Under Pressure From the US, EU Agrees to Cap the Price of Russian Oil

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Bickering Over the Cap

The EU agreed to scrap its plan to not insure tankers carrying Russian oil in favor of a Biden-sponsored plan to cap the price of oil.

The insurance scheme was absurd. Russia would have exported oil in tankers not insured. The only loser would be Western insurance companies.

Today, the US and EU are bickering over where the cap is set. Poland wants the cap at $20 and the Biden administration is looking at caps as high as $70. 

Watered Down Plan

The European Union watered down its latest sanctions proposal for a price cap on Russia’s oil exports by delaying its full implementation and softening key shipping provisions. 

The bloc proposed adding a 45-day transition to the introduction of the cap, according to a document seen by Bloomberg. The proposed grace period would apply to oil loaded before Dec. 5 — the date oil sanctions are due to kick in — and unloaded by Jan. 19, aligning the EU to a clause previously announced by the US and the UK.

The EU is also proposing a 90-day transition in the event of any future changes to the level of the price cap.

Western Allies Aim to Agree on Russian Oil Price Cap Wednesday

The Wall Street Journal reports Western Allies Aim to Agree on Russian Oil Price Cap Wednesday emphasis mine.

Ambassadors from the 27 European Union member states are scheduled to meet Wednesday, when they will try to come to an agreement on a price. The bloc must agree on the price cap unanimously and diplomats warned that may prove difficult. The G-7 is aiming to approve the cap in sync with the EU.

The aim of the plan, which was pushed hard by Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, is to crimp Russian energy exports revenue while avoiding a surge in oil prices when a European embargo on Russian oil imports kicks in early next month. Despite European reluctance at the time, the G-7 first agreed on setting the oil price cap in June following Russia’s Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine.

The price cap will replace Europe’s plan to completely ban the financing and insurance of Russian oil shipments, which is set to take effect on Dec. 5. U.S. officials are worried those sanctions would cut Russian oil off from global markets and send energy prices higher, so they want to put into place the price cap by that date.

Aim of the Plan

The aim of the plan is to not eat Russian cake while eating Russian cake. 

It’s quite amazing that anyone thinks the plan can possibly work, but president Biden, the EU, Janet Yellen and even prominent economists think the cap is a good idea.

Q&A Why Not?

Q: Why not cap the price of everything and end inflation?
A: Figure it out.

Q: Is it possible a cap might seem to work?
A: Yes. If the cap is set high enough it will be meaningless. 

And if by some lucky fate a cap is set where the direction of oil is headed anyway, then the economic illiterates will be hooting and cheering their alleged success. 

Why Won’t Caps Work?

  • China, India and other countries will not go along. That’s enough right there to show the ridiculousness of the idea.
  • Countries in the EU have an incentive to cheat.  

The Incentive to Cheat

Here’s an amusing snip from the WSJ:

 “Under a compromise hammered out by U.S. and EU member state officials, the ban for vessels will now be time limited, according to people familiar with the plan. It will also rest on evidence that the vessel had deliberately breached the price cap.”

Oh, we breached the cap but it wasn’t deliberate. What a hoot.

One of Two Things

  1. The cap will fail and do nothing. 
  2. The cap fail spectacularly and drive up the price by re-routing oil headed to the EU to China and India instead. Then the EU will have to get oil from the US or OPEC over longer routes increasing the cost.

The above two points are in isolation. But things should not be viewed in isolation. Given a pending global recession, oil prices are likely to drop anyway. 

If they do, then as noted above, the economic illiterates will be hooting and cheering the alleged success of caps. 

This is all so stupid that only economists and politicians are dumb enough to believe it can work. 

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That third bullet point is from June 27. 

The US and EU have been struggling since then trying to get agreement on price caps. The bloc still needs approval from all 27 nations on a precise cap. 

The struggle to get agreement stems from the impossibility of the goal to not eat Russian cake while eating Russian cake. 

That alone tells you the plan is doomed.

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Cocoa
Cocoa
1 year ago
The dumbest people on planet earth are in leadership and micromanaging the death of the global economy. And we vote for some of these idiots
Dutoit
Dutoit
1 year ago
Reply to  Cocoa
In the US they were also many people who did vote and finally elected mentally disabled candidates, and even a dead one…
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
“It’s quite amazing that anyone thinks the plan can possibly work, but
president Biden, the EU, Janet Yellen and even prominent economists
think the cap is a good idea.”
It’s that virtue signalling thing, like 800 private jets showing up for COP27.
Sunriver
Sunriver
1 year ago
This winter may be the last time $100 Brent Crude is seen for awhile, but long term? Oil is still a remarkable play. Tesla? Not so much.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
What people need to understand is this whole Ukrainian affair, is just another disastrous neocon war. You’d think the neocons would learn, but no! When you’re on a religious crusade, disasters do not deter. America is squandering lives and dollars and loses it standing in the world, but do our stupid leaders care? He!! No! As long as the bribes (aka campaign contribution) continue, they will sell this nation down the river.
astroboy
astroboy
1 year ago
This war started because Obama and Hilary, not exactly neocons, meddled in Ukrainian politics to get a pro-western government in power, as opposed to leaving well enough alone and having Ukraine as a non-aligned buffer state. There is no way any Russian leader would have tolerated a Ukraine in the western bloc/NATO/American sphere of influence, they would see it as an existential threat. Same as the US would view Canada becoming a member of the Warsaw Pact with Russian bases, or, I don’t know, say, Cuba with Russian nuclear missiles.
Now, one can say they (Putin) had a distorted view and there’s some validity to that point. The bottom line is that the US meddling resulted in a war in which thousands of people have died and which could well get entirely out of hand. I’m not saying Putin isn’t a criminal, I’m looking at the bottom line. Who’s the winner? China. Certainly not Russia/Putin or the US. The US had nothing to gain and much to lose by Obama/Clinton’s foolishness.
I’m not a fan of neocons but you can’t blame this one on them, in my opinion. Which could be wrong, of course.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  astroboy
It was the neocons that kept pushing the idea that Ukraine would be allowed into NATO, a clear red line for the Russians (would the US allow Chinese military bases and missiles in Mexico?). Biden followed this line.
It was the neocons that armed the Ukrainians over the last 8 years and encouraged the Ukrainian shelling of Dombas, and the 2020 build-up of Ukrainian forces preparing to invade Donetsk. All in violation of the 2015 Minsk 2 accords.
You may not be aware but Russia and Ukraine had a draft peace agreement back in March this year, but the neocons sent idiot UK prime minister Johnson to Kyiv to nix it, which he did.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
The problem with labels is they generate stereotypes, and don’t always apply: eg. dreamers, neocons.
Instead, name actual names. It does far more damage.
Sunriver
Sunriver
1 year ago
The US neocons want to try out their new military toys. That is the reason we are pumping billions into the ‘altercation’.
Long term, some Ukrainian land will be seized, like in 2014. For what reason? War games to try out the new toys at the cost of so many lives.
Nothing new here except for a president, like Bush, that caters to neocons.
Isolationism is such a dirty word post WWII. It is not a cowardly position, but most often a prudent one.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver
“The US neocons want to try out their new military toys…” Says who? They had ample opportunity in Afghanistan.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
TY weekly breached a long term support line and moved up. It’s first stop might be June 13 fractal zone. It might test Aug highs.
How far it will go we don’t know. After few months/years it might plunge to the 105/95 trading range below.
Time will tell.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Does crypto have fractal zones, too?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Salmo Trutta : the stock of money is down. The Fed pay attention to interest rates, but not to money. Money move the world around. The Real M1, the real stock of money is down since Jan 2022 from $7.3T to $6.7T, down $600B. The Real M2 is down too.
The want of money is growing. Money shortages, delinquencies, falling stock markets, RE prices are signs of recession not inflation.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Of course the EU does what its master orders. The EU is now a completely subservient monoculture. As an EU citizen you are not allowed to have any opinion that differs from those of the State or the state machinery will cancel you, and the State does what it’s told by its master. Even George Orwell would be shocked about where we are today and how quickly we got here.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Sounds a lot like the US, but the masters subcontracted to tech companies.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
dunno how the US of fn A pulled it off; the worthless EU did not only shoot itself in the foot obeying its american master, it blew off both legs ! Have our idiotic leaders been bribed, blackmailed or whatever or are they just plain fn IDIOTS ??
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
They’re watching the recession in Russia and laughing as it falls apart.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
That’s called projection. The EU is the one whose economy is in tatters I tell you. Russia’s economy is doing just fine with rising industrial output, a stable currency and falling interest rates, and is expected to return to growth very soon.
It’s interesting that the (non-Western) World’s response to Russia defending itself in Ukraine and the West’s insane sanctions has been an enormous galvanization into new trade deals and the development of trade mechanisms that completely cut out the West. There was clearly a huge pent up energy out there that is now exploding into exciting, positive economic developments everywhere except within the sulking West. And no, the West can’t have its ball back.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
So, by invading, raping, torturing and murdering civilians and rationalizing it by claiming they’re Nazi’s, Putin was “protecting Russia”.
Targeting schools, churches and hospitals he was also “protecting Russia” by taking out women and children.
He’s “protecting Russia” by blowing up civilian electric utilities right at the start of Winter.
Interesting military strategy there, and it’s been noticed on the global stage for it’s raw stupidity and ineptitude.
Ukraine has regained 50% of what Putin has taken since February, despite it’s smaller numbers.
I don’t think there’s any historic comparison to such an extreme level of shame and embarrassment for any attempted conquest.
Russia, your country, is an embarrassment.
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astroboy
astroboy
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
See my post above. No Russian leader would *ever* tolerate Ukraine being in NATO or otherwise in the US sphere of influence, except possibly Gorbachev and the only reason he’d go along with it is because he’d foresee what is happening now. Putin probably actually does see himself as protecting Russia and isn’t too upset with a little collateral damage. Which is not to say he isn’t a criminal, but sometimes it’s beneficial to see things from the other guy’s point of view, per my post above.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  astroboy
It’s just baffling how short sighted Putin is, he seems to think the whole world will submit to the same power-play mentality that got him into power in Russia.
Russia was oblivious to true Democracy when he walked into power, it was a lot easier for him to play them, the rest of the world – not so much.
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RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
People have just suffered through the power play mentality of national and state leaders around the world during the treatable with already existing cheap anti-viral drugs, Covid-19 virus era.
Clinton’s power-play interference in the 1996 Russian election, kept Yeltsin in power. How was Clinton’s meddling in Russia’s election, democracy? It was foreign interference. It was Yeltsin that handed off to Putin. Putin might never have come to power, if Yeltsin had lost the 1996 election.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Wow, you really drank the propaganda Kool Aid!
Sure, Russia has targeted schools, hospitals and churches, but only because the Ukrainian military were hiding in them – see the Amnesty International report on this. For Ukraine to use civilians as human shields would normally be considered a war crime, but they get a free pass in this conflict, apparently. The Russian military has clearly been extremely careful not to harm civilians in Ukraine. If they had wanted to they could have flattened Kyiv or Odessa long ago but instead they use pin-point strikes on military targets. The Russians have only recently started to target dual-use military targets such as power infrastructure and bridges, and only because they have been forced into it by the Ukrainians’ crass inability to face the reality that they are losing this conflict.
Quite likely there have been isolated incidents of real war crimes on both sides in the conflict, I don’t doubt. Such as the Ukrainians recently murdering Russian prisoners of war in a well-documented case. There is little doubt that the Ukrainians are masters of creating false narratives and propaganda. They are proven liars. Remember the “Ghost of Kyiv” that shot down all those Russian planes? They now admit it was BS. Or the Defenders of Snake Island that died heroically defending the island to the last man? Except they actually surrendered pretty quickly and all survived. Or the old model Russian S-300 missile that managed to fly well over 1000 km from Russian-held territory to target a tractor in Poland? Old S-300 missiles have a maximum range of less than 100km. Or that it is the Russians currently shelling the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station? The Russians control the Zaporizhzhia power station and surrounds, and this is now considered by Russia to be Russian territory – they are shelling themselves, if you believe the Ukrainians’ nonsensical narrative.
As for Ukraine regaining Russian-held territory, this isn’t really true. Russia chose to withdraw from Kherson west of the Dnieper because it made little military sense to hold onto it. Every single battle in Kherson has been overwhelmingly won by the Russians, usually with staggering losses on the Ukrainian side. There was an interesting NYT article a couple of months back about just how one-sided these battles have been. Interestingly, the Ukrainians are also finding holding Kherson as having little military value and they are also evacuating the area. The lesson to the Ukrainians should be – be careful what you wish for!
The Russian loss of Kharkiv region was again because it was not considered strategically important so there were almost no Russian troops there, only local police and militia. As far as I can see, the only time the Ukrainians have inflicted an actual military defeat on the Russians was when they took Krasny Liman. Other than that, and despite the Russians being very much outnumbered, all real military encounters have only gone one way.
The current situation is that Russia is taking territory all along the front lines. Bakhmut – which is strategically important – is now almost operationally encircled by the Russians and is expected to fall soon. Ugledar is a similar story. This is happening because Ukraine is gradually losing its numerical advantage as the 380,000 Russian reservists slowly come on-line and more Ukrainian soldiers get deactivated in battle.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
What most of us know about Russia and Ukraine is what we’ve been told by the mass media. Some choose to believe it; and some do not. The ‘truth’ is likely in the middle, somewhere.
Putin’s strategy of infrastructure destruction is also a US tactic from its foreign exploits.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Will any of you kooks provide a source for your kooky statements? If you aren’t getting it from media, where does it come from? I suspect it’s Tucker, but you’re all embarrassed to be called Tucker’s Cucks, so you won’t say that.

Where DO you get your info? I would genuinely like to study it, and perhaps have my eyes opened to the deeper truth you elite enlightened ones perceive! Don’t hide it from me! Reveal your sources!

prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You quote REUTERS? One of the main Western propaganda tools? No hope for you.
According to the Russian Ministry of Economic Development Russia’s GDP is expected to shrink by 2.9% in 2022, 0.8% in 2023 and return to growth after that:
The Russian economy is in tatters I tell you! Tatters!
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Calling Reuters a propaganda outlet just affirms what I said about You Russians, you’re oblivious, a direct result of state controlled media.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Straight up regime propaganda from the source admits Russia is in recession? Maybe it says that… but I don’t read Russian. Apparently you do.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
As a Russian bot, of course I read Russian
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Read Sun Tzu and all will become clear.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Mr Brussels, you woke from your winter slumber early. I thought you would stay in your winter cave until springtime!
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
Jack=Zardoz= MarkrafnD = FN DELUDED COWARD !
Counter
Counter
1 year ago

ROME, Nov 18 (Reuters) – Italy is considering several options to save a Lukoil-owned (LKOH.MM) refinery in Sicily, including asking the European Union for a temporary waiver on upcoming sanctions on Russian oil, the country’s industry minister said on Friday.

A European embargo on seaborne Russian oil comes into effect on Dec. 5 and the Italian government is trying to keep the ISAB plant in Sicily operational and avoid risks to jobs and a loss of refining capacity.

TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
Agree that the caps will not work. But I disagree that “The insurance scheme was absurd. Russia would have exported oil in tankers not insured. The only loser would be Western insurance companies.” Remember what despotic corruption we are dealing with. Remember that the US and the UK conspired to destroy the Nord pipeline. So what stops the US from torpedoing Russian tankers which are no longer insured? Gee, another accident. How sad!
Don’t forget for one second just how corrupt and despotic Joke Biden is. Trump would NEVER have done anything like destroy Nord. But Brandon straight up did it.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Russians did it. Swedes have the evidence..
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
If there was any evidence that Russia did it, then the US MSM would be talking about it for days.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Which the Russians would then spam every right wing social media blog as “fake news”
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  whirlaway
They would not. It would mean that Russians it was state sponsored terrorism and would treat Russia similar to Cuba, Iran and North Korea. Means no more trade with states that trade with Russia. Means no more Russian oil or gas from Russia for Europe. Would complicate things so Swedes will not publicly announce.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
This fails the smell test, which is what happens when statements get pulled from the fundament.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
1 year ago
If anyone has not by now figured out that all Western so-called “leaders” are bribed/blackmailed, incompetent grifters, then they never will.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
Russia’s government is exponentially worse, flat out kleptocracy and most Russian citizens are oblivious.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
REALLY ?! What a fn fanatic CNN brainwashed fool you are !
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Like I said, oblivious
Naphtali
Naphtali
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Hmm. I notice that the likes are not going your way at the moment.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Naphtali
uh oh, Russia’s taken over the internet, we’re…doomed!
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
RIIIIIIGHT.
And we are defending “democracy” in Ukraine.
ROFLMAO.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
“And we are defending “democracy” in Ukraine.”
By “we” I assume you meant Americans.
American’s don’t refer to ourselves as “Westerners”, comrade.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Could you please cite your experience/travels in Russia to support your claim? Alternatively, preface your claim with IMHO, or similar.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
No and, no
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
A cap could work as long as there’s no minimum delivery. Russia could just sell them one barrel for $20 to show what hypocrites they are.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“Russia could just sell them one barrel for $20 to show what hypocrites they are.”
While I understand your point on supply/demand, statements like this make you look anti-American, pro-Russian.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Clever people, unaffected by western msm Nato propaganda, are pro Russian these days …. Pity we are a minority , but here we are and PROUD of it !!
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Funny, watching Russians pretending to be Americans that are pro-Russian.
Go back to Zerohedge.
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Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I don’t think you appreciate the intricacies of global politics and history. A policy that drives Russia closer to China establishes an Asian hegemony that can overwhelm other Asian countries and much of the EU without war. In particular, the impact of China’s ‘silk road’ and targeted investments through Africa, for example.
A foreign policy that de-escalates, and focuses on US-Russia trade, exchanges, and collaboration would make more sense than throwing billions of dollars at Ukraine…
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
China will not just toss aside trade with the U.S. to favor Russia.
Putin’s assumption was that we’d stand by idle, too afraid to upset global trade or be confronted with his Nuclear saber rattling.
He assumed all Americans were as afraid as you are, he was wrong.
Funny, I remember a time when the GOP had balls, seems that died after Reagan.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Not proud enough to fight alongside comrades, da?
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
An actual fight for Putin, as evidenced in Ukraine, would be futile, Prigozhin’s internet trolling & propaganda has been Russia’s forte… Putin’s generals & military strategy, not so much.
Avery
Avery
1 year ago
Don’t worry, the government isn’t broke, the fix is in.
Marktaxcpa
Marktaxcpa
1 year ago
And yet OPEC fixed the price of oil in the early 70s
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Marktaxcpa
The sellers were fixing the price. Not the buyers.
Marktaxcpa
Marktaxcpa
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Lol Buyers can fix prices
Capital can hold down wages of workers. Hence why unions start.
You think only sellers have power? Mish thinks so. Lol
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Marktaxcpa
As much as I want to agree, price is decided by supply in this case and OPEC is not on board with keeping supply high.
The ONLY real way to fix this problem is either decreased demand or increased supply, though there is some merit to price caps hurting Russia, it would also just decrease overall supply if/when Russia just refuses to sell at the cap.
Mish makes that point above by asking why we don’t just use caps to fix inflation…. Nixon tried capping prices and wages and it failed.
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Marktaxcpa
Marktaxcpa
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You are thinking short term affects only. In the long run the buyers can change the situation by pumping more themselves etc.
I agree price caps do not work in the long run they work against human nature. Notice I said long term. Price floors do not work in the long run either. OPEC learned that.
Mish is always writing negative pieces about sanctions etc. there is power on both sides that can also change over different times periods.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Marktaxcpa
“You are thinking short term affects only. In the long run the buyers can change the situation by pumping more themselves etc.”
The problem with increasing supply is that U.S. oil companies realize long term demand for oil is lower as we transition into alts, they won’t invest the CapEx for rigs & refineries.
As for sanctions, any time you diminish supply, prices go up, while Mish is right, I personally support the sanctions.
The only way we can change free market price is by decreasing demand (Nukes, EV’s, solar, wind), or by increasing supply.
The realistic solution is to speed up that transition
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
Reply to  Marktaxcpa
Well, do the buyers have a union in this case? A union that includes big fish like China and India? No. End of story.
cienfuegos
cienfuegos
1 year ago
Price-fixing for the most fungible commodity in the world?…duh.

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