Did Republican Odds of Winning the Senate Jump By One Seat or Three?

538 Senate Forecast as of OCT. 26, 2022, AT 8:43 PM. I ask “Really?!”

On Tuesday, Democrat John Fetterman and Republican Mehmet Oz had their first and only debate. It was a disaster for Fetterman, and even the Democrats admit as such.

Fetterman had a stroke in May and throughout he kept stumbling, dropping words, and losing his train of thought.

Pennsylvania Debate News Headlines

The Fetterman-Oz Debate Was a Rorschach Test

The Atlantic comments The Fetterman-Oz Debate Was a Rorschach Test emphasis mine.

Why did John Fetterman’s team agree to tonight’s debate? Because declining it likely seemed a worse option. 

Fetterman prioritized speed over lucidity, and his disjointed sentences made his struggles unmistakable. This evening, Fetterman may have lost whatever swing voters are left in Pennsylvania. And yet, he may have won over some voters who watched a man recovering from a stroke stumble through sentences on live TV and came away admiring his courage for debating at all.

Tonight’s hour-long exchange was, in some ways, a Rorschach test of comfort with disability. 

Notably, Fetterman failed (or declined) to answer some key questions and follow-ups. When asked directly about his contradictory statements on the issue of hydraulic fracking, he simply said, “I absolutely support fracking,” without elaborating as to how or why he changed his position.

He has acknowledged difficulties in his stroke recovery, but tonight he refused to commit to releasing his detailed medical records. As a result, voters lack a complete understanding of how the stroke may have affected him. It’s reasonable—essential, even—for the public to ask questions and expect transparency after a major medical event. Transparency, Fetterman countered, would come in the form of him being onstage to compete at all.

But after tonight, he may no longer have a choice but to be more forthcoming about the medical challenges he faces—and to place his faith in Pennsylvania voters identifying with his struggles instead of viewing them as disqualifying.

Bizarre Fracking Exchange

“I’ve always supported fracking,” Mr. Fetterman said when pressed by a moderator. He later added that, “I do support fracking and I don’t, I don’t—I support fracking, and I stand, and I do support fracking.”

What?!

The above as noted by the Wall Street Journal in Why Democrats Are Losing The Midterms

John Fetterman: The Midterms’ October Surprise

The Wall Street Journal reported John Fetterman: The Midterms’ October Surprise

The WSJ subtitle is interesting “By withholding crucial information about his health, the candidate has likely ensured a GOP Senate win in Pennsylvania.

I don’t know about “likely” but certainly it’s far more likely. Contrast the WSJ take with 538.

 538 Fetterman Odds 

538 Pennsylvania Forecast as of OCT. 26, 2022, AT 8:43 PM. I ask “Really!?”

The next set of polls may be revealing. This would not be close at all had Republicans picked a stronger candidate.

Georgia 

538 Georgia Forecast as of OCT. 26, 2022, AT 8:43 PM. I ask “Really!?”

Which Polls Are Influencing Georgia

538 Georgia Polls as of OCT. 26, 2022, AT 8:43 PM

Walker is ahead on three of the most recent 4 polls and tied on the fourth. 

Walker not only has momentum, but now the lead. 

The Race Totally Ignored By Everyone Else

538 New Hampshire Senate Forecast as of OCT. 26, 2022, AT 8:43 PM

This race was totally off my radar but I accidentally happened to see a Poll for Hassan that caught my eye. 

Then I checked 538 for all the New Hampshire polls. 

Which Polls Are Influencing New Hampshire

538 New Hampshire Polls as of OCT. 26, 2022, AT 8:43 PM

New Hampshire Synopsis 

  • Out of 8 polls, only one has Hassan over 50%. 
  • The latest poll has Hassan ahead by a mere percentage point, 48% to 47%
  • The average of the latest three polls is Hassan 49% to Bolduc 46.33% 

Perhaps Hassan has an edge, assuming you believe those polls. But check out the race for Governor.

New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu

538 New Hampshire Governor Forecast as of OCT. 26, 2022, AT 8:43 PM

In the latest four polls Chris Sununu leads Tom Sherman by 13 points twice and 17 points twice. 

New Hampshire House 1st District

538 New Hampshire 1st District Forecast as of OCT. 26, 2022, AT 8:43 PM

There is only one moderately recent poll, and it’s not that recent. Pappas, the Democrat, leads by 1. 

Heating Oil

Heating Oil Futures courtesy of Trading Economics

The EIA has Quick Facts on New Hampshire State Energy Profile as of September 2022.

  • More than two-fifths of New Hampshire households use fuel oil as their primary heating fuel, the second-largest share among the states and about 10 times greater than the national average.
  • New Hampshire is one of only eight states and the District of Columbia where the residential sector is the largest energy consumer

How happy are those residents with the price of fuel oil?

Coat Tails 

New Hampshire has a history of split ticket voting. 

However, given the popularity of Sununu and undoubtedly unhappy heating oil customers, what are the real odds for House District 1 and the New Hampshire Senate race?

538 says New Hampshire District 1 is 77% for Pappas and 78% for Senator Maggie Hassan.

“Really?!”

No, strike that, I politely say “BS”. 

There are not enough fresh polls to make such preposterous claims given clear trend shifts towards Republicans. 

Who Will Win The Senate?

With a third race reasonably  in play (New Hampshire in addition to Georgia and Pennsylvania), with momentum clearly shifting towards Republicans, the chance of Republicans winning at least two of those three now seems odds on to me.

Recently, I had the most likely Senate outcome as another 50-50 tie. However, the Pennsylvania and Georgia debates changed my mind.

And we also have a potential wildcard in New Hampshire that no one seems to have even considered. 

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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Do we have an opinion from the NFL Head, Neck and Spine Committee?
There should be a Federal requirement to provide Super Bowl quality commercials on networks covering Tuesday elections.
Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago
538 is a complete joke
They nailed one election and have been dead wrong ever since. Their Fetterman projection will cement their status as the biggest one hit wonder in all of political polling.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Yesterday Fetterman entered Casual Male XL and bought XXL hoodie to wrap and contaminate Obama.
Scott Maze
Scott Maze
1 year ago
lotta pissed off reds gonna vote red
Agave
Agave
1 year ago
It’s not going to be primarily about debates, scandals, or policy.
It’s going to be about turnout, and motivation regarding negative partisanship.
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
The DONORcrat Party fans always keep lecturing left-leaning independent voters to vote for the “lesser evil”. It is time that independent voters finally take that advice. Given the absolutely insane warmongering by the *entire* DONORcrat Party (both the leaders AND most of their voters), those independents should vote for the lesser evil, i.e., the Republican Party.
Cocoa
Cocoa
1 year ago
Any of these toss up states with a surge in Republican interest could certainly be tipped back to Democrats with a few extra votes here and there. Hopefully the Republicans have learned to not participant in polls to tip off vote boosting systems. The internet connected machines(yeah they leave the connectivity on by accident) are harder to stymie as their programming looks for the wrong pattern direction and and drop a few.of the “wrong” votes.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  Cocoa
Even some of the MARXIST media is now conceding that Republicans will win by wider margins, cause they admit they have been under counting Republicans in the poles!!!!
And now admit that was their mistake!!!
JoeJohnson
JoeJohnson
1 year ago
Arizona Senate race is now competitive too despite Kelly being up the entire summer
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Republicans or Democrats, the Uni-Party wins. There is no political solution coming out of D.C.. The source of our problems cannot be our source for the solution to those problems. But, this is clown world.
Avery
Avery
1 year ago
The imbecilic media corpse had a field day with Admiral Stockdale.
They can drop dead,
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Someone has to point out if a person is capable of doing the job. Democraps were incapable of determining the aptitude of Kamela and Biden.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Depending upon the quantity of intelligence and/or senescence there is a level below which measuring aptitude is impossible.
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
1 year ago
In 6 yrs I have been polled twice and LIED THROUGH MY TEETH each time.
Why would anyone trust polls? I sure don’t. That’s why I lie when they call. I actually enjoy screwing up the pollster’s data precisely because it’s a tool for misuse.
NaetG
NaetG
1 year ago
I’d suggest you’re overlooking Nevada.
paddy
paddy
1 year ago
nhvoter.
registered democrat, did not vote in primary.
I will vote straight republican…..
Agave
Agave
1 year ago
Reply to  paddy
The term is fascist, not republican….
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
You clearly have no idea what fascism means.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
I was surprised that the Democrat party of Pennsylvania didn’t replace Fetterman after his stroke. In former days the party bosses would have thanked him and replaced him right away because of his health problem but now they don’t. Is it because they take voters for fools? Is it because they do not have any talent in Pennsylvania or is it because that once the program and campaign have been set up to push Fetterman they find it impossible to switch to alternatives in short notice?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Maybe they don’t care because they already know the election result is fixed thanks to mail in ballots and Dominion voting machines 😉
Conspiracy theories aside, it’s ridiculous that he wasn’t replaced immediately.
Avery
Avery
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Nothing new.
John Stroger. Chicago.
paddy
paddy
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
easier to caucus with him!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
In a woke world, we are all equal, and therefore qualified, no matter the task.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
In all truth: Exactly how “well” someone performs at some some silly standup entertainment act, has about a hard zero bearing on how well he could perform what is supposed to be deliberate acts, like lawmaking.
If, one surprising day, politics were to be about something other than providing feelgood career opportunities for protected class dilettantes without the ability to neither do nor comprehend anything of real significance: Debates would be conducted in print. Over months. In either formal logic or a language akin to Haskell. Those on the Manhattan Project, weren’t picked by virtue of their performances on Manhattan standup stages. For good reason.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I have always had a soft spot in my heart for spastic eye surgeons.
Everyone gets a trophy.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
I’ve heard 2 sets of rumors about this, take with a grain of salt.
1) they asked him to step down but Fetterman wouldn’t
2) Fetterman and his wife made extraordinary efforts to hide the extent of the damage
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  ajc1970
Points 1 and 2 underlines the fact that he is not capable of rational thought.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
I wouldn’t really call them “points” as much as rumors that have potential to be partially true
I’m sympathetic to anybody with a head injury — you don’t think straight afterward, sometimes for a long time
Mine was from blunt force trauma but strokes can behave in the same way
I don’t blame him for anything he’s done/said since the stroke, including failing to withdraw. I do blame people close to him for not “guiding” him out. And I think his life before the stroke is a story of wasted privilege and bold corruption.
Agave
Agave
1 year ago
Reply to  ajc1970
Head injury: Herschel.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
yeah, maybe
he’s a loser. but he’s running against a loser. one of them must win.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Voters are fools. Look at all the jackasses voters have put into power. Putting corpses in office just means their controllers have realized they don’t have to work so hard to hide anymore. People are just unbelievably stupid.
Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
I don’t think they took Oz seriously and smugly assumed they would win regardless of who the they picked.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Probably a lot of sunk costs in posters and bumper stickers, etc.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
It’s borderline cruel what they’ve done with Fetterman by leaving him in a senate race he has no business being in. He should have been replaced months ago by another candidate.
Do you think he could even pass a Drivers License test right now? Or if he was up on charges in court do you think he would be found fit for trial or able to give testimony? Those seem the absolute bare minimum things you need to be qualified to do in order to be a US Senator / Congressman.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
His wife was going to effectively be the senator. He would just do as told and not make any decisions. Reminds me of another democrat.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Search for their 2018 scandal, when he tried to hold off resigning as mayor so that the council would first appoint his wife as interim mayor
The council told him to shove it where the son doesn’t shine
Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
He makes Biden look competent in comparison. Maybe that’s why they stuck with Fetterman.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Real Clear politics has the pubs winning 53-47. They adjust the polls based on past performance relative to actual election results. IOW they add a few pct to the pub candidates.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Fetterman had a stroke. What’s Biden’s excuse?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Low IQ and corrupt?
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
senility-based dementia slowly creeping in, just as it would for all of us if we live long enough
some good days, some bad. ratio will get worse with time
He’ll resign in February, after the GA Senate runoff and after he hits midway mark through term so that the term doesn’t count against Harris’ limits
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
Reply to  ajc1970
So they think that Harris will then be Prez for 2 years plus another EIGHT years – by winning TWO elections??!! HI-LARIOUS!!!!
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  whirlaway
No, that thought is terrifying.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  whirlaway
I think they’ll play it that way. Why eliminate the possibility when it’s just a couple months more of keeping Biden around? They faked it this long, a little longer makes no difference.
But I agree… ain’t no chance of it actually happening
Agave
Agave
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
He’s not a fascist like the previous guy?
He gets legislation that helps working people passed?
He’s not trying to take away our rights, or destroy social security and medicare like the right wing extremists claim they will do? (Is that really what you want, fool?), or support blatant racism, bigotry, and misogyny?
He’s a decent person, not a grifter, liar, and criminal like his predecessor?
The polls are no longer reliable. Nov. 9 isn’t going to turn out quite like the pundits think, heh heh.
Agave
Agave
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
The day after results, that is, for those who don’t understand.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
until this week, I was worried the GOP would only have a mild victory, just the House.
but you’re right, Nov 9 isn’t going to turn out quite like the pundits think
this will be a red wave
House flipping (expected)
Senate flipping (unexpected)
Oregon, Arizona, Nevada turning red (unexpected)
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
Reply to  ajc1970
I think the lowest tally for the DONORcrat Party in the House is 188 (after 2010 midterms). There is a good chance they will take out that record and make a multi-decade low this time.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Agave
Wonder what the average IQ is for wokesters. I’m guessing it’s in the 80s.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I favor the original Stanford Binet classification for 80s:
Border-line deficiency, sometimes classifiable as dullness, often as feeble-mindedness.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Having built economic analysis simulation models in the past, I don’t put much faith in simulation models unless the core algorithms, and their underlying assumptions, have been rigorously tested. What variables are included in the model–this goes to predictive relevance? Other (big) problems include the potential for collinearity and assignment of probabilities to different outcomes–most assume normal distributions, for example.
Trust The Atlantic to spin the debate as a ‘Rorschach test of comfort with disability.’ It sounds authentically scientific, yet I am still trying to figure out how, “perceptions of inkblots” were analyzed using “psychological interpretation”. If it sounds like bull$hit, it probably is!
Keeping in mind that politics is 99% speaking, The Atlantic goes on… “Our society stigmatizes verbal disfluency. We are a culture of sound bites, mic drops, and clapbacks. To speak in
any way that deviates from the norm is to summon ridicule and judgment
.” Trump comes to mind, and The Atlantic joyously ridiculed him and challenged his judgment. .
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Put succinctly, it is much ado about nothing. Nothing will change.
But I feel the excitement in the air as if some horse race was on.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Our society also stigmatizes being repeatedly stupid in public.
Blue
Blue
1 year ago
Polls are waste of time unless they are like 10+ points in favor of a candidate. Fetterman’s performance was poor. However, if people can vote for Walker (born an idiot), then they can vote for Fetterman (possibly disabled).
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Blue
Polls are like baseball cards for political spectators
They have some value as a tool but it’s ephemeral so most people don’t care about them (unless they’re in the industry of electing candidates)
But if you treat politics like sports, you take interest in them
Fetterman’s performance was so poor that it’s going to cost him an election he would have probably won
In a couple days we’ll see the first post-debate polls roll in and see him behind for the first time. Bad time to trend down.
Even though 800,000 people in PA had already cast their ballots before the debate, it won’t be enough to save him.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Blue
Was going to comment that it’s ironic Pub’s are obsessed with Fetterman’s “fracking” stumble while Walker has marbles in his mouth.
I’m outright bewildered Walker’s giving Warnock a run, that man makes Trump look sensible.
.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You have two fraudsters and women abusers running against each other… what do you do?
Votes will fall along party lines
Maybe people would normally sit out that election but with Kemp-Abrams up-ballot, both Warnock and Walker are gonna get lots of votes, go to a January runoff without an up-ballot choice, and then it’s going to be a voter turnout game
Agave
Agave
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
It’s rural Georgia. What do you expect?
I’ve been there.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
In our post reality world, where anyone can be anything, and where we can legislate green energy and outlaw fossils fuels without having any real plans to replace them, John Fetterman seems the perfect candidate. If you listen carefully, you can hear the plank of the Democratic platform in his gibberish. The man is a genius! He has added a new dimension to political discourse and is a brilliant spokesman for what the Democratic Party has to offer!
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
NH and WA (Murray!) are now the interesting Senate races. I think Dems hold these seats, but they’re still the ones I’ll be watching on Nov 8/9
Dems have already lost PA, GA, AZ, NV, OH, NC, WI
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  ajc1970
I guess I need to consider WA now
Nah!
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I recognize it as a long-shot, but instead of looking at 538’s models, look at the trend in their collection of polls (ignoring the partisan-sponsored polls): link to projects.fivethirtyeight.com
It’s tightening and the reasons for that will only keep increasing in the next month
As I said, I think Dems hold that seat. But it’s going to be closer than expected.
Tangent: here in Oregon, Dems pulled national spending on OR-5. That’s the seat where a leftist Dem beat an *incumbent* centrist Dem in the primaries. Now they’re paying the price. We have 6 newly-gerrymandered House districts, 2 safe D, 1 safe R, and 3 that would be “lean D” in normal times but all 3 of those are at risk. OR-5 is one of them. OR gov race is getting all the press but we may send 4 GOP / 2 Dem to the House!
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
And OREGON!!!!
Republican Governor coming and I expect stunning senate vote results!!!
Agave
Agave
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
I don’t.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Oregon Senate seat stays with Dems/Wyden
I wish you were right
My upset call is Oregon though… Drazan over Kotek and at least 3 of 6 House seats, probably 4 of 6.
Where you at? I’m in OR-01.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Latest poll shows it Murray 49 – Smiley 48, separated by just a point
Single data point, and it’s Trafalgar, but the trend is clear

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