On Wednesday, the WSJ noted the Supreme Court Declines to Disturb Ballot Deadlines in North Carolina, Pennsylvania
The Supreme Court on Wednesday declined to disturb extended ballot deadlines in the battleground states of North Carolina and Pennsylvania, leaving the states more time to receive mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day.
The court’s newest justice, Amy Coney Barrett, didn’t participate in either decision “because of the need for a prompt resolution” and because she hasn’t had time to fully review the parties’ filings, a court spokeswoman said.
In the North Carolina litigation, the justices denied Republican requests to block a decision by state elections officials to extend the deadline for accepting mail-in ballots until Nov. 12, a six-day extension of the date set by the legislature.
On Friday, the Republican Party of Pennsylvania, backed by the Trump campaign, asked the Supreme Court to hear and decide its challenge before Election Day, Nov. 3. The motion was unusual in that only days earlier, the Supreme Court, by a 4-4 vote, had refused to block the three-day extension.
Justice Alito issued a statement saying “there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution,” but the proximity of Election Day made it impractical to decide the issue now.
Impractical to Decide Now?!
When the hell is it “practical”?
After the election perhaps, when it too damn late?
This matter should have been 100% settled.
Amy Coney Barrett didn’t participate in either decision “because of the need for a prompt resolution” and because she hasn’t had time to fully review the parties’ filings, a court spokeswoman said.
Which is it?
Prompt Resolution? or Time to Review?
If the Supreme Court agrees to take the case after the election there will not be a “prompt resolution” by definition.
What’s been resolved?
We would only have resolution if Barrett proclaimed this case was resolved or she would continue to recuse herself.
The Trap is Set
Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, a Democrat, informed the court that local elections officials had been directed to segregate ballots received after the Election Day deadline.
Trump deputy campaign manager and senior counsel Justin Clark said Mr. Shapiro’s decision to segregate ballots is “a big victory.’’
He added: “The Pennsylvania Secretary of State saw the writing on the wall and voluntarily complied with our injunction request,’’ which will “ensure they will not be counted until the U.S. Supreme Court rules on our petition.’’
Justice Alito cited that move in his statement, saying that it would allow “a targeted remedy,” such as invalidating the late-delivered votes, should the court take up the case after Election Day.
Targeted Theft
If it appears Pennsylvania may decide the election, the Supreme Court will hear the case and Barrett will likely say discard the ballots.
If it appears Pennsylvania will not decide the election, Barrett would either let the decision stand or more likely, the Supreme Court would not hear further challenges.
Do NOT Vote by Mail, Time is Up
The time to safely vote by mail has expired.
Team Trump will do anything and everything to make sure the votes are not delivered on time. They will also reject every possible signature.
The only saving grace is the Biden blowout is likely to be so big that theft will not matter.
Master Thief
The master thief accuses others of attempted theft.
And just yesterday, Trump’s campaign manager laid out just how Republicans would steal Pennsylvania.https://t.co/ue32kff6cH https://t.co/RJOgZL0OSu
— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) October 29, 2020
Mish
I brought this forward to highlight how accurate Mish has been. At the time he posted it, I thought it was absurd that anyone would believe that people would be given rules to vote, and then when they voted according to those rules, be told “We tricked you! Haha, your vote doesn’t count.” In this country, where it has long been accepted that every vote counts, no one could believe such a thing. Or, could they?
Mish was right. I was wrong. That was exactly what Trump tried to do.
Sounds like Mish is greasing the skids for Trump steals the election rather than Oops, Mish was in left field.
For someone who didn’t vote for either, you sure sound like you support Biden. LOL! I will laugh my ass off if Trump wins. Sounds like your greasing the skids for a Trump victory where Trump steals the election and not where Mish was flat out wrong.
Mish, there is nothing like receiving a Lillian Vernon catalog in the mail!
Jeff44 just had every comment he ever made deleted.
10 replies to Jeff just flew out the window as well
This week’s Philly riots will have a lot of Democrats voting for Trump.
Who was Jeff44? Gosh, Mish, when you toss someone, maybe you ought to quote a sample that’ll remind us all who they were and what the camel-back straw was. (I just watched a video of 100 best after-kill movie lines. So this suggestion comes to mind.)
As the left blocks and hides, Trump will be propelled to victory. That’s what I predict.
The now sitting Republicans are scum !
I don’t need a court ruling or a psychiatrists degree to figure that one out.
These Rerpub’s are Liars,Cheaters laced with a huge dose of No Integrity.
Winning at all costs,…even if the devil takes your soul,..and it has.
I’m no fan of the Dem’s either !
As my friend George Carlin has stated,…”SameSuit, Different Tie.”
I remember working to get Republicans elected in 1992 handing out “character matters” bumper stickers. The GOP would be laughed out of the room today handing those out.
Trap is a good word for it Mish, it is quite possible that we could see Joe Biden win the election and by a whisker win in Pennsylvania or North Carolina, only to have those votes tossed out later and the election results overturned. I can speak only for myself but I would very likely sell or even walk away from my house and leave the US for good if that happens because I do not want to be here when the shooting starts and it will. Florida will be one of the worst places to be when it all goes belly up. If anyone here thought the riots in the spring and summer were bad just wait till Trump finds a way to steal this election. It will be chaos and a lot of people will die. It will devolve and get worse till we no longer remain a viable nation outside of a far right police state. There will be no coming back from what Trump the GOP are planning, the only question is will they blink…. THIS TIME!
They are fascists and fascists do not give up that easily, there is way too much at stake for them to just say oh bother, let the will of the people rule the nation. Not going to happen. Especially when so many of those “people” are Mexican, black, uppity women, gay married couples, and other “low life” scum in the eyes of our corporate masters.
I’d be tempted to leave too, if the Republicans manage to steal the election in the courts. That would be a really bad sign imho…..of many more bad things to come.
That’s why I really, really hope it isn’t that close.
US is mired in Sub Saharan election procedures. Canada, Mexico, OECD and even Russian require a government picture ID to vote.
All those folks who threatened to leave US if Trump won in 16 are now jumping up with the same righteous hate. It was a lie in 16, and maybe more so now.
My wife and I will be leaving if Trump wins or steals election.
Bullshit and by the way I did leave January 10 of 2017. Flew to Australia and stayed the 90 days my visa allowed, then moved to Ireland and only returned when I got to sick to be treated there under their national health system. My primary provider is the VA and I had to return to access it. But, a few weeks to get better before leaving again turned into more than a year when they found cancer on the bladder and I had to remain. Then, wouldn’t you know the damned black mass on the bladder spontaniously disappeared.
I may not be able to leave if he steal this election though, one of the things the republicans are planning to to SLASH older disabled veteran compensation by more than half. I would hate to be in Costa Rica or some other nation and get paid one day to find out I cannot even afford a third world S^&*hole.
I left about a year ago, let me know if you have any questions.
Yes, is it better where you are and if so, where?
Thanks.
Ideal location is obviously very personal. I’m in northern Spain and I love it. The food quality, the social life, the nature and history is inspiring and uplifting every day. I like the weather and air quality. Property costs and taxes are much more reasonable. Income tax is obviously higher but I feel like I am at least three times richer, yet I spend less overall. I recommend making a list of what’s important to you. I used to live in LA, and things like sports games or concerts were not appealing to me, but if basketball games are important to you, you have to plan around that. For me, nature, food quality, environmental Quality, healthcare and cultural events are the most important.
Thank you for your reply. I would think with the very high youth unemployment there (and Europe) that they would make it hard for a foreigner to get a job and even purchase real estate. I visited Spain many years ago (early ’90’s) and loved it! Just a gorgeous country where the ladies are so naturally beautiful, they don’t wear make up – at least when I saw it.
Yes, preaching to the choir about LA, as I moved from there two years ago to flyover country. I’m very happy with the cost of living! Although, nothing compares to California weather and beauty (except Spain, maybe).
i work remotely making software, so no problems with income. women still don’t wear makeup here, it really is a breath of fresh air for me.
You are deluding yourself if you think that if Biden wins, social unrest will go away. It won’t. The main cause of social unrest is the younger generation’s inability to their natural right of accumulating private property (i.e., pursuit of happiness). End of story.
Well thank you for consulting your crystal ball and informing us of the future as it relates to the unrest of the youthful population. I would say the nation needs to lighten their load by limiting how much of someone’s income can be taken as repayment for student loans in any given month/year, a cap on the required repayment. I also would reduce the interest rate to be comprable to other long term interest such as the 10 year bond that bankers get when they borrow money. I would also have the government buy all student debt from private for profit lenders so that forebearance decisions are in the hands of public servants rather than greed motivated bankers. Last I would make student debt dischargable in bankruptcy under most circumstances.
One thing I would NOT do is have a blanket debt forgiveness for student loans. It is simply too unfair to those that have had to repay theirs to see the rest get a free pass. I had to pay mine back. millions of people have paid back as it should be, nobody put a gun to this kids head and forced them to take these loans, and if they borrowed with no intenstion or repaying then they committed a crime, fraud.
Please do not tell me that they have no choice other than to borrow to pay for college, that is a flat out lie. I paid MOST of my education costs via my 4 years of service in the Air Force. You can go to an accredited schoolwith transferable credits for FREE while in the military. Once out you have education benefits that offset much of the cost of college.
I had no other choice in the mid seventies when the economy was a SHAMBLES with towering inflation and rationing, unemployment in my region was close to 33%, and I enjoyed my time in the service. If someone whines about taking that option then all I can say is they must not want a college degree hard enough to put up with some inconvenience.
Let them drive a truck, or work in a donut shop then. The government does not have to promise all the world’s goodies on a silver platter for those too lazy to put in any effort. And if they are not happy with the positive changes and still think it is wise to go out and create public mahem and anarchy then fine, let them cool their heels in a detention camp in the desert for a year or two. You do not have to be some fascist republican to agree that public order has to come first if we are to repair this nation, these young can be part of the solution or part of the problem, if they pick the latter then they will be treated the way all problems get treated.
Herkie, I agree with you on nearly every point. However, higher education prices in the 1970’s are nothing like they are now. I would be against the government purchasing any student debt from private lenders. Rather, just allow student debt to be dischargeable in bankruptcy. What a scumbag Bush was for allowing that to pass. Also, the other big factor is the complete bailing out of the housing sector back in 2008. Had house prices been allowed to fall back to historical trend and sound lending practices restored (i.e., 20% down, not to exceed 2.5 x income), then the younger generation would be much less aggrieved. Instead we have a generational war about inflated asset prices being masked as a race war, IMO. Nobody would be marching in the streets if they were going home to their own homes or an affordable abode.
Excellent points. Making it so student debt could not be discharged in bankruptcy had the effect of making loans easy to get. That, in turn, had the unintended consequence that there was no resistance to raising tuition. The result was a dramatic increase in tuition, which in turn burdened a generation with massive piles of debt. It used to be possible to work on the side and pay your tuition, but not today.
Yes, funny how it responds to some parts of capitalism but not all, is that system broken? Or is capitalism broken?
Capitalism says that with the explosion of new entrants into colleges and massive increases in prices the private education industry should have built more capacity and competed on price. We went from a quarter of high schoolers headed to college to half or more of them going to college, and then you also had scam artists like Donald Trump opening “universities” which had only one goal, to fleece the new programs for students without ever giving anyone a legitimate eduaction. My Mom fell into one of those and ended up with huge student debt after a few semesters of secretarial training at a “private college.” To learn how to have a low paid job forever.
Housing prices are higher now and that is a problem not just for people wanting higher education, but so are wages, when I was in college and took the one student loan I borrowed I was making so little money it was a joke. I was one of the last to get old GI Bill out of the service, people who enlisted after me had the new GI Bill. They had to contribute to get it and the government generously matched the contributions, I did not have to pay anything to get it. But I lived in Sonoma County (it was by then 1988 and I had a strict time limit to use the GI Bill) The college financial aid office screwed up my financial aid package and I was cut off of funds from the Pell Grant, so I had to drop out for the remainder of the semester till someone got the problem fixed, I was trying to live on about $1,200 per month and even then in Sonoma County that was dire freaking poverty.
Housing and other costs of basic living are and always have been a major issue for college students who’s parents are not wealthy. So what? You are poor in college, the vast majority are anyway. The difference is if you have chosen a decent major you can make $50k to START right out of college and it rises the rest of your life. I have even seen quite a few majors where kids are hired straight out of college making 6 figures.
I think much of the problem is that kids today think they are entitled to have a middle class life the day they graduate and to be affluent, set for life by 30. They did not understand that you have to work half your adult life to get to that point. They never understood that their pareents were making it LOOK easy for their sake, but in reality it is a scramble for 90% of us under the best of conditions.
The need to defer things like starting a family till after that debt is paid. And then there is this, when the college messed up my financial aid package and I was living in Sonoma County and suddenly had no income at all I realized I simply could not afford college, at least not in California. I did not want to go into massive debt because I had learned that no matter how hard YOU are trying and working toward a goal, the systems in place to help you are fallible and meager at best. You can be on the hook for the screw ups of other people, that higher education is not an entitlement. It is something you make the decision to buy.
As far as guaranteed student loans being purchased by the government, the government already backs those loans in case of default. Loans that are not backed by the federal government (and I confess I am unaware of any) are dischargable in BK already. It is only government backed loans that cannot be discharged.
One of the things you note and I would LIKE to agree but cannot, is the housing costs and lending practices for mortgages. You must remember that for more than half of all Americans their home equity is their only positive net worth. Without that house equity they would be basically homeless without credit, college debt would not be an issue because for more than half of American high school kids college would simply be out of the question.
The 20% down payment was the very thing that locked so many out of the housing markets to start with, I graduated high School in 1975, my father bought a house 3 doors away from the Pacific in 1968 for less than $19,000 and by the time I graduated the same house was over $135k. Wages were such that you could not save a 20% down payment on prevailing wages and still afford to live, it would have eaten something like 80% of your earnings to save that money in 10 years time, and even then at the end of the ten years it would not have been enough because housing rose so fast our savint could never keep up. Ten years later the same house was going for over $200k and by the 90’s another ten years on over $300k. If I could have put HALF of my take home pay into savings for a 20% down in a house in my home state starting in 1975 when I was by the way making $1.50 per hour, at no point would I have had the 20% down payment. I still would not to this day have been able to save 20% of the cost of a house in northern California.
People say WELL THEN MOVE to a cheaper area. I did, I mved from California to go to college in Ohio. Eventually I settled in Oregon not far from my home town. But last year I came to the conclusion that if I remained there in 2020 housing costs (as a renter) would make me homeless on my veteran’s disability so I moved to Florida. You cannot keep moving to ever cheaper housing markets nor should you be required to give up friends and family and your birthplace to survive.
But I will say this, college costs for some universities in some locations are extreme, but that is not true of every college or town. There are places where you can go to college and still survive and it is up to the student to make a degree from a lesser school work for them.
Something you do not mention is the sheer vast numbers of kids who think they have to get a degree. Not all people who graduate high school are even cut out for higher education. The fact that so many are going to college is a large part of what is driving college costs, supply and demand is at play. These days it is not unusual for fully half of a graduating class to go on to college, back when I graduated not even a quarter planned to go to college. They could not afford it. I could not afford it, my family was too busy trying to pay for a roof to even consider college. Back then small student loans were nothing more than an augmentation of living costs so college kids did not actually starve. Now it is not unusual for kids to borrow $30 or $40 thousand per year. How do they think they are going to pay that kind of loan off? And why does that become MY problem when they cannot? I paid off the one loan I took. Not before it screwed up my credit for 11 years during the formative first post grad years when you are trying to build not just a job but a career.
I am sorry for the length of this post, but these are very complex problems that take forever to unpack and digest in any functional way. You will not understand it no less solve it in a Tweet like a certain orange fat ass I could name.
I am pretty sure that the major part of the problem is that the expectations of young people have been distorted to the point where they feel entitled to start life affluent, have college paid for in total, and then make a great affluent salary the day they graduate and which continues till retirement. It simply does not work that way.
All 16 members of my extended family have second passports and a way to escape the Fourth Reich. If Trump wins, Canada is expecting millions of refugees.
Did you not already abandon a house in Florida and leave it to the bank and Fannie Mae to cover your incompetence? Now you compose a long verbose paragraph of left wing apocalyptic fantastique images. All this because you and Mr. Shedlock can’t seem to understand that election counting does not go on into eternity. I hear the weather in Venezuela is pleasing at this time of the year.
How many posters are Chi-com trolls on this thread, 60-70%? Paid propagandists is the only way to explain the lunacy displayed on Mish Talk daily.
Said the troll that joined Mish Talk in OCTOBER 2020!
Again YOU joined Mish Talk OCTOBER 2020 for no other reason than to come troll us with Trump proaganda, and not an argument made, a reason given, a shred of support for your claims.
You would know had yo been a reader here that posts like yours are not tolerated. Your post is sdpam and be flagged as such.
Both sides are doing everything possible to win. Singling out one party as being dishonest is asinine.
One side is turning out the vote.
The other side is saying the election is rigged and a sham and refuses to concede to a peaceful transfer of power.
The democrats want to vote, to have their constitutional right to vote and have that vote count. They find that in white GOP dominated precincts people go to vote and are done in 20 minutes, in mostly minority areas they go to vote and they wait up to 8 hours, and in some places in Georgia up to 11 hours, now who in Georgia made those decisions to set up voting stations the way they did? Not democrats, they are not in charge in Georgia.
The difference here is Trump is using every lever of the federal government to STOP democrats from voting or having that vote counted. He is suing in every swing state to to stop counting of ballots even though it is IMPOSSIBLE to count all the ballots in the allotted time because of Covid and how the voters in those states were urged to vote by mail.
He used his presidential authority to fire the postmaster general in late July and replace her with a new postmaster general named DeJoy who is not qualified for the job and has only two things to recommend him, one is he is a wealthy GOP donor, the other is he is willing to do absolutely anything Trump wants even breaking the law to slow the mails and “lose” dem ballots. Because if they can slow the mail enough millions of ballots from mostly democrats will not get counted.
They are TRYING to rig it and may yet, but it is the job of the president to enforce our laws not break them. IT is the JOB of the Attorney General to investigate crime and bring criminals to justice not to aid and abet the criminals who are using criminal means to disenfranchize millions of democrat voters.
The GOP is in power, POWER meaning they and only they can do this. Their job is to defend democracy not destroy it in broad daylight. And of course the republicans must cheat because they would never hold office again if they did not.
Well there is a saying and I have to keep repeating it, payback is a bitch and it starts in January.
False equivalency – there is one side that has been quite obviously planning on challenging the result if it doesn’t go their way for some time (Trump and Republicans). All the subsequent noise about not conceding on the Demo side came from and after that plan came to light.
Sources: Gina Raimondo Being Considered as Biden’s Treasury Secretary
The Rhode Island governor would not be a popular selection among progressives or organized labor. link to prospect.org
Silly journalist…..Raimondo never worked for Goldman, she can’t possibly run the Treasury.
Raimondo is more conservative and “Republican” than Mnuchin. She’d be an exceptional Trump choice as well.
If Trump wins the left will scream voter fraud. If Biden wins the right will scream suppression/fraud.
Am I he only sane one left? Either way this goes half will lose faith in the system.
As Mish has said before, in government there is no measure more permanent than a temporary measure. Is mail in voting a good long term idea?
Trump supporters are already detached from reality. I say Trump supporters and not “the right” because there are some on the right that are attacking Trump and supporting Biden.
Mail in voting is a great long term idea. I mean you do think that everyone should have the opportunity to vote, and for that process to be as accessible as possible, right?
Can you imagine the money that is/will be associated with vote harvesting. With mail in voting you can semi-legally pay people for votes. 50 dollars for a vote of the wanted flavor. 2 million votes could swing and election. That only 100 million dollars to win an election. That’s a bargain compared to the current cost.
This election won’t mean shit in 20 years. Changing the voting system will.
Really? Voting by mail is a bad idea? I’m a permanent absentee voter in California, and I can go online and track my ballot through the voting process. Seems transparent to me. What is people’s obsession with going to a polling place? Is there something romantic and wonderful about standing in line??
I think absentee voting is a good idea. The difference between absentee and mail in voting is very simple. One is generally solicited and one is not. How many nursing home residents absentee vote? How many would vote if a ballot for all of them was sent to the nursing home? I could then set up a stand that in inter-cities and buy voting envelopes for 50 bucks a piece. Most nursing home techs are low paid and work in these areas. The vote I couldn’t pay for but the official envelope can be purchase. I would of course then check them and repackage. For 100 million I could buy 2 million envelopes. That would be targeted to key states.
If mail in voting requires creating an online ID, a social security number, a date of birth, and an address I am all for it. Sending out a card to sign to get s ballot seems risky. Mailing out unsolicited ballots seems terrifying.
We can’t let capitalism creep any farther into our voting system. Mail in voting could give a price to a vote.
> The difference between absentee and mail in voting is very simple
They’re the same thing.
Mail in voting is a bad long term idea. Only way I know of to do fair verifiable elections is voting at the polls in person with observers representing all folks/proposals in the race watching the voting and the vote counting. Totals from the polling places are then published, tallied centrally and reported
Oregon’s been doing vote by mail elections for years, fairly and efficiently. What the hell are you talking about?
Two thirds of the requested mail-in ballots in PA have already been received…..and going by voter registration, the Dems have outvoted the Republicans (plus various other parties) by a factor of two to one.
So only about a million mail-in ballots are even out there…and I’d bet most Democrats have already got their ballots in….just because they all expected some kind of swindle.
A million ballots is one ninth of the registered voters in PA. With Biden leading in the polls by 5%, it seems unlikely that throwing this back into the courts after the election will be worth it.
Obviously for PA the way to go is a drop box site.
That may or may not work, if the counties where you drop your ballot is a republican run county they still may simply get impounded till after the deadline. Worse, they may get lost. Here in Florida we can track our actual ballot and that should be how it is done everywhere. When I voted in Nevada they had very sophisticated machines, I do not know how secure they were as to hackers getting at them, but when you finished voting on the touchscreen you hit enter and it goes into REVIEW mode where you can make certain that is the electronic ballot you wanted to cast. If you want you can correct it or change your mind about something, when it is the way you want it you hit accept and cast the vote. Then the machine prints a ticket on a cash register like roll of tape and you can see through a plastic window that it recorded your vote on a paper trail which stays inside the machine so if any electronic hanky panky goes on they have the paper backup with your unique voter ID on your vote, so they could if need be go back and contact voters if they think there has been any changes made.
I felt like that is a great system, but what we have here are politicians essentially going to court to demand the courts APPOINT them to office rather than counting the votes of the people. If Trump wins because of court action this nation is dead. It will not tolerate another stolen election using the courts or foreign helpers spreading disinformation through social media. The ONLY cure to avoid dissolution of the country after this election is if one side or the other wins in an overwhelmig blowout that the otherside cannot plausibly say it was rigged, that no level of court action can get around.
Then we pack the court at 15 justices. No president should ever be able to destabilize the settled law of the land by lucking into so many appointments as to plant a hard partisan bias that will take decades to change. By moving to 15 justices it is very unlikely enough will die or retire in any one presidential term to unbalance the court system.
If the republicans look at the courts as a way to short circuit the will of the people in a democracy then it is up to the democrats to EXACTLY the same thing, the GOP said it not me, not the democrats, if the show was on the other foot. That is ratiponalizing cheating, if we are going to have government for the cheaters, of the cheaters, by the cheaters, then the dems just have to cheat better. The minority party right is in a state of open treason and they have packed the federal bench to enforce their minority will on the rest of us and that crap ends now or the nation ends now, so if the country fails it is because they decided to kill it rather than act like reasonable adults and adhere to the rule of law.
I should have added that this actually happened to me in 2000, I was a resident of Florida and just moved to NY state too late to register there, so I requested an absentee ballot from Leon County, FL, in late August, plenty of time to get to me well before election day. The week before election day I still had not gotten it so I called the registrars office in Tallahassee and they claimed they mailed it out long before I called. I did get it, the DAY AFTER THE ELECTION! Leon County is a blue county in FL, solid dem, so I do not suspect they withheld my ballot, but, my local postman in NY (was Dutchess County known for being a swing county where both parties have got at least 40% of the vote in every election since 1996) was a crotchety old guy and he knew the household I lived in was democrat. Erik was active in supporting gay and lesbian causes as well as democratic politics. I believe to this day that mailman while delivering the mail one day saw my ballot from Florida and simply dropped it under the driver’s seat, and then “discoverd” it and delivered it the day after the election. Bush was declared winner by 536 votes in 2000 and this only had to happen to a vanishingly small percent of dem voters for the course of history to change. What if we never had 9/11 because a President Gore had taken the threat more seriously and acted where Bush fobbed threats like that off and did not want to piss of Saudi allies and personal friends? Think of all the ways life would be different now.
There needs to be a line somewhere. I think a postmark by the date of the election sounds reasonable.
In 20 years this election won’t matter at all. What might end up mattering is the changing of our voting system that from a technical standpoint has been pretty much unaltered.
Not knowing the outcome of an election for weeks or months seems unreasonable to me. It also opens the door for corruption.
I have news for you…
You work for some government agency that has special access to information streams?
Nope. You just know what hearsay you have heard. To think Biden propaganda is more truthful that Trump propaganda is truly moronic.
Fed Is ‘Really’ Out Of Firepower. ‘Only Government Spending’ Can Save Country
He’s a former chair not a current one. What he says has about as much weight as what Greenspan has been saying after he left office. The fed has PLENTY of fire power as Powell has noted many times.
With 5 ays to go before the election its too late to vote by mail. Simple as that.
I do have a hard time believing the Supreme Court will throw away mass numbers of votes for few reasons.
First the optics are terrible, second voting is traditionally decide by the states. I think John Roberts will do his best to ensure the court is not seen as taking a political stand. Up to now its the one institution Americans view as being least political. That would all change if they were to do something so overt.
Within a state, the USPS should be able to deliver a mail within 3-4 working days. Anything beyond that?
i’ve sent intra-state mail. six days is not unusual. five days is fast , seven is slow
I recently sent a CC payment by mail 7 days early. Yes some of us still do that. Never a problem. It took 10 days to get there and get processed. I was charged a late fee for the first time ever on that CC. It is very slow right now even though the USPS delivers 181M pieces of mail daily…
On a positive note I “voted early”, late last night. No line whatsoever. In and out in approx 4 minutes. I feel bad for those who have to wait in line but it might be better than going on election day…mask up and get’r done if you’re able!
I agree. They won’t invalidate large number of votes. Yet, the safest solution is to deposit the vote-by-mail ballot in a deposit box, which I did. Here, there is one at the election office, plus in every library.
The supreme court doesn’t run on optics for the media mob and leftists, it runs on constitutionality.
I never would have guessed that Mish is a liberal and is going to vote for someone as corrupt as Biden? Astounding, really.
Nice of you to take the time to join and post one of the most uninformed comments I’ve ever seen. Kudos!
I was only surprised, I haven’t been on the forum for a number of years and didn’t recall Mish being liberal. Of course this year it’s not a matter of being liberal, just whether you are voting for a color revolution and the dismantling of our constitution or not. That so many people haven’t figured that out is the “astounding” part of the comment.
It would be fine if we were able to acknowledge the choice and discuss it as a country, but we are not doing so.
Clearly the mail-in voting push is an attempt to make this a contested election. Then there are the riots that are being organized in DC by the left. Then they drag out the decision and try to get an election decided by the courts. Then it’s deemed a bad decision and a secessionist movement is started by the hard left marxists, which you appear to support.
So why not just have an honest discussion on the pros and cons of marxism instead of pretending this is about something else?
But, regardless, thanks for being the arbiter of whether a comment is uninformed or not. We all need more people with your wisdom around.
I don’t have to be the arbiter of whether a comment is uninformed or not. Mish has endorsed – publicly – the Libertarian candidate for president. The people with my wisdom already know that – and it does make your comment factually uninformed, at best. At worst, your comment is just a sour grapes falsehood.
The other blather in your response about Marxism and conspiracy BS was not worth the time to read and certainly doesn’t deserve any thought or response – but I’ll bite anyway. What sort of conversation about that tripe would you like to have?
As I said, I’ve not been to Mish’s site for years, didn’t know he publicly endorsed anyone, but his article certainly seemed to indicate support for Biden. However, I support libertarians whenever I can, I agree with everything (as I recall) that they stand for.
The far left now controls the Democratic party, they are admittedly Marxist. My comment was that this fact should be the subject of discussion in public debates between the candidates. Whether you or I agree/disagree on the merits of Marxism vs Capitalism or whether Marxism can co-exist with our constitution is irrelevant. I would like the people voting to understand what they are voting for, instead of this Kabuki dance going on about how this is just another election between D or R. (I’m neither)
As a libertarian (I’m assuming) I would suspect that the freedoms as outlined in the constitution would be something you deemed important enough to protect. It’s my OPINION that the constitution will be in peril should a color revolution be successful in this country. So when I see support for Biden, I associate that support with someone who is indifferent about the constitution or hasn’t educated themselves about what Antifa & BLM stand for, and are trying to do in this country. So, I stand corrected about Mish, thank you for educating me on his stated position.
Sorry, my reply nested above so not sure you’ll see it as a response, newbie mistake.
You have said that you want people to know what they are voting for, but you have painted the entire Democratic party as Marxist – which is not correct on its face. There are avowed Marxists on that side – but the entire party and leadership? No.
Just as ALL Republicans can’t be fascist – even though their presidential candidate has an affinity for ‘strong leaders’ that could easily be described that way.
You can’t have it just one way – if you are defending the Constitution, you have to defend it from both sides/ends. So far, I haven’t seen that in your responses – and that would make me more suspect of your motives than ‘the Democrats’.
The reason, imo, that a vote for Biden is a vote for Marxism is because he was pulled so far left. It’s common knowledge that he’s suffering some cognitive decline and Pelosi’s latest interest in re-vamping the 25th amendment indicates some interest in pulling some shenanigans on the next president. Which brings us to Kamala, who would likely be the president shortly after the election if Biden wins, and what her views/political leanings are? She’s very far left. She has supported the looting and rioting and is on video doing so. So I feel that I’m still correct that this IS about adopting Marxism although I clearly understand that many folks on the left don’t support that philosophy. How the Marxists managed to gain so much control over the Democratic party is hard to understand, but that’s what I’m seeing, and I’m sure you are aware of the AOC’s of the world gaining a toehold in the Democratic party.
Now, with regard to the constitution, I don’t understand what I’ve said that would indicate I don’t think EVERY American citizen should be protected and enjoy the benefits of the constitution? So I do defend any action by either side that’s constitutional, just not sure what caused you to think otherwise? Every American is covered by the constitution to include the 1st amendment and 2nd amendment, which right now appear under attack by the Marxists controlling the democratic party. Every politician takes an oath to defend the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic, yet the first thing the politicians on the left do is try to restrict firearms, and it’s an incremental approach. Biden has publicly stated that he intends to outlaw AR-15’s, for instance.
Then you have Democrats supporting BLM, which is on video forcing people under threat of violence to publicly state they support BLM. This isn’t free speech and certainly goes against libertarian views as I understand them. In fact there is nothing about BLM/Antifa actions that should be considered acceptable in this country since so much of it involves the destruction of private/public property. Much of this destruction is black owned businesses in poor communities, the very people this group purports to caring about. These are political riots, mostly funded by George Soros, who doesn’t give a shit about black people, only about the outcome of the election. The timing of these riots are not coincidental.
So supporting the constitution for everyone is exactly what this is about because Marxism is not compatible with it nor is fascism, which I’m not a fan of either. I can see where there are some leaders on the right, that because of their nationalistic views, would be considered fascist leaning, although I don’t recall anyone on the right advocating for dictatorial control. E.O’s are kind of like that, although Trump isn’t the president that started using them first. So you do have a point about fascism tendencies creeping in from the right a bit. That being said, I only support nationalism from the point of view that we need to put our country first when negotiating treaties and such, plus people coming into this country must do so legally.
Otherwise, I’m just for our country following the constitution AND getting rid of unnecessary rules and regulations that have served to restrict our freedoms. Gov’t should be much smaller and get out of the way of people living their lives. I don’t think either side is really on that same page but the lessor of two evils by far, IMO, in this particular election, is Trump (not all of the GOP who are riding his coattails).