Polls show a most Israelis want fighting to stop, but government plans to expand it
Israelis Hold Nationwide Protests and Strike
The Wall Street Journal reports Israelis Hold Nationwide Protests and Strike to End Gaza War
The families of Israeli hostages held in Gaza led nationwide protests and a strike calling for their loved ones to be freed and for an end to the war in Gaza, a sign of growing domestic pressure to wrap up the fighting even as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he plans to expand it.
Protesters blocked big highways across the country on Sunday morning—the start of the working week in Israel—as part of demonstrations that took place in more than 300 locations and drew hundreds of thousands of Israelis, according to organizers. Major Israeli universities and some businesses and tech companies said they would strike for the day in support of the families. More than 30 people were detained for disrupting public order, according to Israeli police.
Netanyahu criticized the demonstrations, saying that those who support ending the war without defeating Hamas were making a deal less likely and “ensuring that the atrocities of October 7 will repeat themselves again and again.”
The day of protests, one of the largest in recent months, comes after Netanyahu announced earlier this month that Israel would take over Gaza City, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are believed to be sheltering and where some Israeli hostages are thought to be held. That decision has drawn broad international condemnation as well as domestic opposition, with polls showing that close to 80% of Israelis, including some on the right-wing, support ending the war in exchange for the remaining hostages held in Gaza.
West Bank Expansion
Also consider Israeli Minister Strikes at Palestinian State With Move to Expand Key Settlement
Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said Israel would move ahead with a controversial settlement expansion near East Jerusalem that would isolate key Palestinian communities and significantly complicate prospects for a Palestinian state.
Smotrich, who also oversees civil affairs in the occupied Palestinian territories via a separate post in the defense ministry, said construction plans have been approved for a project that “finally buries the idea of a Palestinian state.”
The move comes after countries including France, the U.K. and Australia said they would recognize a Palestinian state by September, seeking to pressure Israel to scale back the nearly two-year war in Gaza. The recognitions would be symbolic but would leave Israel more isolated.
“Today, anyone in the world who tries to recognize a Palestinian state today will receive an answer from us on the ground,” Smotrich said Thursday. “They will talk about a Palestinian dream—and we will continue to build a Jewish reality.”
“Construction in E1 is considered essentially fatal to the prospect of a two-state solution,” according to Peace Now, an Israeli organization that tracks land seizures in the West Bank. The group said a hearing for final approval of the E1 settlement plan is scheduled for next week.
Much of the world considers Israeli settlements in the West Bank illegal under international law. Already, the patchwork of settlements and associated roads and other infrastructure have divided population centers in the territory, where residents are regularly subjected to diversions and long delays at checkpoints. Israeli settler attacks against Palestinians have surged in recent years, especially since the start of the war in Gaza, according to rights groups.
U.S. pressure to stop settlement expansion has been dialed back under President Trump, who appointed an ambassador who supports settlements and ended Biden-era sanctions on settlers deemed responsible for attacks on Palestinians.
“Under the Trump administration, it has been viewed that it is not a violation of international law for Israelis to live in Judea and Samaria,” U.S. Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal last month, using the biblical term for the West Bank.
The U.S. State Department said: “President Trump is realistic about the current state of affairs. As it stands, the conditions for a two-state solution do not exist, politically or practically.” The department directed questions about the E1 settlement construction plan to the Israeli government. The office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu didn’t respond to a request for comment.
The two-state solution, still the cornerstone of much thinking around resolving the tension in the Middle East, has lost adherents in Israel and the Palestinian territories for years. After the deadly Hamas-led attacks on Israel in October 2023 and the resulting war that has left tens of thousands of Palestinians dead and Gaza in ruins, the idea has even fewer supporters on either side.
Opposition Inside Israel
Al Jazeera asks Does anyone in Israel support the plan to escalate its offensive in Gaza?
The Israeli cabinet’s decision to escalate its war on Gaza, disregarding the humanitarian crises it has caused there already, appears to have angered as many in Israel as in the international community, though not necessarily for the same reasons.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had to backtrack on his idea of seizing all of Gaza after pushback from a military widely regarded as being exhausted.
Under the new “plan”, Israel will seize Gaza City and, according to an anonymous Israeli official talking to the Associated Press, Gaza’s “central camps” as well as al-Mawasi in the south.
Why does Netanyahu want to do this?
It’s not clear.Many in the international community, from the European Union to the United Nations, have condemned the idea. Even many of Israel’s formerly stalwart allies, like Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom, have condemned it.
In Israel, many suspect Netanyahu’s move aims to shore up his support among the far-right elements that his coalition needs to stay in power, and to drag out a war he feels his political survival depends on.
Does the security establishment fully support Netanyahu’s plan?
No.Israeli media reports that Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir and several senior Israeli officers oppose the plan.
“Everything that could be achieved by force has been achieved. The hostages cannot wait any longer,” the Commanders for Israel’s Security (CIS) group said in a post on X, where it shared the letter.
Does the Israeli public fully support Netanyahu’s plan?
No.Tens of thousands of people, including many of the captives’ families, have taken to the streets to protest against the decision to escalate the war.
In mid-July, a poll carried out by the Israeli Democracy Institute found 74 percent of Israelis supported a negotiated end to the war that would see the return of the roughly 50 captives remaining in Gaza.
Unfortunately, the political reality is that things are more likely to get even more extreme.
I Think Time to Free Palestine From Hamas
I Think Time to Free Israel From Benjamin Netanyahu now
The October 7, 2023, brutal Hamas attack on Israel conveniently enabled the Netanyahu government/IDF to justify or excuse extreme emergency war measures, then force through his/their ‘democratic reforms’ and do who-knows-what-more to Palestine — which so far has included atrocities like ethnically cleansing, systematic food-starving and mass slaughtering its long-time Palestinian non-combatants, especially children.
It’s also convenient for other Israeli power interests — particularly with western world governments and mainstream news-media basically falling into line and towing it. And who’s going to be able to stop the Israel Defense Forces with their state-of-the-art American-taxpayer-supplied weaponry?
It’s difficult to believe that the 10/7 ‘surprise’ attack on Israel was truly unexpected (albeit it may have been deadlier than the hypothetical Israeli insiders had anticipated). Regardless of the increasingly-corrupt mostly-corporatized Western mainstream news-media (unlike genuinely independent news outlets) basically deeming it non-newsworthy, it’s no real secret that Israeli officials had been warned in advance by at least one credible source.
Perhaps those Israeli lives lost, however tragic, were/are considered by the increasingly immorally opportunistic prime minister, and ilk, as a good investment or return — i.e. the future mass cleansing of Palestinians from their land, followed by its annexation with plentiful natural resources.
Also, not widely known by the outside world is that Netanyahu’s military-officer brother was killed during an attack against Palestinian and German hostage-takers in 1976 by Israeli forces. The prime minister may still want more Palestinian blood for that, however innocent.
I am wondering why a reasonable solution for the Palestinians and Isreal has never been formulated with reasonable mechanisms for enforcement.
It’s done now by Trump and Bibi.
Just like most wars. Its because a certain percent of the population hate each other.
Bibi needs a war to stay in power and out of jail
Israel doesn’t want peace – it wants to eradicate Palestinians or remove them and then claim Gaza and the West Bank as part of Greater Israel. Hard to negotiate with people using Nazi-like tactics.
Obvious nonsense. Israel gave Gaza over completely despite strong internal resistance. They gave the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt in exchange for peace. They gave a small area back to Jordan for peace.
In contrast, Islamic colonization has conquered vast areas of land across the middle east and north Africa, and has stated designs on Islamifying the whole world
The Palestinians will not accept any “two-state solution” – they want all the Jews out, or dead.
From Hamas’ 1988 Covenant….
” Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.
The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews’ usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.
“I swear by the holder of Mohammed’s soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed.”
The Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) consider itself to be the spearhead of the circle of struggle with world Zionism and a step on the road.
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.””
It’s not about the jews. Stop centering Jews… The Palis are rightly resentful of being displaced. If they had been displaced by Catalans, they would be resisting and attacking Catalans.
Putin has the oil and Trump is all about oil and making the US dependent on oil.
Dark Ages for sure…
The Putin ~ Trump alliance is obvious…
Israel should be careful because Trumps support can collapse in a nano-second…
Shouldn’t you get back to your plowing, simple-minded farmer Frosty?
This is nothing short of tragic. Bibi and the at this point essentially Nazis surrounding him are openly arresting people who were held hostage by Hamas. This genocide will create generations of anti-Semitism world wide and absolutely damn the Israeli state to an eventual ugly end. Palestinians deserve better, Jews deserve better, Israel deserves better. Humanity itself deserves better, whatever happened to never again?
It has been lost in a world where Presidents have accomplices in Con-gress that protect them from accountability for raping young girls.
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ICC is political.
ICC arrested Duerte so called criminal who neutralized drug lords
but not the criminal who is committing genocide on the world stage.
2MM citizens of Israel are Arab / Palestinian. 20% of the population. In the US, 13% of the population is black. That’s a lot. Why do the Israelis have Palestinian citizens if they are trying to kill all the Palestinians? So confusing isn’t it.
They have to have their slaves?
Israeli Arabs have full rights. They have several parties in the Knesset. They get priorities to enter colleges. Hezbollah missiles landed on them. A few formed criminal gangs, blackmailing farmers. On Oct 7 2023 they didn’t Join Hamas and Hezbollah. They are the most privileged citizen in Israel. They are better off than most Egyptians, Jordanians, and Lebanese. Next, west bank, before Jasa. It’s the best insurance policy from those who want to throw Israel to the sea.
You need to go and see psychiatrist.
These are primarily the descendants of the SMART Arabas that accepted the offer of FULL AND EQUAL Israel citizenship back in 1948, when the country was created.
Meanwhile, their stupid brethren refused the offer, declared themselves “refugees” and got the the UN to create a dedicated AID agency (UNRWA) just for them that has supported three going on four generations of these “refugees” with hundreds of unlimited daily truckloads of food and supplies! All they did for three whole generations is produce more kids that they couldn’t feed who became fodder for terrorist groups like Hamas.
Welfare scammers everywhere are so jealous of the Palestinians!
They are hyper-violent professional refugees who are hated right across the Middle-East. Only the morally-bankrupt Western politicians support them, as they are always looking for phony virtues to display…
Phony virtues like self-determination and property rights?
someone is in deep denial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_expulsion_from_Lydda_and_Ramle
No one wants continual warfare. Sometime war is inevitable, such as after the Hamas mass murder of Oct. 7. 1200 Israelis, as pct of population, equivalent to almost 50,000 US deaths. Wow. Is Bibi wrong to try and wipe out Hamas? What happened in Germany by 1945? Or Japan’s major cities same time frame. So, Hamas slinks back into its tunnels, waits for Iran to rearm it, next time with deadlier means? Yeah, the whole restorative justice idea sounds nice in theory, doesn’t really work out does it.
Can you name that IDF unit that attempts to control the narrative by posting on every social media site?
You posted to Zero Hedeg right?
The IDF won the war, Hamas won the narrative.
Are you sure about that? The Jews have been at war since pre-biblical times…
Always playing the “Victims”. Most religions are like that. Getting involved in politics and trying to convert everyone else to their cult. Treating non-believers as inferior and animals.
Humans are bizarre creatures when It comes to their religions…
Yet Bibi and most of Israel are secular. Israeli police forces beat orthodox Jews to conscript some of them. Welcome to another corrupt government.
You mean, the Jews have been persecuted since pre-biblical times. I suppose you think that the Holocaust was, “Playing the victim” too…?
Jews don’t look for converts. They try to dissuade people wanting to convert….
NETTIE and TRUMPIE (and their respective teams) all make money on Wars (and their respective teams).
Citizens have no say in this.
Forget about riots.
Both Governments will shoot those crowds should they get too rowdy and (oh my God) hurt BUSINESSES!
Any more questions?
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
― Smedley D. Butler, War Is a Racket
And so the US benefitted economically and became a safe and civilized place for a few generations. Massive consumption on a scale never seen before in human history! Fantastic evolution of technology!
But now, the ever expanding global populations want what they see on TV and the internet ~ they want it all!
They are willing to fight and invade for it.
Trump is right about closing the borders, those religious fanatics in Mexico and Central America tend to over-populate…
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Trump is already gearing up for crushing resistance to him becoming “Emperor Trump” by installing soldiers in our major cities. He likely has no intention of their being another election.
Flashy protests don’t mirror public opinion. Nixon won a huge majority in 1972 despite flashy anti-Vietnam protests. The peace candidate, McGovern was swamped. Israel always re-elects the war criminal Netanyahu, that doesn’t say anything good about the Israelis as a people.
You kind of missed the point. BILLIONS of people aligned with BRICS+ watch this happen and understand the funding comes from the US.
The protests are from the Israeli’s with not enough money to actually leave the country unlike their rich brethren now invading, sorry, purchasing burnt homes in Cypress.
In the long run the US/Israel and EU ( But they have been trying to kiss ass) will be ignored by the rest of the world. Persona non grata as they already are in many places.
Money spent killing people is money from your pocket. It is money that keeps homeless people from robbing you. It is your future social safety net.
I can not imagine how anyone can not see the obvious. Eventually there will rise some political genius who had family killed and has a deep pathological vengeance. That person will draw others with similar hatred.
They will turn on us.
It has happened before and will happen again.
Who is dumb enough to vote against self interest?
I for one would like to see an increased social safety net and not fear some very angry young people will start nuking cities or towns.
One from each book
2. But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” – Matthew 22:34-39
3. And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:28-31
4. And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 10:27
5. A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you also must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.” John 13:34
Obama regime change team flew to Tel Aviv to oust Bibi. Since then his cancer metastasized: unelected supreme court judges, federal judges, the gov legal council, the media, Tel Aviv elite, who are riding on the hostages families backs, and the “Just not Bibi” gang ==> are trying to oust him. He will retire as the best PM Israel had, who paved the way to a better ME.
Apples and oranges. The US had half a million troops in Vietnam in 1968 but that number dropped to less than one hundred thousand by 1972.
Egypt’s Al Sisi, Qatar, Turkey.. options: accept Palestinian refugees. // Gaza city wiped out.
TACO resort baby!
Egypt already has enough refugees and does not want the problems from Gaza spilling over the border
Have you all watched the interview of the Israeli solider who testified this past month about how he was perplexed by an order the morning of October 7 not to perform the routine patrol by his unit’s section of wall? How the commander who radioed the order didn’t understand it and said he had no explanation either?
Man the Zero Hedge crowd has been all over this for a very long time.
Like 911 lot’s of inconsistencies.
Both rabbit holes run really deep.
Also one of the reasons Tik Tok and Telegraph are under pressure is they report on what is happening in Gaza and Ukraine.
You can not have a real narrative truth out there for everyone to see.
We can name: 911, The Covid Sham and Israel, as well as ALL of the lies surrounding “The EVIL PUTIN” and pretty much conclude that most people just wanna eat and Play.
Isn’t that why the term ” SHEEPLE” was created?
People spent good money on PET ROCKS, then MELANIA COIN.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin
9/11 inconsistencies? Dont know why anyone doesnt ever bring up Operation Northwoods. A blueprint made decades ago.
What killed me was Rice claiming who could imagine this could happen.
But it was a plot in the X Files spin off Lone Gunmen and a plot in the novel series the Destroyer.
Plus way back when it first happened some tv channel was at some school where days before children had drawn planes crashing into the towers.
On C-Span one congress man stated his daughter was warned not to go into work that day, buildings. When they FBI investigated the living space of the person that warned her it was totally cleaned even the rugs removed.
Much outlier little bits have disappeared down the rabbit hole on 911.
It was a PSY-OP just like 911.
People are dimly aware of this but also WANT to NOT believe that the Monsters behind all of these ops are real and are still in Charge.
Thank you
Smedley Butler warned everyone.
“…the patrol was delayed until 9am due to threats of anti-tank missiles – unusual but not unheard of….”
Netanyahu has doomed Israel. Not today, not tomorrow, but by 25 or 30 years time, Israel will cease to exist.
The reason is simple–Demographics. And I’m not talking about demographics in the Middle East where Arabs greatly outnumber Israelis.
No, I’m referring to the West. To put it bluntly, there’s only one group of people — besides Jews — who supports Israel…those who are old and white. Everybody else is against Israel, especially the young.
This presents an existential problem for Israel. What’s going to happen when these old and white people soon die off? The youth of today will take charge and Western support for Israel will collapse. And no amount of AIPAC money, bribery, or propaganda will change their minds because Millennials and Generation Z have seen the horrific images of kids getting massacred, hospitals, mosques, and churches being bombed, starving people used as target practice for the IDF, and journalists executed for reporting and showing these images.
That’s why Hamas has already won: they’ve managed to get Israel to hoist themselves on their own petard and set the wheels in motion for its own destruction. Look at the damage already done, especially in the Western countries:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/03/most-people-across-24-surveyed-countries-have-negative-views-of-israel-and-netanyahu/sr_25-06-03_views-of-israel_1/
Without invariable support from the West, Israel won’t survive because it needs a constant influx of money, weapons, technology since it doesn’t produce much of anything. When that support is cut off, adversaries surrounding Israel will take their pound of flesh for the lashes it has suffered from them for the past 80+ years and Israel will be overrun like Saigon.
You’re starting to see signs of this upheaval already in the West. A Muslim mayor is going to be elected in Jew York City, largely because he captured the youth vote. Could you imagine this happening only 2 decades after 9/11? That’s how fast things change in the world.
Congratulations Bibi, you’ve cast Israel into the dustbin of history like the Ottoman Empire, the Soviet Union, and Nazi Germany.
Er, Im old(ish) and white and I detest Bibi. Tramp could stop this BS in 24hrs but the US establishment, dominated as it is by a powerful Zionist lobby elects not to.
Bibi will continue so long as he is able to avoid trial/sentencing. I agree with you, he has most probably sowed the seeds of Israels demise.
Except Massie.
Did we ever hear his wife’s cause of death?
Does this mean we’ll have to take back Pollard and all the pedos that fled to Israel?
“This presents an existential problem for Israel.” Come on now, most of the BOOMERS will be dead in 30 years. The youngest are 61 today so making 91 is a VERY unlikely outcome. SO, It is not existential in a TIMING way.
Aid from the US is almost exclusively military – Israel’s GDP is US$574 billion and its economy is the 25th largest in the world. I’d be betting on their survival, and prosperity….
Israel is also considered a technology leader. And all from a country of only 10 million people! Who knew?
And according to Perplexity “Israel has produced 13 Nobel Prize winners since its independence in 1948. These laureates have been recognized across multiple fields, including chemistry, economics, literature, and peace. Israel is particularly noted for its achievements in chemistry, with nearly half of its laureates winning in this category”.
Conversely, Yasser Arafat is the only Palestinian to receive a Nobel and that was for “Peace” [rotflol]
This is why the rubes hate Jews. Pure envy & jealousy.
Within a decade or two there will be one state, a democratic state, free for Arabs and Jews, between the River and the Sea. It will connect Asia, the Gulf states and Europe. It will flourish. It will be the flower of the ME. Arabs will do especially well, thanks to Bibi and Trump. But first Hamas has to go. The globalists broke our bones. The surgeon will cut the hip, drilled a canal, put a rod, a plate and screws to stabilize the fractured bone. After a year, when the US economy will recover, Dr Trump will remove the rod, the plate and the screws, but the scars will stay.
Un huh. I’ll wager everything I have that you are wrong.
The truth is that in 30 years, Israel will have significantly expanded in size. Here’s a possible map for you to ruminate on::
Highly doubtful. My apartment is in that part of Egypt. Cairo alone will have over 40 million people in under 30 years with millions more in the cities along the canal and Red Sea. Do you think that Egypt will give up all that land? Lose the billions earned every year from Red Sea tourism or from canal revenue? Or have to move it’s capital (including the 100 billion invested in the New Capital).
What if it gets taken from them? What if Israel kicks their rears again and scoops up more land?
In wars people die, get injured. become prisoners or unknown soldiers. Tel Aviv elite and the hostages families dictate terms. Fifty out of 300 hostages didn’t come back. Only 10/15 are still alive. Hamas leftover use them as a human shied. Trading 10 hostages for 500 murderers, with 60 days ceasefire, in tranches, have a cost. When the campaign restart 40/50 more soldiers die. Bibi and his religious ministers put the screamers in their right place. Options: end of the war. Hamas symbolic leftover deported. // Ginghis Khan wipeouts Gaza city. 300,000 soldiers will sausage Hamas until 2026, until nothing is left. Macron, Merz, Starmer and Tel Aviv elite signal Hamas to hang on. They imposed an embargo on Israel. The E3 don’t matter. They are noise.
What is the name of that Israeli intelligence unit that posts to media sites like this? The one trying to downplay how bad things are and how good Israel is. The one attempting to control the narrative.
C’mon you know.
Tal Bagels. Good stuff.
Zero Hedge remembers.
I guess this shows the uselessness of polls.
Israel is a country of 10 million people. Only a few hundred thousand vocal minority (essentially the same as almost everywhere in the world on every subject) are making all the noise.
Unfortunately, these relatively few rabble rousers are bolstered by the Hamas worldwide propaganda network, UN and other AID workers trying not to lose their essentially permanent jobs providing free aid to the Palestinians over decades and bleeding-hearts everywhere
If Netanyahu and his political alignment did not have the support of the majority in Israel and President Trump’s administration, then they would not be able to continue as they are. D’oh!
My what a narrow view you have. There is an Israeli unit that posts to various media sites attempting to influence. They get called out on ZH all the time.
You ever post there?
Obviously you think every murdered journalist and bombed hospital is Hamas right?
One would think by your posts you consider genocide a wonderful achievement.
Your narrow view ignores the fact the rest of the BILLIONS of people in the world watch US money and bombs kill and starve innocent people.
Women and children, how sad you have no empathy for the innocent.
I pity your family.
Jojo is right, though. Most Israelis support the holocaust in Gaza.
60k dead, by the “official” Hamas Health Ministry count, with at least half of them terrorists (although the Hamas Health Ministry does not make this breakout) does not constitute a genocide or a holocaust.
Idiot.
The use of the word, “genocide” was specifically selected originally due to the particular sensitivity Jews have to it – it was intended as a slap in the face and the use of it undermines the users’ credibility. The widescale use of “smart bombs” which target specific buildings AFTER the residents have been given a chance to flee (such humanitarian warnings being unprecedented in times of warfare) give the lie to the claim of indiscriminate destruction.
By way of contrast, in World War Two, both Allied and German high-altitude bombers hoped to land about 10% of their bombs within five miles of their intended target.
Not sure how much “innocence” Palestinians have, given that they have shown majority support for Hamas in every survey since 7th October – at least until the most recent which saw support drop to 50%. 87% still deny that any atrocities happened on October 7th.
Hamas did everything they could to provoke a war with Israel, and after years of trying, finally achieved their aim, and now they do everything possible to maximize the civilian death count, both real and imagined, for the propaganda leverage. Since you’re apparently on Hamas’ side, perhaps you’re secretly pleased by these dead civilians too….
Stop the holocaust in Gaza!
My football team lost badly on the weekend…
It was a Holocaust!
Need to revisit the assassination of Malcolm X. He was on this subject 60 years ago.
The world put a wooden stake in the heart of the settler/colonial system in apartheid South Africa. For some reason the Jews in Israel didn’t get the message. Like a lot of common practices that are now abhorrent, colonialism will no longer be tolerated. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians, There needs to be a one state solution with equal rights for all inhabitants in Palestine. If the Ashkenazis don’t like it they should go back to Brooklyn, or Poland…..
Screw that – they have their own oblast:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
There is one city in NYS which is Jewish run, police and everything.
Kiryas Joel, New York, is a village known for its large population of Yiddish-speaking Jews and is often cited as an example of a community with a strong Hasidic Jewish identity and rapid growth within New York state, according to a Wikipedia page. It’s a village within the Town of Palm Tree, Orange County, and is governed by one government.
Here’s why Kiryas Joel stands out:
Poorest town in NYS, highest percentage of welfare recipients, large families, a lot of the men work for cash in NYC, diamond district, etc. May not be the poorest town now, since the surrounding area has some newer Jewish settlements.
At night you can hear the gunfire as they have military training camps for the use of US weapons. They are breeding soldiers as fast as they can to spread or impose their religion.
They are a cult by any definition, refuse to bathe and their stench assaults passers by.
Yet they are tolerated just as Trumps assaults on little girls are tolerated.
It is a truly shocking place and heavily guarded in some areas…
Tread lightly if you go there…
The majority of the Jews in Israel are refugees from Arab countries. You think that they will be safe in countries that already stole their properties?
My guess is you are a westerner who has never even been to the Middle East . I can show you an empty synagogue near my dentist in Misr El Gedida. Built 1934, not been used since Nasser imprisoned or expelled those Jewish Egyptian males who had not already left in the 1960s.
It was worse in many other countries. And would you be Ok with the Palestinian Jews whose families were pogromed from the Jewish quarter of Gaza city in 1929 returning. Same with those pogromed from Ramallah at that time?
As for the Ashenazi Jews? Considering that Hitler only decided on The Final Solution in 1942 when the same mufti of Jerusalem who had instigated those pogroms moved to Berlin it could be said the Palestinians who supported that mufti ended up causing the Israeli state to become a reality. Now their descendants in Gaza are finding out what happens when you FAFO on Oct7.
Most Palestinians never supported Hamas. Netanyahu did. The crippled and dead Israelis are on Netanyahu and his voters.
Nonsense. The polls showed support among Palestinians for Hamas as high as 85%, and has always been a majority until the most recent polls where it still remains at 43% support – higher than the Palestinian Authority or Fatah. 77% still oppose the disarmament of Hamas. Approval for the October 7th attack has also always been in the majority, until the most recent poll which showed 50% support.
How come the Holocaust never mentions the much lower numbers of Jews killed? Or the disabled, Homosexuals and Russians?
Better media access.
I am not one to believe that all Jews are bad, like all Christians, Buddhists and Hindus.
But if you create a strong enough narrative people associate with it.
How many people now speak Elvish or Klingon?
I believe Hitler exterminated about 20 million in the camps. About 6-7 million were Jewish. Those are the only ones ever mentioned. I am wondering why.
Not correct. The total number of Jews killed were about six million, of whom about 2.7 million were killed at the extermination camps – the rest were killed in various mass shootings and other wisely dispersed acts. Others murdered include 3.3 million Soviet prisoners of war and 1.8 million non-Jewish Poles. All other murders combined are estimated at between 867 thousand to 1.17 million.
Lots of inverting cause and effect there, bud. Supporters of Israel decry “arab” hatred while ignoring the zionist demand for a Jewish state in a majority Muslim land. That demand and the subsequent expulsions created the resentment that you call hatred.
The black South Africans were far and away the wealthiest Africans in the whole continent under white rule – now corruption and incompetence under black rule is destroying the country – but Political Correctness is everything to the nihilistic left-wing…
If Palestinians wanted to go home to “the Palestinian Territories” (there has never been a “Palestine”) they could go and live in Jordan, half of Syria or part of Lebanon, but they focus exclusively on Israel because that’s where the Jews live. This is a Jew-hatred issue – Hamas unambiguously acknowledged this in their 1988 Covenant
If there’s never been a Palestine, PCGS and NGC both have some explaining to do for grading my coins from Palestine as authentic and giving them grades.
Lebanon’s economy is struggling, so why would the Lebanese want to put further strains on their economy by taking in hundreds of thousands of war refugees? Get used to the idea of seeing a LOT more Palestinians in Australia and paying for their medical care, education, housing, food, etc. You’re going to get what you wanted. And it’s what Netanyahu wanted the whole time he sponsored Hamas.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Those coins were minted by the British Government when they administered the British Palestinian Mandate Territories. The name simply reflected the name of the territory under the mandate, not statehood.
If the Palestinians are attached to their traditional homelands, Jordan, Syria or Lebanon should have appeal to them – but this is just a Jew-hatred issue, so it’s all about Israel….
Winning the war of international opinion does not influence what Israel does. Hamas started this war, and has been attacking Israel since they came to power 20 years ago. In war, the losing side surrenders, disarms and stops fighting as they sue for peace. That has not happened in Gaza. Hamas and others continue to fight. Netanyahu wants to end any remnant of Hamas or hardcore anti-Israel attacks by Palestinians. People from Gaza, not just Hamas, entered Israel, took hostages, and killed over 1200 Israeli citizens. If Mexico invaded Texas and killed 1200 Americans, what do you think America’s response would be? Hamas is made up of Gazans and they had tens of thousands of members. I don’t know how many have been eliminated by the IDF but Netanyahu intends to fully erase any notion of attacks on Israelis including rocket attacks and murders of Israelis. If it means every school, hospital, apartment building in Gaza has to be leveled, he will do it. Sometimes there is no good solution to a problem. There will be no Palestinian state because then Palestinians would have the right to bring weapons into their new state, and would almost certainly attack Israel with even more accurate rockets, artillery, drones, you name it. Arab Muslims have been attacking Jews in Israel for almost 80 years. There have been a number of wars and the Arabs have lost every single time…some Muslim countries have signed peace agreements with Israel…and some have not. Remember what America did to Japan after Pearl Harbor….millions of Japanese civilians died in fire bombings of cities in Japan. Nobody called that genocide in 1944. It was “war” and it was being carried out because of Japan’s lethal attack on Pearl Harbor when they killed thousands of Americans and sank many ships. Japan paid the price for it’s attack on America. Japan was getting crushed by 1944 but the Japanese military persisted and did not sue for peace. So millions more died. Even after the first atom bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan did not surrender, so we dropped another atom bomb on a Japanese city. Then the Japanese agreed to disarm and surrender. We occupied Japan after the surrender and we still have troops in Japan, as well as military bases there.
Why was Israel funding Hamas before October 7?
Because they were playing them off against the PLO, looking at them as the lesser of two evils.
Politicians do this all the time. Recall how the US/CIA backed the Taliban against Russia in Afghanistan? That didn’t turn out well, did it?
The Taliban didn’t exist until 1994, a half decade after the war ended. And it wasn’t just a war with Russia. The Ukrainian Brezhnev did his best impression of an American president by starting a war his soldiers couldn’t finish.
Yes, I meant Al-Qaeda.
It’s hard to keep track of all the terrorists running amok in modern life!
It was neither the Taliban nor Al-_Qaeda but the mujahideen in the early 1980s that the US gave stingers and other weapons to. And jihadist terror groups form, reform, merge, split and fight each other. Blowbacks a bitch and it will strike again with the US backing the whackos in Damascus.
What is the name of that IDF intelligence unit that posts on every social media site to control the narrative?
You have to know it right?
Bullshit. Israel killed their own people on Oct.7 as a pretext to escalate the ethnic cleansing that has been going on since 1948. Fuck Israel, free Palestine!
And we have a winner. It wasn’t Israel it was a part of the IDF. Those helicopter videos which were verified by Haaretz with the pilots asking who they should fire on and told everyone.
My favorite is they now shoot Palestinian male youth in the groin.
Must have been the same people who trained the Ruby Ridge FBI sniper.
“Hamas started this war, “
I stopped reading there. Sorry, but this started in 1948. No colonialization of Palestine would have meant no Hamas. And think about the Gaza situation for a moment. It’s an open-air prison for 2 million people whose crime is not being of the chosen race. Of course 1 or 2 or 3% of them are going to get violent, what do you expect? If you, yes you Jeff, would be put in a prison with your whole family (or what’s left of it), what would you do? Sit in a corner crying? Collaborate with the guards? Enlighten us.
Gaza was not a prison. I’ve been there, crossed the border at Rafah with a Palestinian friend who needed some documents from Tel Aviv and I was with him as I could get those documents. Stayed with his family in Jabaliya refugee camp and then went back to Cairo.
So if it was a prison then how did we cross at Rafah?
Do any prisons have 2 countries on the prison walls?
Do any prisons have visitors staying a few days? Or stroll the beach? Coffee shops? restaurants?
That was back when Fatah was in charge, it wasn’t perfect but it was no worse than some of the slums in Cairo that I’ve been to.Now I wouldn’t go back there as Hamas has made it too dangerous for anyone and hopefully Israel will root out the cancer that is Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
The people of Gaza, starry-eyed useful idiots that they are, voted FOR Hamas. They also partook of all the free aid trucked into Gaza daily, KNEW that Hamas was building terror tunnels under schools, hospitals and apartments, KNEW where the mobile rocket launches were, KNEW who the Hamas operatives were , KNEW where the ammo and rockets were stored, etc.
Now they are paying the cost of that choice. There are no innocents in Gaza!
What is the name of the IDF project Mockingbird type unit that posts on every social media site.
You know right?
They get continually called out on Zero Hedge.
Probably a minority of innocents. My friends family was in Fatah, his older brother was a senior officer who had previously in exile in Tripoli. Fatah members have not fared well under Hamas rule so I doubt they voted for or support what evil Hamas has done.
Some percentage might be considered “innocent” solely because they are apolitical and go about living their lives regardless of what goes on around them.
We have many in this camp here but then they feign surprise when politicians do things that they disagree with.
So what is the Israel or the IDF supposed to do with these people? Ask, “those who didn’t support Hamas shooting rockets into Israel everyday for 20 years and all the other items I listed above, stand over there”???
Then there’s this recent article:
It’s simple. War by Israel cannot and will not stop because Netanyahu may go to prison. His survival depends on war – to fend off the courts. This is similar to Zelensky – who must keep war going because otherwise, he’s a dead man walking.
The interesting possibility here is that Netanyahu may be forced to attack Iran again and that could cause disaster, even up to the collapse of Israel. Mahmoud OD had a realistic analysis as to how this could happen
It’s interesting you mentioned Natanyahu and Zelensky in the same post because Iran is a thorn in both sides. Russia and Hamas/Hezbollah get weapons from Iran. There is a mutual benefit for Israel and Ukraine to team up and attack Iran.
Ukraine attacking Iran… hilarious. I guess they could launch press-gained conscripts with trebuchets. Couldn’t make it past Snake Island, though. Maybe the Ghost of Kiev could strafe Qom.
Stop it! Netanyahu has as much chance of going to prison as Trump does and that is close to zero.
The fall from a high pedestal built on a pillow of hot air can be interesting to watch…
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Meanwhile, Bibi’s closet case fighting-aged son is still enjoying life on Miami Beach while less privileged Israeli men and even women have lost life and limb in combat.
Probably being supplied underage Russian girls through the Putin ~ Trump sex trafficking alliance?
The strip clubs in Palm Beach near Trumps settlement are full of extremely young strippers. At least they were years ago when I lived in that shithole of a state.
Fortunately the hurricanes will eventually leave it like Gaza…
The war on Gaza started with propaganda videos of pinpoint precision strikes that targeted just individual buildings.
Now, 90% of all structures in Gaza have been leveled and Israel is corralling all the Gazans to the extreme southern portion of Gaza until it comes up with a ‘final solution’.
People are still denying or defending what’s going on: genocide, which is defined as “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”
To put it in perspective, 0.35% of the fatalities in Ukraine are children. In Gaza, 31% of the deaths are children.
The Hamas Health Agency claims something like 60k have died in this almost 2 year war. That is a very small number! And half of that number, assuming it to be in the ballpark, are thought to be Hamas fighters, so maybe 30k are civilians.
Far more Ukrainians have died from Russian attacks but we hear next to nothing about their numbers. WHY NOT?
Recently, I read that 55k woman in Gaza are actually pregnant in the middle of a war zone, where they claim low availability of food, clear water and no medical care. You would have to be very dumb to get pregnant in such circumstances.
But be that as it may, if this number s remotely correct, then the people who died according to Hamas are almost already replaced!
Birth rates rise in the worst places. More death leads to more births.
I know… 1200 is a very large number, unbelievably large. But 60,000 is a very small number, nearly insignificant.
In Ukraine no children are in the fighting. In Hamas over half its force is under the age of 18.
Yeah, the 876 Palestinians under the age of 1 that were killed by Judeonazi stormtroopers were Hamas fighters, just like the US military reported that 128 killed in My Lai, South Vietnam, including babies, were Viet Cong when the Judeo-Christian soldiers were taking the time to rape little South Vietnamese kids and took a lunch break during the massacre.
Since Oct 7 there have been over 200,000 who were or are under 1. So an alleged 876 of them being killed is a piss poor attempt at genocide.
Children suffer the the “sins of the fathers” according to the bible, which is why parents should be very cognizant of the decisions they make.
It’s a holocaust.
It’s worse than the original Holocaust because 25% of the victims of the German Nazis were children. 31% of the victims of the Judeo Nazis in the Holocaust 2.0 are children.
You should have capitalized the word “intent” because it is critical to proving any charge of genocide. LEGALLY, it will be near impossible to show that there has been any OFFICIAL Israel government position that proves such “intent”.
Anyone’s personal viewpoint of what is or is not genocidal is of no matter legally.
I’ll also point you to this article.:
You saw what they permitted you to see, Mr self appointed conflict expert. just like the nazis permitted the Red Cross to certain concentration camps. Wake up, you cannot be this naive !!!
Almost no one wants to end the war without a release of all hostages. Hamas has said they will not do this. So, the war continues in order to pressure Hamas to make a deal.
I believe that Hamas wishes to continue. They are winning the public opinion war internationally.
The blood of every dead Israeli and Palestinian alike is on the hands of Netanyahu. He’s the one that sponsored Hamas for decades. http://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
There were originally 250 odd hostages. There are now 21 or so suspected of still remaining alive.
Holding the hostages is the main weapon Hamas has left. It needs to be taken away from them. The only way to do that is to consider the hostages sacrificed for the greater good of Israel.
It is truly amazing how many people will put the lives of their loved ones ahead of the more pragmatic concern for the future security of their country.
These people should take to heart the famous statement by JFK:
“Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”
Those who demand that Netanyahu’s first priority is to retrieve the hostages are effectively saying, ‘We don’t give a damn about Hamas. Let them attack again and kill more Israelis. Let them shoot rockets into our country daily. WE DON’T CARE! We just want our loved(s) home. Screw everything and everyone else.’
This is nothing but pure selfishness!
Hamas must be subdued for Israel to have any chance at better security in the future, even if it results in the loss of all the hostages that Hamas holds. It’s unfortunate that Netanyahu refuses to stand up and state this.
The Israelis don’t care about the hostages. They care only about seizing the land and leaching off of Americans. http://www.x.com/Bushra1Shaikh/status/1950612345845072173
Dude, 99% of people will chose self interest (ie loved ones) over altruism (greater good) every time. It’s the least surprising thing in the world they want their loved ones back over any concern for the country.
I’m just playing the part of the messenger, so I can rub their self-interested noses in the dog crap.
Really? How would anyone know how many hostages were taken? How would anyone believe that if Israel wanted the hostages, they would not gone in with precision operations and gotten them back. The “hostages” appear to be a pretense for indiscriminate killing of Palestinians and, the take over of Gaza.
The entire October 7th incident appears to be a “False Flag” military operation to bring support for Israels genocide.
There is nothing any of us can do about it. These religions have been fighting for centuries and eventually one will kill the other off ~ then splinter into competing factions and it will all start over.
Tax religion just like any other business!