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Xi Calls Trump’s Bluff and Wins as Trump Negotiates with Himself

TACO Trump is back in play again because China won’t be bullied.

Export Controls to Take Center Stage

The Wall Street Journal reports Export Controls to Take Center Stage at U.S.-China Trade Talks

Export controls—a major concern for industries worldwide—are moving to the top of the agenda of trade talks between the U.S. and China on Monday.

The trade war between Washington and Beijing has in recent weeks veered away from tariffs, focusing instead on each country’s restrictions on material or products the other side desperately needs.

When President Trump’s negotiators sit down with their Chinese counterparts in London, the U.S. side is set to press Xi Jinping’s representatives to speed up exports of rare-earth minerals and magnets containing them as they agreed to in Geneva last month. The Chinese team, on the other hand, will push Washington to remove recent restrictions on the sale of jet engines and a variety of technology and other products to China.

Since the talks in Geneva in May, trust between the two sides has eroded as each accuses the other of undermining the agreement reached there to pause sky-high tariffs.

Trump nonetheless sought to strike an optimistic tone before Monday’s negotiations, saying on Friday that talks with Beijing were “very far advanced.” He had described a phone call with Xi on Thursday as “very good” and said “there should no longer be any questions respecting the complexity of rare-earth products.”

At the center of the recent flare-up in tensions is what the Trump administration has said is China’s violation of the Geneva agreement. During the talks there, He removed a final sticking point by agreeing to U.S. demands that China resume rare-earth exports. Yet since then, Beijing has dug in its heels, slow-walking approvals of licenses to export the minerals critical in manufacturing modern cars, chips, F-35 jet fighters and other products.

China has blamed the U.S. for the breakdown, seeing a warning against the use of some artificial-intelligence chips from China’s Huawei Technologies as a renewal of U.S. aggression, and complained to Washington that it undermined the trade deal.

Some analysts point out that it would be hard for the administration to walk back measures specifically aimed at protecting national security—the traditional purpose of export controls. These analysts said export controls historically haven’t been used as leverage for trade negotiations.

Back from the Brink

With talks scheduled between Trump and Xi, the latter has the upper hand. However, Trump’s actions will ensure that all sides lose.

Asia Times comments Xi calls Trump’s bluff and wins, time and time again

China’s Xi Jinping and US President Donald Trump spoke over the phone Thursday (June 5), the first known formal contact of the Trump 2.0 era. Though signs of détente were few, the fact that the leaders of the world’s two biggest economies are speaking at all marks progress.

The Chinese side seems far less impressed by the Thursday call, which officials suggested was perfunctory and vague. As Cornell University economist Eswar Prasad puts it, the “asymmetry” in Beijing’s and Washington’s reporting of the call suggests that Xi held to a tough line and Trump “didn’t get much acquiescence” to his demands.

So far, Xi has taken a go-slow approach to trade deal negotiations. Efforts by US Treasury Scott Bessent and Trade Representative Jamieson Greer to convince markets that a pact was in the works, imminent even, haven’t been reciprocated from the Chinese side.

By the time Trump backed down, cutting the tax to 30% on May 12, it was too late. This likely explains why Team Xi came forward with zero concessions in the days that followed what Trump World called a “truce” between the two biggest economies. On May 30, Trump declared that Beijing had “totally violated its agreement with us.

But then on June 4, Trump made it clear Xi’s inscrutability is keeping him up at night. In a thirsty 2:17 a.m. social media rant, Trump declared: “I like President XI of China, always have, and always will, but he is VERY TOUGH, AND EXTREMELY HARD TO MAKE A DEAL WITH!!!.

Gita Gopinath, the International Monetary Fund’s (IMF) first deputy managing director, warns that the shock from Trump’s trade war is worse than Covid-19.

“This time the challenge is going to be greater for them compared to the pandemic,” Gopinath tells the Financial Times. “During Covid, central banks were moving in the same direction… easing monetary policy very quickly.”

“I’m operating under the assumption that some major elements of Trump’s tariff policies will remain intact in one form or another,” says Stephen Roach, economist at Yale University.

“Hopefully, they won’t be as severe as threatened earlier, but they will nonetheless impose meaningful taxes on most US imports, with an especially steep penalty on those coming from China.”

Roach adds that “I still suspect that tariffs surviving the current legal skirmishes are likely to be onerous enough to have negative impacts on global trade, with especially adverse implications for the US and China.”

The bottom line, Roach notes, is that a “protracted period of policy uncertainty essentially freezes business decision-making on capital spending and hiring, with negative repercussions for income generation and consumer demand; consumer purchasing power should be further constrained by tariff-related price shocks. Uncertainty remains the enemy of decision making.”

For one thing, headlines about Trump’s having caved on tariffs as Wall Street stocks plunged are grating on the president and his inner circle. So is the #TACO narrative — the idea that Trump Always Chickens Out on import taxes.

Since the 1980s, Trump observers have known that nothing angers him more than being perceived as the “loser” in any negotiation. This partly explains why he signed — and loudly touted — a trade agreement with the UK, an economy with which Washington has a trade surplus. It betrayed a desperation to highlight a trade deal of any kind, no matter how minor.

First, it was swooning stocks that had Trump delaying his “reciprocal” tariffs. Then, the chaotic surge in US Treasury yields forced Trump to step back from the brink once again.

From Beijing’s perspective, Trump backed off because he’d overreacted in the first place. As JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon puts it, the tariffs were “too large, too big and too aggressive” for the US economy’s own good.

Trouble is, Trump has a 40-plus-year track record of arguing that tariffs are the answer to virtually every economic problem imaginable. Yet as economists know, sizable tariffs can also be stagflationary.

At the same time, US officials are learning that Trump’s chaotic Phase One process prompted China to pivot to other markets. Today, China’s top trading partner is the 10 Association of Southeast Asian Nations, followed by the European Union.

All of which means Trump’s hopes of pulling off a massive, world-changing trade deal are slipping away, even after his declaration after Thursday’s call that such a deal is on the horizon. And if he’s wondering who’s to blame, all Trump needs to do is look in the mirror.

Deals, Where Are They?

Japan is proving to be in no hurry to negotiate a bilateral pact, just six years after the last one with Trump 1.0. Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba has made it clear Tokyo will negotiate at its own pace — not in haste.

In Seoul, South Korea’s new president, Lee Jae-myung, says he has no intention of rushing to the negotiating table. He’s far more liberal than his predecessor Yoon Suk Yeol.

Stephen Roach vs Gita Gopinath

Gopinath, the IMF’s first deputy managing director, warns that the shock from Trump’s trade war is worse than Covid-19.

Gopinath’s view is over the top. I suppose if China canceled all rare earths with the world for six months, we could have a covid-like reaction, but that’s like expecting nuclear war.

Roach’s more pragmatic view is similar to mine.

“I still suspect that tariffs surviving the current legal skirmishes are likely to be onerous enough to have negative impacts on global trade, with especially adverse implications for the US and China,” said Roach.

Who Can Break Deals?

If Trump can break deals and have export controls, why can’t China?

Immediately after Trump chickened out and walked back tariffs on China to 30 percent, he turned around and poked China with student visa bans and more export controls.

China put a quick end to that Trumpian tactic by withholding magnets. The result is best described as an emergency action in which Trump phoned Xi setting up the meeting described above.

Irony of the Year

I discussed the Irony of the Year on June 4 in Automakers Consider Moving Some Parts Production to China

China has a magnet stranglehold that causing some seemingly strange discussions.

Understanding Rare Earths

China produces 60 percent of the world’s rare earths but processes nearly 90 percent, which means that it is importing rare earths from other countries and processing them. This has given China a near monopoly.

Two-TACO Trump Day

TACO Trump is a term coined by a Financial Times columnist. It stands for “Trump Always Chickens Out.”

On June 5, I noted a Two-TACO Trump Day on His Call to Xi Over Rare Earth Elements

Trump is hyping up his call with China’s Xi. But chalk up 2 more TACOs.

Take the idea that Trump’s 5D chess plan will be another David vs Goliath story with Trump playing the role of David, and put it where it belongs, on the Sunday funny pages.

Humorously, Trump negotiates with himself and always concedes. So, expect more TACOs, but with everyone losing.

No one wins trade wars.

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randocalrissian
randocalrissian
10 months ago

Everyone who isn’t a blind Trump loyalist knew this is what would happen next

alx west
alx west
10 months ago

tick tock tick tock!

in 1+ year it will be congress new elections!!

trump is done!! china knows that

peter mackey
peter mackey
10 months ago

I have never understood why China hasn’t halted rare earth and titanium years ago, given the China bashing by US presidents Biden and Trump. If I were Xi the US would have blanket ban. Each F35 uses 990 kg of titanium. Cars uses tones of other rare earths. Any hint by the US to start a trace war and wreck China’s economy needs to be met with blanket bans on anything the US can’t buy elsewhere. It is scandalous when the US wants dual use end products like F35s that China cuts off chips for Chinese computer companies.

alx west
alx west
10 months ago
Reply to  peter mackey

= given the China bashing by US presidents Biden and Trump.

it is easy!

never take anything personal!

and never do WHAT IS EXPECTED FROM YOU by your enemies and-or adversaries!

Frosty
Frosty
10 months ago

Poor TACO boy is getting trashed so badly on the global tariff negotiations that he has sent 2,000 Federalized National Guardsmen to invade a U.S. city. PLUS he is sending in 500 fully armed Marines to kill Americans in the streets.

Like he said. “Dictator on day one”.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
10 months ago

The US needs to return to self sufficiency. Chinese electronics contain Trojan Pandas. Allowing a potential enemy to be a monopoly of critical materials for national defense loses wars without firing a shot. Allowing a potential enemy to buy real estate next to military bases within the US can also give adversaries advantages. The benefits of global trade have been replaced by liabilities.

alx west
alx west
10 months ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

jesus!!

this ship is in ocean many years ago

you are not american?

main export of USA is dollars and weapons.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago

Can’t say the libertarians didn’t warn about this stuff.  Been building for a good 25 years, since 9.11.01 inside job.………….. uniparty of world wide empire bombing comes home to roost.  To paraphrase Malcolm X

Sentient
Sentient
10 months ago

Trump thinking he could beat China is like Zelensky thinking he can beat Russia. Neither has the cards. A man’s got to know his limitations.

alx west
alx west
10 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Ukraine will never ever return to its borders.

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about USA.-China

why is it always about beating?
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USA have all kind of resources to be prosper, way beyond china!

it is just upper classes decided many years ago that hustling and stealing is more profitable than production and competing

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago

ART OF WAR, versus. THE APPRENTICE REALITY FICTIONAL TEEEEEVEEEE

Avery2
Avery2
10 months ago

Is the Good Humor truck in the neighborhood?!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited 10 months ago by Avery2
David Heartland
David Heartland
10 months ago

Trump just said: “There is an Orange-Skinned Man in my Mirror and he is looking worse and worse in the World of Negotiating. I can barely stand him now.”

Fubar111111
Fubar111111
10 months ago

Breaking Truth Social: “After many days of brutal negotiation, I have successfully made a great deal with myself, in which I conceded absolutely nothing to reality. THIS IS THE GREATEST DEAL IN US HISTORY!!!”

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
10 months ago
Reply to  Fubar111111

His base knows this to be real genius

Patrick
Patrick
10 months ago

Asia Times is published in Hong Kong. If you thing HK is not under the CCP thumb, I have a bridge to sell.

BenW
BenW
10 months ago

Asia Times comments Xi calls Trump’s bluff and wins, time and time again.”

ROTFLMAO!

No. Absolutely not. There’s no way the Asia Times is biased. NO FREAKING WAY, man. This is legit commentary with absolutely no incentive to make TACO Trump look bad.

Same byline over here in the USA. WSJ, MSNBC, CNN, & NYT are all producing incredible reporting about how bad this is going to end for TACO Trump. I can’t get enough of this unbiased, down the middle reporting.

TACO Trump is toast, and everyone knows it, especially the Asia Times.

Legit!

Fubar111111
Fubar111111
10 months ago
Reply to  BenW

Asia Times is based in Singapore. Where they are very practical, they do business with China, but dont really trust them. A nominal US ally, they dont try to make Trump look any better or worse, Asians are polite in publ ic.

Trump is a superstar at making himself look bad, he doesnt need any help

BenW
BenW
10 months ago
Reply to  Fubar111111

Fubar, if the Chinese CCP has infiltrated the USA with tens of thousands of military aged males waiting to attack our electric grid, water sources, dams, set off EMP devices & God knows what else, then let’s step back into reality that they’ve infiltrated the Asia times, okay?

alx west
alx west
10 months ago
Reply to  BenW

 USA with tens of thousands of military aged males waiting to attack our electric grid, water sources, dams,
==

you should see as doctor

i see paranoia from distance of 12 hours zone

BenW
BenW
10 months ago
Reply to  alx west

38K is a LEGIT number. Go do a minimal research and that’s the figure. No paranoia necessary.

And that’s not counting the millions of military-aged males from south of the border. I would expect there are at least 500K illegals who assist the cartels to do all sorts of mayhem. This is very reasonable given that 10-14M made it in under Biden, and that doesn’t county the 11-15M who were here pre-2020.

It’s absolutely mindboggling the extent to which all of these bad actors could do harm to us domestically.

If we all really knew that the threat level is, we’d collectively sh!t a brick. Make

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  BenW

down the middle reporting. sounds stupid. like trophies for losers. how about just the truth.

BenW
BenW
10 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

The truth lies in the middle. It’s in-between the extreme viewpoints & obfuscation.

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
10 months ago

No one wins trade wars.” Exactly (& could be said of wars in general really).

Trump has forbidden fractionators of natural gas liquids to fulfill their contracts to deliver to China NGLs already loaded in the boats. A lot of sunk costs totally lost to these companies. There is not another market the ethane can be sold into.

China can’t make plastic. US can’t sell the ethane/butane it spent millions to produce and load on the boat. This is economic disaster.

And as in any war, those who do most of the suffering have nothing to gain.

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
10 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

In conventional war, those who do the dying are generally those who have the least and have the least to gain. Not the Lindsey Grahams and George Bushs of the world.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

pre korean war, the military and casualties were the worst for the ivy league ruling class young men, versus any other demographic. after ww2, CIA was the place for them, and Yale fed that beast with the brightest and most cunning with blood as cold as ice.

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
10 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

You may have a point re WWI, where college men and sons of British gentry were the lieutenants who led the charges between trenches.

But the generalization stands. They didn’t have that much to gain, compared to the bankers, the arms merchants, the Winston Churchill types. And though the lieutenant class had high casualties, none of the ranks above that did much dying, compared to the slaves they commanded.

WWI and WWII were both fought with slave armies…conscripts. Though heavily propagandized to accept their chains.

EADOman
EADOman
10 months ago

The Art of the Deal and 5D chess at work.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
10 months ago

China signs deal with Russia to build a power plant on the moon — potentially leaving the US in the dust
https://www.livescience.com/space/the-moon/china-signs-deal-with-russia-to-build-a-power-plant-on-the-moon-potentially-leaving-the-us-in-the-dust

SleemoG
SleemoG
10 months ago

Agent Krasnov acting on behalf of his beloved Mother Russia.

Jojo
Jojo
10 months ago

Ha ha! Some Sunday humor?

Tacos with Trump’s face, chickens on his head: Internet explodes with memes on ‘Trump Always Chickens Out’
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/tacos-with-trumps-face-chickens-on-his-head-internet-explodes-with-memes-on-trump-always-chickens-out/articleshow/121493616.cms

Jackula
Jackula
10 months ago

Taco Trump…fitting as I watch the political theater here in LA. Hope nobody gets killed..

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago

I said this before and will say it again, the world just needs to wait out Trump because he can’t be trusted to honor any deal he signs. It’s revocable at his next temper tantrum.

There is only 1322 days left in this administration. Anyone expecting a new golden age can now see it won’t be happening, you’ll be getting inflation, stagflation or an economic collapse.

Anyone expecting mass deportation is only getting a circus show.
Anyone expecting China to cave will only see it power up by trading with the rest of the world.

Anyone still clinging to hopes of the great orange messiah saving them will only get the usual disappointment.

Jack
Jack
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Yes

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Unless you give TACO some money or invest in any of his self-dealing activities.

texastim65
texastim65
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

4 years is a VERY long time for businesses / foreign countries to wait out Trump going out of office.

Your business could easily go under in that time frame or as a country you could get into serious trouble of your own (political / economic) due to the fall out that happens over 4 years.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  texastim65

And yet not one single country has officially signed any deal. NOT ONE SINGLE ONE. I forgot to mention that the courts could also nullify TACOs tariff power anyway. If that happens, the world really can wait it out.

But you are correct, there will be bankruptcies and difficulties ahead for some but what else can they do when you’re dealing with an insane megalomaniac?

Jon
Jon
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Exactly why the Founding Fathers wanted very little power vested in the executive branch. Unfortunately our education system hasn’t adequately explained the constitutional order to the general population.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  Jon

the founding fathers in 1787 pulled a coup of central government from the articles of confederation. a 13 country confederation for violent revolution and self rule for all 13. don’t kid yourself. we will goback to pre 1860 setup in next few years. trump just an accelarant

texastim65
texastim65
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

We are but 2 months into the tariff insanity and no one knows if it will survive court challenges. Governments, despite what Trump thinks move slowly especially in negotiations like this.

Put another way, there are 42 months to go in his term with tariff demands comprising about 2 of them (the last 2). That means countries are only 5% of the way through the tariff era if they continue for the remaining 42 months.

I would not expect any countries to sign anything until courts make a ruling and congress / senate passes whatever bill they end up passing. That will give a good indication of what may or may not survive tariff wise.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  texastim65

Yes. US businesses are like deer in the headlights. Frozen in fear, and unable to make future decisions because the future can change in a moment’s notice when the crybaby in chief throws a tantrum.

Foreign countries are waiting out Trump because they have to. In the meantime they are using the time to negotiate with the rest of the world. I expect far more deals to be announced over the next few years than in recent memory. Just not with the US.

Trump is doing everything possible to f*ck over US manufacturing by increasing their input costs. Our manufacturers are screwed.

texastim65
texastim65
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I suspect they are waiting for court challenges and the passage of whatever remains of the BBB. That will tell a lot about what will be in terms of tariffs going forward.

texastim65
texastim65
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Forgot to mention it but my company (in the Oil and Gas business) believes there is going to be a big slowdown in the 4th quarter in our industry and stretching into the new year. We are battening down the hatches for it.

I mention it because I know you are big into Oil and Gas and have a quick trigger finger for getting in/out of stocks so this is an early heads up for the 2nd half of the year.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  texastim65

thanks for inside look. i love crashes to trade assets. let’s pray you are correct.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  texastim65

And why are they expecting a slow down if Trump is going to make the economy supposedly boom with this new tariff regime?

Is it because they expect a flood of oil from the middle east or an economic recession?

texastim65
texastim65
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Recession leading to drop in oil demand leading to drop in oil prices which makes drilling less profitable especially in shale which need certain oil price to make sense.

Our company sells a lot of consumables to the drillers and our customers giving all kinds of warnings about lowered demand for products.

I know you want to sell 4th quarter puts so this is an early confirmation of the trade being successful.

Last edited 10 months ago by texastim65
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
10 months ago
Reply to  texastim65

Saudis already said they’re okay with lower oil prices. The probably want to sideline as much US shale as possible.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  texastim65

Appreciate that.

Rig counts continue to drop.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
10 months ago
Reply to  texastim65

NOG and SM still good for a green ride for a few months yet

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

us companies and people in about 100x worse position than companies and people in other countries. we are pariahs now. like israel.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

i have personally lived through 2 separate great depressions and panics in 2 different locations. always ugly, but some of us can come out great, and help the weaker and more unlucky, among us. i suspect this is coming to usa, coast to coast in the near future.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
10 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

Michael Burry is that you?

Abcd
Abcd
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

But what about the argument thst US manufacturing can adapt. That the trade deficit is heavily damaging the country because we cant just keep printing money to send overseas because it’s fueling inflation.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Abcd

Mish is correct Abcd. Use aluminum as an example. We import 50% of what we use and it would take a decade to build new smelters to replace that imported supply. In the meantime we place 50% tariffs on that imported supply and raise prices for our manufacturing sector.

And our own aluminum companies will raise prices to take advantage of the tariffs in the meantime.

Tariffs are very inflationary.

Fubar111111
Fubar111111
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

You think the global and US economies will survive 1322 more days of Trumpism?

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

50 state solution. we’ll have a potus and senate. but like most banana republics nobody will pay attention to anything or laws they pass. your local cops and governors and mayors will matter way more. 50 state solution. it’s coming fast now. yawn.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
10 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

Why not just break the US up into 50 countries. Let the world’s fifth largest economy loose (CA)

Suzanne
Suzanne
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

This is correct.

Jack
Jack
10 months ago

What are the Chinese gonna think when one always talks tough & then lies about having a great deal when they have nothing? Obviously the Chinese see extreme weakness & will not budge. They’ll probably get more than they had before, that’s how pathetic & weak The Grifter in Chief is. How embarrassing is this idiot, does he have no pride? He’s like a poodle barking at a lion.

Jack
Jack
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

That’s cuz they are smart & The Grifter in Chief as well as all the politicians in the US are dumb as can be. They have a bigoted view of the world & really believe they are superior beings. lol God give me strength…….

Last edited 10 months ago by Jack
Jackula
Jackula
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

They have already won in the court of world public opinion

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Asia Times reported this outcome months ago.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

I see China’s exports to the US dropped by 34% in May. But their exports increased everywhere else, and they ended up with an overall increase.

Yet the cult morons here claimed that the US was the only country that mattered to China for exports. They don’t realize that we only make up around 14% of China’s exports.

Jon
Jon
10 months ago
Reply to  Jack

Can’t tell you how much my European and Japanese friends laugh at us. Best I can tell them is this is what happens when you let the dumbest people vote.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  Jon

amerikans are NOT dumb. they are nihilists. 98%. big difference. much worse.

SleemoG
SleemoG
10 months ago
Reply to  Jack

Cui bono? Agent Krasnov is destroying the US from within, the only way it can be accomplished. Big benefits for his superior Putin.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  Jack

pride? a nihilist pedophile like donald? meaningless term.

Jean
Jean
10 months ago

Trump is running the country in emergency mode. But he did say that’s what he was going to do, and we still voted for him. This is what we voted for. Let’s not pretend we didn’t know this.

Jack
Jack
10 months ago
Reply to  Jean

Running down the country, Biden & Trump tag team hammering the last nail in the US coffin.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  Jack

BINGO. the prizes are what the old soviet oligarchs got. from kazahkstan to ukraine to russia…………was there in 90s. wild times. everything not nailed down was free for the taking.

Flavia
Flavia
10 months ago
Reply to  Jean

You voted for him.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Jean

I never vote. But I enjoy observing the theatrics of Trump far more than Biden.

Trump is the gift that just keeps on giving. Such a f*cking moron.

I love it.

What a show!

David Heartland
David Heartland
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Papa, I do not vote either, so I have no feelings of a let-down OR a relief that TrumpCO is in. He is just entertaining.

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

i vote libertarian and green and been an activist against evil empire. also vote in italia. the nihilists in amerika that don’t vote or vote themselves is a logical conclusion in a crumbling evil empire. by chance, i was in barcelona when 500,000 protesters surrounded the feds and police there………..for a week. secession movement. the people in southern europe ain’t afraid of their gov. big difference from the yanks.

Jon
Jon
10 months ago
Reply to  Jean

I voted for Harris. Didn’t like her, but she at least wasn’t a complete idiot. Most Americans voted up to their intellectual capacity.

David Heartland
David Heartland
10 months ago
Reply to  Jon

Jon, you occupy a world that is foggy, and that fog has gotten into your head and is leaking out.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
10 months ago
Reply to  Jean

Even most who voted against Trump didn’t think he would be this much of an idiot and menace to global society

bmcc
bmcc
10 months ago

perhaps you never attended a trump rally or have maga as family or friends. no surprise to me. FFS i attended a trump rally summer of 2015. jaw dropping morons.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Jean

I have no problem with those who vote. It’s an important part of our democracy.

And I don’t care how people vote. Good on them for taking the time.

I don’t care which party has control. I just look for the opportunity each party provides.

I also believe that government has an important role to play in our country. Such as defense, security, health and education, etc. I am not anti-government. We need government.

However, I admit to being amazed at the stupidity of both parties. But even more amazed at the stupidity of the supporters of both parties.

For example, watching the Trump supporters drone on about how his tariffs are going to eliminate the deficit and income taxes, pay off the debt and lead us to the golden age is quite amusing. Once you drink the cult koolaid, you seem to lose the ability to think for yourself.

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