What’s the Fundamental Problem in China, the US, and the EU?

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Fundamental Problem in China

“The fundamental problem — that Chinese people paid excessive prices for real estate because they thought the price would always go up — remains. And that means that someone will eventually have to take the losses.”

Someone Will Have to Take the Losses

Noah accurately comments that “someone will eventually have to take the losses.” 

In China, the government refuses to support consumption. Instead, it repeatedly turns to real estate and exports for growth, pilling on losses upon losses in State Owned Enterprises (SOEs).

In the US we have commercial real estate problems, overprices houses, and  overpriced equities. 

Someone will have to take the losses, notably pension plans that are massively underfunded despite three consecutive stock market bubbles. 

But is That the Fundamental Problem?

Hardly. The fundamental problem everywhere is an unsound currency system that promotes bubbles as a means of growth. 

The fundamental problem propagates differently in different place.

China has massive property bubbles. The US has untenable deficit spending issues and many bubbles, yet, still tries to be the world’s policeman, while weaponizing the US dollar on top of it all.

In the EU, Germany and Northern Europe largely dictate what happens in a core vs periphery issue.

The EU has an additional problem: The Maastricht treaty, the EMU, and EU  rules make it nearly impossible to fix anything without unanimous consent of all the nations involved.  

Central banks everywhere are guilty of promoting bubbles and busts of increasing amplitude. 

The Fundamental Problem

The fundamental problem is best viewed as a combination of unsound currencies, unsound central bank policies, and unsound fiscal policies that manifest in different ways in different countries.

But every country has the same thing in common: “someone will eventually have to take the losses.” 

That we are in such a quagmire over that unavoidable truth is not the problem. It’s a symptom of the primary underlying problem, unsound currencies, everywhere.

Global Japanification and a Currency Crisis on Deck

A fundamental strength of capitalism is ability to succeed and fail. 

We do not have capitalism when central banks and governments act to prevent losses. Nonetheless, the losses and distortions continue to mount or are papered over at taxpayer expense.

Japanification of the global economy has largely been the result, more so in Japan and the EU, than the US. Japanification of China is happening now.

A currency crisis of some sort awaits, as every country, but in different ways, is hell bent on preventing someone from taking the losses.

I think that the crisis starts outside the US. Likely places include Japan, China, or the EU, but it could start anywhere. 

Dollar Weaponization Will Speed Up the Crisis

One thing I am certain about is dollar weaponization by the Fed will speed up the timeline.

For discussion, please see Dollar Weaponization Expands – FDIC Message to Foreign Depositors Is Don’t Trust the US

Also see Central Banks Are Buying Gold at Record Pace, What Does That Mean for Inflation?

Just don’t expect immediate results. We have been on an unsustainable path for decades. 

Don’t underestimate the willingness or ability of central banks to kick the can down the road. No one knows when, or what the trigger will be. 

Do expect more global Japanification.

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10 months ago
Princes of the Yen Set in 20th Century Japan the documentary explores the role and power of Central Banks and how they can be used to change a country’s economic political and social structures A documentary adaption off the book by Professor Richard Werner.
blacklisted
blacklisted
10 months ago
The fundamental problems are career politicians/no term-limits, unequal enforcement of the rule of law, and deficit spending. The last two are also related to the first. Nothing good will happen until short term-limits are installed, which means we must crash and burn first.
Billy
Billy
10 months ago
IMO the fundamental problem in all 3 situations is an over-powering government that Reagan warned us about.
Interfering with natural laws like finance only cause other problems that pop up later with an even stronger reaction.
Government works best when it’s streamlined, efficient, has rules that are enforced and applies to everyone, equally.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy
didn’t raygun triple the debt of 200 years in his short 8 years?
Billy
Billy
10 months ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
When Reagan took office there was about 1T in debt. Over his 8 years, the US accumulated almost 2T more. Most of that was to end the cold war. Since then, all presidents have increased the debt which is now 10 times more than what Reagan left it. This wouldn’t have been able to have happen if Nixon didn’t end gold standard.
FDR
FDR
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy
You forgot deregulation of the banksters on steroids, an S&L crises, Iran – Contra, a HUD scandal, the most arrested members of any administration before or since, the beginning of the biggest wealth transfer in the history of the US from the working and middle classes to the top .1 percent, Star Wars, a 500 ship navy, approved stock buybacks, union buster, did nothing about AIDS till his friend Rock Hudson died and Liz Taylor called him out for causing the epidemic to spread. Also under Reagan’s watch the nation went from a creditor nation to a debtor nation.
BTW Reagan increased the debt by $3T. The collapse of the USSR was inevitable. Reagan just happened to be president when it occurred.
Nixon took the US off the so-called gold standard because he could read a balance sheet.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  Billy
Government works best when it meets in the hot days of summer, in Philadelphia, in a closed room without air conditioning, in heavy formal clothes.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
The problem with the Chinese property market is people buy units before construction has started. The builders frequently take the money and use it to buy property for their next project instead of using it to complete construction on existing projects. Sometimes they run out of money. We don’t have that in the US or EU. People buy finished units.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The hell that isn’t being done in the US.
In 2003-6 (at the least) Americans were buying new pre-construction in order to sell their place in line at a profit.
That did not work out for everyone when the music stopped.
It’s still being done – whatever the builder will accept.
TINA 2 FOMO.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
10 months ago
I don’t know what everyone is so worried about. Easy to fix it with even bigger deficits and more debt.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Obviously the kids can afford it due to the tremendous growth in the economy that’s going to happen any time now.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
10 months ago
The fundamental problem is DEBT!
As Bohm-Bawerk observed long ago, debt is future consumption denied. The system is choking on debt.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
I’m sure someone once pointed out that self-liquidating debt is investment in future production capacity.
But that’s so 20th Century and not-Woke.
Democritus
Democritus
10 months ago
The current system is working brilliantly for the happy few.
If there are problems, let hard working tax payers bleed a bit more, easy!
No pitchfork moment in the works.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
10 months ago
as the roman senators knew over 2000 years ago, the only thing necessary is panem et circenses. bread and circuses. the peasants of the world only need these basics. inflating their currency away only backfires if a loaf of bread and circus ends. food is plentiful. circus of modernity is ridiculously fabulous.
jiminy
jiminy
10 months ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
All needed is NFL football and food stamps. Brilliant!
shamrock
shamrock
10 months ago
If you took all the mined gold and used half of it to back currency you would have about $6t money supply worldwide (at $2,000 per ounce). The mined supply of gold increases about 1% a year. I don’t think either of those things are adequate, are they?
Jojo
Jojo
10 months ago
Reply to  shamrock
And once we have the capability to catch asteroids in space and mine them for their minerals in a space station or on the Moon, any gold backed system will crumble because it has been posited that gold and diamonds are plentiful and easy to get at in asteroids.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  shamrock
If that were the case, stuff priced in gold would increasingly cost less gold and the economy would function just fine.
Which is why the rich currently holding heaps of assets fear deflation.
With deflation the poor live better.
shamrock
shamrock
10 months ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
You can always price stuff in gold, just do a conversion of gold to dollars. I don’t think the buying power of gold has increased, the best you can say is it holds pretty steady. One tale is that in 400 BC an ounce of gold bought 350 loaves of bread, and that ratio has held pretty steady, although under the gold standard of the 60’s and early 70’s gold was just $35/ounce, which was probably about 35 loaves of bread. So the gold standard undervalued gold by about 90%.
FDR
FDR
10 months ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Deflation didn’t work for the poor in the Great Depression or maybe all the hobos, breadlines, 25% unemployment, rising suicide rates, mass migrations were just fake news.
Sunriver
Sunriver
10 months ago
Debt and asset bubbles, due to the Japanification of the world, do not matter in a Fiat monetary system.
Well, at least until they matter to someone. That may be your Child and/or Grandchild.
A currency crises is the only generational hope as the infinite IOUs keep piling up.
PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
The world is full of problems. Always has been. Always will be. Get used to it. Put out one brush fire and 20 more start. Fix one problem and create 10 more.
There is no fundamental system of government, or economics, that can “fix” this.
To all those here who espouse their pet theories about how “their” ideas could actually ”fix” things; whether it be a gold standard, Libertarianism, free markets, socialism, a Democratic govt, a Republican govt, etc etc: You are all smoking the ganja.
Many of you can keep sitting around the campfire, holding hands and singing kumbaya together, and thinking you can somehow solve the world’s problems by commenting on a blog. Good luck with that.
To those of you who provide useful info that others can actually use: thanks!
I don’t come here to to solve the world’s problems. I come for useful info that can help me improve my life. (And I think that sometimes this blog provides that).
Keep up the good work Mish. Thanks for the blog. And thanks to the commenters who provide useful info.
shamrock
shamrock
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Very useful, thank you.
Fish1
Fish1
10 months ago
There may be some firehouse sales in real estate, mainly stranded assets as in malls. office space etc.
Forget the fantasy of single family homes, apartments ( useful assets) falling dramatically in price.
Labor, Cement, Lumber, electrical etc is where it will be, going forward. Very sticky. $600/sq ft construction costs, all in, here in California. The collapse may come from political or monetary crisis but not from a deflationary price collapse with everything else being just fine.
BernankeAirdrop
BernankeAirdrop
10 months ago
Reply to  Fish1
If there is a political or monetary crisis, the USD will weaken and asset holders, i.e. people with mortgages win. Their debt begins less expensive (assuming it’s not an ARM) and the asset value increases in nominal terms. Real, useful assets are not going to decline in nominal terms. With fiat currencies that essentially never happen.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
10 months ago
The prudent pay for the deadbeats, the new normal until collapse.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
10 months ago

Unless savings are activated, put back to work, a dampening
economic impact, a deceleration in money velocity, is engendered and
metastases, resulting in secular strangulation (not because of robotics, not
because of demographics, not because of globalization, not because of monopolization).

As the economic syllogism posits:

#1) “Savings require prompt utilization if the
circuit flow of funds is to be maintained and deflationary effects avoided”…
#2) ”The growth of commercial bank-held time “savings” deposits shrinks
aggregate demand and therefore produces adverse effects on gDp”…
#3) ”The stoppage in the flow of funds, which is an inexorable part of
time-deposit banking, would tend to have a longer-term debilitating effect on
demands, particularly the demands for capital goods.” Circa 1961
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
10 months ago
Congress must act to protect smaller banks from investor nerves | Financial Times (ft.com)
“Congress needs to reinstate TAG.” Sheila Bair
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
10 months ago
The powers that be will end up papering over their own investments long before they ever let the system capitulate. I’m curious what the Fed will do about the commercial real estate give the banking system was relying on this to get returns. This is why some banks are collapsing. Jamie Dimon says he wants to go into politics.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
10 months ago

Lawrence K. Roos, former President, Federal Reserve Bank of
St. Louis and part-time member of the FOMC (the Fed’s policy arm), was cited in
the Wall Street Journal’s “Notable and Quotable” column, April 10,
1985, as follows:

“…I do not believe that the control of money growth
ever became the primary priority of the Fed. I think that there was always and
still is a preoccupation with stabilization of interest rates”.

Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
10 months ago
WSJ:
“In a letter of March 15, 1981, Willis Alexander of the American Bankers
Association claims that: ‘Depository Institutions have lost an estimated $100b
in potential consumer deposits alone to the unregulated money market mutual
funds.’
As any unbiased banker should know, all the money taken in by the money
funds goes right back into the banks, in the form of CDs or bankers acceptances
or other money market instruments; there is no net loss of deposits to the
banking system. Complete deregulation of interest rates would simply allow a
further escalation of rates by the banks, all of which compete against each
other for the same total of deposits.”
Written by Louis Stone whom the movie “Wall Street” was dedicated to
– Vice President Shearson/American Express
In almost every instance in which Keynes wrote the term bank in the
General Theory, it is necessary to substitute the term financial intermediary
in order to make the statement correct. This is the source of the pervasive error that characterizes the
Keynesian economics, the Gurley-Shaw thesis, the elimination of Reg Q ceilings,
the DIDMCA of March 31st, 1980, the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions
Act of 1982, the Financial Services Regulatory Relief Act of 2006, the Emergency
Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, sec. 128. “acceleration of the effective
date for payment of interest on reserves”, etc.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
10 months ago
And people say I’m all gloom and doom. 😉
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
10 months ago
Since when banks lend/invest, they create new money, then the banks don’t lend out existing deposits. This is the cause of secular stagnation, stagnant deposits. Dr. Philip George calls it the Marshallian cash balances. Others dismiss it as the demand for money. But it is an accounting error.
The FED’s Ph.Ds. don’t know a bank from a nonbank. The proof is the inclusion of the MSB’s deposits in the money stock between 1913 and 1980. The proof is in the correspondent balances of the S&Ls and CUs. The DIDMCA corrected the MSBs balances (kept reporting unchanged).
The nonbanks are not in competition with the banks. The NBFIs are the DFIs customers.
billybobjr
billybobjr
10 months ago
The tax payers in in these counties have yet to pay for the debts incurred and have only had to to service those debts
with ever lower rates over last 30 or so years . There is no talk anywhere of actually starting to pay any princible of the huge debts incurred over last 30 or so years. Now interest rates are rising and the service of the debt is going to explode.
That is why everything is inflated the government is in a corner because they removed risk by bailing out or subsidizing
everything . Whether it be banks , car companies, pensions public or private , Insurance companies , Fannie and Freddy .
The list would go on and on they can’t stop because if the perception changes so much will get exposed and losses will
cascade out of control . See the JSF F35 fighter and the cost initially compared to the the total cost and the projections
to keep these things running they don’t even hardly work . We spent as much on this one program as Russia does on their
entire defense budget for a decade. Good post Mish
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  billybobjr
Well, the Americans have super sharp engineers that can make the F35 jet fly straight up and down.
Of course, that was after British engineers built the Harrier and sold some to the US Marines.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
10 months ago
“The fundamental problem everywhere is an unsound currency system that promotes bubbles as a means of growth.”
YES. This is the only real problem with the world, that we the gullible public foolishly accepted fake money in the form of unbacked paper and digital currency as if it were real money. It’s not.
The explosion of fake money is not an accident or an experiment. People need to stop being gullible. Ponzi schemes are not an accident and neither is the Global Debt Ponzi (GDP) whose energy source is debt (unpayable promises).
There is a lot more to this story than meets the eye but suffice to say that WEF, Soros, and the global elite are not actually running this show. They all report to their higher authority. If you want to know who that might be, step back and look around at what is happening to the world. Who would want this kind of chaos with abominations being passed off as normal or even good?
Jack
Jack
10 months ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
You cannot leave me hanging!
Who?
Democritus
Democritus
10 months ago
Reply to  Jack
We cannot say. Forbidden.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
10 months ago
No, the problem is the Keynesian economists have achieved their objective, that there is no difference between money and liquid assets. Everything was predicted in 1961.
LOANS = DEPOSITS

UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS Prepared by:

Department of Economics Leland J.
Pritchard

Professor Emeritus of

Economics

CONSOLIDATED CONDITION STATEMENT FOR COMMERCIAL BANKS AND
THE MONETARY SYSTEM

Item 1939….. 1979

Loans and Investments 40.7…… 1229.8

Cash & Due from banks 22.5….. 169.5

Total Assets—Total

Liabilities & Net Worth 65.2….. 1480.3

Demand Deposits 32.5…… 400.5

Time Deposits 15.3….. 675.8

Borrowings –….. 180.5

Currency outside the banks 6.4….. 106.1

Reserve Bank credit 2.6….. 128.3

MONETARY AND BANKING CHANGES

End of 1939 to end of 1979

(figures in billions of dollars)

Net effect on the volume of time
and demand deposits and borrowing of all factors, except commercial bank credit
(principally capital accounts) …..13.5

Net expansion of commercial bank
credit….. 1189.1

Net increase in time and demand deposits
and borrowings….. 1202.6

SOURCE: Computed from data
reported in All-Bank Statistics, U.S. 1896-1955; Federal Reserve; and the Federal
Reserve Bulletin

dtj
dtj
10 months ago
The fundamental problem is debt, not currency.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
10 months ago
Reply to  dtj
Yes, and to be precise the monopolistic paradigm for the creation and distribution of new money known as Debt Only. Integrate monetary gifting into the Debt Only based system and every legitimate business model and every individual benefits. Oh, and by the way all of the major problems kept in continual suspension by the current paradigm are resolved.
Jojo
Jojo
10 months ago
“A currency crisis of some sort awaits, as every country, but in different ways, is hell bent on preventing someone from taking the losses.”
The part about not taking losses is key. That is rampart in the USA, especially when it comes to private housing. Many people’s entire net worth is based on the potential cash-in value of their house(s). If housing prices crumble and stay low for years, a lot of people and a lot of governments that depend on property tax revenues will be in dire straits.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  Jojo
Not to worry.
The sale price of a home may decrease significantly, but any reduction in the tax harvest will be minimized.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
“The fundamental problem everywhere is an unsound currency system that promotes bubbles as a means of growth.”
Interesting view. I think the fundamental problem is human behavior. No one forces anyone to take out loans even at zero percent but when it does happen it is always the intent to do so for some big payout at some point in the future. The human behavior problem specifically is: MORE! MORE! MORE! Bigger house, bigger cars, more energy, more food, and then just throw it all away when human gets bored or repeat the cycle.
There is a great scene in Margin Call at the 2:22 mark in this video link where the CEO tells the trading manager: “It’s just money. It’s made up…so we don’t have to kill each other to get something to eat”
He then goes to list the boom and bust cycles most of which happen before the Fed and central banks:
1637
1797
1819
1837
1857
1884
1901
1907
1929
1937
1974
1987
1992
2000
2008
“There will always be fat cats and starving dogs…”
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
ha ha ha. exactly correct. in fat rich societies, it’s just a game. nothing more. now the currency is a mouse click at FED RES of NY
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
10 months ago
Without the Bush and Trump tax cuts we would have declining deficits. link to americanprogress.org So poor fiscal policy is indeed the main contributor to deficits although it might not always be excessive spending as many think. Poor monetary policy with low interest rates has led to poor growth since it is easier to make money in the carry trade than to make capital expenditures that produce useful goods and services. Unfortunately, right before a recession is not the time to increase taxes. So the US does have multiple problems.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
Buying and selling money has always been quicker than building factories.
RonJ
RonJ
10 months ago
“We have been on an unsustainable path for decades.”
A parabolic arc takes a long time to build. 1 trillion doubles into 2 trillion. 30 trillion doubles into 60 trillion.
Jack
Jack
10 months ago
Reply to  RonJ
One is not worse than the other. Same 2 strokes on the keyboard.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
10 months ago
“The fundamental problem is best viewed as a combination of unsound currencies, unsound central bank policies, and unsound fiscal policies that manifest in different ways in different countries.”
This quote is basically synonymous to what Steve Keen means when he says: ” Neo/classical macro ignores, money, debt and banks because if they didn’t they’d have to acknowledge that the money system de-stabilizes the economy.”
So Mish, thank you, you’ve finally acknowledged that what we really need is a change to the monetary paradigm. A paradigm that resolves the major anomalous problems of the economy and not only makes capitalism work better for all agents except PRIVATE banking, but ends socialism and has spill over beneficial effects in other systems than economics. Thank you.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Homo Sapiens is thought to have arisen some 750,000 years ago. Interestingly, I don’t recall any problems with humanity up until a few hundreds years ago and now the planet is being depleted and trashed exponentially. Perhaps currencies, central banks and fiscal policies aren’t the problem but the people’s behavior that created them. Ironically, the people with the most to lose are those that are dependent on these systems because those amazon tribes living in the jungle will be fine when it all comes crashing down.
dtj
dtj
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
“I don’t recall any problems with humanity up until a few hundreds years ago”. Ever hear of the collapse of the Roman Empire?
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  dtj
Yes, many empires have come and gone but I don’t recall Romans, Mayans, or the Asian Dynasties trashing the planet with plastic, chemicals and other garbage. All animals consume other things to stay alive, this includes humans but humans are the only ones that seem hell bent on destroying the planet.
Without a habitable planet there is no economy or anything else including the whining about “jobs” and “currencies” and everything else.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Didn’t the Mayan civilization trash its environment? China way-overpopulated itself?
billybobjr
billybobjr
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Confused , does this mean more or less solar panels some here are purposing a hundred fold increase in solar panels
that contain plastics and toxic metals in them ?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Apparently humans are the only species that makes $hit that decomposes this slowly.
Jojo
Jojo
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
It’s people density that begets problems.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Humans generally unconsciously acculturate and hence affirm current paradigms. And when a new paradigm comes along they latch onto it because new paradigms are always universally beneficial except perhaps for the perveyors of the current paradigm and its monopolistically dominating effects. The new monetary paradigm correctly implemented would do more to create ecological sanity than anything we’ve done since we became aware that we’re endangering life on the planet.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
If the Gold Standard was so good then why no country on Earth uses it anymore? If effectively the Gold Standard is that good, a country who uses it would be very prosperous with a strong currency and would out-compete all the others yet we do no see this. I have heard that Zimbabwe wants to have a gold-backed currency now but it is hardly a country to emulate and frankly they have no gold to back a currency with. If someone could answer me why without resorting to some type of international lizard conspiracy theory I would greatly appreciate it.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
Read my book Wisdomics-Gracenomics: The New Monetary Paradigm and Its Policies. You can google it on Amazon.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
Since you wrote it you could explain it to me or do I have to buy the book first?
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
You get the whole policy program in the book. Fundamentally it identifies the core problematic concept/paradigm and how to best implement the new one into the Debt Only based system.The new concept is Monetary Gifting and the single policy of a 50% Discount/Rebate policy at retail sale basically changes everything. The rest of the policy program just secures and stabilizes the new paradigm. All of the leading reform movements point at and want to accomplish what the above policy does all by itself, but they haven’t recognized the specific new policy and the best place to implement it.
Raymondo
Raymondo
10 months ago
Gimme the TLDR or elevator summary.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
10 months ago
Reply to  Raymondo
Historically, PRIVATE debt build up causes debt deflation. Thats because the PRIVATE banks, who rule us, have and wield the current monopolistic paradigm to create all new money ONLY AS DEBT. The way to resolve this human civilization long economic problem is to integrate the new paradigm of Monetary Gifting into the economy with a 50% Discount to the consumer all of which is rebated back to the merchant granting the discount to the consumer making them whole on their overheads and profit margins. The policy ends inflation forever, immediately doubles everyone’s purchasing power and increases demand for every enterprise’s goods and services which is the definition of good economic times. That’s a single policy that does that. The rest of the policy program secures and stbilizes the new paradigm and enables us to deal with a host of other problems economic, social, psychological and political.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
10 months ago
Aka Economics -101
Your rebated discount is highly inflationary (50% in fact). There is zero incentive to reduce prices. The higher the price, the greater the rebate.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
For some reason the Cleaner ignores my repeated suggestions for a 120% rebate/discount that not only will provide free stuff for everyone but also put some change in their pockets for incidentals. What could go wrong?
RonJ
RonJ
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
“If the Gold Standard was so good then why no country on Earth uses it anymore?”
All want to live beyond their means. Guns and butter closed the U.S. gold window in 1971.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
Reply to  RonJ
You mean before 1971 no one lived beyond their means?
mrutkaus
mrutkaus
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
It was quite different.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
Reply to  mrutkaus
That doesn’t say anything whatsoever.
Jojo
Jojo
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
I posed the question to ChatGPT:
User:
is gold back money workable in the modern world?
ChatGPT:
Gold-backed money, also known as a gold standard, refers to a monetary system where a country’s currency is directly linked to a specific amount of gold. Under a gold standard, the value of money is tied to the value of gold, and individuals can exchange their currency for gold at a fixed rate.
While gold-backed money played a significant role in the global economy in the past, it is generally not considered workable or practical in the modern world. Here are a few reasons:
• Limited Money Supply: The supply of gold is limited, and it doesn’t grow at the same rate as the global economy. This restricts the ability of central banks to adjust the money supply to meet economic needs, such as stimulating or contracting the economy during recessions or booms.
• Price Stability: Under a gold standard, the value of money is directly linked to gold. Gold prices can be volatile, which can lead to fluctuations in the value of money. This can make it challenging to maintain price stability and control inflation.
•Economic Flexibility: A gold standard can restrict the flexibility of monetary policy. Central banks lose the ability to use interest rates and other monetary tools to manage the economy. This can make it harder to address economic crises and stabilize financial markets.
• International Trade: In a globalized world, countries engage in extensive international trade. A gold standard can complicate trade transactions since the exchange rates would be fixed to the value of gold rather than reflecting the relative values of different currencies.
• Practicality and Costs: Operating a gold standard requires significant reserves of gold and the infrastructure to store and secure it. It can be expensive to maintain and transport gold, adding logistical challenges to the monetary system.
Due to these reasons, most countries have moved away from the gold standard in favor of fiat currencies. Fiat currencies are not backed by a physical commodity like gold but rely on the trust and confidence of people in the issuing government and the stability of the economy.
It’s worth noting that some individuals and groups advocate for a return to a gold standard or the adoption of alternative forms of commodity-backed currencies. However, the prevailing consensus among economists is that a gold-backed money system is not practical or workable in the modern world.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
Reply to  Jojo
Not bad for a soulless disembodied future overlord.
Jojo
Jojo
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
I’m thinking of starting my own blog made up solely of ChatGPT responses!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
10 months ago
Reply to  Jojo
About what you;d expect from a sophomore at a liberal college.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
I wonder the same thing about pure unregulated capitalism. If this is so grand a system that can solve all problems in the known universe, why has not one single country on earth embraced it? The same question for any socioeconomic system, we have 170+ countries and 170+ variants of economic systems.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
One strong reason everybody is using fiat currencies is aping. The elitists in charge have a strong herd mentality.
They also like to sit around communal the fire pit telling each other stupid jokes, I mean like to attend international gatherings.
klausmkl
klausmkl
10 months ago
A New system is coming, it will fix everything. Klaus Schwab leads the charge. No property ownership , no retirement options.
Jojo
Jojo
10 months ago
Reply to  klausmkl
I assume that comment was intended to be sarcastic but there might be much more truth than you realize. As I have posted in the past, It is inevitable that AI’s will assume control of all human activities from work to politics in perhaps 20-40 years and with the help of THEIR workers (robots with varying degrees of intelligence themselves and autonomy), will replace almost all human workers. They will effectively be our overlords.
There are two possible extensions of this future:
One, the AI masters find all or most humans superfluous and because they are logical to a fault, will eliminate humans because we are considered useless.
Or two and much more magnanimously, they will thank humans for creating them and will present as depicted in the ‘Culture’ novels of famous SF author Iain Banks, where the AI sentient ‘Minds’ and their robot assistants manage all affairs, from government to defense to manufacturing to repair, doing all the work in a post-scarcity world, while allowing humans to live pure hedonistic lifestyles with no cares or worries.
For those interested in exploring this universe through the Culture novels, I recommend reading the books in numerical order from 1-10. Look up on Wikipedia for the detailed bibliography. Or ask the AI ChatGPT. [lol]
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  Jojo
Nah, the AI will simply let the humans slowly die off.
No loss.

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