The New York Times reports Biden to approve Ukraine’s use of long-range missiles in Russia. The White House would neither confirm nor deny the escalation.
Use of Long-Range Weapons
The New York Times reports Biden Poised to Approve Ukraine’s Use of Long-Range Western Weapons in Russia
President Biden appears on the verge of clearing the way for Ukraine to launch long-range Western weapons deep inside Russian territory, as long as it doesn’t use arms provided by the United States, European officials say.
The issue, which has long been debated in the administration, is coming to a head on Friday, as Britain’s new prime minister, Keir Starmer, visits the White House.
Britain has already signaled to the United States that it is eager to let Ukraine use its “Storm Shadow” long-range missiles to strike at Russian military targets far from the Ukrainian border. But it wants explicit permission from Mr. Biden in order to demonstrate a coordinated strategy with the United States and France, which makes a similar missile. American officials say Mr. Biden has not made a decision, but will hear from Mr. Starmer on Friday.
On Thursday, White House officials insisted there was no imminent decision on the use of the American-made surface-to-surface Army Tactical Missile Systems — known as ATACMS. But Mr. Biden himself has signaled that a loosening of restrictions is coming. He was asked on Tuesday whether he was ready to grant the increasingly insistent requests from President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. “We are working that out right now,” he said.
Quietly, Republican leaders in the Senate, especially Mitch McConnell, the minority leader, have been urging an aggressive response — a sharp split with former President Donald J. Trump.
On Thursday, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia issued an unusually specific warning to the West, noting that the Ukrainians alone cannot operate the long-range missiles, because they require Western technical help and satellite guidance.
“This will mean that NATO countries — the United States and European countries — are at war with Russia,” Mr. Putin said, according to a report by the Kremlin. “And if this is the case, then, bearing in mind the change in the essence of the conflict, we will make appropriate decisions in response to the threats that will be posed to us.”
On-the-Record Press Gaggle
A White House On-the-Record Press Gaggle with National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby revealed little.
WSJ reporter: There’s been a lot of reporting that the coalition, the Western coalition, is going to lift a ban on Ukraine using long-range weapons in Ukraine. I’m wondering if you can give us a little bit of context of why this is now being seriously considered.
Kirby: There’s been no change to our policy, Lara, with respect to the long-range strike capability inside Russia, and I’d leave it at that.
AFP Reporter: Will the President be looking at approving just the use of British and French missiles with U.S. technology or navigational aid? Or is there a decision possible for the use of U.S. missiles in the future?
Kirby: Look, I can’t speak for the British or the French one way or another. What I said was I wouldn’t be looking for an announcement today about long-range strike capabilities inside Russia, certainly anything — certainly by the United States.
NYT Reporter: While I’m not asking you to speak for the French or the British, they have clearly indicated their increased willingness to allow that to happen. And I wonder if, from the U.S.’s perspective, the U.S. needs to give, either because of legal or political reasons, their blessing for that, or is that something that they can proceed with on their own, without the U.S.?
And then secondly, back earlier this week, when the President was asked a couple of questions as he got on Marine One, he was asked, you know, will you lift restrictions on the use of long-range weapons by Ukraine, and his answer was, “We’re working that out right now,” which definitely suggests at least a shift in the discussions. And I wonder if you could talk about what the — you know, kind of what the, you know, place — where those discussions are now, and if, in your view, they are closer to some sort of resolution than they have been.
Kirby: We are in constant contact with our allies and partners, and particularly the Brits and the French, as you indicate, about all manner of ways in which we can continue to support Ukraine. Of course, these are sovereign countries, and they have to decide what that support looks like in ways that they find amenable to them and to their population, and we respect that.
And I — all I can do to answer your second question is to go back to how I answered it before: There is no change to our view on the provision of long-range strike capabilities for Ukraine to use inside Russia, and I wouldn’t expect any sort of major announcement in that regard coming out of the discussions, certainly not from our side. I also leave it to the Prime Minister to decide what he wants to talk about.
Reporter Affiliation Unknown: On the first question, some people have suggested to me that there are perhaps, in the British and French missiles, that there are American components or that the missiles use American capabilities. So, from a legal perspective, do they need the U.S.’s permission to allow those to be used, given the current — where the U.S. currently stands? Or can they make that decision without the U.S.’s permission?
Kirby: I would just say that we continue to talk with both those countries and other allied countries about the kinds of capabilities that are being provided to Ukraine. And I’m going to leave it at that.
Reporter Affiliation Unknown: Putin publicly said that Western weapons striking deeper into Russia would, quote, “change the very essence of the conflict.” So my question is — and I realize there’s no announcement today, so no need to repeat that — but is this prospect of long-range strike weapons, in your view, the red line that Russia has said — that you actually believe constitutes a red line in Russia’s eyes?
Do you take Putin at his words that strikes into Russian territory by U.S.- or British- or French-made missiles would actually expand the war?
Kirby: It’s hard to take anything coming out of Putin’s face at his word. But this is not rhetoric that we haven’t heard from him before, so there’s really not a lot new there.
Reporter Affiliation Unknown: So, in other words, you know, in the deliberations about this long-range strike, threats from Putin are not a big factor for you guys in your deliberations on this?
Kirby: I never said, nor have I — would we ever say that we don’t take Mr. Putin’s threats seriously. When he starts brandishing the nuclear sword, for instance, yeah, we take that seriously, and we constantly monitor that kind of activity. He obviously has proven capable of aggression. He has obviously proven capable of escalation over the last, now, going on three years.
So, yeah, we take these comments seriously, but it is not something that we haven’t heard before. So, we take note of it. Got it. We have our own calculus for what we decide to provide to Ukraine and what not. And I think I’d leave it there.
Why Even Bother With a Press Conference?
If all you are going to do is say “Our policy has not changed and I’ll leave it at that,” what the heck is the point of a press conference other than to look foolish?
Then again, we do have a dangerous admission that the neocon nutcases are willing to take Putin’s comments seriously, then ignore them.
Storm Shadow Missiles
The BBC comments What are Storm Shadow missiles and why are they crucial for Ukraine?
There are strong indications that the US and UK are poised to lift their restrictions within days on Ukraine using long-range missiles against targets inside Russia.
Ukraine already has supplies of these missiles, but is restricted to firing them at targets inside its own borders. Kyiv has been pleading for weeks for these restrictions to be lifted so it can fire on targets inside Russia.What Is Storm Shadow?
Storm Shadow is an Anglo-French cruise missile with a maximum range of around 250km (155 miles). The French call it Scalp.
Britain and France have already sent these missiles to Ukraine – but with the caveat that Kyiv can only fire them at targets inside its own borders.
It is launched from aircraft then flies at close to the speed of sound, hugging the terrain, before dropping down and detonating its high explosive warhead.
Storm Shadow is considered an ideal weapon for penetrating hardened bunkers and ammunition stores, such as those used by Russia in its war against Ukraine.
But each missile costs nearly US$1 million (£767,000), so they tend to be launched as part of a carefully planned flurry of much cheaper drones, sent ahead to confuse and exhaust the enemy’s air defences, just as Russia does to Ukraine.
What Difference Could Storm Shadow Make?
Some, but it may be a case of too little too late. Kyiv has been asking to use long-range Western missiles inside Russia for so long now that Moscow has already taken precautions for the eventuality of the restrictions being lifted.
It has moved bombers, missiles and some of the infrastructure that maintains them further back, away from the border with Ukraine and beyond the range of Storm Shadow.The Institute for the Study of War think tank (ISW) has identified around 200 Russian bases that would be in range of Storm Shadows fired from Ukraine. Some further additional bases would come into range if the US approves the use of ATACMS missiles in Russia.
But one ex-US official told the BBC that there was scepticism in the White House and the Pentagon about how much difference using Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia would make to Ukraine’s war effort.
Matthew Savill, director of military science at Rusi think tank, believes lifting restrictions would offer two main benefits to Ukraine.
Firstly, it might “unlock” another system, the ATACMs. Secondly, it would pose a dilemma for Russia as to where to position those precious air defences, something he says could make it easier for Ukraine’s drones to get through.
Ultimately though, says Savill, Storm Shadow is unlikely to turn the tide. Ukraine doesn’t have many missiles, and the UK has very few left to give.
Canada Fully Backs Ukraine Using Long-Range Weaponry
Reuters reports Canada Fully Backs Ukraine Using Long-Range Weaponry
Canada fully supports Ukraine using long-range weaponry to “prevent and interdict Russia’s continued ability to degrade Ukrainian civilian infrastructure”, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Friday.
Trudeau told reporters that Russian President Vladimir Putin was trying to deeply destabilize the international rules-based order and added: “That’s why Canada and others are unequivocal that Ukraine must win this war against Russia.”
Putin Warns of ‘War’ with NATO
ZeroHedge comments UK’s Starmer, Canada’s Trudeau, Pressure Biden to Escalate with Russia Despite Putin Warning of ‘War’ with NATO.
Russian leadership has issued a follow-up statement to President Vladimir Putin’s Thursday brief video address warning that if the US and UK authorize Ukraine to pursue long-range strikes on Russian soil, then NATO and the Russian Federation will be in an official state of war.
On Friday Russia’s ambassador to the United Nations, Vassily Nebenzia, informed the UN Security council that NATO countries would “start an open war” in allowing Western long-range missiles to target Russia.
“If such a decision is made, that means NATO countries are starting an open war against Russia,” Moscow’s envoy introduced. “In that case, we will obviously be forced to make certain decisions, with all the attendant consequences for Western aggressors.”
To review of Putin’s firm words the day prior…
“So this is not about whether or not to allow the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia using these weapons, but of deciding whether or not NATO countries are directly involved in the military conflict or not. If such a decision is taken, it will mean nothing short of direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, European countries, in the war in Ukraine.
This would constitute their direct participation, and this, of course, changes the very essence, the very nature of the conflict. It will mean that NATO countries, the United States and European countries, are at war with Russia. And if this is so, bearing in mind the change in the very nature of the conflict, we will make appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be posed to us,” Putin said.
War Fatigue in Central Europe is Spreading
Just as neocon nutcases are prepared to escalate the madness, War Fatigue in Central Europe is Spreading.
Like Poland, Czechia has been one of Ukraine’s staunchest supporters since the earliest days of the war. Yet after more than two years of a conflict that shows little sign of ending, the mood has soured.
One of the latest surveys found that about 65 per cent of Czechs were in favour of an early end to the war even at the expense of territorial losses to Russia.
The STEM poll also found that a majority of the population opposes negotiations on Ukraine’s accession to the EU (64 per cent) and is against continued military support to Kyiv (54 per cent).
According to the same survey, nearly half of Czechs oppose the government’s scheme to provide hundreds of thousands of artillery shells to Kyiv. When the messenger is disliked, the message itself often bears the direct cost.
Poland Tires of “Demanding Refugees”
In mid-June, the results of annual research into attitudes towards Ukrainian migrants coordinated by Robert Staniszewski from Warsaw University were published. “What really surprised us was that there was a significant drop in support on all matters related to helping Ukrainians, except for the issue of school attendance,” Staniszewski told the daily Rzeczpospolita.
According to the findings, 95 per cent of Poles believe that financial benefits for Ukrainian refugees should be reduced; 60 per cent also said they would like to see the refugees returning to their own country once the war is over.
Additionally, only 31 per cent of those interviewed were certain Poland should continue to support Ukraine, as compared to 62 per cent in January 2023. And 72 per cent of interviewees said that, regardless of the fact that the war is still ongoing, Poland should primarily watch out for its own interests.
The main reason Poles were less supportive of Ukrainians, as indicated by the study, is a perceived “demanding attitude” among the latter.
Hungary
Hungarian public support for Ukraine from the outset of the war was low and, according to Eurobarometer polls, has further deteriorated over the past two years.
The most recent survey, conducted in spring this year, found that only 56 per cent of Hungarians support the EU’s financial aid to Ukraine; less than half of society (45 per cent) agrees with the EU financing the purchase of military equipment for Ukraine; and even fewer, only 42 per cent, support Ukraine’s EU candidacy.
Germany to Stop All New Aid to Ukraine
On August 19, I commented Nord Stream Pipeline Blowback: Germany to Stop All New Aid to Ukraine
“(People) are worried about escalation of the war in Europe, unchecked immigration, rising criminality and constraints on the freedom of opinion,” said Sevim Dagdelen, a member of Sahra Wagenknecht’s breakaway BSW party.
War Will End with Negotiated Settlement
This war will end the way I suggested the moment Russia failed to take Kyiv, a negotiated settlement.
It was US meddling that led to this disaster with Senator John McCain fomenting the mess by backing Ukraine entry into NATO.
That does not excuse Putin’s reaction but it explains it. Then on the verge of a settlement UK prime minister Boris Johnson blew up the deal.
And here we are. Tens of thousands of lives lost, support for the war on the wane in the US and EU coupled with infighting in both the US and EU.
With Germany cutting off more funding and everyone tiring of the war, how can a negotiated settlement not be the end result?
Russia will take over portions of Ukraine, the same deal that was on the table long ago.
The idea that such an appeasement increases the odds of a Russia attack on Poland is absurd.
Russia could not even get a total victory against a very weak Ukraine and is militarily and demographically weakened considerably.
Let the war end. The outcome is written in stone.
How many more people have to die to reach that outcome is the key uncertainty.
Dangerously Close to Stupidity
There is zero chance Ukraine will win the war. Nor is there any chance Russia can take and hold all of Ukraine.
Despite support for war decreasing in Europe and among US voters who would rather spend money here.
However, and not unexpectedly, support for war by bureaucrats least impacted by war is on the rise.
The US, Canada, and UK appear prepared to give Ukraine long-range missiles to which Putin might respond with tactical nukes or drag the US into direct conflict.
“There’s been no change to our policy,” said National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby.
That’s not the least bit comforting.
Further escalations, and possibly a nuclear accident is on deck. It’s madness.
This is scary. Who the hell is really in charge here??!! Not Dementia Joe who is sunning himself at the beach. And not Cackling Kamala who is running around giving campaign speeches. So, who is it?
Sheesh. Can’t believe that the “lesser evil” of today is soooooooo much worse than the “greater evil” of 2012.
Canada has many citizens of Ukrainian descent. I believe that is why their rhetoric is so different from that of the U.S.
Biden is stalling, which I think any prudent President would do, in this situation.
brooklyn here is filled with tons of ukes and ruskies and georgians all living in the same hood. they don’t give a fuck. glad they are out of those shitholes. been pals with many for decades…………the newcomers and the oldies here. their gals are hawt and nude sunbathe on the beach. it’s wrong but i tried calling 911 to report with no response.
Biden is doing nothing. He’s busy applying suntan lotion. I daresay there is stalling among the Jiont Cheifs of Stafe, whose agenda is DEI, yet are fully aware that in the event the US joins the cluster-fudge in Ukraine, the desertion rate will be about 30-40%.
Canada is also known to stand up and applaud Nazis, that’s why its rhetoric is so different from that of the U.S., which only stand up to applaud genocides.
The majority of the population in the UK, and probably in all NATO countries do not support the war against Russia; nor do they believe the versions of events leading up to the war that the governments and media of NATO keep issuing.
The real danger is that the leaders of these countries decide that they speak for their entire populations, when they don’t, and try to drag everyone into a war that they don’t agree with, believe in, or support.
Nobody will sign up to fight in this war; nobody wants to pay taxes to fund this war; calling people names and suggesting that they are pro-Putin or whatever, doesn’t work. People have no interest in dying for Ukraine, and this whole agenda of marching us to war is completely deluded and deranged.
The regimes in the NATO countries have already critically damaged their credibility with the “pandemic” garbage, and previous adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the majority of the public simply don’t buy into the constant messaging.
Perhaps they are so far out of touch in their bubbles up at the top that they actually believe their own messaging. They will get a shock when they demand the public go to war, and the public says no. Then what? You can’t force people to fight for something they don’t believe in, even if you threaten them and try to coerce or force them. All that will happen is mass public protests against NATO governments.
Self-delusion with hallucinations of being relevant is a serious mental illness. You should seek out help.
Maybe you need to look in the mirror >JOJO
bye bye. you seem sort of simple. i’m assuming short bus in your past. bye. good luck in life.
I’ve had my share of luck in life. Last night I won $54 on a $1 lottery ticket!
I think brain-washing has been effective, and the memory effect is strong. More likely is the realization that if NATO becomes an active participant, WW3 might result. In which case, Britain has been there before. This time around, there will be very little left.
Who’s letting Biden make decisions?
Good story on how Putin’s Russia is deteriorating back to Stalin’s totalitarianism, with neighbors snitching on neighbors and people being prosecuted for speaking against government policy, in this case the Ukraine war, despite the Russian Constitution “supposedly” guaranteeing the right of free speech. A Constitution is of no value if the laws it codifies aren’t enforced.
We have that here in CA where the woke liberals denounce anyone who dares to not fully endorse their agenda.
Except no one risks 10-1 years in jail. D’oh.
Well you can lose your job, be blacklisted from any future employment, be deplatformed, your family destroyed, and become homeless…hard to say which is worse.
Basically one can be the subject of the infamous 1984 2 minutes of hate by the tolerant left.
what is a job. is that what the poors do ?
Perhaps you should read up on what prison in Russia is like.
the red and blue team cults are twisted. red’s are rumpy’s testes garglers and like manson family acid head chics……………and blue’s are stalinesque woke pc principals………both nit wits and dangerous to one’s mental and physical health……………..UNIPARTY IMPERIAL CRUMBLING EMPIRE
What is the BBC but the propaganda department of the British Govt?
Some are more tired than others. In Estonia & Latvia, the Russian embassies are ringed with metal barriers. Hung on the barriers are diapers splattered with red paint. Students in red-paint daubed costumes chanted “Putin is a killer!” all day long, taking shifts of half an hour or so. I saw it in real time this August.
WW III instead of valid election
they hate Trump that much
trump is a carnival con man who did the bidding of the MIC when he was in whitehouse and will again if he wins again. don’t be silly. sounds like someone has a junior HS crush on old man rumpy and his opera makeup
How about you give 5 examples of Trump doing the bidding of the MIC while in the White House, with the citation of your sources? Otherwise, you present as a moron.
As Putin observed, when he ‘supported’ Kamala: Trump is erratic.
For decades we lived in terror that nuclear war could result from even trivial military conflict between Russia and the US. The Neocons are willing to continue to climb the escalation ladder without regard for Putin’s warnings.
At some point, Russia will actually enforce their red lines. The fact that they finally invaded Ukraine after the Minsk accords not enforced [admitted by Merkel to have been a bad faith time-buying tactic to arm Ukraine] and NATO kept expanding to Russian borders despite Cold War promises by Baker et al. to Gorbachev shows that the Russians will at some point use them or lose them. This is an existential conflict for Russia, but not at all for the US or even western Europe. These clowns must be betting that Russian nukes will not work. Well guess what, even if only 15% work, that is enough to destroy the planet. These people are insane.
The US wants to dismember Russia into several smaller states that they can control ala South America or western Europe and exploit the rich Russian resources to drive economic outcomes now that resource scarcity is approaching.
It’ll be funny when the Vermont legislature brings up another vote on secession over America’s ultra-conservativism, and the U.S. State Department calls the radical leftists there a bunch of Putin puppets trying to dismember the Democracy (not Republic — NEVER use that word again!).
Not to worry, it’s a fail safe world of mutually assured destruction to be avoided at all costs; what’s good for Moscow is good for D.C, or the Big Apple and Martha’s Vineyard, etc.. Tit for tat, take your pick where the suitcase atomic goes off Mr. President. London? Surely you jest. ;
If they hit the NY City first and Marthas Vineyard 2nd, I just become a Democrat and join the War Party, which is now the Democrats.
Only if you take out Marthas Vineyard in peak summer season though. None of this in November when they boarded their homes those the old liberal bastards, you know the ones that got their panties in a twist when 6 illegals got dumped there. Texas & NY must have 600,000….and counting….
Where are those Anti War Protestor’s??? Not a peep. Now war is good for the Democrat party?
Can’t stand each and everyone of them.
Lets do this. NYC during the holiday season and Marthas Vineyard in July!
I guess this is how the Democrats can make their intersecting slogans “the future is female” and “no future for deplorables” come true is WW3. The men do the fighting and dying, leading to a feminist utopia, while the deplorables who disproportionately comprise military cannon fodder, will likewise be drastically reduced in number. The Democrats, e.g., ‘Da Nang Dick’ Blumenthal, as well as their uniparty RINO brethren, e.g., Lyndsay ‘Beauregard’ aka closeted ‘rear guard’ Graham, and their offspring are nowhere to be found in uniform. In the old US republic, the leaders had their children actively involved in fighting and dying so they actually had some skin in the game. For example, the Kennedys, Roosevelts, etc. In the new post constitutional woke neoliberal totalitarian state, the Clintons, Obamas, Bushs, etc. have no skin in the game so why not send other people’s kids to die for their neocon fever dreams…
biden willing to use long range missiles to attack russian heartland is a sure fire way to get Harris elected. amerikans love love love war.
Would love to hear the rationale behind that statement! You really think Americans are up for nuclear armageddon with that clown behind the wheel? Should that happen she won’t even make it to November when the first European city is flattened and Trump’s position will have been vindicated. People in Europe and the U.S. are tired of this conflict which never should have been allowed to start in the first place. It will be the albatross that takes Kamala down as another warmongering politician.
my rationale is the past 60 years. amerikans love electing war mongers……….
rump did what MIC wanted. he’ll do it again. don’t be foolish.
Again, more of these mindless unsupported claims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Moscow
Anyone who thinks Russia will not defend itself at all cost is delusional. This war in Ukraine started because NATO just could not leave eastern Europe alone.
Anyone who thinks that Russia does not have the Military capacity to defend itself at all cost is delusional.
Time to send the DC Warmongers packing.
Mish is off-base. The Russians could not possibly have taken Ukraine with 120,000 men. Obviously they were underscoring that things were serious. As soon as talks were ongoing, they left as a sign of good-will.
But now? Their military industry is firing on all cylinders. They are recruiting 40,000 men every month, and their army has a million trained and ready combat soldiers. Not counting reserves or conscripts. Do you think they will leave any Ukraine to form a base for future renewed NATO operations? They will grind down Ukraine military potential until something in Ukrainian society ferments enough to put forward some authority that can sign a capitulation.
A weak Ukraine? They had the most formidable army in NATO. Including the US, who would never stick around with even a tenth of Ukraine’s losses, and has no way to even insert themselves in the theater.
I agree. Obviously, the Russians know their own history with respect to Napoleon and Hitler’s invasions of the ‘bloodlands’ and the massive number of troops they utilized to do so. The idea that somehow Putin, with his KGB leadership level IQ, thought he could take Ukraine, or even Kiev, with <200k troops is asinine. He did it is a ploy to force a negotiated settlement and ensure there would be a border buffer of Belarus and Ukraine between NATO and Russia. Kamala, with her double digit IQ not at all offset by her Willie Brown BJ skills and DEI background, probably cannot even locate these countries on a map.
Restrictions? What restrictions?
Let’s be perfectly clear, we’re talking about NATO countries striking the Russian hinterland.
The answers to these questions would show that this is all political stunting by desperados.
HA HA. The Americans have left their European chihuahuas in the lurch.
They have already decided to back down rather than risk the existence of their country alone.
The war shouldn’t have been provoked in the first place.
RonJ, my only regret is that I have but one thumbs up to give to this statement
These ppl in DC are psychos. Imagine Russia giving long range missiles to an entity so they can launch them into Arizona, California, Texas, etc We would view it as an act of war and rightfully so.
The truth is Russia cant beat Nato in a conventional war which means they will have to use nuke weapons. And these psychos know it and they’re still willing to take the risk.
Polish MEP Asks Blinken To ‘Get Lost’ Over Ukraine’s War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkE2-f8lVIw
https://asiatimes.com/2024/09/biden-nato-effectively-declaring-war-on-russia/
what could go wrong? worth the risk for the bonus pool of C suites on wall street and MIC………and all those jobs to build weapons. the real big money will be made when amerika receives the payback of missile attacks………hat tip every ruthless ruler since beginning of time. “the prince” explains it all quite well. my countryman machiavelli
u changed your name plate, but u didn’t change your style. grow up!
so i can be big and strong like you? i better go workout and eat my wheaties.
18/6 along with workout. 1 spoon of C8 good for pq,eq and iq. bad for the heart.
sure, old sport. great advice.
bye bye old sport. i wish you well in life. consider yourself blocked from my view.
laugh old sport. it will keep yours and all our’s mental health in tip top shape……..
teasing the herd keeps my mental health.
the amerikan hegemony uniparty world wide warmongering for past few generations has spawned the dumbest humans on planet earth. the boomers. i can’t blame us. we were raised on F troop and gilligan’s island and nonstop propaganda. all 3rd base wimps whose hardest job as children was walking a long 10 feet across a shag carpet to change the station on their idiot boxes. it was a tough childhood and we are who we are. best thing in life is to face reality. we are idiocracy.
Only without outside meddling is the ‘outcome written in stone’.
But since that isn’t possible for clowns like Trudeau(not satisfied with only destroying his own country) now we face escalation.
So there really isn’t anything for sure about any of this.
China seems to be the crux. China is buying Russia’s oil and selling Russia everything they need to continue with a conflict.
Everyone else is harmed by the conflict. China is benefitting.
Cheaper oil, a beefed up defense industry and ev might save China from its RE collapse. When the cost of Land/apt was rising home builders started projects with dozens of high rise buildings, each with 30 floors, for a total 300/400 apt/building. 4,000/5,000 apt units are nothing in China. They think big. They were fully committed to building 10/15 million apt units. After the first few tranches buyers disappeared. Incompletted skeletones plugged by debt caused pain to buyers. Vacancies and glut cause deflation. We imposed tariffs on Chinese goods bc they are killing highly skilled jobs for 45 years.
Your own government off-shored and killed all your manufacturing for the last 45 years.
Then they printed trillions of dollars that inflated the costs year over year until now.
Now it is too expensive to rebuild the manufacturing that Russia, China etc built over the last 20 years.
You can’t do it due to the cost of goods, materials and labor. The input costs have squeezed it into a negative return on capital.
America has divided their markets in half and don’t even realize it.
That is why they are importing illegals from South America to replace Americans. Over 20 million in less than 4 years.
Amazon, Friedrich List : “The National System Of Political Economics” 1848. A systemic change to protect our infant industries from the British Empire. Carter shift jobs to China to beat inflation and to tame the radical Unions. Adopted by S. Korea. Stopped losses by Trump. Biden knocked Trump off.
Without an enemy our RE and defense industries collapse. High paying union jobs will be eliminated. The regime change king neglected to beef up our air force and ground forces. We shrank until Trump. After cutting our losses in Afghanistan we still surround Iran from every direction. We have sixty bases in the ME — some small, some large and some top secret — beefed up from Iranian strikes. Without them the five ME superpower tribal leaders, with steam in their head, might kill each other. Last month the Ayatollah said that our real enemies are the brutal Sunnis. Al Sisi tries to organize a Shia Sunni coalition to eliminate the zionist state. The ME peace talks are on hold for eleven months. We will jumpstart the process, guaranty by our forces, to keep peace and stability in the next decades.
I saw an interview on a conservative streaming station this past week, and the guest claimed that $7B worth of jets we provided to the Ukraine have been shot down. Ukraine, apparently, can’t defend against Russia’s hypersonic missile technology. And who sold that to Russia? Hillary Clinton. OUR money is paying for both sides in this. NWO, wealth redistribution.
Daily Caller had the original scoop on HRC’s treasonous behavior.
Boeing KC-46A lost $7B. They cost $250/pcs, plugged by defects, but we need gen-z tankers to replace the old boomers. Without them — and beefed up hangers, ammo depot and logistic — we cannot threaten Iran, N.Korea or Russia. Hypersonic missiles don’t blow up jets. We didn’t recycle jets to the Ukraine, but we gave them missiles to strike back.
You are delusional.
The US doesn’t have any hypersonic missile technology now, let alone under HRC.
The US is generations behind Russia (and China) on missile technology.
O. And they also have no defense against them.
MAGA has become a Putin-sponsored disinformation platform. Who would have thought that the Russians will be able to control the brains of 40 percent of the American electorate spending only a few million dollars?
Explain this. Democrats are enabling Russia.
All the libel, slander dished out by Hillary and Obama and Biden against Russia, yet Putin never complained. Why?
https://www.documentcloud.org/app?q=hypersonic%20secrets%20to%20russia
https://www.truthandaction.org/hillary-handed-russia-us-technology-for-hypersonic-nuclear-missiles/2/
Putin doesn’t have to complain. There are plenty of useful idiots doing the for him.
What about the American disinformation platform controlling 95% of the American electorate?
But ABC and the rest of the US Media Propaganda platforms are ok with you.
You mean it’s propaganda for ABC to note that: (1) It’s illegal for states to execute babies after they are born. (2) There is no evidence that migrants in Ohio eat their neighbors’ cats and dogs. (3) That violent crime in the US has been in decline.
Russia Russia Russia. Democrats are gaslighting.
THIS SEEMS LIKE A WINNING ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS. I AM NOT BEING FACETIOUS. THE DEMOCRATS AND VAST MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS DELIGHT IN AMERIKAN WORLD WIDE, WARFARE NON STOP SINCE THE DAY I WAS BORN…………….HAT TIP TO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FOR TAPPING INTO THE PEOPLE’S DESIRES AND DREAMS…………It is NOT crazy. We have been at war against Russia in FROM THE UKRAINE since 2014 with obama and mccain. What is crazy is how popular it is with the likes of so many downright morons………hat tip HL mencken
Yeah, the bozos love war. as long as they don’t have to serve. The dumber they are the more on board to neo-con war.
Very few US soldiers died in wars since Iraq. We invest in our defense industries to upgrade our technologies, became competitive along with our allies and to beefed up our economy. If our enemies smell blood in jungle we will be eaten alive.
The U.S. has only fought wars against 3rd and fourth worlders. With no air force or logistics infrastructure or advanced weapons.
Your military is a scam to steal the Americans tax dollars. Building and billing them 100x what it should cost to manufacture and design.
If Americans fought a peer level adversary they would be destroyed, forcing them to use nuclear weapons.
But that being said..No country is planning on row boating over to the U.S. to take it over. They want to be left alone and do business. FYI
Spent much time with US Military? Those who have witnessed a decline are speaking out, probably not in places where you frequent. Entire classes of ships that are dysfunctional. A major decline in recruitment. Strategic failures that have the US Marines safeguarding islands that MIGHT NOT ever be attacked…. It’s along list, and the problem is all through the system. The US has a technical advantage at present. Once the hi-tech weapons run out, then there’s a problem.
Keep in mind that one hypersonic missile could take out an aircraft carrier, yes, ‘eaten alive’ is a strong possibility. A Russia-China alliance against the US would be a disaster for the world
– The New York Times reports Biden to approve Ukraine’s use of long-range missiles in Russia. The White House would neither confirm nor deny the escalation.
> Do I trust the Harris/Biden debacle of (Non)-leadership, over the NYT? not even a little, tiny, minuscule bit. Harris is Guilty as Charged!!!
– The New York Times (Accurately reports IMO), Biden Poised to Approve Ukraine’s Use of Long-Range Western Weapons in Russia
> Harris looks to officially draw-in and involve NATO (LRM do that). Dope!
– Britain has already signaled to the Harris (United States) that it is eager to let Ukraine use its “Storm Shadow” long-range missiles to strike at Russian military targets far from the Ukrainian border.
> Well of course They did…
– But it wants explicit permission from Mrs. Harris (Biden too, if he wakes up).
> Well of course They (Harris in this case to Blame!) do…
– On Thursday, White House (Harris) officials insisted there was no imminent decision on the use of the American-made surface-to-surface (Army Tactical Missile Systems).
> Well of course She did.
– Quietly, Republican leaders in the Senate, especially Mitch McConnell, the minority leader, have been urging an aggressive response!
> Well of course He did.
– A sharp split with former President Donald J. Trump.
> You mean to say: The Exact Opposite Approach President Trump (Wants Peace) Would Take!!!
So assume US is engaged in a limited “special military operation” in Cuba. Russia provides missiles capable of striking US, maintains system, uses satellite intel to target US cities, and a Cuban is used to push enter on Russian supplied computer to launch. Would US consider an act of war? Without question.
Assume Russia will hit transportation targets close to borders of NATO countries and attack any ships in Ukrainian ports.
A game of nuclear chicken. Guarantee neocon children/grandchildren will not be in front lines!
Exactly- Neocons are and have been the biggest threat to our prosperity for a very long time
neo libs and neo cons are a uniparty of downright morons. about 98% of amerkans by the past 50 years of voting patterns. be a weirdo and peacenik and vote libertarian or green.
Hello China Trolls!!! hahaha your country is F789ED!!!
China new home prices fall at fastest pace in over 9 years in Aug
China’s new home prices fell at the fastest pace in more than nine years in August, official data showed on Saturday, as supportive measures failed to spur a meaningful recovery in the property sector.
New home prices were down 5.3% from a year earlier, the fastest pace since May 2015, compared with a 4.9% slide in July, according to Reuters calculations based on National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) data.
China new home prices fall at fastest pace in over 9 years in Aug | Reuters
Till next time… China Trolls….
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U.S. new home prices fall at fastest pace in over (place number here) years in (place Month here).
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New home prices were down (place % here) from a year earlier, the fastest pace since (place month and year here), compared with a (place % here) slide in (place month here), according to Reuters calculations based on National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) data.
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You forgot to mention that the US is adding a trillion of new debt every 100 days and that servicing the debt is now cost in excess of a trillion dollars.
The financial system, global economy and supply chains are going to collapse.
Just a matter of when.
Anyone who cannot see that is mentally ill
– You forgot to mention that the US is adding a trillion of new debt every 100 days and that servicing the debt is now cost in excess of a trillion dollars.
> You just did, if that’s accurate?
– The financial system, global economy and supply chains are going to collapse.
> A True Statement, much like “We are all going to die someday” or “You will grow old, if you live long enough” also very True Statements.
Your Point?
My point is that we are on the verge of the total collapse…
It’s been that way for quite awhile now…
Other than it sets up a scenario that leads to global conflict?
Then, again, commonsense might prevail. The leaders shake hands and go home.
Unemployment exceeds job openings. Red Flag. As reported in a previous MishTalk article.
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The financial system, global economy and supply chains are going to collapse.
Just a matter of when.
Anyone who cannot see that is mentally ill
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And anyone who cannot see that exactly such a collapse will be a 100.000000000% positive event, is nothing more than a complete, 100.000000000% illiterate rank retard.
And? Why? exactly..Are you so worried about what is going on in China?
I dunno… could be the trillion dollars of new debt every 100 days in the US…
Could be that inflation is not under control in the most countries… and they are in or headed for recession so lowering rates by any significant amount will throw jet fuel on the inflation fire
Then there is china
https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/the-chinese-economy-is-crumbling
And https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/overcapacity-and-price-wars
But what worries me most is:
Conventional Oil Sources peaked in 2008 and the Shale binge has now spoiled US reserves, top investor warns Financial Times.
Preface. Conventional crude oil production may have already peaked in 2008 at 69.5million barrels per day (mb/d) according to Europe’s International Energy Agency (IEA 2018 p45). The U.S. Energy Information Agency shows global peak crude oil production at a later date in 2018 at 82.9mb/d (EIA 2020) because they included tight oil, oil sands, and deep-sea oil. Though it will take several years of lower oil production to be sure the peak occurred. Regardless, world production has been on a plateau since 2005.
What’s saved the world from oil decline was unconventional tight “fracked” oil, which accounted for 63% of total U.S. crude oil production in 2019 and 83% of global oil growth from 2009 to 2019. So it’s a big deal if we’ve reached the peak of fracked oil, because that is also the peak of both conventional and unconventional oil and the decline of all oil in the future.
The Precarious State of the Shale Oil Industry:
Try to get your head around the idea that by 2027, US tight oil production might be 12 MM BOPD, not the 9 MM it is now, which is what cheerleaders say it will be, and that means we’ll actually have to find and extract 12 MM BOPD… before we can ever grow the new 3 MM. Man, that is a slew of new wells!
Thats gonna take like…four times the HZ wells we’ve already drilled in the US.
Where? Read More
This isn’t an “escalation”! This is war and Ukraine should have had free reign to enter or shoot into Russian territory from the getgo.
Biden and Austin’s pussyfooting and fear of Putin’s multiple red lines is the reason that Ukraine is in the position it is in today and could well wind up losing some of its territory to settle this conflict. Had they been given the weapons they needed earlier and the freedom to use them as they saw fit, I believe that they would have wrapped this war up in their favor by now.
If this loss does occur to Ukraine, then it will be yet another blackmark on Biden’s record along with Afghanistan, his weak support of Israel and numerous others weak decisions. Biden’s legacy is going to be a record of poor decisions.
Biden’s legacy is graft. From the hallowed doctorate of Jill (granted by the heavily Biden-connected UD) to the inexplicable millions of Hunter.
The “redlines” are made up by the Western press, not by Putin.
Do you want to die?
The chances of run-away nuclear exchange are very high if the US fires missiles in the Russian heartland. They have already said that the US will not sit this one out unaffected behind their ocean moat.
I say Putin is bluffing. What does he gain if Russia is turned radioactive for centuries?
Playing chicken is dangerous.
The greatest risk for nuclear war is inadvertent, mistaken nuclear escalation. This has happened a dozen times in the past before the current crop of insane leader who do not talk (or think).
Changes to American doctrine (pre-emptive strikes, tactical nukes, escalate-to-deescalate, low-threshold bombs) and decreasing reaction times only increase the chances of run-away escalation. And what does NATO have except for nukes? Germany needs till 2028 just to insert a 4000 man brigade in Lithuania.
Russia has to assume that every F-16 and some of these missiles are nuclear armed. NATO regularly flies mock nuclear attacks in the Baltic and South China Sea. During “peace president” Trump’s tenure, Defense officials claimed that the goal of the American nuclear stance is that Xi and Putin wake up every day wondering if today is the day.
Can you get any more insane?
“This is war and Ukraine should have had free reign to enter or shoot into Russian territory from the getgo”
Have you seen the user interface for those missiles? I assume not. It’s not a video game style virtual reality crosshair on some point inside Russia. Instead, every launch and trajectory is hand written, in terms of units and concepts which rely on working within a wider battlefield view designed for US/NATO use.
The Russians are not talking BS when they claim that “Ukraine” using such missiles to target Russia, will require direct, per individual targeting and launch, input from NATO personnel. It will be NATO personnel firing these at Russia. Not “Ukraine.”
“Biden and Austin’s pussyfooting and fear of Putin’s multiple red lines is the reason that Ukraine is in the position it is in today and could well wind up losing some of its territory to settle this conflict.”
The reason Ukraine is in this position, is that its borders were drawn too expansive to accommodate a hard split with Moscow to begin with. The Eastern parts included too many “Russians.” There would be no “Separatist movements” in Donbas regions, if they wasn’t a near even split between pro Moscow, pro Kyiv and don’t cares in the first place. Without a sizable native separatist movement, Moscow couldn’t even begin to entertain the idea of holding the regions. The Kyiv regime is no more a priori legitimate there than a Moscow one.
It’s also not entirely unlikely that Moscow always considered the entirety of Ukraine too close to be allowed NATO membership, stationing of NATO material etc. And if they didn’t before, they very,very may well by now. Doesn’t mean they’ll ever be in a position to occupy the Western parts of Ukraine. Just that they’ll insist on some veto over Ukrainian military buildup and allegiances. Which, while not nice, is no different from how The US would react to unlimited Russian/Chinese buildup in Mexico. As well as how China would react to US buildup on Taiwan, or even in Vietnam.
As for Biden’s legacy: His Black Marks are continuing to blindly rob productive Americans,in order to keep propping up idiotic “efforts” and regimes halfway around the world, where no legitimate “America” has any business being involved in the first place. Leaving Afghanistan was the best thing the dunce ever did. Leaving Ukraine and Israel, and Taiwan,and The Philippines, and Japan, and everywhere else would be ditto. It is NOT leaving, which are black marks. For any “leader.” Of any possible free, legitimate and civilized country.
The only way to defeat Russian suicide attacks is to exterminate the male population of Russia. Extended war is the means to that end. The Kursk Special Military Operation is helpful in stimulating meat attacks with untrained eighteen year old Russian conscripts. Pokrovsk is bait for more attacks in Donbas. Isn’t it great when a plan comes together?
Go fuck yourself, Langley.
Brainwashed boomer. Did you spontaneously and brilliantly come up with this idea between stuffing your mouth with Cheetos and staring at your football game on T.V.?
There are no conscripts. Only in the Kursk invasion were conscripts involved, because they were stationed there, not as part of operations.
As for the meat storms, that is what the Nazi’s claimed as an excuse for their defeat in WW2. Casualties are running at least 10:1 if we go by claims of any organization that actually does empirical investigation (obituaries, satellite graveyard surveillance, inactive SIM cards, and other methodologies.
Yes, 10 dead Russians for every dead Uke. Meathead meat assaults are a Russian specialty.
Russia – please nuke DC, I beg you.
Upset with your post at first then considered how precise a strike?
A BUS-SIZE Meteor hitting the “Belly-o-the Beast” would be better. That way, DC NeoCons can’t (hopefully) blame Big Scary Russia and start a nuclear war..
WWIII will not start before the BRICS summit in Kazan and the Nov election. The lame duck MAX stirred troubles in the Kursk to cause a regime change. Zelensky and his wife might end up like Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu or Muammar Gadaffi, strong dictators for life that suddenly collapsed. Where can Zelensky go. The Europeans don’t want him, neither does Hunter Biden or Trump. So he is stuck in Ukraine until the sudden end.
I think the bigger picture is to tie up Russia so it can’t support China’s invasion of Taiwan. Maybe even get China mired down in supplying Russia so it has less to invade Taiwan with.
China doesn’t need Russia’s help with Taiwan.
They have 1.4 billion people. and 700 million men. 42 million 18-24.
All they have to do is blockade it, and hit targets with stand off weapons from ships and China’s mainland.
If anyone tries to intervene they will be hit with the same weapons
If they continue they will be hit with nuclear strikes, which will trigger all available nuclear weapons in the world, from all countries in a “use it, or lose it” scenario.
When the U.S. launches they will be hitting everyone, even their allies, in an “attempt” to “survive” the aftermath and be the strongest remainders.
Russia has destroyed the original Ukrainian armed forces it inherited from the USSR, the second armed forces made up of Soviet materiel provided by the former SSRs and is destroying the second one equipped by the West. From the beginning Russia stated that its goal was not territorial but demilitarizing and denazifying the Ukraine. The former is proved above and the latter, by the red and black flags flying above fresh tombs in brand new cemeteries.
Yes and the lying western press claimed that only 33k Ukrainians were killed. Newsweek parroting Zelensky. One must have a double digit IQ to buy that. Try 500k+ dead + missing and wounded of 2-3x.
Russia’s preemption plan for the U.S and Europe:
Poseidon: Russian Underwater Drone That Can first strike instantly with no warning
followed up by submarine hyper-sonic launches miles off U.S. coast
Then hyper-sonic multiple navigational re-entry warheads on top of ballistic missiles
Then Zircon cruise missiles Mach 8,(6,138 mph). Zircon impossible to defend against
Mopped up with long range bombers
What good is a world with-out Russia in it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzEc5d8n95k
The USUAL BULLSHIT with this American Government.
This is total madness! What in the hell is this all about? Has anyone thought this through? Get the NEOCONS out. I’m angry as hell about this. I have issues with Trump but within the two big parties, he is the only one who seems to be sane. Harris talks about banning of straws when her administration is ready to lead us into war.
Most Americans know nothing about Neocons and could not identify Victoria Nuland if their lives depended on it.Much of the Democratic base just cares about free government handouts.
Don’t forget abortion. You gotta be able to do what you want with your body – except, that is, when gov’t mandates you have to be injected with toxic chemicals for the greater good.
Republicans in red states take more freebies than blue states. Look it up.
Agreed…if we’re talking federal funding as a percentage of state budget.
However, California and New York occupy the 1 and 3 spot in $’s of federal funding…$727B and $390B respectively.
California and New York also have the highest number of Medicaid and CHIP enrollees at 13.9 million and 7.2 million respectively.
Blue states collectively get $3.88T while Red states get $2.22T.
Most Federally Dependent States in 2024 – A Complete Rundown (balancingeverything.com)
Agreed. Both CA and NY give away far too many $$ to illegals, the poor and the homeless.
I’ve never understood why we want to encourage such people by giving them food and shelter, which then only further encourages many of them to have more kids that they can’t afford to take care of.
Same applies to all the so-called “humanitarian aid we give to poor countries across the world.
There is no meaningful looking that up. Just mindless regurgitation of economically illiterate drivel.
By now, 95% of all wealth transfers are done by monetary means. Debasement. There is no way of directly looking debasement effects up, with any degree of precision. If there was, Keynes’ “not one man in a million…” quip would not be as blindingly accurate as it unfortunately has proven to be. And yet: Those debasement transfers/”freebies”, completely dwarf all other forms of wealth transfers/”freebies” combined.
At a mile high view: You may be able to get a reasonable estimate, by measuring how much “asset” “appreciation” has accrued to people in red vs blue states. Since, also by now, 90+% of all that “appreciation” are also due solely to debasement transfers. I can’t even begin to imagine those have been higher in red states, as compared to New York, CA and the like.
the red v blue team crap is so stooooopid
if you are still caught up in the red v blue team hooey, i have a little bridge built in late 1800s just down the flatbush avenue from me here in gotham city.
We don’t know that yet.
josh bolton and dick cheney and donald trump and genocide joe have all given it their deepest thoughts i’m sure. i can sleep at night knowing that. and a random collection of self important “experts” on a financial salesmen’s website will figure it out, i’m positive.
“Dodge! Duck! Hide! – woo woo woo!!!”
7 minutes to London
27 minutes to NYC and DC
About the same to Ottawa, it might be closer if they go over the Arctic. Trudeau only thinks he’s safe.
Submarine launched will be there in well under a minute.
these are nit wits on this site when it comes to nuke and missile warfare……..
dodge duck dip dive and dodge
Mish, you say the war will end in a negotiated settlement. What happens if missiles start flying to Moscow and Putin retaliates with a couple of missiles towards London? These idiots are fast walking us into WWIII.
The Russian missiles would be shot down long before they got near London, possibly over Russian territory. You aren’t naïve enough to think that countries don’t have hundreds of missiles (both offensive and defensive) pointing at Russia? Sheese.
It’s Mach 11 now. Did you just have lunch with Reagan?
Speed doesn’t matter. You just need faster computers to process and interpret. THIS is the problem with the USA military and MIC.
We take far too long to develop and release weapons, which means by the time they are released for use, they are often a decade or more behind technology wise.
This is the problem with the F-35’s. They are on the 3rd or 4th computer upgrade and they are still 20 years behind current technology.
Same problem with NASA with is always far behind current technology by the time they finally build and use anything.
They’d almost certainly get some through. I’d imagine they’d be launched from submarines that were only a few miles offshore. They’d hit the targets in under a minute so I doubt there would be time to stop them.
Anything launched all the way from Russia would be nuclear and those would be ICBMs coming in from space where they can’t be shot down and would likely detonate high up in the air anyway to spread the destruction.
Uh huh. So Russia gets obliterated and becomes radioactive for centuries. Explain what Putin gained?
revenge.
That scenario necessarily implies that the so called West also gets obliterated and becomes radioactive for centuries.
Well, of course they obfuscated the truth. Answering with authenticity would require integrity.
I’m sure Joe has it under control.
Russia Reclaims Its Position as Europe’s Top Gas Supplier Jun 17, 2024, 3:00 PM CDT https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Reclaims-Its-Position-as-Europes-Top-Gas-Supplier.html
Hmmm… seems a bit odd to be supplying your mortal enemy (Europe funds Ukraine) … with a huge proportion of it’s energy needs….. hmmm…. might consider cutting the flow a little … and informing them that once they stop supporting the Coke Head… the gas will resume normal flow levels