the Hard Way

Bloomberg reports Trump Says He’ll Get Deal on Greenland, ‘Easy Way’ or ‘Hard Way’

“I would like to make a deal, you know, the easy way. But if we don’t do it the easy way, we’re going to do it the hard way,” Trump told reporters Friday at the White House.

Asked if he was considering making a financial offer to the people of the island to entice them to join the US, Trump said he was “not talking about money for Greenland yet.”

“I might talk about that, but right now, we are going to do something on Greenland, whether they like it or not,” he said.

Trump’s Greenland Grab Triggers Incredulity Then Rattles Europe

Also consider Trump’s Greenland Grab Triggers Incredulity Then Rattles Europe

Never mind that the self-ruling territory is already part of the Kingdom of Denmark, a committed US ally, and secured through the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, a transatlantic military alliance the US itself helped found and effectively leads. It should be theirs.

Europe is paralyzed.

Not only do officials have no set strategy to address Trump’s threats, they concede they don’t understand what Trump wants and aren’t sure how to improve things. Yet they know they still need the US, despite the once-steady ally growing increasingly hostile.

Even if the US backs off, Trump’s willingness to use military threats against long-standing allies lays bare a painful new reality: European attempts to appease Trump are failing, raising ominous parallels with the wars that tore Europe apart last century. 

Greenland’s Response

Greenland’s Lawmakers tell Trump No Amount of Money Can Buy Greenland

There’s no sum of money from Donald Trump that would persuade Greenlanders to join the US, two Greenlandic lawmakers in the Danish parliament said, underscoring opposition that spans the territory’s political landscape.

Any attempt by the US president to entice the Arctic island with cash is doomed to fail and only risks pushing Greenlanders further away, said Aaja Chemnitz, one of two Greenland representatives in the Danish legislature, where she chairs the committee focused on the territory’s affairs.

Trump administration officials have discussed sending direct payments to the island’s residents in an effort to lure them to break away from Denmark and join the US, Reuters reported. The amounts under discussion ranged from $10,000 to $100,000 per person, according to the report.

“No amount of money can buy our national soul,” Chemnitz said in an interview in Copenhagen on Friday. “It’s disrespectful to think that you can buy a people. What use is a one-off payment when your entire foundation is being torn away?

Pushing Greenland further away has already happened.

Greenland was on the verge of breaking away from Denmark in the last election. Instead, Trump talking like a madman dictator swayed the vote for closer ties.

Going to War with NATO

“It’s insane we have to explain this to him [Trump] and the American public. But understand that’s where we’re at right now.”

I Support this Message

https://twitter.com/PrezLives2022/status/2009626657964122283?s=20

Reflections on Location

Illegal Orders

Representative Ted Lieu just drew a crystal clear red line, and it matters more than most people seem to realize. “If any military member, from the generals on down, participates in using force against Greenland without congressional authorization, they are following illegal orders.” That is not rhetoric. That is the law.

The US had Boats in Greenland 500 Years Ago

Was this on your Bingo Card?

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Wednesday that he planned to discuss a U.S. acquisition of Greenland with Danish officials next week. 

Denmark should respond: “F*ck Off” . They should not even entertain Rubio until the US changes its message.

More accurately, Rubio should resign. He is a disgrace along with Tulsi Gabbard.

Senator Murkowski Speaks Out

Anchorage Daily News reports Trump and Murkowski spar over Venezuela and Greenland

President Donald Trump lashed out at Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski and four other Republican senators on Thursday, blasting what he called their “stupidity” and saying they should not be reelected after they helped advance a resolution that would constrain his power to use additional military force in Venezuela without congressional approval.

Murkowski, in turn, took to the Senate floor to argue against the idea of the U.S. taking control of Greenland, something the president and members of his administration have increasingly called for after U.S. special operation forces struck Caracas on Saturday, capturing Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro.

The public clash is the latest face-off between Trump and Murkowski, who voted to convict Trump on charges of “incitement of insurrection” over the Jan. 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol, and has drawn his ire for years when she breaks ranks with Republicans and the president.

Murkowski, co-chair of the Senate Arctic Caucus, said in her floor speech on Thursday that “increasingly aggressive rhetoric from the Trump administration and some members of Congress” aimed at annexing Greenland by force or coercion is “profoundly troubling.”

“There is no reason to treat long-standing allies with such a profound lack of respect,” Murkowski said. “We are talking about the people of Greenland, not to them. The people of Greenland are watching us, and we are not winning them over by treating them as if they were subjects rather than partners. This approach alienates Greenland, Denmark, and many of our allies in Europe, while setting a dangerous example for Russia and China.”

“Mr. President, we have much ahead of us in 2026,” Murkowski said. “Taking — or buying — Greenland should not be on that list. I urge a reset in how these discussions are conducted.”

Murkowski said she met with Greenland Prime Minister Jens-Frederik Nielsen recently, who said Greenland is eager to talk to the U.S. if it’s interested in national security or critical minerals. She said that Denmark Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has suggested that a larger U.S. military presence in Greenland is a conversation worth having, if that’s what the U.S. wants, along with talks on trade, tourism and economic cooperation.

“Every one of our strategic goals can be accomplished with Greenland as a partner rather than a possession,” she said.

“This is the 21st century. The United States should be setting the example for a rules-based global order, not undermining it by disregarding the sovereignty of others,” she said.

I am thoroughly disgusted there is not a 100 percent immediate rebuke in the Senate of this “I want Greenland so I will just take it” attitude.

And there should be enough votes to override any veto.

Instead, only a handful are speaking up.

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Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago

If you are wondering, why Greenland? It has strategic importance. This is from daily reckoning–see Gold, Guns, and Greenland, by Byron King.
The link below is a polar view. The circles represent missile defense coverage given attacks from China or Russia.

https://images.ctfassets.net/vha3zb1lo47k/2xNBAnxDuPOxEdFGI0hmzW/ebc0c66f32c0e6f876c8629512961ea3/mr-issue-01-13-26-img-8.jpg

Jim
Jim
1 month ago

We could compensate Greenlanders with parts of Oklahoma.

Peace
Peace
1 month ago

Latest Genocide in GAZA for 27 months now. Nobody is helping.
To stop genocide EVERT SOCIAL MEDIA are our weapons.
Repeat the following:

Every first Sunday on every month
March for FREE PALESTINE.

Don’t thumb up but repeat yourself on every social media.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  Peace

[ROTFLOL] You don’t understand the meaning of the words you use. Go back to school kiddo.

Kid
Kid
1 month ago

Arguably, some power(s) will be taking hold of Greenland sooner or later – one way or another. Given this prediction, what is the US to do?

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

like the mobsters. gun to head and sell your house or business on the cheap. amerika runs a gangster empire.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

Denmark should send “colonists” to this new world piece of real estate to secure it for their future!

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

If it comes to WW3, you will wish the USA had control of Greenland.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  Flingel Bunt

I doubt this.

Stu
Stu
1 month ago

Hmm… Denmark & Greenland Envoys Both heading to the Whitehouse?

Stu
Stu
1 month ago
Reply to  Stu

Terms? Trump has to STFU First… The Military talk is upsetting, and rightfully so. They do however, wish to sit down and discuss serious proposals on the matter.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago

Scariest day in amerika to me was when the Ds and Rs were on steps of the Federal Hall building across from NYSE right after 9.11.01.   singing patriotic war songs arm and arm together.  D and R uniparty of warmongering imperialists. put down the little blue versus red pro wrestling game for a spell.   I’m just shocked that people think any of this is new.  Since at least Teddy Roosevelt blew up the USS Maine in Cuba………….

John CB
John CB
1 month ago

Yes, “only a handful are speaking up.” I have trouble believing there is nothing left of the non-interventionist, America-first Republican party. Why hasn’t half the Cabinet headed for the exits? And when the mid-terms pose this choice–war-mongering lunacy or socialist lunacy–what do we do?

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  John CB

why? easy answer. vast majority of amerikans love it. this ain’t anything new. trump just says what is going on outloud and doesn’t pretend. he speaks like the ruling class in 1800s until ww2. WE ARE AN EMPIRE. used to be acknowledged by anyone with half a brain. the modern amerikans are imperialists but too stupid to know it. or not truthsful

John CB
John CB
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

Horseshit. I don’t pretend to know what “the vast majority” of Americans think. Your term “amerikans” tells a lot more about you than about anyone else.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  John CB

oooooh. sweetie, you got me. Imagine having voted for obama or trump or biden or clinton or bush or raygun crime families.  I cannot.  Seems absurd for any thinking man 

John CB
John CB
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

Oooh, twatie. If you’re saying you haven’t voted in a U.S. presidential election–not for the Republicans or the Democrats–I wonder about your pretended interest in U.S. affairs. If you’re a citizen, where did your votes go?

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  John CB

libertarian and greens for fed offices. same as i vote in italia. i am assuming you are a bootlicker and vote the uniparty warmongering imperialists who are gonna bankrupt themselves. enjoy the ride. seen this play out in russia in 90s. made out nicely there, too.

David
David
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

I can’t remember the old saying, paraphrasing it but
An old republican is a democrat that got mugged.

I am starting to think a libertarian is someone to embarrassed to admit his family voted democrat for the last 25 years.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  John CB

He might be serving time? Who knows?

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

Drivel: To talk stupidly or childishly.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

You really have no idea. Your opinion is yours. It might be right, or not.. Report actual survey results or STFU.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago

What other weapons might we have to use against Greenland?
—-
Mike Netter
@nettermike
8:21 PM · Jan 9, 2026

This account from a Venezuelan security guard loyal to Nicolás Maduro is absolutely chilling—and it explains a lot about why the tone across Latin America suddenly changed.

Security Guard: On the day of the operation, we didn’t hear anything coming. We were on guard, but suddenly all our radar systems shut down without any explanation. The next thing we saw were drones, a lot of drones, flying over our positions. We didn’t know how to react.

Interviewer: So what happened next? How was the main attack?

Security Guard: After those drones appeared, some helicopters arrived, but there were very few. I think barely eight helicopters. From those helicopters, soldiers came down, but a very small number. Maybe twenty men. But those men were technologically very advanced. They didn’t look like anything we’ve fought against before.

Interviewer: And then the battle began?

Security Guard: Yes, but it was a massacre. We were hundreds, but we had no chance. They were shooting with such precision and speed… it seemed like each soldier was firing 300 rounds per minute. We couldn’t do anything.

Interviewer: And your own weapons? Didn’t they help?

Security Guard: No help at all. Because it wasn’t just the weapons. At one point, they launched something—I don’t know how to describe it… it was like a very intense sound wave. Suddenly I felt like my head was exploding from the inside. We all started bleeding from the nose. Some were vomiting blood. We fell to the ground, unable to move.

Interviewer: And your comrades? Did they manage to resist?

Security Guard: No, not at all. Those twenty men, without a single casualty, killed hundreds of us. We had no way to compete with their technology, with their weapons. I swear, I’ve never seen anything like it. We couldn’t even stand up after that sonic weapon or whatever it was.

Interviewer: So do you think the rest of the region should think twice before confronting the Americans?

Security Guard: Without a doubt. I’m sending a warning to anyone who thinks they can fight the United States. They have no idea what they’re capable of. After what I saw, I never want to be on the other side of that again. They’re not to be messed with.

Interviewer: And now that Trump has said Mexico is on the list, do you think the situation will change in Latin America?

Security Guard: Definitely. Everyone is already talking about this. No one wants to go through what we went through. Now everyone thinks twice. What happened here is going to change a lot of things, not just in Venezuela but throughout the region.

https://x.com/nettermike/status/2009843044028428714

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bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

correct. we also killed about 80 or so including children. but i think they call that collateral damage in a kinetic exchange. nice and clean sounding instead of murder. and terrorism.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

Why are THE CHILDREN always considered special? It’s easy to make more of them!

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

you are a nihilist. get help. horrible way to go about life.

Jojo
Jojo
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

I’m relatively happy but I do indeed lead to nihilism. .

Look at a Hubble or Webb deep universe photo. Ponder the unimaginable, perhaps infinite size of this universe, let alone any possible metaverse, the uncountable number of galaxies and stars and solar systems and planets and moons.

And then try to imagine why a single life-form that calls itself “humans” residing on a puny planet revolving around a non-remarkable sun situated far out on on an arm of the Milky Way galaxy should have any meaning in this big picture.

We don’t. We are a lucky accident among likely many trillions upon trillions of evolutionary failures. We are born. We live. We die. The end.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Very true, but I have high hopes for a metaverse, or 12.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Unless you’re in Gaza. IDF have perfected the crotch-shot for boys waiting at food/aid stations.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Jojo

Better this than landing craft on the beaches.

whirlaway
whirlaway
1 month ago

Of course, it’s a crazy idea. But the UK and EU whining endlessly about “international law” is really ridiculous when you consider that they were a party to the breakup of Yugoslavia, the bombing of Serbia, the creation of Kosovo, the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, the bombing of Libya, invasion of Syria and on and on and on.

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  whirlaway

France refused to invade Iraq and vetoed the 2003 Irak intervention at the UN in 2003 along Russia.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  +888

obama let the french fighter jets bomb the people of libya FIRST. as sarkozy was having a political tough time. thank heavens the french empire crumbled long ago, but they are also poodles like the UK from time to time.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  +888

that was good. i like when berlusconi wanted to go into iraq with W the dumber and the cunts of amerika. a million romans showed up and started some low level fires and such in government buildings. amerikans have neither brains or balls in 2026. perhaps we will grow some in the near future. i won’t expect that to happen. i think some states just effectively secede. without any fanfare or too many skirmeshes……….but it could turn into some civil war in parts of amerika that has big problems in their states.

whirlaway
whirlaway
1 month ago
Reply to  +888

Well, they might have sat out one here and one there. But, overall, these countries have been on board all those operations. It is rich that they are whining because finally, it is their own butts on the line now!

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  whirlaway

don’t forget the usa has bases in germany and italy since ww2. imagine the UK had bases all over usa and we were weaker. we run a mafia style protection racket. nothing any better.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago

the kleptocracy and oligarchs that have sucked up to trump and surround him, will do to the usa, what the kleptos and oligarchs did to USSR, before the fall and after the fall in 1991. i’d suggest folks take precautions. i saw what worked in russia in the 1990s. hope and prayers did not.

‘Lil Mr.
‘Lil Mr.
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

My fear is technology will help them do it and keep it.

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  ‘Lil Mr.

Technology is the key to avoid returning to returning a world order were 10% represented the cause of mortality because of constant wars which Maga call gilden age of christianity (I m meaning medieval europe) but was in reality the gilden age of churchs burnings (with church in that time designed to endure burns).

With such high level of casualities, nuclear proliferation/deterence is the answer. Nuclear wars would be very deadly but far more localised which is preferable to a state were everyone tries to conquer the territory of everyone. In addition, game theory that in world were most countries are sheeps up for grabs by some wolves, camicase sheeps that blow up their wolves would be destroyed but darwinism would disavantage wolves (I mean belicause countries).

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bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  +888

the 99% in pax dumbfuckistan have suffered. and will suffer under this pax amerika attitude the past 80 years. easy to gauge. the currency is down 98%, and the dead people we leave in our wake, both inside the empire and outside.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  ‘Lil Mr.

MY FEAR is living around such nihilist warmongering twats in this empire. at least 98% of amerikans are either nihilist or world wide warmongering or both. many twats have no idea they are nihilist. so easy to prove, too. all evil empires crumble. that’s the good news.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

All empires crumble, good and bad.

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

When Augustus took over and set up his mild version of autoritarism, things lasted during 200years called principa. And it paved the way not for republic or democracy but for the domina, under the term “dominus master” (the title of the emperor) which means “our Master” or “our owner”.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  +888

okey dokey. i vote in italia. the roman empire lasted 2000 years. the western half failed after about 1000 years. the secret sauce to the roman empire was granting the ruling class in lands they wanted to take over, roman citizenship. would be smart if pax dumbfuckistan had granted mexicans and iraqis and afpaks and VZ amerikan citizenship. we might have a chance for peace and prosperity. in reality i’m a classical liberal, in aemrika i’m a libertarian. so why not just mind our business and take care of our people. plenty hurting. the drugged out and mentally ill living in tents in the warm cities coast to coast…………it’s beyond 3rd world. it’s dystopian what we do here and abroad.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

Great idea for Greenland. Give them US citizenship. It works for Venezuela, too! I can’t believe how easy it was.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago

He talks about Greenland like it’s a 13 year old girl separated from her parents.

Ba-dum TISH!

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Or talk like a european country in the 19th century.

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Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

And to think the US purchased Alaska in 1867 at an original cost of $0.02 per acre ($0.37 per acre in 2024).

Jon L
Jon L
1 month ago

Taken literally, Trump’s Greenland threats are irrational.

Taken politically, they’re coherent: break the taboo that allies’ borders are inviolable.

Once that norm goes, NATO becomes discretionary, not binding — and disengaging from Ukraine stops being a betrayal and becomes “realism.”

So bizarrely the stated aim (protect against Russia) is the exact opposite of what he knows to be the outcome. This totally fits with what we have seen from him so far.

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Jon L

How do you know what Trump ‘knows to be the outcome’? Unless you have mind-reading capabilities, this is bull$hit.

alx
alx
1 month ago

= danish are mor11ons!

there are 6 mil in country!

if they are so worry, why dont you just give away weapons to all people in Greenland for protection, and allow anybody from Europe to travel there!

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100.000 armed ones will be just fine for Greenland!!

TRUMP IS SIMPLETON and mor11on!!!!

limey
limey
1 month ago
Reply to  alx

Do you think, that for a change, you could write your posts in coherent English.
I have not met any Danish morons but you seem to be trolling them. Lets hope Putin or Trump don’t come after your piece of turf, where ever you post from.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  limey

blocking people you think are dumb works like it does in real life

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  limey

Alx is doing the best ‘he’ can. Education sucks!

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 month ago

I read through all of the comments so far. What strikes me the most is the total lack of appreciation for the damage that is being done to the one thing that has, largely, kept Russia at bay since the moment that General Patton warned the allied countries after the fall of Nazi Germany about the danger of Russian imperialism, and that is NATO. NATO is, and for the most part has always been, a far superior military force compared to Russia/the Soviet Union. The looming presence of NATO has kept Russia and other expansionist regimes corralled since NATO’s formation. If NATO’s unity is undermined or NATO itself is undone by Donald Trump, we will be living in a world that very few people alive today have firsthand knowledge of. That world was fought over territorial wars and colonialism, which resulted in two world wars, and the people living in democratic nations post WWII promised the world “never again.”

This situation that Trump voters inflicted on the United States and the world by extension is not funny; it is not simply entertainment, it is massively dangerous and potentially irreversible in our lifetimes.

Mish’s blog above discusses how Europeans don’t know what to do now that their appeasement of Donald Trump has failed. You cannot appease Donald Trump, just like Putin, he will see appeasement as weakness and subordination, which will only embolden him.

We can only hope that his verbal saber-rattling about Greenland will be a bridge too far for our Senators and they will step in and stop the madness.

alx
alx
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

and for the most part has always been, a far superior military force compared to Russia/the Soviet Union.

The looming presence of NATO has kept Russia and other expansionist regimes corralled since NATO’s formation. 
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it is bs. they never fought.
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WHAT ABOUT Africa AND S /C America??

READ A BOOK ABOUT second half of 20 century

it was not USSR, it is crash of COLONIALISM

NATO was never in s America , and yet pretty much all countries were more or less communist out there!!

alx

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alx
alx
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

he looming presence of NATO has kept Russia and other expansionist regimes corralled since NATO’s formation
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in east Germany there was 200.000 strong and fully armed russian army
and PRETTy MUCH EVERYBODY knew if USSR got crazy and ordered invasion army would be at English channel in 2 weeks!
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only deterrence was USAGE OF NUCLEAR BY USA!!

IT HAS nothing todo w/ NATO.
nobody gave a hoot about NATO in USSR times!

read a book!

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KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 month ago
Reply to  alx

Where is the USSR today? Russia is a small shadow of the USSR because Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher made it very clear to the USSR that “the West,” NATO, could outspend and out-innovate when it comes to military might that self-isolated “empire.” A shot did not need to be fired because the illusion of the USSR being a military force that could go toe to toe with NATO was laid bare.

The USSR and, even more so, Russia cannot project power around the world like NATO can. By any measure of conventional forces, NATO is far superior. Think about it; Russia has one very old and rusty aircraft carrier, NATO has something like 16 or 17 aircraft carriers. That is just one example. How did those Russian air defense systems work for Maduro?

Come on, get serious!

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

Nato was set up to make the indiduals nuclear bomb programs of most european countries in the 1950s irrelevant (including the military nuclear program of Sweden).

Before the anti proliferation treaty, this was a gift which allowed the Us to stay the dominant force.

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Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

Our only hope is that the Senate will do the right thing?!

I hope you have a contingency plan.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

There really is no contingency plan because the mid-term elections are too far away. Trump is likely to push forward all of his most “ambitious” agenda issues and actions into 2026 in case the Democrats retake the House of Representatives at the beginning of 2027.

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

And in any cases, he can veto anti war resolution from Congress.

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Nato was set up to make the indiduals nuclear bomb programs of most european countries in the 1950s irrelevant (including the military nuclear program of Sweden).

Before the anti proliferation treaty, this was a gift which allowed the Us to stay the dominant force in exchange. De Gaulle wanted nuclear weapons for France so the security warrenties from Nato don t depends on the will of the Missouri/Kansas voter.

The contingency plan is obvious.

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

Nato was set up to make the indiduals nuclear bomb programs of most european countries in the 1950s irrelevant.

Before the anti proliferation treaty, this was a gift.

Last edited 1 month ago by +888
Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

I don’t understand how people can be so much behind the times as to think that NATO is still needed to defend against Russia. Russia is not the threat to the West today: China is. NATO was a fig leaf over American occupation of Western Europe after World War Two. You can argue that it was for their own good, because Communism is a terrible thing. But it was occupation. Germany and Japan are still hosting American troops, and they aren’t there because the Germans and Japanese want them. We in Australia might want them.

When you look at Trump and what he is doing today, I am reminded of another great politician who is mentioned by somebody in one of the posts below (somebody who isn’t completely ignorant of history). Bismarck united North Germany by a mixture of bullying and cajolery. My ancestral home, known in English as Hanover, apparently didn’t want to go along, and was occupied by Prussian troops. The king, a blind boy, had to leave with his army and took refuge in one of the Catholic states of Germany.

You can say all sorts of things about Bismarck, but by any objective standard he brought Germany into the modern world. There are a lot of things that he did that have had bad long-term results, but only because the people who succeeded him were too stupid to change them. There is no cure for fools.

There is another precedent that might work, and that Trump has already thought of. We have here in my part of Australian a large military training area called Shoalwater Bay, where Singapore soldiers regularly work out, no doubt in preparation for occupying Australia later when they go over to China.

I was a young kid with a preternatural interest in politics when Shoalwater Bay was first created by seizing a lot of what you would call ranches. The local government news service mentioned that a protest meeting was to be held, and I was exclaiming over it, when my father said something along the lines of, “Don’t be stupid, boy. The Army knew there would be protest meetings.” He was right: the ranchers were kicked off their land, the army base was established, and I gather that what was left behind was vandalized by soldiers. Apparently one local rancher made a very good thing out of running cattle on the army land when the army wasn’t looking, which was most of the time.

Much more recently, it was decided that the training area was to be expanded. As a retired person with a sentimental interest, I went along to the landholders’ meeting. There was a young politician there who I thought at the time was a silly ass, though I have since learned that that was a big mistake. He was sympathetic, and suggested that he would try to do something. I thought he was just talking. Instead, the government announced that the land wouldn’t be resumed, but ranchers who wanted to could sell their land to the government.

Most of them have. They were offered good prices. It’s surprising how quickly people will abandon their way of life and their ancestral properties if they are paid enough for it.

If Trump follows through on his idea of paying off individual Greenlanders, he will probably find a whole heap of them wanting to take the money. He might still have to be a bit rough with the politicians, but like Bismarck, he should be able to find a way to do that.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 month ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

First of all, in the U.S., the President cannot spend money not allocated by Congress. So, even if Trump wanted to offer a buyout to Greenlanders, I very much doubt he could do so without 60 votes in the Senate, which he would never get. I disagree with you about NATO. Ukraine illustrates exactly why NATO is still very important to contain Russia’s expansionist desires. China poses many threats, including economic, cyber warfare, and intellectual property theft, but I do not see China being a significant military threat compared to Russia. I am not saying that China does not have a formidable military; it does, and it will only get stronger. But I see China building its military as an insurance policy against the United States eventually trying to blockade China’s means of commerce, not to invade other sovereign nations.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

On Russia, as far as I know, the Russians have no expansionist plans in Europe, except maybe in the Baltic states. They are having more than enough trouble keeping control to the east and south-east.

What the Russians are worried about in the Ukraine is having American missiles installed so close to Moscow, and having their Russian-speaking cousins in the Ukraine killed by artillery fire and otherwise mistreated, which I understand is what was going on before Putin sent his troops across the border.

As for China, why does everyone think the Chinese aren’t dangerous because as individuals they are small and smile a lot? The Chinese SPREAD. The entire history of South-East Asia, as I understand it, consists of fresh waves of immigrants coming out of China and exterminating the tribes who were there before. Now that Western geniuses have placed modern forms of transport at their disposal, the range of their spread has been extended over the entire Earth. They aren’t the only race that has spread, but they are the race that is spreading now. There is no reason to think that this will halt just because of their bad mistake in adopting their one-child policy. That is a blip on the chart.

Fertile land like the great river valleys of China lead to intense cultivation and small farms. The same families on small farms for many generations lead to a slave race, which also happens to be very well suited to city life. The Chinese happen to be intelligent (I don’t have an explanation of that yet), and can adapt well once they see how anything works. They aren’t very good at great innovation, which I think is because of their cultural background (Confucian as opposed to the Christian background in the West), which stultifies their society. But they can still spread and spread, until they have turned the whole Earth into Easter Island.

billybob
billybob
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

The only thing Trump will understand is being beaten bloody by a baseball bat (metaphorically of course).

European leaders up to the task? :-)))))
Democratic party leaders? :-))))))

MAGA party? Are you effing kidding!!!!

Flingel Bunt
Flingel Bunt
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

From 1945 to 2026 is how many years?
Perhaps it is time the US put Russia-phobia to rest. Historically, Russia is part of Europe. The goal must be to again make Russia part of Europe. The alternative is WW3.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
1 month ago

Tulsi is a hypocrite. I’ll add Trump’s MAGA supporters to that list. Where are the Epstein files? Good for Representative Green but shame on the rest of the hypocrites.

Quatloo
Quatloo
1 month ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

Did Tulsi say something about Greenland recently? I’m confused, Mish referenced her also, but with no details.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  Quatloo

tulsi seemed legit for a few years. she was exposed as a grifter many years ago, now. she’s a great amerikan in other words. a perfect reflection of usa empire.

Stu
Stu
1 month ago

It would appear as though Trump has gotten his way in the end. Good for America and good for Greenland imo.
Trump only wanted assurance of Greenlands Safety and hence America’s Security as well.

Greenland has agreed to such it appears, and all is well…

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  Stu

Yes, a 1951 treaty with Denmark already allows the Us to have as many soldiers in greenland as it wants.

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Naphtali
Naphtali
1 month ago

Er, uh, Ep-who?

john smith the third
john smith the third
1 month ago

Just bribe the Greenlanders. They are 55K most of whom live in difficult conditions so promise a million each, that’s $55 bn, chump change for the Pentagon. You might even get the EU to pay it, since they are so desperate to keep the US in Ukraine.

Democritus
Democritus
1 month ago

As a Dutch guy, I’m appalled that there is no plan here in Europe.
At least all US personnel on military bases should be taken POW in the first 24 hours, for example. That would be a nice bargaining chip. Next we should re-consider some policies towards Russia and China. I used the word “chip” already…

Doug78
Doug78
1 month ago
Reply to  Democritus

Our chipper is bigger than your chipper.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
1 month ago
Reply to  Democritus

That will make the evening news interesting. Fox News will stroke out.

Doug78
Doug78
1 month ago

It’s not going to go that far.

+888
+888
1 month ago

When Nato was formed it was before the nuclear proliferation treaty. Many states include sweden had nuclear weapon programs.

Looks like proliferation is the answer.

AmericanPatriot
AmericanPatriot
1 month ago
Reply to  +888

The alternative to “rules based” world order is nuclear winter. Every 80 years or so humans forget how awful things can get. Weak men leading to hard times and all that.

+888
+888
1 month ago

No. Technology is the key to avoid returning to returning a world order were 10% represented the cause of mortality because of constant wars which Maga call gilden age of christianity (I m meaning medieval europe) but was in reality the gilden age of churchs burnings (with church in that time designed to endure burns).

Nuclear wars would be very deadly but far more localised which is preferable to a state were everyone tries to conquer the territory of everyone. In addition, game theory that in world were most countries are sheeps up for grabs by some wolves, camicase sheeps that blow up their wolves would be destroyed but darwinism would disavantage wolves (I mean belicause countries).

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 month ago
Reply to  +888

It seems that English must be your second or third language because you keep posting the same nonsensical two sentences about NATO, and the post above makes no sense.

Jeff Kassel
Jeff Kassel
1 month ago

We’re in the middle of Trump’s 2nd coup, and it looks like he’s working. Republicans in the House and Senate care more about the safety of their seat than they care about America’s democracy. It’s obvious that Trump is half nuts and drunk on power. Greenland is in NATO. If Trump attacks Greenland, and he’s not impeached and removed, we’ll need a military coup to rid ourselves of this cockroach masquerading as a President. If Trump was Putin’s asset, he’d be doing exactly the same thing.

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Kassel

Military coup or a country with a couple of dozen special forces with good drones to take out the entire admin leadership. Or a few American heroes. Or we knuckle under. Seems to me those are some of the choices American faces, continuing on as 2025 has played out seems impossible. Who knows Nazi Germany lasted 12 years from 1933 to 1945. Does anyone think trump will be alive in 12 years or the MAGA cult will still be active in 12 years?

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Kassel

He’s not nuts. He’s a stupid, selfish man suffering from dementia.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 month ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

I disagree! Trump is not nuts; he is not suffering from dementia; he is who he always has been. He is willfully ignorant and arrogant insomuch as it serves his ends. He is exacting revenge on a nation, institutions, and a world that has laughed at him over the last 50 years. He is small, petty, and vindictive, with no consideration for the consequences of his actions for anyone else. He is in the news, everyone is talking about him, and people fear what he will do next. This is what drives him.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

that is the best comment and most accurate of this entire thread.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

I have paid attention to this guy, personally and professionally, for the last 40 years. He is literally everything that good parents teach their kids not to be when they grow up: very kind to him.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
1 month ago
Reply to  KPStaufen

I bet clowns like you said that sort of thing about Churchill too. I do know that he was thoroughly reviled all through the 1930s for not being a stupid pacifist like everybody else.

KPStaufen
KPStaufen
1 month ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

I have read Churchill’s autobiography, “The Gathering Storm,” and Churchill was nothing like Trump. First of all, Churchill was an officer in the British military during World War I. Trump was sent to a private military academy by his parents when he was a teenager because he was so undisciplined. Then, Trump used his privilege to get out of serving in the military during the Vietnam War. Churchill, during the 1920’s, was in Parliament and was a consistent voice in the minority, warning that Germany’s deindustrialization was a stealth remilitarization. Churchill also took Hitler’s writings and grassroots political activity seriously when most people inside Germany and out did not take him seriously. Unlike Trump, Churchill was a true British patriot who adhered to a set of ideals that allowed him to clearly see good versus evil and right versus wrong.

Trump was laughed at and not taken seriously for most of his adult life because of his actions, both personally and professionally. He earned the nickname “Don-the-Con” in NYC for his untrustworthy business practices and penchant for being a disingenuous provocateur.

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‘Lil Mr.
‘Lil Mr.
1 month ago

Here’s a thought. Maybe he’s counting on no one wanting to fight WW3? That’s what Hitler thought. But he backed it up with a mighty military. Taco has made a living on that creed. He has gotten hundreds of millions of dollars in loans forgiven just by threatening litigation. His niece says has was a good study of Hitler and the like as well. Roy Cohn was a firm believer in “never give in, never give up, sue them”. Only now Taco has his own military to back him up to get whatever he wants. Is it money, ego, both? One thing is for sure, some radical change is looming. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and deal with this “situation”.

K.V.Sadasivan
K.V.Sadasivan
1 month ago
Reply to  ‘Lil Mr.

He will over-reach himself.

Avery2
Avery2
1 month ago

Which way did Polk do it?

K.V.Sadasivan
K.V.Sadasivan
1 month ago

Many nations are going to boycott FIFA and G 20 in US.

‘Lil Mr.
‘Lil Mr.
1 month ago

What was it he told Zelensky, “you’re gambling with WW3”. I haven’t heard a peep out of Elon lately. The king is mad as a hatter.

rk syrus
rk syrus
1 month ago

To all pinko peacenik doubters I ask, if not Greenland then where do you suggest:

-to locate the millions, possibly billions, of high-paid manufacturing jobs?

-to park the exciting Trump class warships (the ones with gamma lasers that can hit a drug-carrying satellite in space)?

-to send the Dreamer migrants if not to rare earth mines under mile-thick glaciers?

It’s definitely not a diversion away from intractable domestic problems and weird-ass foreign policy fumblings.

Aluu kalaallit eqqissilluta tikippugut! (Greetings Greenlanders, we come in peace!)

SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
1 month ago

The US is in the final stage of the collapse of Empire–theft of the economic assets of other nations by force. The free ride of printing money to fund war and to maintain a high yet undeserved standard of living is essentially over. The world is de-dollarizing. Nothing can stop it. Other nations see our $38 trillion in debt and see that giving us products and assets for ever diminishing and soon to be worthless money-is no longer acceptable. It will get worse until the end, and the end is coming. America will have to rebuild, start over. Get rid of our worthless politicians and their billionaire donor owners who have used them to loot the middle classes for their own benefit. it may get ugly. There could be civil war-but maybe not, it does not have to be that way.

The elites know this. On the one hand, the wealthy in large numbers are already abandoning American markets, moving their money into hard assets, moving wealth overseas. On the other hand our elites are using gunboat diplomacy. Threatening and intimidating independent nations, invading them to replace their leaders will American puppets. They could care less about the Venezuelan people or that Maduro or any other leader is involved in drug trafficking. They want their assets. They need their assets. Without their assets, whether it be oil, gold, silver, other natural resources, we cannot sustain the dollar denominated system which forms the basis of our control over the monetary system. We will rob, steal, murder and plunder to achieve these aims, and do so under some false pretense of drug trafficking, bringing freedom to the people -or whatever.

It’s not just us. All empires go through this cycle. The Romans, the British, many others-and now us. These efforts to change history and break the cycle of decline will not work. I don’t even think there is a good chance of delaying our inevitable future for any serious period of time.

We’re finding now that Exon, Conoco and other oil companies just told Trump that they have no interest in pouring billions into energy development in Venezuela. They lost a lot on their investment last time and have calculated that the deterioration of VZ energy infrastructure is so serious, that oil prices would have to be well above $85 a barrel to even consider a massive investment, and even then the political risks might still make them hesitant to invest.

So now would look to colonize Greenland. And maybe try overthrowing Iran again to get their oil and weaken BRICS. In theory plundering assets and war could help sustain and prolong the empire. I don’t think it will work and could well end in disaster. I think a better approach is to find leaders who do not serve our present ruling class of elites, but who instead will help us replace the ruling class with leaders who actually serve our people. I believe our Constitutional form of government-our Republic-was designed and set up by our Founding fathers d to achieve that result.

Jeff Kassel
Jeff Kassel
1 month ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

Trump is deliberately trying to destroy NATO. Trump looks like Putin’s puppy. Trump needs to be removed immediately.

Pedro
Pedro
1 month ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

Empire crumbling is exactly right and this is following a common path in history. Unfortunately we have allowed a culture to set in the UsA that is unreasonable, unrealistic, and unsustainable. Democracy works and Trump is a symptom not the cause. The American people need to wake up, get real, and get things back on track!

Spider Monkey
Spider Monkey
1 month ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

What data do you have to suggest de dollarization? Dollars have reshored through higher interest rate policy and the implementation of SOFR. Stable coins are providing a mechanism for more direct control of financial assets by our monetary apparatus as well as providing citizens of other countries access to dollars without using the traditional banking system. BRICS has languished in the ability to make an alternative currency and the EURO policy makers are not embracing crypto. The US is still way ahead on all of this, by some miracle. Sure the total share of USD usage globally has gone down, but overall volume is still trending UPWARD. The pie has gotten bigger, so it makes it look like our share has gotten smaller.

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Jean
Jean
1 month ago

Republicans are so stupid.

K.V.Sadasivan
K.V.Sadasivan
1 month ago
Reply to  Jean

Rather helpless!

James
James
1 month ago
Reply to  Jean

You are right, Republicans pay most of the taxes to support the Democrats.

Mike
Mike
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

The large holes are interesting (20% Political leanings & 36% Medicaid under age 65 expansion):

ACA participants span the political spectrum, with nearly half of enrollees in the Marketplace identifying as Republicans or Republican-leaning. However, there are significant partisan differences in approval of the law and the specific programs within it.  Enrollment Demographics

  Political Leanings: Approximately 45% of adults who purchase their own health insurance through the ACA Marketplace identify as Republicans or lean Republican, while about 35% identify as Democrats or lean Democrat.

  Geographic Concentration: A majority of ACA Marketplace enrollees (57%) live in congressional districts represented by Republicans, with high enrollment rates in several “red states” such as Florida, Georgia, and Texas.

  Medicaid Expansion: A plurality of Medicaid expansion beneficiaries under age 65 are Democrats or lean Democratic (37%), but a significant share (27%) are Republicans or lean Republican.

Another guy also posts on the site as “Mike”.

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  Jean

If you are referring to Republican leaders most are not stupid. Cowards yes. Without morals yes. Pedophiles many are. Greedy assholes most are. When the guillotine (metaphorical) is built they will try to rewrite their personal and public history.

CJW
CJW
1 month ago
Reply to  pokercat

Well they (republicans) apparently can’t see what’s next if Trump continues. So ya, I would call that stupid.

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  CJW

Stupid or just uncaring?

Moi
Moi
1 month ago

I love how some of the Republicans seem to justify what Trump is doing because he’s doing it for America. HE’S THREATENING TO INVADE SOVEREIGN FRIENDLY NATIONS!! How is this any different than Russia going into Ukraine or for that matter Hitler going into Poland? If he sends the military into Greenland to TAKE it for America at that point he really is unfit to be in office and if you are a Republican and you approve of this or make excuses to justify this than you are absolutely no better than the far Left wacko’s his administration replaced, you are true Neocons and most likely you don’t even realize it.

Just the fact that Trump keeps threatening this is abhorrent in my opinion.

Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
1 month ago

So the Germans, who are arresting and prosecuting people for saying mean things about German Politicians are accusing the US of Fascism?

Oh and they are on the verge of making the most popular party in Germany illegal. And arresting people for saying things, ie censorship

Denmark is evil

Senator Chris Murphy is one of the most evil people on earth

Lisa Murkowski is a RINO scumbag who should be removed from office immediately

Now maybe you can argue about whether we should take Greenland or not. I think we should. And Canada, which is an actual security threat to the United States. And probably Mexico as well, which is also a threat as a Cartel un Narco State. An actual one, unlike Venezuale, which had its own issues

Are you being paid by some Soros linked NGO or something like it Mish?

Michael
Michael
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

Holy shit, it’s horrific how insane you people are

Jeff Kassel
Jeff Kassel
1 month ago
Reply to  Michael

75 million people voted for Trump. Our Founders were afraid that someone like Trump would come along, so they didn’t give the vote to most people. So now even fools can vote in America. And we’re looking at Trump’s 2nd Coup attempt.

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Kassel

In reality as long as you set up power in 1 person as small as the initial power are, you personalize power and set up for the century sooner or later when a very popular Tyran will convince peoples to let him grab more and more power until it becomes almost absolute as described in Plato s republic.

The roman republic was ensuring there at least 2 head of states to avoid this and while this scheme lead to civil war leading to its downfall, it seems compared to our system resulting from the age of enlightment that Rome will keep the 400year record of libertas which at the time was defined as the absence of dominatio (having no owner/Master) more than free will.

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Jeff Kassel
Jeff Kassel
1 month ago
Reply to  Michael

Maybe he’s just playing with you. That’s what the real nihilists in the Republican Party do….They believe in nothing.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Kassel

BINGO. bismark brought nihilism over 50 years to Germany. we copied germany a century ago. nihilism is the worst philosophy known to mankind. most don’t even know they are nihilist. the word goes over their feeble minds.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

New Agers are nihilists.

SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

I almost upvoted you for because I thought you were being facetious and resorting to sarcasm. I agree with some points you made, but your last two points about invading most of the North American hemisphere and calling Mish a Soros agent, made me realize you are likely dead serious. Just about every point you made is on Trump’s talking point list that he spouts daily. Soros is not a likely contributor to this list, but Bibi, Adelson, Rubio and the hopelessly moronic fool Hegseth certainly are.

It seems you represent the new revised MAGA 2. Certainly different than the old MAGA. The membership will be significantly different also. The question I have is where will the old departing members of MAGA1 go? people like me- and all my old Ron Paul supporters and the Buchanan brigadier friend. many of us will likely stay in the republican Party for a while, at least through the primaries before voting third party in the general, but I suspect there will be another major effort to create a new third party with Independents and the best of both the republican and democratic parties who will realize that they simply cannot support the principles of their respective parties any more. Rhetoric and jawboning only goes so far. Other than worthless rhetoric, the two parties are the same. They are and will remain the Uniparty, at least for the foreseeable future.

Neil
Neil
1 month ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

I agree with a lot here, and nice point about MAGA2. It appears that MAGA has morphed into “whatever the crazy king wants is great!”.

I disagree that both parties are equally bad. Sure, the democrats were bad under Biden, but not a party of kings that threatens to invade allies and ignores the constitution left and right.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  Neil

there is only one difference to the 2 parties in amerika. ABORTION RIGHTS FOR HUMANS TO CONTROL THEIR OWN BODILY FUNCTIONS. that’s it. call it freedom or murder. we know where we all stand.

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

Really that’s the ONLY difference. Open you eyes, wake up, learn something of the other (both) side(s) before spouting this bullshit.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Neil

MAGAts are at heart, brown nosers. They all seek a giant butt to kiss.

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

Really you see the two parties as the same? You are either stupid, crazy, or blind.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

1. Sure, the Krauts look hypocritical here. It doesn’t mean we’re in the right for wanting to take Greenland.

2. Denmark is evil? Have you ever been there or met a Dane? I have been to Copenhagen and worked with Danes both there and here in the US.

3. Yes, Chris Murphy sucks. What does that have to do with Trump’s insane comments?

4. Yes, Murkowski is a RINO and also sucks. That doesn’t make Trump’s insane comments sane.

5. “Take Greenland.”. Do you hear yourself? Then have the courage of your convictions, gear up, and you and your family head up there and try. Otherwise, don’t advocate for other citizens’ family members who are serving to go into harm’s way to”take Greenland.”

6. John Bolton, is that you?

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

More whataboutism because you can’t honestly defend trump and his admin.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

Now this guy, this guy is fucking nuts.

CJW
CJW
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

Well, Trump is going to war without the consent of congress. Apparently with multiple countries. I think that is against the US constitution. From this and other perspectives, he is acting on his own with, he believes, unlimited authority. From a purely objective standpoint I think that is something that resembles a dictatorship.

Whether the US is still a democracy at this point will become readily apparent this coming November and depends on whether you can still manage to have free and fair elections. At this stage I would give that a a 50/50 chance.

njbr
njbr
1 month ago

And here is the excuse for boots on the ground in Venezuela

From the State Department

“Depart Immediately:
Before departure, U.S. citizens should take precautions and be aware of their surroundings. There are reports of groups of armed militias, known as colectivos, setting up roadblocks and searching vehicles for evidence of U.S. citizenship or support for the United States. U.S. citizens in Venezuela should remain vigilant and exercise caution when traveling by road.”

Gosh, who could have foreseen this??

SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
1 month ago
Reply to  njbr

I remember when they were “terrorizing” our American medical students in Grenada. Of course we had to invade. We kicked their ass. Proud day for America. USA! USA! USA!

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
1 month ago

King herod compares with his buddies in Russia and other communist countries.

Flavia
Flavia
1 month ago

The Germans?
We’ll need some popcorn for this show!

Christoball
Christoball
1 month ago

America is ‘Uninvestable’

Americas people are worth investing in.

Discorporate, and invest in someone you know.

They have dreams beyond the fictional persons wildest dreams..

Portlander
Portlander
1 month ago

Do we laugh or do we cry?

  • TRUMP: “We’re not going to have Russia or China as a neighbor.”
  • Russia is 55 miles from Alaska.
  • Greenland is 1700.

Only three more years of this stupidity insanity senility.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 month ago
Reply to  Portlander

There’s a giant difference, though. If Russia were to ever make a move on Alaska…whoop-dee-doo, DC would still be very far away. But if Russia were to have control over all of Greenland, DC, New York and the entire Eastern seaboard would be much more exposed. You can surely ague about the how, but the WHY of Greenland is crystal clear. Having bases in Greenland would put us right across from Murmansk, so that in and of itself would prove to be a very strategically beneficial move.

Moi
Moi
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

Russia can’t even gain control over the Ukraine who is their neighbor, how in the world could they take over Greenland with all of NATO next door?

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 month ago
Reply to  Moi

Laughable. Putin could flatten Kiev in a week but he doesn’t because he knows that’s exactly what the West wants to see happen so they can blame the start of WW3 on Russia in the History books. Instead, he is stuck in an eternal process of land maintenance, where hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainian men (and a much lower number of young Russian men) must die each year unnecessarily, thanks to the US and “NATO” expanding East which will always be unacceptable to Russia.

SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

You are right about flattening Kiev but it might take a bit longer than a week to take out all of Ukraine. maybe two weeks. His war of attrition is going fairly well but I believe they are in the late middle stages of a much larger mobilization. Their very best weapons have been stockpiled and saved for the final offensive and possible European conflict. When they largely complete their mobilization, finish knocking out Ukrainian energy and defenses, especially their drone factories, the large offensive will come and will be over in a very short period of time. Putin is patient, but I believe that patience is about to end.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 month ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

I think Putin is stuck indefinitely because he doesn’t want a larger conflict, especially not against the USA (via proxies of course). He just wants NATO off his doorstep which won’t happen So it’s a bloody, unending turf war.

Doug78
Doug78
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

If they could have they would have.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

LOL! The crazies are out today!

jacek
jacek
1 month ago
Reply to  Moi

The problem is that European parts of NATO are not willing to fight in any war. It makes me sad.

Doug78
Doug78
1 month ago
Reply to  Moi

With Chinese help of course. It can furnish the equipment and if they want a few hundred thousand troops.

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  Doug78

I believe China wants trade not war.

SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

I wonder if the Russians invaded Alaska if Canada would still be on our side? If not, that would be the perfect excuse to invade and annex Canada. maybe I should apply for a job to be one of Trump’s foreign policy advisors. Trump would appreciate that. I probably wouldn’t get it as most of his national security team is probably already advising to invade Canada-and Greenland, and Mexico, and Panama, and Columbia, and Cuba- oh hell why list them. Easier just to say “all of them.”

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

The Us has a treaty with Denmark that allows opening as many bases as they want. And in fact they closed bases in the 1990s

Also, Russia no longer have aircraft carrier

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pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  Portlander

How can we survive three years of this ?

+888
+888
1 month ago
Reply to  pokercat

During the roman republic, libertas was defined more as having no king or no Master than freewill.

While Trump pretends to represent the free world, I think this gives you a clue🙄

dtj
dtj
1 month ago

Don’t forget the Panama Canal is also on the wishlist.

The obsession with acquiring Greenland is strange on the face of it. The only explanation is it’s something the Military Industrial Comples wants and Trump is just going along with their orders and doing it in a brazen way because that’s the way Trump does things.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago
Reply to  dtj

A drug junkie will rob his own mother to get his next fix. The US is $40 trillion in debt on the books and $100+ trillion in debt off the books. It is a broke nation. Venezuela, Greenland, and Canada are all about stealing resources and using that money to continue the junkie’s next high.

Here’s the Greenland bonanza:
Key mineral resourcesGreenland is known to host significant deposits of rare earth elements and other critical minerals used in green technologies and electronics. These include:

  • Rare earth elements (REEs) such as neodymium and dysprosium, with several deposits among the world’s larger known land-based REE resources.

Energy resources (oil, gas, uranium)Geological studies suggest considerable hydrocarbon potential both onshore and offshore Greenland, though commercial development is minimal so far. Key points include:

  • Onshore sedimentary basins like Jameson Land and offshore basins that may contain large oil and gas systems comparable in potential to some North Sea areas.

Current mining and developmentDespite the geological potential, only a very small number of mines are operating, and overall production remains low. Factors that constrain development include:

  • Remote locations, lack of infrastructure, and extreme climate, which drive up costs for exploration, construction, and transport.

Strategic importanceBecause of its resource mix, Greenland is seen as strategically important for several major economies. In particular:

  • Its rare earths, graphite, and related metals are viewed as potential alternatives to current dominant suppliers for clean energy technologies, electronics, and defense applications.



Lithium and graphite, both important for batteries and electric vehicles, with graphite occurrences still relatively underexplored.

Base and precious metals including copper, nickel, zinc, lead, iron ore, and gold, plus tungsten and palladium in various parts of the island.

Diamonds in kimberlite pipes identified since the 1970s, though not yet developed at scale.

Estimates on the order of tens of billions of barrels of oil equivalent in parts of northeast Greenland, indicating sizable but still unexploited resources.

Uranium occurrences associated with some rare earth projects, although Greenland’s government has effectively banned uranium mining in recent years, limiting that part of the resource base.

Political and environmental concerns, including restrictions on uranium and debates over how to balance mining with climate and local community impacts.

The island’s location along emerging Arctic sea routes and its resource potential have drawn sustained geopolitical interest from the United States, Europe, and others.

Before Christopher Columbus, Spain was on the verge of bankruptcy but after Christopher Columbus, Spain was the richest nation on earth after stealing all the gold and silver from the Americas. The US constitution makes references to the Spanish Dollar, go look it up. It didn’t matter in the end though, mismanagement of riches won’t change when you have new riches, like a drug junkie, you just get another hit and high until you die of cardiac arrest.

That’s what it’s all about and nothing more.

Christoball
Christoball
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

My money is on the Drug Junkie over the politician.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Being directly across the pond from Murmansk and (potentially) denying the Russians/Chinese the land altogether are two of those “geopolitical interests” that I think matter more than your post emphasizes.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

Nonsense. Greenland is a part of NATO, if Russia or China sets foot on it, it sets off a war. Nothing has changed from the past 500 years with Greenland other than a total clown moron in office in the US and a bankrupt nation on it’s last legs.

Funny how absolutely no one was worried about what you stated for the last 500 years but now it’s China or Russia that’s the fear. And Russia is 50 miles from Alaska.

Jason
Jason
1 month ago
Reply to  dtj

its actually simple, Trump wants a legacy, and the best way for all leaders to cement themselves is territorial expansion. No different than a roman triumph after conquering Gaul, Hispania or Britannia. He would be remembered and cemented for all American history if that’s the case, and imagine at this point that’s all he wants. This puts congress in a bind, for example Louisana purchase was legal….but the annexation of Southwest/Hawaii happened before Congress could really rule in on it…..a bad look to give back territory after you’ve taken it.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 month ago
Reply to  Jason

Love him or hate him, he is a legacy-building evil genius. The “Space Force” was created under his watch. So, 400 years from now, the “Earth Space Marines” will basically have to learn in boot camp that that their branch was first created by an ancient President named Donald Trump. Lol. But these outrageous land takeovers clearly predate him and are being coordinated above his head.

Last edited 1 month ago by CaptainCaveman
Doug78
Doug78
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

Join the Mobile Infantry and see the Galaxy!

cambeiu
cambeiu
1 month ago
Reply to  dtj

Oh my God, the countries that for decades allied with and/or turned a blind eye to a rogue nation are now shocked to be on its sights.
Must be tough to wake up one day realizing that they are not part of “the club” anymore.
Instead the Trump administration has thrown them unceremoniously across the fence to sit with the “mud people” on the receiving end of US foreign policy.
Could not have happened to less deserving countries.

Nismo
Nismo
1 month ago

I’ve heard talk about a 1 off payment of US$100,000. Would you take that over a lifetime of free healthcare, education and unemployment support?
US$100,00 wouldn’t be enough to leave a social democratic system and be governed by oligarchs and crony capitalists

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 month ago
Reply to  Nismo

But if the other choice is a hostile takeover + nothing? The funny thing is that everything on the island will go up 10x overnight due to the “stimulus” lol.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 month ago

Thankfully for the US, China has huge demographic problem that will greatly diminish their ability to dominate the world (soon) by population alone. That said, the days of the US being able to be the de-facto overlord the entire globe – through sheer might and the eurodollar/petrodollar – are coming to an end and I think that the people above Trump are becoming acutely aware of the need to prepare for the tri-polar world that lies ahead. I am not for what’s going on Venezuela nor what’s surely going to happen in Greenland, but I am open to the idea that this outrageous behavior has become a necessary chess move intended to gobble up as much land and resources as we (reasonably, semi-peacefully) can in order to better our odds and defense standing in the upcoming bi, tri- or oven quad-polar world. I hate it, but future generations of Americans may very well be grateful that it was done. Look at Hawaii, for all intents and purposes, it was “taken” by the US…would it have been preferable if Japan had taken it instead?

Last edited 1 month ago by CaptainCaveman
K.V.Sadasivan
K.V.Sadasivan
1 month ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

Not so simple.Guerilla Warfare or WW 3.

Mick
Mick
1 month ago

It would be terrible, but a brief war with Germany (not on land but a few sunk ships) has the potential to save the world in an offhand way. It would probably wake up a lot more Americans to where we are at, quickly end NATO (which is planning on going to war with Russia in 2030, even as it is already close to nuclear threshold war with Russia), and could even result in successful impeachment.

To be clear, I want none of this. We’re about to go to war with Iran too. Sigh.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
1 month ago
Reply to  Mick

War with Germany???? Germany already has a long list of problems to worry about. The US should just leave Europe and “NATO” to its own devices, but the deep state won’t ever allow that because wars, even phony wars like Ukraine, are big business.

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago
Reply to  Mick

We should start by taking over Liechtenstein.

Last edited 1 month ago by Sentient
njbr
njbr
1 month ago

Boy, the Epstein files must really be something

Rumor is Trump will strike “non-military” targets in Iran in the next few days in support of protesters

Irony is bleeding out here

“Donald Trump Says ‘My Own Morality’ Is ‘the Only Thing That Can Stop Me’ from World Dominance: ‘I Don’t Need International Law’

Last edited 1 month ago by njbr
Art
Art
1 month ago
Reply to  njbr

Not Herr Taco or comrade Taco. It is Taco Emperor of the Universe…

pokercat
pokercat
1 month ago
Reply to  njbr

The DOJ has released less than 1% of the Epstein files. trump has managed to remove the Epstein issue from the headlines and will continue his bullshit as long as he is POTUS.

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