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Will the Debt Ceiling Cause a Fiscal Crisis or Chaos? Two Competing Views

The Crisis View 

The black swan isn’t going to be [commercial real estate] CRE. People are looking at the wrong thing. It’s going to be the debt ceiling. There is no way there won’t be chaos. It will go to the last minute.”

For starters, CRE will not be a black swan for the same reason the 2008 Great Recession was not a black swan: Too many people saw it coming, including me. 

Importantly, people seeing the Great Recession in advance didn’t stop it. And far more people were talking about the housing bubble than they are talking about CRE now.

With that, let’s return to the chaos view. 

Summer Worries

Worries or brinkmanship are not the same as chaos.

Debt Ceiling Is Bunch of Nothing

For now, the market thinks the debt ceiling is a bunch of nothing. I agree with the market. It can become something later on, but it is not now.

That is the proper view. 

Not Now or Never?

That is the proper question. Even if things go down to the wire, there is no guarantee of chaos. 

Three Possible Resolutions

  1. Republicans Cave
  2. Democrats Cave
  3. Both Sides Give Something

Even if resolution heads into overtime there is no implied chaos. We have been into overtime before without chaos. 

I am not even sure what chaos means since it hasn’t happened before. Is it stock market related, bond market related, a global selloff? 

If it’s about stocks, they are due for a sustained hit anyway. 

Will Republicans Cave?

That was once my base case for two reasons: They always have, and they have a a slim barely workable coalition in the House.

But now I have changed my mind.

Debt-Ceiling Standoff Prompts Backup Plans, but They Face Hurdles Too

The Wall Street Journal comments Debt-Ceiling Standoff Prompts Backup Plans, but They Face Hurdles Too

There is no clear escape hatch to avoid default if Congress doesn’t pass legislation raising the debt ceiling. 

President Biden and Democrats want to raise the debt ceiling without any conditions. But Republicans are insisting on pairing a debt ceiling increase with spending cuts. The standoff has raised interest in possible alternatives that could help the U.S. avoid a default.

If the US defaults, I agree there will be chaos. I just highly doubt that. Here are some avoidance ideas.

Unilateral Executive Action

Some academics have pondered whether the White House could simply ignore the debt limit. They say that the debt limit is inconsistent with another congressional command to the executive branch: to use money as Congress directs it to in spending legislation. 

14th Amendment 

Some legal experts also believe that the president could invoke the 14th amendment, which says that the validity of U.S. public debt “shall not be questioned,” to keep paying the country’s bills. Former President Bill Clinton and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi are among those who have said the White House could rely on the 14th amendment in a debt ceiling crisis. 

Prioritization

The Treasury Department started employing so-called extraordinary measures last month to preserve cash, with its latest estimate being such efforts can extend payments through at least early June. 

Trillion-Dollar Coin

Under a proposal that was initially dismissed as a joke but later migrated to the halls of Congress, the Treasury could use an obscure commemorative-coin law to mint a coin—say one worth $1 trillion — and deposit it at the Federal Reserve. The Treasury could then draw the money from the Fed to pay the nation’s bills.

Prioritization But No Chaos?

Republicans went to the brink with prioritization twice before. Neither time resulted in chaos. National parks and some nonessential services were closed. 

Both times resulted in Republican capitulation and humiliation. 

I strongly doubt the trillion-dollar coin idea gains traction and the Fed may very well issue a statement saying it will not go along with that idea. 

What About Democrats Caving?

I had ruled that out, but it is now in play because McCarthy’s Demands are entirely reasonable.

Mr. McCarthy laid out House Republicans’ demands for agreeing to a debt-limit increase: They want Congress to place limits on federal spending, claw back Covid-19 aid and require Americans to work to receive federal benefits. Those measures will be paired with a debt-limit increase that will last into next year, Mr. McCarthy said.

“Let me be clear: A no-strings-attached debt-limit increase will not pass,” Mr. McCarthy said. “This will restore discipline to Washington.”

“The longer President Biden waits to be sensible to find an agreement, the more likely it becomes that this administration will bumble into the first default in our nation’s history,” Mr. McCarthy said.

Mr. McCarthy said House Republicans would try to revert federal spending on programs such as the military to last year’s levels. Going forward, growth on spending on so-called discretionary programs, which excludes Social Security and Medicare, would be limited to 1% a year, Mr. McCarthy said. 

The Wall Street Journal is whining that Mr. McCarthy didn’t distinguish between defense and social-welfare priorities.

Look, you either want to reduce the deficit or you don’t. The Journal wants all of it to come out of social programs.

I find it more likely that none of it does.

The Way Forward

The way forward is for the House to pass something, anything actually, but preferably exactly what McCarthy stated.

Having passed something, it will then be on the Democrats watch in the Senate to let a default happen. 

Importantly, this is the opposite setup from when Republicans caved in twice before

What to Expect 

For starters, expect a lot more fearmongering and calls of chaos between now and June.

Then, in order, I expect 

  1. A compromise with Republicans getting most of what they want
  2. Capitulation or near-capitulation by Democrats
  3. Capitulation or near-capitulation by Republicans
  4. A default with chaos resolved within two days
  5. Longer chaos.  

Votes of Senator Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are likely to be instrumental in Republicans winning outright or getting most of what they seek. 

Odds of default are somewhere between 0 percent and 2 percent. Yep, that would likely mean chaos. 

But whatever the resolution, don’t expect much in the way of deficit reduction. Ultimately, the DC compromise is more social spending in return for more military spending.

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Bbbbbbb
Bbbbbbb
3 years ago
The US ruling class wants to cut their taxes, spend massive amounts on wars, but wants most of all to cut the retirement, health care, and other measures of a social wage for the working class. There’s nothing “reasonable” about that as a proposal to make sure the bond holders and coupon clippers can remain fat. And happy.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
during Bush jr . DEBT DOUBLED.
during Obama DEBT DOUBLED.
at some point for last 30 years Dems or Reps controlled presidency and whole congress, both chambers. NOTHING WAS DONE!
jiminy
jiminy
3 years ago
Reply to  alexwest
Reagan was the king of debt, 186% increase in the national debt. Watch what they do not what they say.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
in terms of deficit/gdp ratio MOST PROLIFIC SPENDER was mr Reigan ‘old gipper’ . during his presidency deficit /gdp ratio was about 5% (there was no war or pandemic, nothing)
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
=Both Sides Give Something
it is as usual policitical theatre!
during Bush jr . DEBT DOUBLED.
during Obama DEBT DOUBLED.
at some point for last 30 years Dems or Reps controlled presidency and whole congress, both chambers. NOTHING WAS DONE!
and cherry on top.!
in term of deficit/gdp ratio MOST PROLIFIC SPENDER was mr Reigan ‘old gipper’ . during his presidency deficit /gdp ratio was about 5% (there was no war or pandemic, nothing)
pure theatrics!!!
alx
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
3 years ago
This is democracy at its worst. The fact that this vote is needed is insane. My vote – rely on 14th amendment and get on to governing. The Republicans can shut down the government for weeks to get the cuts they want as part of the Budget debate – go for it. If this is what we are down to – so be it. But they approved the tax cuts, the additional spending. I am sure no one is returning their earmarks. Lets force Congress to do its job – approve a BUDGET. And in the meantime they can put on a great show. This is not who is worst D or R. Both are at fault.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  Greenmountain
in term of deficit/gdp ratio MOST PROLIFIC SPENDER was mr Reigan ‘old gipper’ . during his presidency deficit /gdp ratio was about 5% (there was no war or pandemic, nothing)
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The 14 amendment : upheld the national debt including debt incurred to suppress insurrection…What will happen to the stock market if in the next 2Y our gov debt will rise to $35T to pay SS, defense and reparation.
Business Man
Business Man
3 years ago
I was told that the Inflation Reduction Act was going to reduce the deficit. Why does the debt limit need to be increased?
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
yeah. I read too in 1984 by Orwell
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
When have Democrats been stumped by black letter law?
They will find some technical legalese inventiveness to get around a default using executive action.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Gingrich was a useful idiot. The dbl McC will not repeat his mistake. They will not cave in if they can.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“Let me be clear: A no-strings-attached debt-limit increase will not
pass,” Mr. McCarthy said. “This will restore discipline to Washington.”
Washington has some $30 trillion debt worth of fiscal discipline. The previous tough talk hasn’t amounted to much of anything, as they always find some reason to blow off the claimed discipline. Last time they used Covid as an excuse.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
In the first place the debate over government debt is a complete ruse and side show. The real problem is private individual and commercial debt. The problem is advanced anomalous Finance Capitalism and its monopolistic paradigm of Debt Only as the sole form and vehicle for the creation and distribution of new money. If you’re interested in rejuvenating profit making economic systems then recognize the need for a new monetary and financial paradigm. Okay, back to sleep boys.
Mjs357
Mjs357
3 years ago
The old bat Nancy P and the Leftists in control of all levers of power could have easily resolved this issue while still in power last year up until the new House was sworn in. This is a game to them (all) chaos theory, more control to be seized somewhere. “They” don’t care about the market, the People, our allies and partners moving away from the USD$. If people are not prepared for this game by now, sorry you didn’t pay attention. It’s all Fugazy. There are no Democrats or Republicans, it’s us vs. them. I do appreciate the thoughtful analysis though Mish.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
“For now, the market thinks the debt ceiling is a bunch of nothing. I agree with the market.”
Everyone ignoring possible deposit run as low yield savings account $$s flock to high yield t-bills when Yellen gets the greenlight to restock Treasury’s cash position.
April 17th, 2023 Treasury cash position … $144 billion
April 18th, 2022 Treasury cash position … $841 billion
Yellen could EASILY issue $trillion+ in t-bills in near term to replenish … especially, if McCarthy gets his way and puts off ceiling till May 2024 … as Yellen will not only have to reload to pay current bills, but issue enough to have a buffer under the cushion when next May rolls around.
skicolorado
skicolorado
3 years ago
The whole thing is annoying.
1) Congress shouldn’t be able to say “go spend the money on X” and then simply refuse to fund X when the money gets spent. It’s stupid.
2) It’s an entirely manufactured crisis. They cut taxes and then complain there’s not enough money to pay the spending that they agreed to.
3) Markets are already pricing in chaos. US sovereign credit default swaps are up about around 50% in spread.
Can we please elect some adults.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
I have an alternative idea. Appoint a bankruptcy trustee with near dictatorial powers similar to the Roman consul (I nominate Ron Paul). Charge the trustee with the mandate of paying the debt service, entitlements, a minimal defense budget, say 250 billion. He would have to consult with SCOTUS regarding what other expenditures would be legal under the original language of the constitution. When the debt is fully retired, he could return power back to congress and the president.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Like most things out of Washington, it is a bunch of nothing hyped up to stir the slaves up a bit. Make them feel just a little bit more powerless. It’s what they want, so it’s good. We will continue to let the debt pile up until the whole house of cards come tumbling down. At this point, we’ll get our digital currency, and our social credit system. A win/win. Unless you count the needs and desires of the people; but who cares about them anyway? What are you? A communist? Caring about people like that.
Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
3 years ago
The only thing that happens with debt ceiling fights is national parks get shut down for a few days
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Dr Funkenstein
That’s all that’s happened so far. But it impacted my travel plans once.

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